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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.05.07 01:53:00 -
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I am yet again dissapointed in the behavior of people in this game.
First time some real content has came to this game in FOREVER and it seemed to be nothing more then a sick frag fest.
Myself was pod killed three times attempting to participate in this event. One of the pirates that got me discouraged me of going back out there by telling me that "It doesnt matter, the titan is into structure already so you wouldnt have made anyway" A hour later I find out the titan is only at fifty percent shields.
My last trip out I made it ten jumps before getting whacked agian. No less then 10 corpse at each gate I went by. I personally witnessed four guys get thier ships ganked on that trip.
Corporations ambushing people fighting the titan, gate camps to get out there to see/fight the titan.
Absolutely dispicable.
Even some of the people I consider griefers by thier posts on the forums called for a cease fire out there to it.
Not even when there is a uber target do some people go fight it, rather they sit around and gank frigats, shuttles, and crusers. Definatly cannot say that it is more fun to gank noobs, after this is the first titan fight to hit this server, and it was a incredable fight to kill it.
I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it. |
Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:01:00 -
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Sounds like good fun to me  , sucks that I'm out of town.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:02:00 -
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Possible replies:
[] They were roleplaying your enemies. What do you expect from you enemies?
[] Its 0.0, stfu carebear.
[] You're a spy alt, KOS.
[] Why don't you get friends to break the gate camp? You don't have friends? Go solo grind level 4 and see if there's a titan guarding the damsel.
I said what i thought today. I think you're somewhat right. However many stereotypes are against you and that isn't going to make you only friends here. I fear another flamewar.
Sincerly yours, The naughty boy.
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Dark Avatar
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:04:00 -
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Ooops. Im very sorry to hear that you lost your ship 3 times. But hey! CCP Pay you good insurance and you get a brand new ship loaded with a unit of trit!
Just remember theres a bright side to every dark one
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qapchure
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Trepkos
Shut up n00b we own teh 0.0 if you cant fights out there we gank you, we lovee EVE-Killss!!!! we are uber ther...!!1
U should nt go to 0.0 if cant handle it noob!11, we are ownibng you guys big timwe! 
Check out my stats on eve-kills!!! woot wooot I rock you!
Sorry, I wanted to roleplay some of the people you described for a bit.
im not like that :) In fact, the majority of PVP persons in 0.0 are not like that atleast not to my experience.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: qapchure
Originally by: Trepkos
Shut up n00b we own teh 0.0 if you cant fights out there we gank you, we lovee EVE-Killss!!!! we are uber ther...!!1
U should nt go to 0.0 if cant handle it noob!11, we are ownibng you guys big timwe!
Check out my stats on eve-kills!!! woot wooot I rock you!
Sorry, I wanted to roleplay some of the people you described for a bit.
im not like that :) In fact, the majority of PVP persons in 0.0 are not like that atleast not to my experience.
I fight in 0.0 aswell and Im not like that but I like to stereotype what the poster was describing in his message.
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What can I lose? My dignity...every single inch of it.
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gift on 07/05/2005 02:09:31
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Myself was pod killed three times attempting to participate in this event.
good, no one has earned it more than you
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:09:00 -
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I am not complaining about the loss of my ships, nore the loss of clones.
Ships and clones are only ISK.
However the first titan to hit the server, well that is another story.
A epic battle lasting for hours, that has never happond before, and probably will never happon agian. That is a different story.
ships 10k-180m
Clones 10k-6m
A titan stolen by serpintise with over 100 ships killing it Priceless
I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it. |
Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 07/05/2005 02:09:31
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Myself was pod killed three times attempting to participate in this event.
good, no one has earned it more than you
Care to clarify?
Or is this a totally unintelligent post looking to be supported by people that really matter in a attempt to gain some kind notoriety from the real Pie Rats out there that you idolize?
I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it. |
Selim
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:12:00 -
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It was pretty stupid in my opinion. There is really no point to shooting some frigs and shuttles, except getting killmails and increasing epeen length. It IS griefing, and it makes me sick.
Before anyone replies, note that I'm by no means a carebear, I only think that people who kill for no reason other than for killmails are pathetic.
I think the worst part was people getting killed where the titan was. A bunch of people just camped the titan's location and moved with it, and shot everyone that came (including the titan itself, they werent 'defending it'.)
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:13:00 -
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Gotta love EVE.
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What can I lose? My dignity...every single inch of it.
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
It was pretty stupid in my opinion. There is really no point to shooting some frigs and shuttles, except getting killmails and increasing epeen length. It IS griefing, and it makes me sick.
Before anyone replies, note that I'm by no means a carebear, I only think that people who kill for no reason other than for killmails are pathetic.
I think the worst part was people getting killed where the titan was. A bunch of people just camped the titan's location and moved with it, and shot everyone that came (including the titan itself, they werent 'defending it'.)
Word.
Sincerly yours, The naughty boy.
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Zame
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:16:00 -
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Don't think anything needs clarifying Crowley, CCP launch something into EvE that for the first time is BIG!
WoW shocker that the arse licking Fan boys of FA get it not only on there door steps but inside their own home.
When will the EvE community wake up and realise that FA is the Devs Play ground?? Think i'm fibbing? think i'm making it up? Think im anut?
Well you do the math. Conspiricy theorists are welcome. I have seen enouhg ****e from this game to realise that if anythings good FA will be the first to get it.....
Good Day god Bless and I hope FA gets sucked so far up CCP arse we dont ever see them again.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:32:00 -
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You sound mad...
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What can I lose? My dignity...every single inch of it.
