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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:37:00 -
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hey CCP whilst you are fixing things please give us back unlimited saved fittings coz 50 is nowhere near enuff    |

Marcus Wilde
HellHound's INVICTUS ALLIANCE
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:31:00 -
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+1 |

Gempei
Siberian Khatru.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 21:47:00 -
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50+ only for AUR |

Malken
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
15
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:55:00 -
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being a character that can fly almost all subcap ships and who likes to have a couple of different setups on all ships 50 is a silly number.
why cant setups be loaded of a local list? as it is used in stations the lag cant be an issue as CCP manages to maximize lag with CQ anyway.
[img]http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/0703/malken_force.jpg[/img]
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Circumstantial Evidence
6
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:31:00 -
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This has been demanded ever since the Fearless newsletter leak revealed the 50 limit to be an arbitrary choice. This cap makes no sense because we are allowed near unlimited notes storage.
AN EASY FIX FOR TEAM BFF!
Not only do I want to store my own fittings, but, I like to share others that have been recommended, that I can't even fly, with corp-mates who might ask "What's a good _____ fit?" |

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
74
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:32:00 -
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Yeah when are we getting more CONVENIENCE items such as FITTING SERVER SIDE STORAGE SLOTS in the NEXT STORE?
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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:45:00 -
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Miilla wrote: Yeah when are we getting more CONVENIENCE items such as FITTING SERVER SIDE STORAGE SLOTS in the NEXT STORE?
fork the nex store why the hell should we pay extra money for somthing we used to get as standard in game |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:31:00 -
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bump give us more than 50 fittings bk plz |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:33:00 -
[9] - Quote
Strangly enough only really smal percentage of players who actually use "save" fitting window use more then 50 setups.. its like less then two percent..
So i suggest you delete or your eft warrioring setups and you are down to 5 viable fits for your daily use. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
79
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:47:00 -
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zzzczyzoznzoz wrote:Miilla wrote: Yeah when are we getting more CONVENIENCE items such as FITTING SERVER SIDE STORAGE SLOTS in the NEXT STORE?
fork the nex store why the hell should we pay extra money for somthing we used to get as standard in game
cause having them saved server side was never an existing feature.... The Drake is a Lie |

BLACK-STAR
113
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:50:00 -
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why cant we get a few hundred or unlimited fittings just as default/free....? paying AUR for something that we had more before and taken away is dumb. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:50:00 -
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so any devs got anything to say about the 50+ fittings we used to have but now dont |

T'KNaath
Steel Dawn Inc.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:58:00 -
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Being a character that can almost fly all ships, with the exception of Caldari and Gallente Capitals. 50 saved setups is no where near enough.
+1 from me
We need unlimited saved fits.
-TK |

Nebula Terron
Wolf's in Sheep's Clothing
5
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:05:00 -
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Miilla wrote: Yeah when are we getting more CONVENIENCE items such as FITTING SERVER SIDE STORAGE SLOTS in the NEXT STORE?
today only, special offer 5 fitting slots for 10 Monocles, get it now!
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Maggeridon Thoraz
Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:20:00 -
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for me they can leave the 50 server side limit but hell, give at least the option to save then on my local harddrive then before.
why not haveing a third dropdown menu called local where i have all other fittings then. this cannot be so hard to code.
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Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
6
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Posted - 2011.10.08 23:41:00 -
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Previous thread on the subject. |

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
8
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:55:00 -
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I thought the same thing that you mentioned there. I continuously go over my 50 fittings, another thing it would be great if they fixed. |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.10.11 21:59:00 -
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bumping bk to top for 50 + fittings like we used to have |

Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
8
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:43:00 -
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This was also my understanding of the feature.
+1 for making this happen. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option. |

Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:46:00 -
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up ^ | |

