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Taiki
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Posted - 2005.05.08 05:26:00 -
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With every new season comes a new nerf and with a new nerf leaves a bunch of disgruntled and now incapacitated players in it's wake. Honestly, on way too many different accounts has these 'beneficial' nerfs in some way caused more trouble then they supposedly fixed.
I wouldnt dare specialize or get use to any type of playstyle in this game due to there is always a 95% chance that it will be nerfed to hell the next day, or month. We see this on only so many accounts and in the end it leaves us with much less then we had before.
We lose ISK, knowledge and overall fun to these constant harasses to the game. I leave it to CCP who believe what they are doing is for the good of the community, but who enjoys buying a ship and specializing in its skills just to realize that that ship and whatever is related to it is going to be included in the 'kill list' for the next patch. So instead you have to sell your ship, and buy another with a longer predicted lifespan.
Nobody enjoys having to train a whole new batch of skills because the last were rendered useless in a quick shift of a patch. Then again you can wait for the boost, the very small boost that will come....six monthes later after the initial nerf.
Boosts are fun and nerfs are not, why not try to boost the underpowered, instead of nerfing the overpowered. If we keep going at this rate, tne game will just be a meddlesome grind to kill each other with guns and missiles doing damage in relations to a small pea-shooter in south Africa.
Call this a whine or call this a rant if you want, Im just tired of getting use to this and then seeing it eliminated because of that.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:12:00 -
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Always go for advanced learning skills first.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:27:00 -
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It's balancing, not nerfing.
EVE is a changing universe, what works well today may not work well tomorrow.
This forces you to adapt to the everchanging world around you. Just think how boring it would be if you had "omgwtf pwnz0r winbutton" for every situation.
If you have a specialization trained it will never be useless, worst case is it will no longer be uber. This brings it inline with the other races.
Different races will always cry foul when a change affects them, its the nature of the human race.
Yes, I think you are whining, its just a general cry-out with no specifics at all
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DEVILSENIGMA
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:32:00 -
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In general a specialized skill with a weapon would be better than a T1 skill. People who have trained Large Pulse Specilization would still do pretty good damage than someone who has large hybrid at 4. So if you have specialized in something dont regret it because it will help.
This is a blanket statement however.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:42:00 -
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What is it you're having to change to start a new spec? Which so called "Nerf"? Missiles? Lasers? Sounds like you had to switch ship specs to train another ship in the same class. Which ship?
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Fendor Atar
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Posted - 2005.05.08 07:10:00 -
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Ive always stuck with my megathron i love the ship and as my gunnery skills improved the more i love the ship 
just because ure ship isnt uber anymore dosent make it bad by far, lasers still have the best tracking speed of all races dont forget that 
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DEVILSENIGMA
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Posted - 2005.05.08 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: DEVILSENIGMA on 08/05/2005 07:17:34
 Originally by: Fendor Atar
Ive always stuck with my megathron i love the ship and as my gunnery skills improved the more i love the ship
just because ure ship isnt uber anymore dosent make it bad by far, lasers still have the best tracking speed of all races dont forget that
Even with the megathron's tracking bonus? I've used the megathron more than the apoc but tbh I've never paid attention to the tracking. If I cant hit anything that close it torps and drones *evil grin*
Edit: grammar
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Dr MOo
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Posted - 2005.05.08 09:51:00 -
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You are so right, and CCP better see this. When i started gallente sucked so i trained amarr. Then amarr got nerfed a load so thats a hell of a lot of training time wasted. I ******* hate it and if it continues i WILL quit. Nerfs ruined SWG, and nerfs will ruin EVE if CCP don't get their act together. 
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.08 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dr MOo
You are so right, and CCP better see this. When i started gallente sucked so i trained amarr. Then amarr got nerfed a load so thats a hell of a lot of training time wasted. I ******* hate it and if it continues i WILL quit. Nerfs ruined SWG, and nerfs will ruin EVE if CCP don't get their act together.
P.S. If you are serious, sir, then I'm afraid to say the most lame and unskilled person in the whole gaming universe is you. gg.
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Santiac
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:01:00 -
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Are Gallente ships still considered inferior?