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Cabal Leader
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
It was pretty stupid in my opinion. There is really no point to shooting some frigs and shuttles, except getting killmails and increasing epeen length. It IS griefing, and it makes me sick.
Before anyone replies, note that I'm by no means a carebear, I only think that people who kill for no reason other than for killmails are pathetic.
I think the worst part was people getting killed where the titan was. A bunch of people just camped the titan's location and moved with it, and shot everyone that came (including the titan itself, they werent 'defending it'.)
What did you expect?
We are talking about Atuk and Shinra here.
They only know how to gank.
The Only decent player left in Shinra is Hast.
At least he tried fighting the ship and even lost his battlehsip trying.
Bet all their uber kills have been posted on Eve-Kill.com
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Crowley
However the first titan to hit the server, well that is another story.
A epic battle lasting for hours, that has never happond before, and probably will never happon agian. That is a different story.
Not true at all, theres been several events with pirate titans in the past and there certainly will be in the future.
And for the record - it didn't go down. Nobody got anything out of it but a bunch of insurance money for their lost ships.
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Resnik
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:45:00 -
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Event finished, with docked Titan and guy sayed on local:
Salvador Sarpati. > [OOC] That's it for the Gallente-Serpentis BDay event everyone, I hope you had fun, I know I sure did. Good night.
im disapointed 5am here...
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.05.07 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Trepkos on 07/05/2005 02:53:32
Originally by: Cabal Leader
Bet all their uber kills have been posted on Eve-Kill.com
I second that bet lol.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.05.07 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Corvus Dove on 07/05/2005 03:29:57
Originally by: Mr Crowley
I am yet again dissapointed in the behavior of people in this game.
First time some real content has came to this game in FOREVER and it seemed to be nothing more then a sick frag fest.
Myself was pod killed three times attempting to participate in this event. One of the pirates that got me discouraged me of going back out there by telling me that "It doesnt matter, the titan is into structure already so you wouldnt have made anyway" A hour later I find out the titan is only at fifty percent shields.
My last trip out I made it ten jumps before getting whacked agian. No less then 10 corpse at each gate I went by. I personally witnessed four guys get thier ships ganked on that trip.
Corporations ambushing people fighting the titan, gate camps to get out there to see/fight the titan.
Absolutely dispicable.
Even some of the people I consider griefers by thier posts on the forums called for a cease fire out there to it.
Not even when there is a uber target do some people go fight it, rather they sit around and gank frigats, shuttles, and crusers. Definatly cannot say that it is more fun to gank noobs, after this is the first titan fight to hit this server, and it was a incredable fight to kill it.
OHNOES!
It's so nice to be remembered.
Sadly, this event occurred while I was at work. Very sad indeed, I'd love to have seen it, and to have killed you if I saw you on the way, because I do also remember you as a forum douchebag.
roleplaying means both sides. Most people who play like to be evil. Deal with it.
I'll send you all my stuff if you successfully convince the members of FoE that they also need to come to the light and get them to leave EVE because they're "immature". You only get the stuff if you get podkilled less than 5 times in the attempt.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.07 03:33:00 -
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Yeah it sounds like a suckage event.
Nice one CCP, run the event thru gank central.
Congrats
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.05.07 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Crowley
Originally by: Gift
Edited by: Gift on 07/05/2005 02:09:31
Originally by: Mr Crowley
Myself was pod killed three times attempting to participate in this event.
good, no one has earned it more than you
Care to clarify?
Or is this a totally unintelligent post looking to be supported by people that really matter in a attempt to gain some kind notoriety from the real Pie Rats out there that you idolize?
exactly 
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Fabster
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Posted - 2005.05.07 03:44:00 -
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Well since I'm the evil pirate who told you that the titan was into structure. At that moment I did got the intel that it was into structure, but seemly the titan recovered or something (or my intel was just badą.)
Second I belonged to the group protecting it and thus eliminating every possible danger.
But donĘt worry for the people who didnĘt have seen the titan. because in a half year everybody in empire will have one.
And for your information I to lost my ship when defending the titan in JKJ-VJ. Hope it will make you feel better.
Tip. Next time donĘt fly with out instaĘs or alone. This will decrease the chances of getting ganked.
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Nyk0n
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Posted - 2005.05.07 03:44:00 -
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Now Now people.....
Did you honestly expect anything else from ATUCK and SHINRA?
Im sure they will be along in force shourtly to flame the thread to, dont moan about them or it will make them think they are more important than they already do.
Rumour has it that they "allied" with the titan in a evil plot to gain a jump drive, as certain members of said corps are system bound due to there heads being unable to fit thru gates
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.05.07 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Eyeshadow on 07/05/2005 03:49:12
guys, that was like the best fun ever. Constant fleet fights, tactical maneuveurs etc. It started as a bit of a gank fest but once the sides were chosen it ran great.
Props to atuk/shinra and the other guys that flew with us MCers. Was great to fly with you guys :)
as for nothing given out? there certainly was but it isnt my place to say what, in sure it will be found out sooner or later.
Most fun ive had in EVE for a long time. Good event, well ran. As for the griefing, well its 0.0, people get shot for being neutral. Tip: pick a side and stick to it
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Fabster
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Posted - 2005.05.07 04:08:00 -
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Even a noob ship can be used in pvp. So why not your probe?
You could tackle, scout or be a little damage dealer.
Damage dealer? Well remember eve-radio noob army? They even took I think bs out with only using noobships.
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2005.05.07 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Doppleganger on 07/05/2005 04:31:38
Originally by: Mr Crowley
However the first titan to hit the server, well that is another story.