Aramatheia
Traveler 52 D-Collective
5
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:49:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Strangly enough only really smal percentage of players who actually use "save" fitting window use more then 50 setups.. its like less then two percent..
So i suggest you delete or your eft warrioring setups and you are down to 5 viable fits for your daily use.
definately not an eft warrior but i save my fits of the ships i fly + fits of ships i am looking to or actually am training into so i can compare as well as get instant reminders to what prereq skill to train to 5 next. That said as a 3-4 month old character im already pushing 42 fittings. I dont really want to have to say, delete my mission cruiser fits or my salvager destroyer fits just so i can get my loki fit + a guide or 2 once i am ready for that training
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
354
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:52:00 -
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**** server side bullshit, give me unlimited local you bastards. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |

cyclobs
Loud Curse Enterprises
4
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:59:00 -
[23] - Quote
+1
Bring back locally stored fittings |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.12 22:28:00 -
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bumping bk to top so a dev can answer will we ever get 50 + fittings bk |

Xuse Senna
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.12 22:41:00 -
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Yeah.... I need more.... Only been playing 2 or 3 months and I have no space xD http://tinyurl.com/Qucked
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non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
43
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Posted - 2011.10.13 00:22:00 -
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Oh darn... When I first saw this topic, I thought it was fittings for people who are 50 and over. |

Zleon Leigh
13
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Posted - 2011.10.13 03:07:00 -
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+1 to OP
limit of 50 hampers me greatly - as a new player friends gave me fits as guidance for future play. I can't even begin to keep all the examples/counter-examples that they gave me., but i think 100 would be about right Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |

Cynter DeVries
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.10.13 04:14:00 -
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Zleon Leigh wrote:+1 to OP
limit of 50 hampers me greatly - as a new player friends gave me fits as guidance for future play. I can't even begin to keep all the examples/counter-examples that they gave me., but i think 100 would be about right No, not that...
Kytayn wrote:It doesn't really matter if you keep the limit at 50 on the server (personally I had more than 150 fittings of all sorts). When CCP announced the feature for server-side fittings, they mentioned that your remaining fittings would be stored off to an export file and so still accessible. And so they were.
The trouble is, to use any of those fittings, you have to pick one of your current fittings to delete, then pull up the XML and uncheck the ninety nine items you don't want to import.
It shouldn't work that way. In the UI, let me have three sets: Corp, Personal, and Local. Local would be an unlimited store, but I could browse it the same way I can browse Personal or Corporate fittings. No deleting, no file management, no import. They'd just be loaded from my local directory.
When I read that CCP were imposing this restriction, I thought this was what they'd do. I was disappointed. This. |

Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
7
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Posted - 2011.10.13 16:46:00 -
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Cynter DeVries wrote:Zleon Leigh wrote:+1 to OP
limit of 50 hampers me greatly - as a new player friends gave me fits as guidance for future play. I can't even begin to keep all the examples/counter-examples that they gave me., but i think 100 would be about right No, not that... Kytayn wrote:It doesn't really matter if you keep the limit at 50 on the server (personally I had more than 150 fittings of all sorts). When CCP announced the feature for server-side fittings, they mentioned that your remaining fittings would be stored off to an export file and so still accessible. And so they were.
The trouble is, to use any of those fittings, you have to pick one of your current fittings to delete, then pull up the XML and uncheck the ninety nine items you don't want to import.
It shouldn't work that way. In the UI, let me have three sets: Corp, Personal, and Local. Local would be an unlimited store, but I could browse it the same way I can browse Personal or Corporate fittings. No deleting, no file management, no import. They'd just be loaded from my local directory.
When I read that CCP were imposing this restriction, I thought this was what they'd do. I was disappointed. This.
It occurs to me, although the devs never communicated this, that a reason for the change in the first place was to eliminate the upload-push-download that occurs when someone shares a fitting by link in the chat window. Now it's just a link to an item in the DB.
If CCP were to make the UI work as I described earlier, the simple fix would be to make "Local" fittings unavailable for drag-and-drop linking in chat or mail. |

Zleon Leigh
13
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Posted - 2011.10.13 21:57:00 -
[30] - Quote
^^ This - much better.
@Cynter & Kytayn- thanks for the additional illumination Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |

Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 23:31:00 -
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I support CCP selling extra fitting slots for AUR.
(And yes, I'm being serious.) The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |

