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AndromacheDarkstar Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate 241	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:41:00 - [1] - Quote Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there. Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp. Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
Emu Meo Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:42:00 - [2] - Quote I still think CCP may buff drone HP after all of the crying. But at least the sleeper AI is still here to stay.
Zloco Crendraven BALKAN EXPRESS 100	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:44:00 - [3] - Quote Webzz + Gardes and drone dancing. Solved problem

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance 1607	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:44:00 - [4] - Quote I fixed your title since you clearly made a typo CCP Navigator -Community Manager

James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1415	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:45:00 - [5] - Quote High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear.
Bing Khagah Hedion University Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:47:00 - [6] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging.
dexington Push button receive bacon 191	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:50:00 - [7] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pvp'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making any isk at all. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Zloco Crendraven BALKAN EXPRESS 101	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:50:00 - [8] - Quote Bing Khagah wrote: AndromacheDarkstar wrote: This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging I concur. Deploying drones and then recalling them for each group, spawn, pocket before deploying them again is exceedingly challenging. This too, it really shouldnt be a problem.
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1415	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:50:00 - [9] - Quote dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear.
starbelt stacy Project-Gonk 10	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:53:00 - [10] - Quote umm no sorry simply recalling your drones doesnt work like .... i tired it and it doesnt work the drones that are already targeted and nearly popped within 10secs from launch dont respond.... and thats on the first group in the room. some rooms you have 4+ groups of npcs, navy raven which i use only can carry 10 t2med drones and some missions there are 5 rooms with about 15+ groups of npcs so do the math if you can.... it isnt hard to work out this is a nerf to l4 mission runners who dont go afk. hate me if ya like im always partial to hate mail Sack the dumb mofo who decided to nerf level 4's? .... again!!!

AndromacheDarkstar Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate 242	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:53:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Navigator wrote: I fixed your title since you clearly made a typo Thanks a bunch, keyboard slip Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
dexington Push button receive bacon 191	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:54:00 - [12] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Norrin Ellis Venture Racing 98	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:56:00 - [13] - Quote I thought for a moment this thread might have some useful insights. Color me disappointed. CEO, Venture Racing Retired Senior Banker, EVE Online Hold'Em
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities 559	Posted - 2012.12.05 10:58:00 - [14] - Quote Op's argument might not be stupid if the AI shot of the guns turrets and missile launchers of other ships. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 1415	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:00:00 - [15] - Quote dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: High sec PVE'ers moan about how they lose isk/hr from the AI changes, never admitting that they weren't really supposed to be able to make that much in the first place. to be fair null sec pve'ers whine just as much about the fact the hi-sec'ers are making almost as much isk as they are for significantly less risk Fixed. are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues? Try again. -áObjects in mirror are redder than they appear.
Kanta Kansene Agentes in rebus Relativity Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:14:00 - [16] - Quote My only question (which I will answer for myself later today) about the drone changes is not related to afk drone-boating. I have ~600k in drones (just enough to have T2 scout drones and some support skills) and I run around in a CNR. Cruise missiles don't work very well against frigs, so I used to get aggro, then send drones to kill the frigs...however even in the past, the frigs would often switch to my drones and I'd lose one or two over the course of a mission...no big deal, buy another couple next time I am at a station. Oft times I would just tank everything and kill all the big stuff and after it was all gone, I'd send drones out to kill a frig, return to bay to rep their shields, rinse, and repeat until all the frigs were gone. Is this going to change, or is it pretty much this now?
JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 785	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:16:00 - [17] - Quote As a related question, are the NPC's only switching their targets to your drones if they are closer to them than you are? I mean, could you just drop some bouncer 2's and let them go to work as you advance in front of them while remaining closer to the NPC's than your drones are?
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 2101	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:21:00 - [18] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there. I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones. That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Akiyo Mayaki Industrial Justice Corporation 15	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:23:00 - [19] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there. Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp. Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up Maybe it would be slightly more comforting if what you said was true. Not all of us have done these "450" missions. For instance, I have barely got to the tough end of finally almost getting my drone boat. I've been training for this ever since I started on this game and now I almost have it.. Just to see it being ruined. But yeah, thank you.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 154	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:27:00 - [20] - Quote dexington wrote: are you trying to say the null-sec pvp'ers are bad at pve, and this is not really a game balance problem but l2p issues? nope, he's tryig to spin the same old nulsec lie that risk in 1 place is somehow riskier than somewhere else when risk is defined as your ship blowing up the only place where there is zero risk in eve is INSIDE a station but that doesn't make nulsec sound as badass, so therefore nulsec dwellers declared that nulsec risk is riskier risk because it's riskier risk.

