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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus
Edited by: Lythius Arcturnus on 07/05/2005 06:23:24
To the original poster...
Anytime you have a game as open as this, the cornholes of the world will flock to it like a moth to a flame just because they can do anything in it. This is why your seeing more and more mainstream MMO's so structured.
CCP's next game will follow along just like the rest, and impose order on the players simply because 1 ignorant griefer can cost a company 100's of customers if left unchecked. So if they want to make any money they really have no choice. It really is a shame that large groups of players left to their own devices can't seem to do any better.
Its a fact that I learned A LONG time ago. There are MANY players out there, that if they could, would do everything in their power to completely destroy a game and make a company go broke.
There are players who would play night and day destroying player after player making everyone quit only so they could say "OMG im SOOOO l337 I made the game go under" to their high school buddies.
Frankly this explains Eve's state. Its a BEAUTIFUL game, has great game mechanics for the most part, a GREAT storyline, and very talented people designing it. The only problem is that it gives too much power to the retards.
This is why Eve is a 50k subscriber game and will never really make much money. Sure, they'll pay the bills, and make a lil extra for the investors, but it will never be huge. Although I truly believe it could have been if they kept the game a bit more structured.
I really think CCP's next game will be phenomenol because they have already learned that this wonderful idea of "open ended MMO" just doesn't work as well in practice as it does on paper.
And why doesnt it work? Eve has has a very stable player base for a long time now. Its just not realistic for eve to have as many subscribers as WoW for example. Remember, there is only 1 server.
And the fact that eve does not have built in protection for idiots is a good thing. It actually requires me to think, plan and adapt before making decisions and doing stuff. Structure is what makes other MMOs very unappealing. Its like playing some arcade or single person game....totally boring.
And mind you i never griefed any noobs or went on killing sprees to boost my killboard score...I moved to 0.0 before i had a million sps (about month of playing) and never looked back. The whole time there i never let anybody grief me and just adapted to everchanging environment. The game has plenty of tools for that. The player created content and drama that happens in 0.0 is what makes this game great.
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Lythius Arcturnus
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:46:00 -
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And the fact that eve does not have built in protection for idiots is a good thing. It actually requires me to think, plan and adapt before making decisions and doing stuff. Structure is what makes other MMOs very unappealing. Its like playing some arcade or single person game....totally boring.
Thats why Eve isn't very successful. Most people who pay to play a game want to have fun, not do all the boring things you just stated.
I feel ya man. I know you like Eve, I do too. Im just saying, anytime you give people an online environment where they can cause trouble without repercussion, they will.
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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.05.07 07:08:00 -
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ummm those things are exactly what makes this game fun for me and many other people.
If you dont like that, there is always games like WoW with no penalty for screwing up.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.05.07 07:31:00 -
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this is why im not supporting the ideas about a official killboard,
im sure 90% of the ones killing everyone at the gates is a member of one of the various unofficial killboards out there,
im suspecting that is the trend for the moment, people are to addicted to their killboard stats and getting more kills overweights getting fun clean fights,
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Genevieve Blue
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:06:00 -
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I think my disappointment comes from the fact that just killing in 0.0 for killings sake wastes so much more of EVE.
Did it matter than it was Serpentis and that it had been stolen from the Gallente? No. Did it matter that half the population of Gallente would have, as a result, been interested? No.
Just another gate ganking. Next time ignore the news articles and the RP and tell it like it is.
'OMG Frag Da Titan L33T night' or whatever, you're wasting our time and intelligence dressing it up if it's only going to be an event for gategamping and killing interested parties.
So much depth to EVE wasted and this event shows it at it's worst.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:31:00 -
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I didn't participate in the Titan fest last night, but having read the forums this morning it has pretty much confirmed what I thought about the event, and hence why I didn't bother.
Loads of people in the game, regardless of them being a 100kSP n00b or a 30mSP legend, wanted to participate in last nights birthday event. Hell, some people made it more interesting by 'surprising' those on their way to fight the titan, and kept 0.0 as lawless as it is.
My problem is though, that CCP didn't make this event accessible to everyone in the game, like they did with the exploding jovian last year. It was effectively limited to those who could find the 4 hours necessary to travel down to 0.0 and get involved in a decent fight, pay the immense amount of ISK for replacement ships and clones, and safely traverse through 0.0 and alliances with a KOS policy.
To be honest, I don't feel like I've missed much. Doing this event in Yulai (RP aside) would have been much better. Though it probably would have crashed the server when 1000 pilots turned up.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:34:00 -
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5, who are RPing, are escorting a PIRATE titan through 0.0, and killing anything that could be a threat. We traveled many jumps through unfamiliar 0.0 manuevering against a hostile fleet which was 5x bigger than us, and eventually we suicided that massive enemy fleet to protect the titan.
Explain to me how that = gate ganking helpless noobs?
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Lythius Arcturnus
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:46:00 -
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I think my disappointment comes from the fact that just killing in 0.0 for killings sake wastes so much more of EVE.
Amen!