BLACK-STAR
142
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:09:00 -
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No.... will not bend over for additional slots for AUR. that's ridiculous.
Unlimited because we can store unlimited browser bookmarks locally to our hdd. A Few hundred server-side fittings would be nice, because this isn't a _space_ issue, their tiny files stored like our notes, like origin bookmarks.
would be very lame if ccp forced us to pay AUR for something so basic. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2011.10.14 15:58:00 -
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hey devs / team bff are we going to get 50+ fittings
no i dont want to have to buy extra with aur
we used to have unlimited fittings for free so bring it back
say no to aur for anything apart from space barbie |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
149
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:14:00 -
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Yo peeps - the devs have already answered this. Nobody uses their max fittings - its an extremely low percentage of players. There is a noisy few on the forums that blow this issue out of proportion, like most forum complaints, but CCP has already stated there isn't a pressing reason to "fix" this since effectively most players dont even use the fittings they have.
A lot of experienced PvP-ers refit their ships manually from memory, since they're making adjustments based on immediate fleet needs or an adapting enemy anyways. Using cookie-cutter ship fittings is mostly only helpful if you're fitting a stack of ships and need to save time.
Unless you can convince another 200,000 players to start pushing their saved fittings to the max, this isn't going to have time spent on it any time soon. |

Barakkus
816
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Posted - 2011.10.14 16:54:00 -
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Yes plz, thnx. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
2

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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:22:00 -
[36] - Quote
It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough 
The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed.
The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description? |
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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:30:00 -
[37] - Quote
wow a dev replyed i really didnt expect that
nice 1 ccp tuxford 
CCP Tuxford wrote:It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough  The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed. The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
yes to a extent eg
ratting 2x neut frig killer that kind of thing
so how about this for a compromise
Kytayn wrote: It doesn't really matter if you keep the limit at 50 on the server (personally I had more than 150 fittings of all sorts). When CCP announced the feature for server-side fittings, they mentioned that your remaining fittings would be stored off to an export file and so still accessible. And so they were.
The trouble is, to use any of those fittings, you have to pick one of your current fittings to delete, then pull up the XML and uncheck the ninety nine items you don't want to import.
It shouldn't work that way. In the UI, let me have three sets: Corp, Personal, and Local. Local would be an unlimited store, but I could browse it the same way I can browse Personal or Corporate fittings. No deleting, no file management, no import. They'd just be loaded from my local directory.
When I read that CCP were imposing this restriction, I thought this was what they'd do. I was disappointed. |
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CCP Tuxford
C C P C C P Alliance
3

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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:45:00 -
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zzzczyzoznzoz wrote:
It shouldn't work that way. In the UI, let me have three sets: Corp, Personal, and Local. Local would be an unlimited store, but I could browse it the same way I can browse Personal or Corporate fittings. No deleting, no file management, no import. They'd just be loaded from my local directory.
It's funny that the first implementation of the feature had exactly these three things. In the end we deemed it just overly complicated to have personal fittings stored on your HDD and personal fittings stored on the server DB so we decided that corp fittings would be stored on the server and personal fittings on the HDD.
I personally don't mind having these three things especially if the complexity can be hidden. For example save the first 50 to the DB but after that explain to the user that the rest will be saved locally.
At this point the easiest solution is probably to simply raise the amount of fittings you can save 
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/CCP%20Tuxford/StatusUpdates |
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T'KNaath
Steel Dawn Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 22:50:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Yo peeps - the devs have already answered this. Nobody uses their max fittings - its an extremely low percentage of players. There is a noisy few on the forums that blow this issue out of proportion, like most forum complaints, but CCP has already stated there isn't a pressing reason to "fix" this since effectively most players dont even use the fittings they have.A lot of experienced PvP-ers refit their ships manually from memory, since they're making adjustments based on immediate fleet needs or an adapting enemy anyways. Using cookie-cutter ship fittings is mostly only helpful if you're fitting a stack of ships and need to save time. Unless you can convince another 200,000 players to start pushing their saved fittings to the max, this isn't going to have time spent on it any time soon.
I use my 50. And my alts 50... as I have a lot of setups I like to use from time to time in different situations. The more common ones I use tho are in my head and I adapt them as I need, but still 50 Is defiantly not enough. I doubt it can be that small of a percentage. As most people I know also have the same issue.
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Bienator II
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
191
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:04:00 -
[40] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=185427#post185427
Quote:50 fittings:
- keep the limit if you like but add an "external fittings" folder - third party tools may dump fittings there, those are not stored on the server - client notices updates automatically, no new ui required problem solved :) You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