A epic battle lasting for hours, that has never happond before, and probably will never happon agian. That is a different story.
ships 10k-180m
Clones 10k-6m
A titan stolen by serpintise with over 100 ships killing it Priceless
As someone posted before me this is not even the 1st Titan to be seen on the server actually its far from it..... Devs have been seen flying them before {that is how there are pics of all the different titans on the website}
As for going into 0.0? its not going to be safe .... thats where I would expect to see a titan in the 1st place.
{edit: typos}
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stats
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Posted - 2005.05.07 04:31:00 -
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A small fleet made up of 5 and MC successfully escorted a damaged Soletuer titan, taken by there freinds in SPC, through hostile territory and guarded it against an extremely large, powerfull and formidable fleet. risking theyre ships and theyre clones.
That was the event. gg
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prsr
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: prsr on 07/05/2005 06:04:23
Originally by: stats
A small fleet made up of 5 and MC successfully escorted a damaged Soletuer titan, taken by there freinds in SPC, through hostile territory and guarded it against an extremely large, powerfull and formidable fleet. risking theyre ships and theyre clones.
That was the event. gg
Let's not forget the help your small fleet had from 7 sniping vindicators from hell. The ones that don't bother with a camped gate on their route, they just teleport into the system and come in with covert ops at 180km so they can start sniping bs's in 2 volleys all over again.
The whole event was fun and great to participate in right up until about that moment.
Other then that, most people had lots of fun, the battle in jkj-vj was nothing but spectacular. Much respect for the everyone who fought to keep that 40 million hitpoint Titan alive so it could reach it's destination. Same goes for everyone that tried to save face for the Gallente Federation and ended up fighting against the best that EVE has to offer in terms of both skill and high-end ships on the side of the event team.
The next time the Gallente Federation looses a Titan I hope they just call the Federation Navy and leave pod pilots to their business.
I'm not bitter :) Just disappointed.
Ooh, and my Ferox can tank a Titan. (well his FOF's at least)
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Kalened
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:13:00 -
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If you were disappointed you're on drugs. I had a blast. Yeah it was tackled in 0.0 so if you aren't in an 0.0 alliance you were out of luck but if you arent in an 0.0 alliance or corp then you're missing most of the game anyway.
5 did a great job defending the titan and harrassing noobs. You guys really spiced things up and hey you even gave me a quick trip back home when i was getting tired i think around your 3rd attack /chuckle.
I also think that 5 should have their security status set to -5 for helping the bad guys. There has to be reprecussions to your actions! At least -5 to Gallente space.
The lag wasnt that bad but 15/20 seconds to turn on a module is kinda ***. I wish CCP could figure out how to fix it. I had all effects off and it was still almost unplayable at times.
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Lythius Arcturnus
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lythius Arcturnus on 07/05/2005 06:23:24
To the original poster...
Anytime you have a game as open as this, the cornholes of the world will flock to it like a moth to a flame just because they can do anything in it. This is why your seeing more and more mainstream MMO's so structured.
CCP's next game will follow along just like the rest, and impose order on the players simply because 1 ignorant griefer can cost a company 100's of customers if left unchecked. So if they want to make any money they really have no choice. It really is a shame that large groups of players left to their own devices can't seem to do any better.
Its a fact that I learned A LONG time ago. There are MANY players out there, that if they could, would do everything in their power to completely destroy a game and make a company go broke.
There are players who would play night and day destroying player after player making everyone quit only so they could say "OMG im SOOOO l337 I made the game go under" to their high school buddies.
Frankly this explains Eve's state. Its a BEAUTIFUL game, has great game mechanics for the most part, a GREAT storyline, and very talented people designing it. The only problem is that it gives too much power to the retards.
This is why Eve is a 50k subscriber game and will never really make much money. Sure, they'll pay the bills, and make a lil extra for the investors, but it will never be huge. Although I truly believe it could have been if they kept the game a bit more structured.
I really think CCP's next game will be phenomenol because they have already learned that this wonderful idea of "open ended MMO" just doesn't work as well in practice as it does on paper.
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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus
Edited by: Lythius Arcturnus on 07/05/2005 06:23:24
To the original poster...
Anytime you have a game as open as this, the cornholes of the world will flock to it like a moth to a flame just because they can do anything in it. This is why your seeing more and more mainstream MMO's so structured.
CCP's next game will follow along just like the rest, and impose order on the players simply because 1 ignorant griefer can cost a company 100's of customers if left unchecked. So if they want to make any money they really have no choice. It really is a shame that large groups of players left to their own devices can't seem to do any better.
Its a fact that I learned A LONG time ago. There are MANY players out there, that if they could, would do everything in their power to completely destroy a game and make a company go broke.
There are players who would play night and day destroying player after player making everyone quit only so they could say "OMG im SOOOO l337 I made the game go under" to their high school buddies.
Frankly this explains Eve's state. Its a BEAUTIFUL game, has great game mechanics for the most part, a GREAT storyline, and very talented people designing it. The only problem is that it gives too much power to the retards.
This is why Eve is a 50k subscriber game and will never really make much money. Sure, they'll pay the bills, and make a lil extra for the investors, but it will never be huge. Although I truly believe it could have been if they kept the game a bit more structured.
I really think CCP's next game will be phenomenol because they have already learned that this wonderful idea of "open ended MMO" just doesn't work as well in practice as it does on paper.
And why doesnt it work? Eve has has a very stable player base for a long time now. Its just not realistic for eve to have as many subscribers as WoW for example. Remember, there is only 1 server.
