I'm curious to know how you intend to enforce that code of yours. Secure space is watched over by CONCORD, and they don't consider an offense violating the code. And I don't think you're planning on facing their warships just so you can punish someone who bad talked anotherone. So, how do you intend to enforce it?

yawn!!!

I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane.

yawn!!!

I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane.

The Irony of someone from your organization calling for Order of any sort is hilarious.

Unless that 'order' consists of more displays of dozens of text phalluses in local comms when your members pass by, as I've seen more often than not.

But, as long as it keeps you away from State creches...

I'm curious to know how you intend to enforce that code of yours. Secure space is watched over by CONCORD, and they don't consider an offense violating the code. And I don't think you're planning on facing their warships just so you can punish someone who bad talked anotherone. So, how do you intend to enforce it?

I think you're only "enforcing" your law in high sec, cos A. you're to scared to leave. B. You know you can do nothing in low sec or 0.0 and C. you're insane.

Such things have been tried before and all of them failed miserably.

It would seem that the answer is a mixture of A and B.

The Code can be enforced in a number of ways. Non-Code-compliant miners, for example, can be forced out of mining range by repeatedly hitting their ships with your own. More serious criminals can be punished by blowing up their ships.

And yes, we are willing to face Concord's punishments in the name of enforcing the Code.

all proceeds go to the Savior of Highsec to support his rule

Always a good way to run one's democracy

This New Order is irrelevant.

Naturally, much of the money is returned to the citizens via bounties on insubordinates and subsidising ships.


I'm so sorry to hear you say that.

Capsuleers,
. The Code, and the Order, transcends corporations, alliances, coalitions and empires. All of lawful New Eden (defined as those systems where Concord operates) falls under our rule.

I am sorry, "New Order", but I certainly believe that given the recent CONCORD changes regarding bounties and crime-hunting you are going to have a bad time.

The very same hostile behaviour you are having against some harmless miners, destroying their ships in Empire space, is going to bounce back to hit you. I am sure there are many capsuleers that are willing to sacrifice their vessels and their security status for a chunk of the bounty many of these miners will have put on you.

Those 10,000,000 ISK you are demanding from each miner may well go to a bounty placed on you. Definitely a better way to spend one's money.

Highsec is a big place, my friend. And not all of it appreciates random people cutting into their profits. And if it gets bad enough, the powers that be might see fit to get involved.

We'll see where your Savior is, when that happens.

The New Order has heard threats like this before. Sadly for those who propagate them, the unsaved miners are generally too lazy and apathetic to do anything about our movement, and prefer to send endless outraged letters to Concord.

Needless to say, Concord doesn't seem to be particularly worried by these letters, especially considering the recent changes to bounty laws.

[quote=Kainotomiu Ronuken]Actually, the New New Order has already arrived in Kamio and has already starting mowing down the Knights. They don't get pay outs for dieing in a fire without a kill to go with it, so I'm thinking they will burn out soon when its too hard to kill an unarmed ship before getting blown up.

LOL ... ok.

Did you intend to contribute something meaningful to the discussion, or are you once again highlighting why resistance against the New Order has always failed? Do you intend to put action behind your words, or will we simply continue delivering antimatter-based enlightenment to the rebels as we see fit while you continue your idle threats?

You cannot stop the New Order. CONCORD and the Empires have already tried and failed on both counts, what makes you can do better? What are you going to do, kill ships that we intentionally invite CONCORD to attack?

This 'new order' is so pants on head stupid I don't even know where to begin.

Actually, the New New Order has already arrived in Kamio and has already starting mowing down the Knights. They don't get pay outs for dieing in a fire without a kill to go with it, so I'm thinking they will burn out soon when its too hard to kill an unarmed ship before getting blown up.

Kainotomiu Ronuken is James 315 is Currin ... a known scammer. In the end I believe this guy will be disappearing with his 27 or more billion isk he's scammed from his shareholders so far. I can't wait for the other shoe to drop.

The New New Order has started its cleaning of Kamio. Everyone is invited to attend. We've got about 22 corporations and organizations making their way there now. I don't think you will find great fights, but you will definitely find something to shoot. Gankers tend to flee when the other guy has guns.

Take care and Long Live the New New Order and out with the Old Newb Order. Let's get to the job of actually cleaning up highsec.

I don't know much about this New Order, but I do know that they'll eventually Regret claiming all of highsec as their dominion.

They need to find True Faith and then they will be Touched by the Hand of God, but they probably won't do that and then we'll find that they won't be Here to Stay. They certainly won't set anyone's World in Motion.

Actually, the New New Order has already arrived in Kamio and has already starting mowing down the Knights.

Mowing them down with deadly carebear stares.

Those 10,000,000 ISK you are demanding from each miner may well go to a bounty placed on you. Definitely a better way to spend one's money.

