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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:30:00 -
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Capsuleers,
Many of you may already have heard of the New Order of High Security Space. Some of you have not. In any case, the Order has yet to be publicly announced in the Intergalactic Summit, so, as an Agent of the Order, I am taking it upon myself to introduce it. Feel free to ask questions; my fellow Agents and I shall do our best to answer them.
What is the New Order?
To put it simply, the New Order is a group of capsuleers who believe in the principles put forth in the New Halaima Code of Conduct, as set down by the Lord and Saviour of Highsec, James 315. The Code, and the Order, transcends corporations, alliances, coalitions and empires. All of lawful New Eden (defined as those systems where Concord operates) falls under our rule.
James 315 and the Agents of the New Order believe that capsuleers everywhere should not focus only on personal profit, but also on doing their best to improve the community of New Eden and to raise the standard of living of your average capsuleer - to become 'good people', if you like. We take the view that many capsuleers could improve themselves simply by being held to a higher standard of conduct. The New Halaima Code of Conduct provides that standard - and the New Order enforces it.
The New Order is, of course, a democratic organisation. The Code was written and agreed to by the entire community of New Highsec. Of course, it would be impractical for tens of thousands of capsuleers to collaborate on one document, so James himself, in his position as elected Savior and Representative of Highsec, acted as a proxy when drafting the Code.
How does the New Order affect you?
If you are already a good and upstanding member of the capsuleer elite, then the New Order will hardly affect you at all - other than in enforcing similar standards for everyone else, which should cause a noticeable improvement in your life as a capsuleer.
If you do not already, then the New Order expects you to follow the values outlined in the [url=http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlNew Halaima Code of Conduct[/url]. In brief, this involves respect for all fellow capsuleers, not engaging in activities to excessiveness - we want well-rounded people in our systems - and keeping your public communication clean and decent. You are required to accept all the lifestyles that a capsuleer might potentially follow, from suicide warfare to joining a militia to upholding the Code itself.
If you are one of the many capsuleers who reside exclusively in low- or null-security space, then the Code is not enforced, as such. However, the New Order still recommends following the Code, as you will find yourself becoming a better person overall and an asset to your community.
How can you aid the New Order?
Become an Agent. The most direct way that you can aid the New Order of Highsec is to become an Agent and uphold the Code yourself. This involves everything from forcefully moving the ships of Code-violators to debating the intricacies of the Code with people who are unsure, to performing Concord's duties in destroying criminals themselves. As an Agent, who can expect to travel New Eden, visit all four empires and see multitudes of different types of capsuleers. Ships and ammunition are often subsidised by the New Order, and you can expect to make a profit from the fees taken from violators of the Code.
Become a Shareholder. For those of you who have more ISK than time, you too can support the New Order by purchasing shares. Shares cost no more than one million ISK each, and all proceeds go to the Savior of Highsec to support his rule. Shareholders are publicly recognised as contributors to the cause, and are also permitted to take part in Shareholder Votes (one share is equivalent to one vote), which display the truly democratic nature of the Order in voting on tricky interpretations of the Code as well as future New Order policies.
Thank you. Please feel free to ask any questions that you feel I have not sufficiently answered.
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Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:49:00 -
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The Irony of someone from your organization calling for Order of any sort is hilarious.
Unless that 'order' consists of more displays of dozens of text phalluses in local comms when your members pass by, as I've seen more often than not.
But, best of luck with the whole endeavor.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
6
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:07:00 -
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Very nice write-up but I along with Silas, as well as many more I'm sure, am aware of the very decadent nature of your organisation.
But, as long as it keeps you away from State creches... |
Sepherim
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:16:00 -
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I'm curious to know how you intend to enforce that code of yours. Secure space is watched over by CONCORD, and they don't consider an offense violating the code. And I don't think you're planning on facing their warships just so you can punish someone who bad talked anotherone. So, how do you intend to enforce it? Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |
Innocent Mind
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:29:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:I'm curious to know how you intend to enforce that code of yours. Secure space is watched over by CONCORD, and they don't consider an offense violating the code. And I don't think you're planning on facing their warships just so you can punish someone who bad talked anotherone. So, how do you intend to enforce it?