Not in my book, a Megathron just require more time and more flexability to use properly, and i PVP and mission run in it. No it's not as time effective as a raven, and it's among the first targets in a battle, it has a huge opt distance gap in either manner of its setups, but that does not make it less fun in my book :]
I flew gallente before the hybrid boost, i enjoy the challenge that would more or less be completely gone if i for example did L4 missions in a Raven. I enjoy not being mainstream, and i enjoy the fact, that if i want to be effective with the race i like i have to have more then 3 months of dedicated training time to be it :)
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Solidarious
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:03:00 -
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I've only been playing for 3 months and all that time so far has gone to specializing caldari missile boats. And then I learn they're going to nerf them.
I don't care if you call it balancing or what, that's 3 months of training, that if I knew a nerf was coming, I never would have gone down this path.
CCP needs to stop listening to the vocal minority (whiners), because in the end they will lose subscribers. Including me.
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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Always go for advanced learning skills first.
ROFL
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Fendor Atar
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:07:00 -
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aa yes the dreaded missile nerf.. althou u dont know what they will change ure still crying out in pain over it... wait and see what CCP says first before u start crying
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Steele on 08/05/2005 10:21:53
Originally by: Dr MOo
Then amarr got nerfed a load so thats a hell of a lot of training time wasted.
I trained amarr and lasers are still cool, you just cant pwn from long distance using pulse lasers, so fit beams if thats your playstyle or go close range with pulses, which is most fun!...
I think beam lasers need some loving as trying to fit them onto an frigate like a AF or an inty is a pain in the arse.
But anyway back on topic, with the missile changes they were nessasary, unless they just gave all ships two missile slots which would have been balanced, but boring.
The pulse laser nerf was nessasary and i'm sure it wont be the last nerf to lasers.
The point im trying to make is that the game needs constant balancing so we dont get a situation where one ship owns everything, like the case with the raven and lvl4 missions.
Jim.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: F''nog on 08/05/2005 10:29:39
Originally by: Dr MOo
You are so right, and CCP better see this. When i started gallente sucked so i trained amarr. Then amarr got nerfed a load so thats a hell of a lot of training time wasted. I ******* hate it and if it continues i WILL quit. Nerfs ruined SWG, and nerfs will ruin EVE if CCP don't get their act together.
ROFL. If you think Amarr suck, then you should have been here when laser weapons were useless. I love my Geddon, Apoc, and all the "lesser" Amarr ships. You, sir, are a whiner and an idiot. Amarr are just as good now as they were before the "nerf". You can't OMGWTFBBQPWN people from long range with a pulse, but they still kick ass up close, which is what they were designed for in the first place.
I wouldn't trade my large pulse specialization for a Titan, and neither would anyone who knew how to use them effectively.
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susan ivonava
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:41:00 -
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Well, i actualy trained caldari and amarr, wil always fly amarr, but im now specialising in caldari ships, even after the nerf i will continue to fy my raven and any other cadari ship out there, just means i will have to put in the same time investment as everyone else.
and as to the 'i am sick of having to train for a new ship/race/gun/stye whatever', maybe stop trying to fy favour of the month and actuallky specialise in 1 damn race/ship/weapon whatsever, then you may see that its all about BALANCE, equal skills in any class gives equal resutls.
btw, this isnt a flame, just a general comment as im sick of whiners moaning about every slight change int he game.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.08 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dr MOo
You are so right, and CCP better see this. When i started gallente sucked so i trained amarr. Then amarr got nerfed a load so thats a hell of a lot of training time wasted. I ******* hate it and if it continues i WILL quit. Nerfs ruined SWG, and nerfs will ruin EVE if CCP don't get their act together.
Gallente have never sucked. What you trained for was the overpowered amarr, now that's been brought in line. You're no longer flying something overpowered. Now you can go looking for something equally overpowered ( not in game atm ) but you can try. Only to find that whatever imbalance you think you found gets nerfed by the time you're trained up for it.
OR you could use your brain and realize that training to make use of something overpowered is stupid and counterproductive. But training for what you like to fly has you having fun all the time, and if what you like to fly is somehow unbalanced CCP will get to it.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.08 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Solidarious
I've only been playing for 3 months and all that time so far has gone to specializing caldari missile boats. And then I learn they're going to nerf them.
I don't care if you call it balancing or what, that's 3 months of training, that if I knew a nerf was coming, I never would have gone down this path.
CCP needs to stop listening to the vocal minority (whiners), because in the end they will lose subscribers. Including me.
So cause missiles are changed all your training is useless? How about your 3 months of training in using missile boats ( which is impressive considering the lack of missile skills ) is now worth as much as 3 months of training for let's say amarr gunboats?