And the fact that eve does not have built in protection for idiots is a good thing. It actually requires me to think, plan and adapt before making decisions and doing stuff. Structure is what makes other MMOs very unappealing. Its like playing some arcade or single person game....totally boring.
And mind you i never griefed any noobs or went on killing sprees to boost my killboard score...I moved to 0.0 before i had a million sps (about month of playing) and never looked back. The whole time there i never let anybody grief me and just adapted to everchanging environment. The game has plenty of tools for that. The player created content and drama that happens in 0.0 is what makes this game great.
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Lythius Arcturnus
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Posted - 2005.05.07 06:46:00 -
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Quote:
And the fact that eve does not have built in protection for idiots is a good thing. It actually requires me to think, plan and adapt before making decisions and doing stuff. Structure is what makes other MMOs very unappealing. Its like playing some arcade or single person game....totally boring.
Thats why Eve isn't very successful. Most people who pay to play a game want to have fun, not do all the boring things you just stated.
I feel ya man. I know you like Eve, I do too. Im just saying, anytime you give people an online environment where they can cause trouble without repercussion, they will.
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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.05.07 07:08:00 -
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ummm those things are exactly what makes this game fun for me and many other people.
If you dont like that, there is always games like WoW with no penalty for screwing up.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.05.07 07:31:00 -
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this is why im not supporting the ideas about a official killboard,
im sure 90% of the ones killing everyone at the gates is a member of one of the various unofficial killboards out there,
im suspecting that is the trend for the moment, people are to addicted to their killboard stats and getting more kills overweights getting fun clean fights,
EPIC Recruitment post
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Genevieve Blue
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:06:00 -
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I think my disappointment comes from the fact that just killing in 0.0 for killings sake wastes so much more of EVE.
Did it matter than it was Serpentis and that it had been stolen from the Gallente? No. Did it matter that half the population of Gallente would have, as a result, been interested? No.
Just another gate ganking. Next time ignore the news articles and the RP and tell it like it is.
'OMG Frag Da Titan L33T night' or whatever, you're wasting our time and intelligence dressing it up if it's only going to be an event for gategamping and killing interested parties.
So much depth to EVE wasted and this event shows it at it's worst.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:31:00 -
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I didn't participate in the Titan fest last night, but having read the forums this morning it has pretty much confirmed what I thought about the event, and hence why I didn't bother.
Loads of people in the game, regardless of them being a 100kSP n00b or a 30mSP legend, wanted to participate in last nights birthday event. Hell, some people made it more interesting by 'surprising' those on their way to fight the titan, and kept 0.0 as lawless as it is.
My problem is though, that CCP didn't make this event accessible to everyone in the game, like they did with the exploding jovian last year. It was effectively limited to those who could find the 4 hours necessary to travel down to 0.0 and get involved in a decent fight, pay the immense amount of ISK for replacement ships and clones, and safely traverse through 0.0 and alliances with a KOS policy.
To be honest, I don't feel like I've missed much. Doing this event in Yulai (RP aside) would have been much better. Though it probably would have crashed the server when 1000 pilots turned up.
ex P-TMC
If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:34:00 -
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5, who are RPing, are escorting a PIRATE titan through 0.0, and killing anything that could be a threat. We traveled many jumps through unfamiliar 0.0 manuevering against a hostile fleet which was 5x bigger than us, and eventually we suicided that massive enemy fleet to protect the titan.
Explain to me how that = gate ganking helpless noobs?
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Lythius Arcturnus
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Posted - 2005.05.07 08:46:00 -
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Quote:
I think my disappointment comes from the fact that just killing in 0.0 for killings sake wastes so much more of EVE.
Amen!
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:12:10
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:10:28
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:09:25
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 09:08:42
Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus
I try to stick to the facts Sobe and not attack people unless they attack me.
I'll have an intelligent and fair discussion with someone all day long. I'll respect their points even when I strongly disagree, and will continue to respect them even if I think every idea they have is rubbish. What I WON'T do though is listen to a bunch of self proclaimed know it alls who think they own the game and that their opinion is the only one that matters.
I admit when someone proves me wrong, and I even admit when someone makes a counterpoint to an arguement I have made that is intelligent and well thought out. My ideas and opinions aren't any better than anyone elses. Respect me and my opinions and discuss them like an adult and you'll get no problem with me. Start saying retarded, egotistical crap like "You suck, quit, your a whiner, shut up, im right your wrong, etc. etc.) and your doing nothing but bringing the discussion down to the level of monkies.
People will tend to find that when they make respectful arguements or disagreements that people WILL listen, and you actually might change some peoples minds. However, starting your thesis with "You suck because" or ending it with "Why don't you just quit" won't turn too many people to your way of thinking.
I gave you a perfectly legit response. You(and when I say you I mean all of the people crying in this thread)come in here flaming that they couldnt go 40 jumps into 0.0 in their alts noob ship to see the titan because better organized groups of people were killing them. Besides that fact, 5 and others were ESCORTING the titan through 0.0, and engaging and being engaged by multiple MASSIVE hostile fleets. Please note that none of the people who instead of making a noob alt actually got organized, formed fleets, and then decided to come fight and pvp in the event and lost ships are complaining about "griefing." But of course, you don't say anything about that, you simply cry because during a massive all our war in 0.0 to protect and attack the titan, you lost a noob ship. And then in your forum whines, you claim that its just "Atuk gate ganking and griefing."