Makes for a better movie, too.

This is probably why James315's personal bounty is well past the one billion ISK point already and he's currently in a corporation consisting of exactly himself.

Not that he doesn't have plenty of flunkies and alts doing his bidding, but it's obvious that there's already so much heat on him that he's being forced to lead through proxy. Rather than proudly serving under his banner they're scattered to the winds and working more or less independently to make smaller targets of themselves.

Which is, if you think about it, pretty much how any halfway sensible terrorist group operates - his included.

Excuse me but, what is a "bot" or a "carebear?" I've never heard of these terms.

'Carebear' is New Order terminology for a capsuleer who spends his (or her) time in solitary, peaceful conditions, relying on established government to protect them from anything they don't like.

As for 'bots' and 'alts', I can't help you there.

'Carebear' is New Order terminology for a capsuleer who spends his (or her) time in solitary, peaceful conditions, relying on established government to protect them from anything they don't like.

As for 'bots' and 'alts', I can't help you there.

And what is wrong with living in peaceful, solitary conditions?

I think your friend may need to be checked by a medical facility for a case of capsuleer dementia.

I have noticed the New order. And the effect a wardec has on your savior. He just disbands his corp and remakes it, Then claims victory. Nice touch. For a coward. Yup i said it.

Misha.

I've yet to see two of James315's flunkies in the same corp as each other, let alone his own. Does this surprise anyone?

Should it surprise anyone? As has been stated before, the New Order transcends corporations and alliances.

Oh no, it's quite clever. If you were all in one place, say James315's own corp, then you'd be too easy to simply wardec. By spreading out all over you make it harder for people to track you down.

Independently operating cells has been the staple of proper terrorist organizations for over three thousand years. Why should your little terrorist organization be any different? I don't expect you to break away from such a proven strategy. It has merit.

If CONCORD or one of the Empires wanted you to go away, you would do so.

Really? When did the empires finally overcome their fear of capsuleers and the power we wield?

What exactly is it this "New Order" trying to accomplish?

May I refer you to the OP?

I was wondering if you could simplify it.

and you hope to accomplish this by...?

This involves everything from forcefully moving the ships of Code-violators to debating the intricacies of the Code with people who are unsure, to performing Concord's duties in destroying criminals themselves.

/sigh

what are code violators?
and which criminals?

no i'm not "trolling" as you call it.
I am just trying to get things put into the simplest terms. The flowerly language of the op makes it too difficult for me to understand what is being said.
Sorry for my ignorance.

who in your organization would be the one who I should speak to about the intricacies of the code?

You petty racketeers can attempt to dress your "movement" up any way you like but, anyone over the Age of Consent recognizes you for what you truly are; yet another small time extortion racket preying on the weak. Your "code" is a farce and your leader a bombastic coward.

I'm simply Shellshocked that anyone would take you seriously.

You petty racketeers can attempt to dress your "movement" up any way you like but, anyone over the Age of Consent recognizes you for what you truly are; yet another small time extortion racket preying on the weak. Your "code" is a farce and your leader a bombastic coward.

I'm simply Shellshocked that anyone would take you seriously.

If our Code is a farce, then why have the ice belts of Kamio been littered with the wrecks of those that oppose us?

If our leader is a bombastic coward, as you label him, then why does he openly challenge those who disagree with him to shoot him down - only to be met by deafening silence? Who has shown bravery here, and who has shown cowardice?

CONCORD.



CONCORD.

Concord is nothing more than an out dated, bloated, corrupt reactionary force to what they perceive as a 'crime' being committed. This no more stops us as Knights of the Order in enforcing The Code, than it would in someone enacting revenge upon us.

Go bump some nullsec mining fleets and we'll see how that works for you, sir.

Nullsec doesn't come into it. We bump your ships, and Concord protects us. We blow you up, and Concord protects you. We do whatever we like regardless of Concord, and there's nothing stopping you from doing the same.

We do whatever we like regardless of Concord, and there's nothing stopping you from doing the same.

I will admit that I do have some sympathy for your cause - inattentive pilots are careless pilots, and careless pilots are a deep hazard. I have no issue with your pursuit of recalcitrant pilots of any sort. My issue deals more with your harassment of peaceable and harmless industrialists, whom you shamelessly extort. Were you to avoid the latter and focus solely on the former, I would have little cause for concern.

As you said, inattentive pilots are careless pilots, and careless pilots are a deep hazard. Therefore, we take every measure we can to destroy them, so they do not present any further hazard to the wider capsuleer community.

Nullsec doesn't come into it.

Of course not, because the nullsec alliances would squash you like insects in a nanosecond.