I bet they'll put bounties on people. |
Emily Florence Nightingale
Uskudar
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 16:38:00 -
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yawn!!!
I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane. |
Silas Vitalia
Nobilta Nera JIHADASQUAD
440
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:15:00 -
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Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:yawn!!!
I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane.
They are not 'scared,' I can confirm that much.
Be weary though, for even a thousand idiots with guns can occasionally point them in the same direction to devastating effect.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |
Gussarde en Welle
Fruidian Logic The Volition Cult
78
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:43:00 -
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I like the idea. It doesn't have much in the way of legs for lowsec though. |
Khazarn Areth
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
113
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:04:00 -
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Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:yawn!!!
I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane.
It would seem that the answer is a mixture of A and B. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1234
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:10:00 -
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Such things have been tried before and all of them failed miserably. Mane 614
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Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.06 18:29:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:The Irony of someone from your organization calling for Order of any sort is hilarious.
Unless that 'order' consists of more displays of dozens of text phalluses in local comms when your members pass by, as I've seen more often than not. As I said, the Order transcends corporations and alliances. The actions of my organisation are in no way linked to the actions of the New Order.
Quinzel Nikulainen wrote:But, as long as it keeps you away from State creches... I'm very sorry, but I'm not quite sure what you're referring to.
Sepherim wrote:I'm curious to know how you intend to enforce that code of yours. Secure space is watched over by CONCORD, and they don't consider an offense violating the code. And I don't think you're planning on facing their warships just so you can punish someone who bad talked anotherone. So, how do you intend to enforce it? The Code can be enforced in a number of ways. Non-Code-compliant miners, for example, can be forced out of mining range by repeatedly hitting their ships with your own. More serious criminals can be punished by blowing up their ships.
And yes, we are willing to face Concord's punishments in the name of enforcing the Code.
Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane. We've chosen Highsec because that's where the highset concentration of capsuleers is. Quite simply, that's where we can make the biggest difference.
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Such things have been tried before and all of them failed miserably. With that attitude, the New Order would fail too.
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.12.06 22:56:00 -
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Khazarn Areth wrote:Emily Florence Nightingale wrote:yawn!!!
I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane. It would seem that the answer is a mixture of A and B.
Paradoxically, I am going with all of the above. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Khazarn Areth
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
113
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Posted - 2012.12.06 23:31:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Sepherim wrote:I'm curious to know how you intend to enforce that code of yours. Secure space is watched over by CONCORD, and they don't consider an offense violating the code. And I don't think you're planning on facing their warships just so you can punish someone who bad talked anotherone. So, how do you intend to enforce it? The Code can be enforced in a number of ways. Non-Code-compliant miners, for example, can be forced out of mining range by repeatedly hitting their ships with your own. More serious criminals can be punished by blowing up their ships. And yes, we are willing to face Concord's punishments in the name of enforcing the Code.
Suicide ganking and bumping I think the baseliner herd call it.
How long do you think you can keep such a programme of mundane aggression and general asshattery going? a week? a month? Your fellow corporation members and their allies will grow tired before much of a dent is made, we've seen this all before. Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.06 23:33:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:all proceeds go to the Savior of Highsec to support his rule
Always a good way to run one's democracy
"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.12.08 09:53:00 -
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This New Order is irrelevant. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:42:00 -
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MisterNick wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:all proceeds go to the Savior of Highsec to support his rule Always a good way to run one's democracy Naturally, much of the money is returned to the citizens via bounties on insubordinates and subsidising ships.
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This New Order is irrelevant. I'm so sorry to hear you say that.