This is why people tell you to leave the game. There is no gate ganking when you arent even camping a gate. There is no "griefing" when you are fighting outnumbered with 1:4 odds. People need to stop saying that whenever they lose a ship it was do to "teenage****got gate campers trying to show their e-peen" or whatever mindless carebear flames you have.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.05.07 09:06:00 -
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Was a blast, even though i died in the first wave... i went down fighting.
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Sirr Hammer
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Posted - 2005.05.07 09:24:00 -
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dam a loot of whining..ur all ben long eanouf time in the game to know that there is a role plaing facktor in it..and ass sutch iff u go for a 1bil facktion ship during a event. u just gota know there is risks.
many ppl whine about getting gankt whit out reason and that there is no reason for the noob frig ganks off ppl comming to kill the titan.sesoned pvpers know that a frig is anytime as deadly as any bs when it got suport.thats why they got gankt.on a nother note i dont think that ccp intendet to make it all the way to fountain.but they did whit the help of 5 and frinds ..
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:22:00 -
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Yup, we're nothing but sad gat-camping, noob bashing, forum ***** griefers:
[ 2005.05.06 22:29:05 ] Salvador Sarpati. > My saviors have arrived, show them nobody attacks the Serpentis without facing the consequences.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:43:00 -
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Thread cleaned.
Please refrain from any more trolling/flaming. Please respect the opinion of others, whether you agree with them or not, and argue constructively (and politely).
Just a gentle reminder: Polite is not "STFU n00bs", "Go leave the game" etc.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:46:00 -
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A friend of mine wanted me to go with him to the event from Misneden. 26 jumps I think it was, I would have flown a kestrel I have fitted for running gates, so I probably would have made the event, but I knew that the whole thing would just be pirates camping gates & killing people attacking the titan. 26 jumps to see a few minutes of titan before I get popped & my clone spawned way back in Empire space just isn't worth the trip. So I logged & watched Ronin instead. I'm not ****ed about it, just a bit dissapointed. I'd like to think that for once pirates & mercs & miners can come together against a stronger foe like a rogue titan.
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Turiya Flesharrower
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Posted - 2005.05.07 13:49:00 -
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They came to see the titan, to take part in an event, and you actually went out of your way to hurt people and leave them disappointed. I have no qualms with the people who sided with the Soltuer and defended it; that was the choice they made and it was one that involved a lot of risk on their part. It's the people who were sitting at the gates leading into the titan's location, killing interested neutrals, that should be ashamed of themselves.
People try to get through to see the biggest story event in god knows how long and you actually sat at a gate 10 jumps away just to get a chance to disappoint them. THAT'S griefing in its worst form. There's nothing to be gained from killing an ibis but you did it anyway. You even left the actual event just so that you could do it. That's sick.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:06:00 -
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:16:00 -
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Guys I got down 3 times to the theatre of war, I was there early and KOS to every single person 5, G, FA, IMP...
I got down and talked to the events guys, fought the escorts...
All you needed was a bit of common sense, instas if you had them or else scanning the gates/warping in at 60. I admit its sad that people were killing others just trying to see but well its 0.0...
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Manny Tanato
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:44:00 -
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And CCP was wondering why most people avoided low sec space.... Hmnnn.... Me thinks CCP is not that smart afterall. It's basic human nature. You give human beings anonymity and a sandbox with no restrictions, and they WILL DO THEIR WORST!
I know this for a fact, therefore I avoid low sec. I like to hang around in empire exactly because I hate having to fend off idiot PvP types who assume that everyone they see is there for their gankage satisfaction.
Call me a carebear? *shrug* Fine! I'll be the first to admit that I am. I pay money to play this game so I can have fun and relax, not so I get hunted everywhere I go.
This event brought out the worst in EVE IMO. Now CCP knows why this will always be limited to a 50K subscriber game.
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Manny Tanato
Call me a carebear?
This event was clearly designed for those who are not "carebears".
0.0 Space, Titan shooting and killing anything that locks onto it, the 1.2 bill bounty for killing it.
Sorry to say it but for the people who have mining lasers fitted more often than turrets and launchers, yesterday was not for you.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:54:00 -
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I didnt see any gate camps, and I know several people who died multiple times and kept coming back and making it through fine, so this sounds like another case of "omg someone died so that must mean there are gatecamping teenage griefers on every gate."
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/05/2005 15:04:08
Well, I took this excellent opportunity that left nearly all of the entrances to core fountain and outer ring terrotories unguarded to sneak in two alts of mine set up to harass and gank FA and IMP miners.
I'm glad CCP took this thing into 0.0 instead of keeping it in empire where the lag would have been less, participation possible for everyone, and where things would have not turned into a free for all. After all, it's just a birthday event, not something unique like putting some kind of never before seen ship in the middle of the population for all to gawk and shoot at.
Crowley, you should not be blaming the players that shot you. Sure they used the situation to their advantage (I imagine it was rich pickings for the normally challenged pirates in the Placid empire border zone). Apart from sending one character of mine to the serpentis coil to look around a bit just after downtime I didn't have time to participate in this, but I know that alot of people choose not to, denying them the right to carry on as usual is not your decision.
However, as my peice of sarcasm above implies, CCP could ahve instead taken this story elsewhere, where the massacre would not have included many victims of piracy and trigger happy local residents, just the victims of the serpentis force.
If you are to scream at anyone about this event being poor form, then it's the titan pilot and event organisers, not the people that participated or used the situation created by the event.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:02:00 -
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Btw, I missed the end of it.
Did it get killed and if so who got the mail ?
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:08:00 -
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Our escort was 100% succesful.
The Shadow Serpentis still have a titan in their possesion.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Btw, I missed the end of it.