Meanwhile... as of this morning the bounties on the bumptards in this thread alone is up to 176,200,818 ISK

the sybian: 53,000,000 ISK
LordShazbot: 50,610,001 ISK
Lin Suizei: 44,590,817 ISK
Kainotomiu Ronuken: 15,000,000 ISK
Erika Mayne Bounty: 5,000,000 ISK
TheGunSlinger42: 4,000,000 ISK
M Lamia: 0
Ammit Thoth: 0

The last two disappoint me... but I'm sure someone else will take care of that in no time, now that everyone has been made aware. But again, this is the real reason why nullsec or even lowsec never comes into it. These guys look like pretty juicy targets to those who hunt heads for a living.

Still, none of this compares to James315 himself, who has accrued a bounty of 1,673,407,804 ISK on his head by himself. I take it he doesn't get out much.

Moral of the story: Never annoy people with deep pockets.

Ah, the lure of cheap demagoguery ...

As a matter of fact, we don't worry about nullsec because, as stated earlier, we're perfectly happy with the state of affairs in nullsec. We are not happy with highsec. Therefore, we change highsec.

Sir, would you mind stating again why you are not happy with highsec?

Capsuleers,

Many of you may already have heard of the New Order of High Security Space. Some of you have not. In any case, the Order has yet to be publicly announced in the Intergalactic Summit, so, as an Agent of the Order, I am taking it upon myself to introduce it. Feel free to ask questions; my fellow Agents and I shall do our best to answer them.

What is the New Order?

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To put it simply, the New Order is a group of capsuleers who believe in the principles put forth in the New Halaima Code of Conduct, as set down by the Lord and Saviour of Highsec, James 315. The Code, and the Order, transcends corporations, alliances, coalitions and empires. All of lawful New Eden (defined as those systems where Concord operates) falls under our rule.

James 315 and the Agents of the New Order believe that capsuleers everywhere should not focus only on personal profit, but also on doing their best to improve the community of New Eden and to raise the standard of living of your average capsuleer - to become 'good people', if you like. We take the view that many capsuleers could improve themselves simply by being held to a higher standard of conduct. The New Halaima Code of Conduct provides that standard - and the New Order enforces it.

The New Order is, of course, a democratic organisation. The Code was written and agreed to by the entire community of New Highsec. Of course, it would be impractical for tens of thousands of capsuleers to collaborate on one document, so James himself, in his position as elected Savior and Representative of Highsec, acted as a proxy when drafting the Code.

How does the New Order affect you?

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If you are already a good and upstanding member of the capsuleer elite, then the New Order will hardly affect you at all - other than in enforcing similar standards for everyone else, which should cause a noticeable improvement in your life as a capsuleer.

If you do not already, then the New Order expects you to follow the values outlined in the [url=http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.htmlNew Halaima Code of Conduct[/url]. In brief, this involves respect for all fellow capsuleers, not engaging in activities to excessiveness - we want well-rounded people in our systems - and keeping your public communication clean and decent. You are required to accept all the lifestyles that a capsuleer might potentially follow, from suicide warfare to joining a militia to upholding the Code itself.

If you are one of the many capsuleers who reside exclusively in low- or null-security space, then the Code is not enforced, as such. However, the New Order still recommends following the Code, as you will find yourself becoming a better person overall and an asset to your community.

How can you aid the New Order?

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Become an Agent.

The most direct way that you can aid the New Order of Highsec is to become an Agent and uphold the Code yourself. This involves everything from forcefully moving the ships of Code-violators to debating the intricacies of the Code with people who are unsure, to performing Concord's duties in destroying criminals themselves. As an Agent, who can expect to travel New Eden, visit all four empires and see multitudes of different types of capsuleers. Ships and ammunition are often subsidised by the New Order, and you can expect to make a profit from the fees taken from violators of the Code.

Become a Shareholder.

For those of you who have more ISK than time, you too can support the New Order by purchasing shares. Shares cost no more than one million ISK each, and all proceeds go to the Savior of Highsec to support his rule. Shareholders are publicly recognised as contributors to the cause, and are also permitted to take part in Shareholder Votes (one share is equivalent to one vote), which display the truly democratic nature of the Order in voting on tricky interpretations of the Code as well as future New Order policies.

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Thank you. Please feel free to ask any questions that you feel I have not sufficiently answered.

Sorry, I was editing my post while you posted your response. I was hoping ot hear the rationale of the Manifesto stated in a few plain words, but that's alright. I'll read it again.

Please note my edited post's matter of the inattentive null sec miners.

The null sec miners face what we feel to be an adequate amount of danger as a result of mining in nullsec. The highsec miners do not. We aim to correct that.

I see. I agree that null sec pilots in general face an adequate amount of danger. As compared to New Order pilots who never venture to leave high sec. Perhaps adding some danger via bounties will correct that.

If this were truly about creating a better society, it wouldn't come at a cost of ISK. The ideal is somewhat noble in a sense, but the fact that you require miners to buy a license from a non-government entity and claim to have jurisdiction over all is off setting. 'Buy my license and obey my rules or face harassment at the hands of my goons' is not the calling card of a righteous cause. Its extortion and racketeering.