BLACK-STAR
153
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:16:00 -
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CCP Tuxford, the description field is semi useless because it erases itself all the time. I do use it for listing some ammo links or alt mods links, on occasion for special note.
KEEP descriptions for local storage as they don't even show up anyways to other people (if you can make them not erase themselves every edit on some part of the fitting would be nice)
OMIT descriptions for server side storage.
Please put a search bar in the fitting window sometime when possible, after you got our unlimited fittings back. ppl like myself use abbreviations on shipnames for different purposes, so recalling an assorted list of ships under that name would be nice than expanding and collapsing categories.
Thank you Tuxford. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
70
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Posted - 2011.10.14 23:45:00 -
[42] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote: The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
I usually don't on personal fittings.
Corporate fittings however would really benefit from keeping these on here, but even then I'm not sure how many people would read the corp descriptions... people tend to get lazy about reading things.
Other than that... I can say I'd rather have more fitting slots and no descriptions, than the other way around.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |

mkint
144
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:20:00 -
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Moving fittings to the server in the first place was wrong. Then arbitrarily punishing us for it was extra wrong. Then rolling it out with a bug that deleted all your fittings was super extra wrong. You think maybe people have fewer fittings now because they have no faith that you're not just going to f*ck it up again? Iconic example of CCP taking something that works beautifully and screwing it up just so they can pad their resumes.
Revert the whole damned thing. Cache, settings, and overview files are all stored locally. Fittings are better stored locally too. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
155
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Posted - 2011.10.15 01:25:00 -
[44] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough  The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed. The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
Have one tab for local fits, and one tab for server fits.
Problem fixed k thx. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |

Circumstantial Evidence
7
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:45:00 -
[45] - Quote
I think a 32 char limit on fit descriptions would be sufficient for most cases. I use lots of abbreviations :)
I had about 150 fits saved, before they became much harder to manage. CCP giveth, CCP taketh away.
(repeating from earlier post) Not only do I want to store my own fittings, but, I like to share others that have been recommended, that I can't even fly, with corp-mates who might ask "What's a good _____ fit?"
I definitely like the original concept of server-side storage; makes reinstalling or using another computer much less hassle.
additionally: 1. Bookmark FOLDERS should be server side, with the bookmarks! 2. Market Quickbar (item references, and folders)
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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
413
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Posted - 2011.10.15 07:55:00 -
[46] - Quote
I dont use the description personally and I think if people could have more fitting slots rather than have the option of the description box on each fitting they would probably be quite happy to see it go.
The thing I wonder about is WHY ON EARTH did you feel the need to move fittings server side in the first place. Most of the time fittings are used for personal convenience when fitting out ships and I really don't understand the reasoning behind limiting them and making them server side. GÖÑ Haviing your portrait painted here helps INTAKI Disabled Children GÖÑ |

xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
58
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Posted - 2011.10.15 08:41:00 -
[47] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough  The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed. The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
label yes, description no.
I would really really really like about 100 fittings btw.
I can fly all ships in the game (minus titans) and I really dont like the 50 cap Nerfing supers is not going to help the N+1/Blob problem. It will just mean that superpilots will be even more likely to want to blob. Think more creatively. Support the idea of a subcap "assault bomber." |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
71
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Posted - 2011.10.15 14:55:00 -
[48] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:At this point the easiest solution is probably to simply raise the amount of fittings you can save 
More is never enough!
I'd say 100 Fittings is probably reasonable for the average Bitter Vet that you see in here.
I can fly probably 60% of the ships in the game - and have multiple fittings for each. 100 At least rounds out nicely.
Do 100, if we keep complaining, then you can see about appeasing our insane desires further.
 NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |

Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:38:00 -
[49] - Quote
I don't care where it is saved, as long as i can have more then 50. |