And everything has been nerfed and/or boosted and/or changed in the past 2 years. Expecting a MMORPG to never change is a strange way of playing them.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Ishana
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Posted - 2005.05.08 11:01:00 -
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Quote:
I think beam lasers need some loving as trying to fit them onto an frigate like a AF or an inty is a pain in the arse.
Welcome to the troubles of all the other races.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.05.08 11:04:00 -
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This is the very type of thing i post about every patch.
I seen it to much to not see it coming.
CCP want to make the game more community based.
so are altering the ships so you need a balanced fleet.
They are then telling us that we need to specilise for each part of this fleet.
this is where the noob's tie in as the idea ccp give's them is that they can be just as good as a vet by specilising.
not these newb's are becoming vet's and are seeing what ccp told them to do nerfed over and over even more.
that leads to no one beleiving they can specilise or they risk lossing the ability to compet as some stage when they get nerfed. thus every one trains a bit of everything and moans when what is still good get's nerfed or when the specilised player's that have not yet been nerfed pwn them.
If it keep's up like in all games people will get sick and leave.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.08 11:09:00 -
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farimear the problem with that statement is simple, it assumes that a "nerf" makes you weaker compaired to everyone else, which is just flat out not true. And definetly not the intention of a nerf, it's to make the playing field even.
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A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Carrde
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Posted - 2005.05.08 11:12:00 -
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If the game doesn't evolve it becomes stale. Simple as that.
Perhaps that is why Eve has just celebrated it's 2nd Birthday?
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Taiki
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:27:00 -
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Lets look back at the projectiles, projectiles were good, real good, maybe even too good. So instinctly, CCP had to balance projectiles, meanwhile players were specializing skills and skills to use projectiles at their very best.
So the nerf comes, bringing projectiles from good, past balance, to way underpowered. I just dont wanna see that happen again, because even though CCP boosted them a long time later, not really a sufficient boost, all those peeps who projectile specialized got screwed. |
Regma
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: MutationZ
It's balancing, not nerfing.
And that's all there is to it.
It can't be nice having your overpowered guns brought into line with everyone else, but surely you must know, that sooner or later, it's was going to happen.
Roll on the missile changes. (and about 5000 threads, just like this one)
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MindBender
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fendor Atar
Ive always stuck with my megathron i love the ship and as my gunnery skills improved the more i love the ship
just because ure ship isnt uber anymore dosent make it bad by far, lasers still have the best tracking speed of all races dont forget that
UM Lasers do NOT have the best tracking speed. Blasters have better tracking by far over lasers.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Liu Kaskakka on 08/05/2005 15:11:12
Mwhaha. I started training for a mega 4 months ago when everyone thought it sucked ass. I told people that when I'm done, they have boosted the mega. Im perfectly happy now with my 425 IIs. Life is peachy. ^^
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:33:00 -
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way back when anything minmitar was laughed at i was still flying their ships, the tempest was thought to be crap at everything, too little DoT everyone use to cry to anyone who bothered to listen, but hwat made minmitar more usefull today was the introduction of af`s and hac`s, the ability to choose your damage type thus became very important, a fact that was laughed at previously,
so if you have the hump over what happened to amarr laser ships, dont be too upset, specialization will still be good, you will still be able to mix it with the best reguardless of what the current fasion is.
if your pulse lasers dont suite the playstile you once had, try to adapt, think new stratergy to suite your gun,adapt, evolve etc.etc..
just my 2p worth
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Taiki
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Regma
Originally by: MutationZ
It's balancing, not nerfing.
And that's all there is to it.
It can't be nice having your overpowered guns brought into line with everyone else, but surely you must know, that sooner or later, it's was going to happen.
Roll on the missile changes. (and about 5000 threads, just like this one)
Why cant they boost the underpowered instead of nerfing the overpowered. Why cant it all be good instead of all being crap.
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Regma
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Taiki
Originally by: Regma
Originally by: MutationZ
It's balancing, not nerfing.
And that's all there is to it.
It can't be nice having your overpowered guns brought into line with everyone else, but surely you must know, that sooner or later, it's was going to happen.
Roll on the missile changes. (and about 5000 threads, just like this one)
Why cant they boost the underpowered instead of nerfing the overpowered. Why cant it all be good instead of all being crap.
Quite an interesting comment coming from a 7 day old char. Post with your main, or don't bother, at all.
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:59:00 -
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unbalanced gameplay 4tw.
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