Did it get killed and if so who got the mail ?
It survived.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:18:00 -
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Ive never seen so many cry babies in my life.... OMG I lost my ship and got podded, yea there are consequences for going out to claimed 0.0 space - cry me a ****in river...
I myself lost my ship and was podded, it really doesnt matter **** happens get over it...
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:19:00 -
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What I'm loving about this is that no one seems to be taking the current Presidential Elections into consideration. Who is to say exactly why the MC showed up to assist the Serpentis? Hmmm???
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
What I'm loving about this is that no one seems to be taking the current Presidential Elections into consideration. Who is to say exactly why the MC showed up to assist the Serpentis? Hmmm???
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Trepkos
Shut up n00b we own teh 0.0 if you cant fights out there we gank you, we lovee EVE-Killss!!!! we are uber ther...!!1
U should nt go to 0.0 if cant handle it noob!11, we are ownibng you guys big timwe!
Check out my stats on eve-kills!!! woot wooot I rock you!
Sorry, I wanted to roleplay some of the people you described for a bit.
Well Gold-dust,, and who in the worl are u guys? lol,,,, if u scream noob that much u prolly have some real problem.
To u that died, 0.0 is 0.0 make sure u have good friends, and defently a good fighter or u prolly get poded.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/05/2005 15:33:17
Yupp, I can confirm that the MC was hired (like we always are) by a generous giver to make sure that certain targets were disposed of. BDCI is happy with the rewards that are astronomical when compared to the losses.
Too bad SPC rats are still that, rats.. They couldn't forgive me shooting them up a bit in FA back in the day so they decided to light up my mighty Apocalypse. Enough compensation was given, so let's see if the next Apoc lasts 12+ months as well :)
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Posted - 2005.05.07 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: anister
Our escort was 100% succesful.
The Shadow Serpentis still have a titan in their possesion.
Well it wasnt so much your escort as the sniper ships the devs ended up setting up. Personally i find that the CCP devs didnt play fair and probably owe alot of people some reimbursements. I do applaud your escorts though as it did break up the monotany of shooting a mobile station for hours. The fleet battles were fun and i hope the devs that were there took note of and were just as frustrated by the 15 second module activation times. In the end it was clear that CCP was not playing in good faith and all along it was their intention that the titan get to serpentis prime. I know alot of people that have petitioned to get their ships back. I myself thought it was fun but i also thought they'd let us kill it..apparently they had other designs.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.05.07 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Sounds like good fun to me , sucks that I'm out of town.
What the cross eyed one said
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Posted - 2005.05.07 18:07:00 -
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Its a pity some of us couldnt be there... Maybe next year.
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
Originally by: anister
Well it wasnt so much your escort as the sniper ships the devs ended up setting up. Personally i find that the CCP devs didnt play fair and probably owe alot of people some reimbursements. I do applaud your escorts though as it did break up the monotany of shooting a mobile station for hours. The fleet battles were fun and i hope the devs that were there took note of and were just as frustrated by the 15 second module activation times. In the end it was clear that CCP was not playing in good faith and all along it was their intention that the titan get to serpentis prime. I know alot of people that have petitioned to get their ships back. I myself thought it was fun but i also thought they'd let us kill it..apparently they had other designs.
We don't know for sure that the titan was destined to make it to serpentis prime, it was taking a servere beating in JKJ at the hands of hundreds of pilots, and yes there was hundreds of people shooting at it, local may never have risen above a certain amount but people were constantly streaming in and being sent back via clone activation.
Our intentions were to never gank everything left, right and center, we were there to provide the distraction and support so that the titan could continue it's journey, we did that.
What started off as a scripted event quickly turned into a massive player driven event, whatever plans the dev's had i think were pretty much blown out of the sky, the fact that there is no news item for what happened yet goes some way to prove that, i'm sure the pre-written story is null and void now.
In a game as open ended as eve is where i'm pretty sure the intention was that all players would attack the titan we took the alternate route, us vs eve, no matter who complains and moans about what we had a damned good time last night, awesome fun.
"we're what?!?!, defending it! awesome."
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.05.07 18:17:00 -
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So err this was the yearly event then or something?
If so yeah, id imagine a lot of people were disapointed.
Even with a hat full of bm's through the region, there's no way you get anything bigger than a frig there solo, and hope there's not bs's blocking with smartbombs and no warp bubbles.
Tbh sounds like the alliances had a lot of fun, sounds like you all played the roles well and made it something special.
Flip side, shame the rest of eve couldn't realy take part, kind of a bit of a blower all things considerd the games as much their's as it is anybody elses.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 18:44:00 -
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To let you guys know its probably not over yet, im doubt that the gal. navy will just let the serps get away with stealing it... There will be more
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.07 18:46:00 -
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I know who i'll be gunning for
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Posted - 2005.05.07 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zame
WoW shocker that the arse licking Fan boys of FA get it not only on there door steps but inside their own home.
When will the EvE community wake up and realise that FA is the Devs Play ground??
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Fuse
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Posted - 2005.05.07 19:36:00 -
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Allot of people didn't get to go to the event. I wish this was better organized sure there was a post in the news about it but I bet that if we had better warning and more information more people would have helped.  Left out again this is getting annoying.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 21:04:00 -
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Before we start throwing RP reasons in,i think lets consider this from CCPs point of view.
The titan was supposed to be killed.It was supposed to be shot at by a few hundred players,preferably in battleships and die after hours and hours of fightning.Maybe days really.
It would then hand out the fantastic 1 billion + bounty that is only present on certain inactive characters at the moment,as well as dropping shadow serpentis mods and certain incredibly rare items limited to the serpentis corp.I will give you a hint : its not mods.