Alakazam
Skid-Row
2
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:04:00 -
[50] - Quote
When ship fittings first was introduced I gave it a try and found it very very useful.
I can use/deploy a ship in many different roles so this was excellent functionality for someone like me who don't own a lot of ships but would like to quickly change fittings for different scenarios depending on adversary.
So 50... it's not a lot because for me a ship can have a pvp fitting for each of the different races, and in role.
I.e gallente shipType vs (Amarr, Caldari, Minmatarr or gallente) shipType
and then there is the role variable I would like to factor in
Let roles be of (pvp, pve, ew, bait, gank, mining, exploring etc)
gallente shipType Role vs (race shipType role)
so quickly it accumulate different setups I would like to store.
So, for a ship like the Astarte I hit the limit pretty fast, deemed the fitting functionality useless because I can't use more than X fittings (should be unlimited :)
instead I refit as fast as I can for the proper scenario which sometimes cost me the fight.. |

Circumstantial Evidence
9
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
Fitting Validation:
You can reduce server hit for the check against skills, by making the player request it: add a "validate" or "check skills" button to the fitting window. I certainly don't care about this, when I'm linking fits for other people. |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2011.10.15 18:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
Miilla wrote: Yeah when are we getting more CONVENIENCE items such as FITTING SERVER SIDE STORAGE SLOTS in the NEXT STORE?
When you'll stop posting. |

Kytayn
Kronos TEchnologies
8
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Posted - 2011.10.15 19:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough  The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed. The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description? I use the description occasionally to track who I got the fitting from and what it's for. PvP solo, PvP fleet, PvE... etc. I keep track of who I got it from to weight the merits of the fit given what I know of the pilot (or in the case where I may face them in combat). Most of the time, though, I try to put this information in the fitting name. |

Sofia Bellard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
Never.
Poor sad little pirates, -áwhy you so mad? |

rootimus maximus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
The only issue with raising the number of fittings we can store on the server, is that we're going to be back here in a few months because lots of people have managed to hit 100 (or 150, or 9,000) fittings saved.
Having some server-side is convenient, but I'd really like the option to save them locally instead. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
82
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Posted - 2011.10.15 20:52:00 -
[56] - Quote
CCP Tuxford, I never even noticed the description tab. I usually just use the fitting name as my description.
I think many people do not max out to 50 fittings so if they suddenly need to save one more, there is a place for it. Later they go and clear out some old ones to insure they got the room. Saying no one needs bigger hard drives because very few people have used up every byte on their drive is not a good argument.
If we had say 200 fittings and very few made use of the extra fittings, would it be a big DB hit? CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |

JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
Obvious is Obvious.
More fittings for AUR.
Lets make some cash. |

Maggeridon Thoraz
Selectus Pravus Lupus Transmission Lost
1
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Posted - 2011.10.15 21:21:00 -
[58] - Quote
at first fix save fitting.
i like to have my grouping and charges as well fitted before i stripped evrything down if i load a saved fit. then include a dropdwon menu local for saving your fit. make fitting convienant for using... |

Gox24
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.15 22:16:00 -
[59] - Quote
i have 20 tengu fittings alone for all the different things i like to use them for, would love some space for less used fits.
Used to be handy to ask in corp or alliance if someone had a fit for your bizarre idea, generally someone had already thought of it and had some ideas for you, now its just standard fits that most people seem to save.
Bring back unlimited saved loadouts!!! |

BLACK-STAR
155
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Posted - 2011.10.15 23:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:I'd say 100 Fittings is probably reasonable for the average Bitter Vet that you see in here. I can fly probably 60% of the ships in the game - and have multiple fittings for each. 100 At least rounds out nicely. Do 100, if we keep complaining, then you can see about appeasing our insane desires further.  0/10
- massive sighs -
People don't read or understand, read, or obviously don't use the fitting system.... _100_ fittings enough for vets? Obviously you are far from VET.
_1000_ / unlimited. Nobody is interested in threadnaughts over fittings and everyone doesn't want to fight CCP for basic functions back and forth on the forums.
It certainly doesn't help when randoms post "lols if ccp makes it 51 fittings i will be happy" or "lols ccp I'll pay you money for more" Stop encouraging CCP to make poor decisions.
[img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:28:00 -
[61] - Quote
back to the top |