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Lailoken Emrys
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.08 20:21:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:MisterNick wrote:Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:all proceeds go to the Savior of Highsec to support his rule Always a good way to run one's democracy Naturally, much of the money is returned to the citizens via bounties on insubordinates and subsidising ships. Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This New Order is irrelevant. I'm so sorry to hear you say that.
But you are.
"We're going to break CONCORD laws to uphold our own, because we want to help you by spitting in the face of your freedom. Also, we will act without checks or balances."
Give me a break. And I tohught I was a foolish idealist. |
Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:00:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:Capsuleers, . The Code, and the Order, transcends corporations, alliances, coalitions and empires. All of lawful New Eden (defined as those systems where Concord operates) falls under our rule.
The Scriptures, the word of the Empress and laws of the Empire all overrule your puny code.
Additionally, with its supposed democratic principles it stinks of Gallente influence.
If you had been a citizen of the Empire, I would have reported you for blasphemy. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.09 00:06:00 -
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What a florid bit of sickly sweet prose for such a putrid pile of crap.
You people are common griefers who choose to bully unarmed and unorganized miners who mean you no harm and who refuse to bow to your extortion demands. Know that bounties work both ways and that sooner or later your victims will bond together, rise up and terminate your reign of terror. |
John Caligan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:02:00 -
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Highsec is a big place, my friend. And not all of it appreciates random people cutting into their profits. And if it gets bad enough, the powers that be might see fit to get involved.
We'll see where your Savior is, when that happens. |
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Bruno Mussolenth
War-Tech Inc. Black Core Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:10:00 -
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I am sorry, "New Order", but I certainly believe that given the recent CONCORD changes regarding bounties and crime-hunting you are going to have a bad time.
The very same hostile behaviour you are having against some harmless miners, destroying their ships in Empire space, is going to bounce back to hit you. I am sure there are many capsuleers that are willing to sacrifice their vessels and their security status for a chunk of the bounty many of these miners will have put on you.
Those 10,000,000 ISK you are demanding from each miner may well go to a bounty placed on you. Definitely a better way to spend one's money. |
M Lamia
All Web Investigations
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:15:00 -
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Bruno Mussolenth wrote:I am sorry, "New Order", but I certainly believe that given the recent CONCORD changes regarding bounties and crime-hunting you are going to have a bad time.
The very same hostile behaviour you are having against some harmless miners, destroying their ships in Empire space, is going to bounce back to hit you. I am sure there are many capsuleers that are willing to sacrifice their vessels and their security status for a chunk of the bounty many of these miners will have put on you.
Those 10,000,000 ISK you are demanding from each miner may well go to a bounty placed on you. Definitely a better way to spend one's money.
The New Order and the saviour are perfectly aware of Concords recent policy changes, I suggest you re-read their press statement carefully, as you seem to misunderstand the policy.
Even if we were to assume that filthy none-compliant savages would put forth the isk and ~effort~ required to gank an Agent (which is akin to assuming pigs can fly), the payout for ganking a catalyst is going to be mere pennies. It doesn't matter how big a bounty the Agent has, you only get a fraction of what their vessel is worth.
The New Order are perfectly satisfied with these policy changes, as it aides the Code greatly (as a 20% payout for killing a mackinaw is a lot more than a 20% payout on a cheap throwaway catalyst!). Many believe that aiding the New Order is precisely why Concord made such sweeping changes to their policy so quickly to begin with! |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
236
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Posted - 2012.12.12 12:26:00 -
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John Caligan wrote:Highsec is a big place, my friend. And not all of it appreciates random people cutting into their profits. And if it gets bad enough, the powers that be might see fit to get involved.
We'll see where your Savior is, when that happens. The New Order has heard threats like this before. Sadly for those who propagate them, the unsaved miners are generally too lazy and apathetic to do anything about our movement, and prefer to send endless outraged letters to Concord.
Needless to say, Concord doesn't seem to be particularly worried by these letters, especially considering the recent changes to bounty laws.
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Harry Willie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 22:34:00 -
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Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:John Caligan wrote:Highsec is a big place, my friend. And not all of it appreciates random people cutting into their profits. And if it gets bad enough, the powers that be might see fit to get involved.