Feel free to place bounties. Many of our Agents regard them as badges of honour.

The ISK does not represent value to Agents of the New Order (10 million ISK is peanuts to any self-respecting capsuleer) but rather to the miners. By giving up the money, a miner has declared that he has overcome his disproportionate love of cash and is willing to begin a new life as a well-balanced individual.

Sir.

Never thought I'd see a thing of such enthralling beauty as your reply, here.

I'll write that again. Enthralling.

Yes.

Sincerely,

A.A., Phrenologist.

The ISK does not represent value to Agents of the New Order (10 million ISK is peanuts to any self-respecting capsuleer) but rather to the miners. By giving up the money, a miner has declared that he has overcome his disproportionate love of cash and is willing to begin a new life as a well-balanced individual.

Nothing is "wrong" with living in peaceful, solitary conditions. Miners who mine in accordance with the New Halaima Code of Conduct are free to spend as much time in peaceful, solitary conditions as they see fit. We offer this choice freely to all residents of high security space. While many have seen the light and now mine peacefully, uninterrupted by either bump or gank, many others continue to be belligerent undesirables in our space, and continue to violate the Code.

For these wayward souls, we have no remaining option but to destroy their ships. We do not wish them violence - indeed, we extend to them the offer of friendship - but they actively refuse to embrace the Order and it's Code, and in doing so, force us to strike them down. In this, we serve a similar role to CONCORD and the DED - both as protectors of high security space, and consequences for code violators.

Indeed, it is our enemies who require the services of a medical professional to check for capsuleer dementia - their actions more closely mimicing that of the rampant Drone or heavily-damaged True Slave than the capsuleer like you or I, Ms Ambraelle.

Of course not, because the nullsec alliances would squash you like insects in a nanosecond.

Meanwhile... as of this morning the bounties on the bumptards in this thread alone is up to 176,200,818 ISK

the sybian: 53,000,000 ISK
LordShazbot: 50,610,001 ISK
Lin Suizei: 44,590,817 ISK
Kainotomiu Ronuken: 15,000,000 ISK
Erika Mayne Bounty: 5,000,000 ISK
TheGunSlinger42: 4,000,000 ISK
M Lamia: 0
Ammit Thoth: 0

The last two disappoint me... but I'm sure someone else will take care of that in no time, now that everyone has been made aware. But again, this is the real reason why nullsec or even lowsec never comes into it. These guys look like pretty juicy targets to those who hunt heads for a living.

Still, none of this compares to James315 himself, who has accrued a bounty of 1,673,407,804 ISK on his head by himself. I take it he doesn't get out much.

Moral of the story: Never annoy people with deep pockets.

Those bounty amounts are just sad. With the exception of Jim 315's, which is pretty nice. 100mil isk will correct some of these deficiencies at my soonest opportunity, i.e. when I log on this evening.

Comrades, please place a bounty of 10mil isk or higher on the bumpist of your choice. 10mil-- the amount they demand in extortion fees. Many hands make light work. Many small bounties placed add up. Thank you.

Really, though, don't you think you're wasting your precious ISK? I mean, a bounty is only as effective as the guns of those who wish to claim it, and my hull is Invincible.

Anslo, all of those kills took place in 0.0 during fleet fights. They don't have much to do with his work as a New Order agent. They don't have anything to do with it, in fact.

You're being facetious. Stop.

It would seem that the answer is a mixture of A and B.

If you blowhards really wanted to make a difference then you'd go after the thousands of automated mining ships operating freely in null sec. The fact is that you're going after soft targets in high sec because you're cowards and petty criminals.

If this were truly about creating a better society, it wouldn't come at a cost of ISK. The ideal is somewhat noble in a sense, but the fact that you require miners to buy a license from a non-government entity and claim to have jurisdiction over all is off setting. 'Buy my license and obey my rules or face harassment at the hands of my goons' is not the calling card of a righteous cause. Its extortion and racketeering.

This thread is a month old and I didn't know about it !?

153 billion in rebel assets destroyed. The current record stands at 15 billion in one day, on Jan 11, 2013.

The loot fairy frowned upon our Triple-Faction-Invuln Mackinaw kill.

Thank you New Order for making things unfun!
You are sure accomplishing...goals.... yeah

Seems the miner bumper fad is dying. Miners gonna mine. Bumpers gonna... go do something else.

I'm unsure as to whether or not you mean the New Order or just the bumping section of the New Order. If you mean just the bumping, you'd be correct that bumping has somewhat decreased; we feel that anyone who has not yet joined the Order deserves more severe punishment than bumping. If you mean the New Order, then you're wrong.

Let me restate what you said
" Ya, we like being dicks!"
What miserably wretches you all really are.