Alice Saki
Ducklings
18
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Posted - 2011.10.18 00:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
+1 My Null Roams.... Badger MKII :D They all-áHate my Stabby Badger... xD |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.19 00:08:00 -
[63] - Quote
yay for ship spining
oh dam it wont work my ship wont spin oh well at least i got the old hanger view bk
ps bump bk to top |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
105
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Posted - 2011.10.20 16:38:00 -
[64] - Quote
@ the original Dev that was responding here...
Let me make my point about 50 Fittings not being sufficient with this screenshot :
50 Fittings? or 1 Fitting each?
Look at the numbers of ships per fitting category, and you'll see that most only have 1 fitting - then you have 15 frigate fittings (I like my frigates) and 8 Command ship fittings and 5 T1 cruiser fittings.
I can barely fit in 1 of any other ship category, and only 2 Battlecruisers.
I would like to be able to hold multiple fittings for other ship categories, but instead I'm shoe-horned into not being able to setup options for my PVP boats.
50 seems like a big number, but it's really not that sufficient.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |

Barakkus
856
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:25:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Tuxford wrote:It makes me sort of glad that some of you at least are using this feature up to that point that 50 fittings are not enough  The limit that was picked was fairly arbitrary but not the reason for having a limit was not. The fittings are stored on the DB and need to be fetched from there and moved to the client. For exactly how many we can have we have to consider two things. How big is the table actually going to get and network traffic. In addition to that we are doing some fairly poor job at loading them up (tallying up required skills for all fitted types and seeing if you meet the requirements). That however if fairly easily fixed. The network traffic is the one that concerns me most especially as we have to consider that you can have a long description on these. So I'll ask you this simple question is there anyone that actually uses the description?
I'm kind of curious about how much information you're transmitting to the client to begin with.
Really you should only be sending enough information to fill out the list of fittings, not all of the fittings to start off with. When someone picks a fitting to look at, then transmit the entire fitting for just that one ship and store it to the cache. You won't really have to worry about the traffic at that point. 32 bytes plus maybe 4 bytes for the ID of the fitting should be sufficient and not cause any network traffic issues. Only retrieve the list once per session or expiry period (maybe 24 hours), cache it (and cache the changes that occur during the session/expiry period).
A properly indexed and partitioned table(s) should handle a few million records fairly easily without much of a delay retrieving bits of the data for a single player. You probably would want to store the list of fittings in one table and the actual detail to the fittings elsewhere since the list will get refreshed by the client more often than the actual fittings themselves.
All that extra stuff with skills you mentioned should only be done upon viewing a fitting, results cached. The cache for that information should be invalidated when skills complete training or clones are changed.
Just my 2 cents, all just speculation on how you might want to consider doing it...I have no real knowledge about how things are structured on the backend, so I could be completely wrong on how you would want to deal with your above mentioned concerns. |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2011.10.22 11:53:00 -
[66] - Quote
bk to the top coz i feel eve should have more than the verry small amount of 50 fittings , it just nowhere near enuff |