Everyone would be happy and talk about the event for days.Dozens of screenshots and fraps would be up with probably a video or 2 with commentary and special effects.
The players get the biggest event since....i think the guristas attack on circe......and CCP is happy,because it shows off more about eve,upcoming features and keeps the players happy.
This is not exactly what happened.
For one thing,CCP wanted major,wide-spread participation.Not enough to crash nodes certaintly,but it would be so big people would make special long trips to get to the event.
This is not really what happened.Oh sure some people did that,but the majority of people had this line of thought :
"Oooh big event!Sounds cool lets go check it out."
"Oh damn its in some 0.0 system with funky numbers.Let me check how far it is from my location."
"Ermmmmm 30+ jumps through low sec and 0.0 territory dodging gatecamps and pirates all the way?no way!"
The majority of players were logically enough,those closest to it.Which happens to be the alliance pilots in that region of space.
The simple fact that it was in a 0.0 system far away from the majority of players did not do exactly well for its participation level.Most people did not want to risk getting killed enroute just so they can shoot at a titan and -maybe- get some of the cool lot or a share of the bounty.Seriously.
Oh CCP probably thought of this.They might even have counted on it.If it had been yulai,it would have crashed the node for sure,besides the fact that it would make no sense.Wtf was a stolen gallente titan doing in a 1.0 security system with hordes of sentry guns and concord vessels around?Precisely.So they had to have it moving in the direction of serpentis territory and 0.0.
The side effect is precisely what you all know by now.Pirates seized the chance.What you got can rightly be called Eve's "Gatecamp" day.Every gate enrotue was camped.Tons of people died without seeing the titan.Tons more died as they were shooting the titan,its serpentis escort fleet,and being ganked by a co-ordinated group of experienced pvpers all setup right for the occasion.It was like shooting fish in a barrel, with a gatling nucleur missle launcher.
Once word spread that it was next to impossible to get near the titan due to pirates, people simply gave up and stopped trying.
The end effect was this : the event was,in all respects,soley attended by the alliances in the area.Oh surequite a few others chased it for a few jumps,but they didnt actually hurt it somewhat.They scratched the shields a bit maybe......but a few hours later,the gatecamps,lack of reinforcements from 10,20,even 30+ jumps away(while the pirates probably all had instas and were based nearby),the constant ganking by a co-ordinated pirate fleet perfectly setup and positioned,simply took its toll on the "good guys" side.
In the end pretty much the only people actually considered participating in the event were the alliances in the area.
CCP probably did not want to cater soley to these alliances.
Which is why,i tell you,changes will be made.ARE being made RIGHT NOW.And i can guarantee you all.......that on sunday......version 2 of the titan change with a brand new spanking news post will be here.
And i can guarantee the experience will be a tad different.
Unless you are the pessimistic sort.
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.05.07 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Fuse
Allot of people didn't get to go to the event. I wish this was better organized sure there was a post in the news about it but I bet that if we had better warning and more information more people would have helped. Left out again this is getting annoying.
don't you remember new caldari last year?
CCP promised then never to give advanced warning for an event ever again after what happened there :/
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.07 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 07/05/2005 21:37:19
Originally by: Question2
whiiiiiiiiiiine
Seriously kraft and velveeta should give you like a massive prize package for the amount of their product that you go through on a daily basis. I'm simply amazed.
How do you KNOW any of what you just claimed? I could just as easilly claim that ccp never intended for the titan to be killed, and were well aware that only 0.0 residents would be able to attend, because they realize that the 0.0 residents are the ones playing eve the way it is supposed to be played. Oh look I'm good at speculation too.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.05.07 22:01:00 -
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im not an 0.0 resident and i made it there 
oh and if every there had shot the titan i think it would have died too quick tbh. Besides, playing the defender was much more fun
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Fuse
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Posted - 2005.05.07 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Fuse
Allot of people didn't get to go to the event. I wish this was better organized sure there was a post in the news about it but I bet that if we had better warning and more information more people would have helped. Left out again this is getting annoying.
don't you remember new caldari last year?
CCP promised then never to give advanced warning for an event ever again after what happened there :/
Well that realy sucks because I want to play this game I am sick of seeing every lame excuse in the book to not let me play it.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fuse
Originally by: aeti
Originally by: Fuse
Allot of people didn't get to go to the event. I wish this was better organized sure there was a post in the news about it but I bet that if we had better warning and more information more people would have helped. Left out again this is getting annoying.
don't you remember new caldari last year?
CCP promised then never to give advanced warning for an event ever again after what happened there :/
Well that realy sucks because I want to play this game I am sick of seeing every lame excuse in the book to not let me play it.
What more info could you possibly need? They TOLD you the system it was stolen in, and SERPENTIS stole it, I mean what did you think was gonna happen, they were gonna fly the STOLEN GALLANTE TITAN down to stain for you to shoot? RP wise of course they would take it back to their HQ. Hundreds of other players did the 1+1 calculations, I'm sorry you weren't smart enough to figure it out but many other people did, so stop whining.
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Posted - 2005.05.07 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
How do you KNOW any of what you just claimed? I could just as easilly claim that ccp never intended for the titan to be killed, and were well aware that only 0.0 residents would be able to attend, because they realize that the 0.0 residents are the ones playing eve the way it is supposed to be played. Oh look I'm good at speculation too.
Seems to be of popular opinion that atm, everybody should be playing the game the way the 0.0 residents do, eg the way it's supposed to be played.