JC Anderson Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 785	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:30:00 - [21] - Quote Kitty Bear wrote: [the only place where there is zero risk in eve is INSIDE a station but that doesn't make nulsec sound as badass, so therefore nulsec dwellers declared that nulsec risk is riskier risk because it's riskier risk. For some reason this reminded me of known knowns, and known unknowns, along with unknown knowns.
AndromacheDarkstar Fiscal Fisting Inc. Imperial Protectorate 242	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:33:00 - [22] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: AndromacheDarkstar wrote: Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there. I never thought a Malestrom or Vargur did their DPS through drones. That has clearly to be the reason why the intelligently acting AI shoots some Warriors I, while 8 x 800mm autocannons farm them like a meatgrinder. They cant remove your ship DPS as quickly as they can remove your drone DPS Fiscal Fisting Inc.-áAmarr Militia Corp Recruiting EU TZ PVP pilots now Also Looking for EU PVP corps to join-áa growing-áAmarr-áFW-áalliance
Remiel Pollard Devlin Security Devlin Alliance 235	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:38:00 - [23] - Quote AndromacheDarkstar wrote: Just felt the need to point something out here, the reason you are losing drones from your drone boats is because the AI is actually acting intelligently. Its doing somthing PVP`ers would do when faced with a boat that does its DPS through drones and removing the threat. This provides a challenge, if you dont like challenging gameplay then eve is not for you and you are welcome to leave, the door is over there. Alternatively you could think about how you play the game and maybe, just maybe try something new when running your 450th mission in a row in you drone boat you havent ever lost with the 1 set of drones you bought 3 years ago. Maybe pick up a ship with guns, get some friends in to share the reward, maybe use your drone boat for pvp. Which brings me to the next point, drone boats are not dead, just dead to you. I still love drones in PVP. Your playing EVE ladies and gents. Man up The thread title led me to believe I would be posting in another "oh nose my drones!" thread - but what you said a thousand times! Those poor little mission runners - suddenly, their predictable little missions aren't predictable anymore. Too bad they won't listen, though, because making excuses for their just being generally bad at EVE (hence why they run missions and don't like change) is all they're really good at. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Irya Boone Escadron leader 76	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:43:00 - [24] - Quote Some people choose the Drone Play style for some reason , i like playing with my dominix ( like this ship ) Never been afk'ed in mission I Think this patch is unfair because a lot of people rely on drones for their DPS , to be fair I think the NPc should destroy any Missiles smaller than them just after the launch. CCP doesn't Love Drones and drone Boat So Be honest for once and tell every one to skill Caldari and missile .. maybe laser now and it Will be good Too but don't be an hypocrite by nerfing drone boat every month. It been 4 years people Asking TO Do something about heavy drone Speed .... 2 years to go to a target at 20Km (even with navigation module) so instead of doing things no one asked ... fix that. Ps: When people asked To improved L4 and npcs It was more Than instead Of Putting a nest of Frigate in LV4 put BS and carrier NPC with Ewar make The LvL4 impossible to do Solo , make npc use drones too etc etc ... not that And if you don't want people To AFK running mission You could just Do one THING : REMOVE the Aggressive Mode of drone ..... That it only that so you Have to choose to click engage target on every target . And to discourage AFK mining improve Dps of Astreroids belt pirates : as no more aggressive Mode on drones 30min of attack pirates get a dps of 300 1min00>>>450 1m30>>>800 etc etc so the miners will have to kill the pirates as soon as they get on the grid. It's simple and don't have to add anything in the code ( you already have the code for the sequential improvement of dps >>reacting hardener code ^^ Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á
Souisa WESCORP 2.0 58	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:44:00 - [25] - Quote Using drones in missions was already a challenge, if you sent them in before aggro they would get aggroed.. So they made using drones from being a challenge to being a pain in the ass? o/
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 208	Posted - 2012.12.05 11:47:00 - [26] - Quote Gate guns don't shoot drones, I'm happy
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 168	Posted - 2012.12.05 12:16:00 - [27] - Quote OP is yet another person in a long line of them thinking they know how people should play the game. Another thread on drones wasn't really needed sir, you could have posted this in one of the many other threads about drones. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs.
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance 157	Posted - 2012.12.05 12:44:00 - [28] - Quote I Love Boobies wrote: OP is yet another person in a long line of them thinking they know how people should play the game. Another thread on drones wasn't really needed sir, you could have posted this in one of the many other threads about drones. but they are a special snowflake and therefore deserve to have a thread of thier very own
Rengerel en Distel Amarr Science and Industry 567	Posted - 2012.12.05 12:47:00 - [29] - Quote You should probably go tell that guy from goonswarm how bad he is at the game for losing 400+ garde IIs in his carrier ratting. Obviously his carrier should switch to his other weapons, right? But please, continue to tell people that play the game differently than you, that they're doing it wrong.
Nevryn Takis University of Caille Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2012.12.05 12:55:00 - [30] - Quote As I've posted elsewhere it's not only an issue for mission runners .. before the patch is 3 angle frigates decide to target T2 mining drones it's take them 60 secs to kill the drone after the patch it takes less than 10 ... and they always target the drones if they're out.. makes using them completely pointless and if you actually deploy warrirors to kill the rats the AI does not switch to the combat drones.. So you're trying to convince me that a change in the AI to make it more intelligent about what it targets is responsible for a 5 fold increase in damge output against drones?



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