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:12:10
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:10:28
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:09:25
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:08:42
Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus
I try to stick to the facts Sobe and not attack people unless they attack me.
I'll have an intelligent and fair discussion with someone all day long. I'll respect their points even when I strongly disagree, and will continue to respect them even if I think every idea they have is rubbish. What I WON'T do though is listen to a bunch of self proclaimed know it alls who think they own the game and that their opinion is the only one that matters.
I admit when someone proves me wrong, and I even admit when someone makes a counterpoint to an arguement I have made that is intelligent and well thought out. My ideas and opinions aren't any better than anyone elses. Respect me and my opinions and discuss them like an adult and you'll get no problem with me. Start saying retarded, egotistical crap like "You suck, quit, your a whiner, shut up, im right your wrong, etc. etc.) and your doing nothing but bringing the discussion down to the level of monkies.
People will tend to find that when they make respectful arguements or disagreements that people WILL listen, and you actually might change some peoples minds. However, starting your thesis with "You suck because" or ending it with "Why don't you just quit" won't turn too many people to your way of thinking.
I gave you a perfectly legit response. You(and when I say you I mean all of the people crying in this thread)come in here flaming that they couldnt go 40 jumps into 0.0 in their alts noob ship to see the titan because better organized groups of people were killing them. Besides that fact, 5 and others were ESCORTING the titan through 0.0, and engaging and being engaged by multiple MASSIVE hostile fleets. Please note that none of the people who instead of making a noob alt actually got organized, formed fleets, and then decided to come fight and pvp in the event and lost ships are complaining about "griefing." But of course, you don't say anything about that, you simply cry because during a massive all our war in 0.0 to protect and attack the titan, you lost a noob ship. And then in your forum whines, you claim that its just "Atuk gate ganking and griefing."
This is why people tell you to leave the game. There is no gate ganking when you arent even camping a gate. There is no "griefing" when you are fighting outnumbered with 1:4 odds. People need to stop saying that whenever they lose a ship it was do to "teenage****got gate campers trying to show their e-peen" or whatever mindless carebear flames you have.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.05.07 09:06:00 -
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Was a blast, even though i died in the first wave... i went down fighting.
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Sirr Hammer
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Posted - 2005.05.07 09:24:00 -
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dam a loot of whining..ur all ben long eanouf time in the game to know that there is a role plaing facktor in it..and ass sutch iff u go for a 1bil facktion ship during a event. u just gota know there is risks.
many ppl whine about getting gankt whit out reason and that there is no reason for the noob frig ganks off ppl comming to kill the titan.sesoned pvpers know that a frig is anytime as deadly as any bs when it got suport.thats why they got gankt.on a nother note i dont think that ccp intendet to make it all the way to fountain.but they did whit the help of 5 and frinds ..
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:22:00 -
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Yup, we're nothing but sad gat-camping, noob bashing, forum ***** griefers:
[ 2005.05.06 22:29:05 ] Salvador Sarpati. > My saviors have arrived, show them nobody attacks the Serpentis without facing the consequences.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:43:00 -
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Thread cleaned.
Please refrain from any more trolling/flaming. Please respect the opinion of others, whether you agree with them or not, and argue constructively (and politely).
Just a gentle reminder: Polite is not "STFU n00bs", "Go leave the game" etc.
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Bastogne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:46:00 -
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A friend of mine wanted me to go with him to the event from Misneden. 26 jumps I think it was, I would have flown a kestrel I have fitted for running gates, so I probably would have made the event, but I knew that the whole thing would just be pirates camping gates & killing people attacking the titan. 26 jumps to see a few minutes of titan before I get popped & my clone spawned way back in Empire space just isn't worth the trip. So I logged & watched Ronin instead. I'm not ****ed about it, just a bit dissapointed. I'd like to think that for once pirates & mercs & miners can come together against a stronger foe like a rogue titan.
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Turiya Flesharrower
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:49:00 -
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They came to see the titan, to take part in an event, and you actually went out of your way to hurt people and leave them disappointed. I have no qualms with the people who sided with the Soltuer and defended it; that was the choice they made and it was one that involved a lot of risk on their part. It's the people who were sitting at the gates leading into the titan's location, killing interested neutrals, that should be ashamed of themselves.
People try to get through to see the biggest story event in god knows how long and you actually sat at a gate 10 jumps away just to get a chance to disappoint them. THAT'S griefing in its worst form. There's nothing to be gained from killing an ibis but you did it anyway. You even left the actual event just so that you could do it. That's sick.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:06:00 -
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No trolling and no flaming, if people can't understand that it means they will receive a time out.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:16:00 -
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Guys I got down 3 times to the theatre of war, I was there early and KOS to every single person 5, G, FA, IMP...
I got down and talked to the events guys, fought the escorts...
All you needed was a bit of common sense, instas if you had them or else scanning the gates/warping in at 60. I admit its sad that people were killing others just trying to see but well its 0.0...