Would have nothing to do with oveurs postings on the forum would it
I love it how a dev comes on the forum so often as a gamer and gets in with the customers/fellow gamers. But in truth he's cause more harm than good atm making such defining statements.
You guys are feeding off them, and tbh i can imagine a great number of the forum/customer base thinking 'not good'.
Honestly if the devs turned this game into there dream that a few thousand 'hardcore' went along with, it would die a death.
Thing with a celebration yearly event, it should be for everybody, i love the concept of what they did on this titain thing, and i liked how people played it out.
But as with everything else in eve with events such as this... there are people just going to be out for there jollies and make absolute sure people can't partake. It's happend since day one, something which ccp should realy take into account, nothing to do with 0.0 space either.
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Posted - 2005.05.08 00:12:00 -
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Verone that is one of the best sigs on the forum.
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Posted - 2005.05.08 00:33:00 -
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Wow, what a bunch of filthy whiners.
First, this isn't the first Titan on TQ. Just the first to be shot at.
Second, you people are complaining that you didn't get to participate. What gives you the right to claim life should be fair? Its 0.0, teamwork and numbers ruled this event, and it makes sense that the most powerful 0.0 pvp corps would be the major participants. If you're not friends with them, or have other friends to back you up, expect to get shot - especially since "Five" were defending the Titan and making sure it made it safely to Fountain.
I didn't participate, since I don't think "Five" like me very much for some reason, I would have loved to though as Finite Horizon in particular deals with narcotics and is quite anti-Federation. No I'm not going to whine, props to Atuk and co. The rest of you should reconsider what you do in EVE if this was your first trip out into 0.0.
Personally, I'm glad this was held in 0.0 instead of empire since the ruling participant gets to dictate the course of the event.
And no, FA is not the devs playground you incomprehensable heathens.
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Posted - 2005.05.08 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: MutationZ
Yeah it sounds like a suckage event.
Nice one CCP, run the event thru gank central.
Congrats
did you miss out on the action? Im sorry. Im sure they will try to keep it in yulai for you next time.
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Posted - 2005.05.08 12:58:00 -
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Fantastic.You cant even give a summary of what happened at the titan event without being called a whiner,even though the definition of a whiner is the following :
To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
Following this line of logic dev blogs and dev chat logs are considered whines too......
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:17:00 -
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You didn't give a summary, the first half of your post was nothing but assumptions.
Summary:
Titan Stolen
Last seen location given
Hundreds of players flock to said location to take pot shots
Titan recieves escort
Titan then refuse the escort carries on
HUGE battle in JKJ with everyone and thier dogs shooting at the titan
Backup requested, arrives and creates breathing space
Titan finishes it's journey.
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
In the end it was clear that CCP was not playing in good faith and all along it was their intention that the titan get to serpentis prime.
Not true.
We had to ARGUE with the Serps to be allowed to escort them and were shot up on numerous occasions by their fleet. We had people in constant communications with various Serps to influence the EVENT the way that we wanted it to go. That Titan moved so slowly it was incredible and there were plenty of oppertunities to reinforce your fleets to force us off and take on the Titan again. After all, the EVENT ran for what, 10 hours?
Petitioning ships back? Hell, we were saving the Serps and lost ships to them, you guys were actively attacking them and should expect to get shot back at and possibly loose your ships.
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
Well it wasnt so much your escort as the sniper ships the devs ended up setting up.
Yeah, Vindicators w/ Shadow Serpentis mods are pretty nasty, eh? I think I would have done the same if I were the Serpentis CEO and decided to steal a Titan from the Gallente.
Don't quite understand how you expected him to just fly a Titan solo for dozens of jumps through 0.0 with a 1.2b bounty on his head... Seems a little unreasonable for you to feel that way.
Originally by: Kalened
Personally i find that the CCP devs didnt play fair and probably owe alot of people some reimbursements.
I don't know how you come to this conclusion. When they were doing well, we were told (by them) to back off. When we didn't do it fast enough, the guns were turned on us as well. So, I think they took great pains to "play fair".
Originally by: Kalened
In the end it was clear that CCP was not playing in good faith and all along it was their intention that the titan get to serpentis prime.
Easy to say, not easy to prove. The fact of the matter is that anyone could have flown up there, joined in a HUGE fleet, and aggressed the Titan and its escorts. This is shown by the fact that it happened. Furthermore, anyone could have flown up there, joined a fleet, and defended the titan. This is shown by the fact that it happened.
There you go: players had the ability to change the outcome of the event based upon their decisions to engage or defend. Kudo's to CCP for letting the players make direct contributions to the storyline of EVE.
Originally by: Kalened
I know alot of people that have petitioned to get their ships back.
 They go toe-to-toe with a titan+uber modded escorts+player escorts with clearly overwhelming (like 5:1 in their favor) odds, and then petition when they lose? HAaaahahahaaa! Now that is class.
Originally by: Kalened
I myself thought it was fun but i also thought they'd let us kill it..apparently they had other designs.
As stated, you could have killed it; I'll not speculate on why it wasn't accomplished, as I have my own oppinion. But if you need to lay blame somewhere, don't drop it on CCP because you couldn't destroy the titan, or it's escorts, or the RP'ing players that supported the theft.
This was a player-driven event. The Devs put all the pieces there to have one heck of a good time, and most of us did. Sorry it didn't go your way, but sometimes it just works out like that.
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Naos Zapatero
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:17:00 -
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Well lets hope that the Federation takes the action of the pilots and corps who were "defending" the stolen Titan into account and adjusts their standings accordingly eh? 
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