We'll see where your Savior is, when that happens. The New Order has heard threats like this before. Sadly for those who propagate them, the unsaved miners are generally too lazy and apathetic to do anything about our movement, and prefer to send endless outraged letters to Concord. Needless to say, Concord doesn't seem to be particularly worried by these letters, especially considering the recent changes to bounty laws.
Actually, the New New Order has already arrived in Kamio and has already starting mowing down the Knights. They don't get pay outs for dieing in a fire without a kill to go with it, so I'm thinking they will burn out soon when its too hard to kill an unarmed ship before getting blown up.
Kainotomiu Ronuken is James 315 is Currin ... a known scammer. In the end I believe this guy will be disappearing with his 27 or more billion isk he's scammed from his shareholders so far. I can't wait for the other shoe to drop.
The New New Order has started its cleaning of Kamio. Everyone is invited to attend. We've got about 22 corporations and organizations making their way there now. I don't think you will find great fights, but you will definitely find something to shoot. Gankers tend to flee when the other guy has guns.
Take care and Long Live the New New Order and out with the Old Newb Order. Let's get to the job of actually cleaning up highsec. |
Lin Suizei
Blood Ravens Tactical Group
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Posted - 2012.12.13 00:16:00 -
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Harry Willie wrote:[quote=Kainotomiu Ronuken]Actually, the New New Order has already arrived in Kamio and has already starting mowing down the Knights. They don't get pay outs for dieing in a fire without a kill to go with it, so I'm thinking they will burn out soon when its too hard to kill an unarmed ship before getting blown up.
You fundamentally mistake the nature of this war. As long as you believe that ISK and Kill-to-Death ratios are of any concern to the Knights of the New Order, you are at best wasting your time. Do your part for a better Highsec tomorrow - kill an AFK miner today! |
Harry Willie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.13 00:41:00 -
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LOL ... ok. |
Lin Suizei
Blood Ravens Tactical Group
6
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Posted - 2012.12.13 01:12:00 -
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Harry Willie wrote:LOL ... ok.
Did you intend to contribute something meaningful to the discussion, or are you once again highlighting why resistance against the New Order has always failed? Do you intend to put action behind your words, or will we simply continue delivering antimatter-based enlightenment to the rebels as we see fit while you continue your idle threats?
You cannot stop the New Order. CONCORD and the Empires have already tried and failed on both counts, what makes you can do better? What are you going to do, kill ships that we intentionally invite CONCORD to attack? Do your part for a better Highsec tomorrow - kill an AFK miner today! |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
298
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Posted - 2012.12.13 01:23:00 -
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Lin Suizei wrote:Harry Willie wrote:LOL ... ok. Did you intend to contribute something meaningful to the discussion, or are you once again highlighting why resistance against the New Order has always failed? Do you intend to put action behind your words, or will we simply continue delivering antimatter-based enlightenment to the rebels as we see fit while you continue your idle threats? You cannot stop the New Order. CONCORD and the Empires have already tried and failed on both counts, what makes you can do better? What are you going to do, kill ships that we intentionally invite CONCORD to attack?
I believe the sentence you are looking for is, "CONCORD and the Empires have not bothered to involve themselves in our racketeering, and it does not appear likely that they will do so in the foreseeable future." If CONCORD or one of the Empires wanted you to go away, you would do so. |
Lazarus Jaeol
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.13 04:16:00 -
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Does an ant have a quarrel with a boot?
I believe you are mistaking your insignificance for some type of immunity, I pity you. |
Rodj Blake
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1171
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Posted - 2012.12.13 19:02:00 -
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I don't know much about this New Order, but I do know that they'll eventually Regret claiming all of highsec as their dominion.
They need to find True Faith and then they will be Touched by the Hand of God, but they probably won't do that and then we'll find that they won't be Here to Stay. They certainly won't set anyone's World in Motion. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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