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Manny Tanato
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:44:00 -
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And CCP was wondering why most people avoided low sec space.... Hmnnn.... Me thinks CCP is not that smart afterall. It's basic human nature. You give human beings anonymity and a sandbox with no restrictions, and they WILL DO THEIR WORST!
I know this for a fact, therefore I avoid low sec. I like to hang around in empire exactly because I hate having to fend off idiot PvP types who assume that everyone they see is there for their gankage satisfaction.
Call me a carebear? *shrug* Fine! I'll be the first to admit that I am. I pay money to play this game so I can have fun and relax, not so I get hunted everywhere I go.
This event brought out the worst in EVE IMO. Now CCP knows why this will always be limited to a 50K subscriber game.
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Manny Tanato
Call me a carebear?
This event was clearly designed for those who are not "carebears".
0.0 Space, Titan shooting and killing anything that locks onto it, the 1.2 bill bounty for killing it.
Sorry to say it but for the people who have mining lasers fitted more often than turrets and launchers, yesterday was not for you.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:54:00 -
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I didnt see any gate camps, and I know several people who died multiple times and kept coming back and making it through fine, so this sounds like another case of "omg someone died so that must mean there are gatecamping teenage griefers on every gate."
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/05/2005 15:04:08
Well, I took this excellent opportunity that left nearly all of the entrances to core fountain and outer ring terrotories unguarded to sneak in two alts of mine set up to harass and gank FA and IMP miners.
I'm glad CCP took this thing into 0.0 instead of keeping it in empire where the lag would have been less, participation possible for everyone, and where things would have not turned into a free for all. After all, it's just a birthday event, not something unique like putting some kind of never before seen ship in the middle of the population for all to gawk and shoot at.
Crowley, you should not be blaming the players that shot you. Sure they used the situation to their advantage (I imagine it was rich pickings for the normally challenged pirates in the Placid empire border zone). Apart from sending one character of mine to the serpentis coil to look around a bit just after downtime I didn't have time to participate in this, but I know that alot of people choose not to, denying them the right to carry on as usual is not your decision.
However, as my peice of sarcasm above implies, CCP could ahve instead taken this story elsewhere, where the massacre would not have included many victims of piracy and trigger happy local residents, just the victims of the serpentis force.
If you are to scream at anyone about this event being poor form, then it's the titan pilot and event organisers, not the people that participated or used the situation created by the event.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:02:00 -
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Btw, I missed the end of it.
Did it get killed and if so who got the mail ?
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:08:00 -
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Our escort was 100% succesful.
The Shadow Serpentis still have a titan in their possesion.
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Grosvenor Corama
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Btw, I missed the end of it.
Did it get killed and if so who got the mail ?
It survived.
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Stevo
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:18:00 -
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Ive never seen so many cry babies in my life.... OMG I lost my ship and got podded, yea there are consequences for going out to claimed 0.0 space - cry me a ****in river...
I myself lost my ship and was podded, it really doesnt matter **** happens get over it...
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:19:00 -
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What I'm loving about this is that no one seems to be taking the current Presidential Elections into consideration. Who is to say exactly why the MC showed up to assist the Serpentis? Hmmm??? 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
What I'm loving about this is that no one seems to be taking the current Presidential Elections into consideration. Who is to say exactly why the MC showed up to assist the Serpentis? Hmmm???
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Trepkos
Shut up n00b we own teh 0.0 if you cant fights out there we gank you, we lovee EVE-Killss!!!! we are uber ther...!!1
U should nt go to 0.0 if cant handle it noob!11, we are ownibng you guys big timwe! 
Check out my stats on eve-kills!!! woot wooot I rock you!
Sorry, I wanted to roleplay some of the people you described for a bit.
Well Gold-dust,, and who in the worl are u guys? lol,,,, if u scream noob that much u prolly have some real problem.
To u that died, 0.0 is 0.0 make sure u have good friends, and defently a good fighter or u prolly get poded.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2005 15:33:17
Yupp, I can confirm that the MC was hired (like we always are) by a generous giver to make sure that certain targets were disposed of. BDCI is happy with the rewards that are astronomical when compared to the losses.
Too bad SPC rats are still that, rats.. They couldn't forgive me shooting them up a bit in FA back in the day so they decided to light up my mighty Apocalypse. Enough compensation was given, so let's see if the next Apoc lasts 12+ months as well :)
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Kalened
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Posted - 2005.05.07 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: anister
Our escort was 100% succesful.
The Shadow Serpentis still have a titan in their possesion.
Well it wasnt so much your escort as the sniper ships the devs ended up setting up. Personally i find that the CCP devs didnt play fair and probably owe alot of people some reimbursements. I do applaud your escorts though as it did break up the monotany of shooting a mobile station for hours. The fleet battles were fun and i hope the devs that were there took note of and were just as frustrated by the 15 second module activation times. In the end it was clear that CCP was not playing in good faith and all along it was their intention that the titan get to serpentis prime. I know alot of people that have petitioned to get their ships back. I myself thought it was fun but i also thought they'd let us kill it..apparently they had other designs.
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