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
21
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Posted - 2011.10.22 21:20:00 -
[67] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:I support CCP selling extra fitting slots for AUR.
(And yes, I'm being serious.)
IF they introduced a Free-to-play option aimed at new players* certainly they should leave out things like the ablityt to save fittings from the free verions (the current F2P option of using plex is not really doable for any but mega power gamer types---scamming, trading, or belining to lvl 4s and playing huge boring hours to "earn" the right to play)
BUT, the Fittings limits without isk/aurum was by far one of the most off-putting parts of the Fearless "devils advocate" presentation by the senior developer.
with hardly any qualification, he raised the notion that game convenience should be withheld as a means for inducing incrementally more convenience in scale with how much aurum paid, with the decision of whether limmting such convenience to those who pay isk instead would have been the choice in the absence of the revenue model.
The notion of Free vs Premium, and having a a package of convenience features for a flat premium fee is well tested and works in many games. The game is mostly designed with the premium in mind..
An ala carte option with the more people pay, the smoother game play is from them, and a purposeful witholding of levels of convenience from "premium players" begins to warp the very premise that their goal is to provide the most entertaining game they can with resources available to them. It sets up an uncessary and ingrained conflict of interest that creates a question before releasing any improvment "can we tier this improvement in a way to charge for it?"
Those sort of motivations create an entirely different view of customers and game design of such a clearly insidous level that they shouldn't have even been raised in a devils advocate piece looking for ways to maximize free to play revenue....or at least they didn't need to be because playing devils advocate means making the most rational argument, not making extreme and facetious proposals.
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BLACK-STAR
179
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Posted - 2011.10.23 08:41:00 -
[68] - Quote
I noticed that on the winter expansion page there is nothing mentioned about optimal local and server side fittings.
Just crossing my fingers is all.
Also my statements still stand on the front about ISK/AUR over +fittings. CCP wouldn't make it any harder on themselves to program that transaction mess. Nobody would be happy about an internal fee or tax on basics, honestly.
[img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

seany1212
Mind Games. 0ccupational Hazzard
17
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Posted - 2011.10.23 09:35:00 -
[69] - Quote
I've been playing nearly 4 years and I've only just noticed the description box... Is that bad?  |

Louis deGuerre
Malevolence. Void Alliance
48
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Posted - 2011.10.23 10:10:00 -
[70] - Quote
I use 50 fittings and it is very annoying to micromanage now. I can fly almost every ship in the game, of course 50 fittings is a joke. I never use the description so just get rid of that, no problemo. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! |

Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:16:00 -
[71] - Quote
+1
I'd even be happy to pay AUR for unlimited fittings. I happen to have 3500 AUR in my wallet that I can't find anything imaginative or interesting enough to pay for in the NeX store, so ... |

Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
38
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Posted - 2011.10.23 11:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
How about moving all personal fittings back to the local client and then move more useful things like overview settings server side? Anastasia -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á Dominique-á-á Mashie -á-á Monica |

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
111
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Posted - 2011.10.23 18:05:00 -
[73] - Quote
The real Irony is that they're worried about space and network traffic...
but apparently not even 70% get anywhere near the max fitting limit - but the rest of us have to suffer with less fitting space... uhm... clearly the other 70% isn't going to start mysteriously filling up the OTHER 90 fitting slits that they don't use if you raise it to 100. So there is no issue because the system isn't being saturated.
NOSTRO AURUM NON EST AURUM VULGI |

Tacyon
The Phayder Corporation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:10:00 -
[74] - Quote
thumbs up for moving the personal fittings back to local HDD storage. This 50 limit as basically kept me from using the fittings library. I don't really use it that much any more since it got horked.
There is no "new programming" or "CCP would be giving up..X." this would be giving back what we once had.
the xml coding is very loose, has anyone tried to zip em for storage?
I periodically export mine and zip to storage. Makes it hard to "browse" them but when everyone else lost theirs in the expansion "upgrade" I just unzipped mine and whipped it out ! wait .. what ?  |

Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Viziam Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:16:00 -
[75] - Quote
Seriously?? |

David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
133
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:21:00 -
[76] - Quote
as i once posted before
200 personal fittings - because we all have different shinies we like to fly for various reasons
1000 corp/alliance fittings - because corps/alliance use many different fleet doctrines
having 1000 fittings would allow for the following:
Low Sp - fits Mid Sp - fits High SP - fits Capital - fits Industrial - fits Small Pos -fits (yes pos fittings should be saveable) Medium Pos - fits Large Pos - fits Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |

Yao Ying
Potsdam Royal Guards Nite's Reign
2
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:41:00 -
[77] - Quote
Yes, unlimited local fittings please. It's possible to fill nearly 1/4th of that list with multiple variations of a single PVE battleship between all the different hardener and drone combinations. I used to use the fitting manager pretty extensively before, but haven't really found it very useful since the limit seeing as that I can use nearly every subcap in the game and don't pick the FoTMs exclusively...
Moving the settings between multiple machines really isn't that hard when you email them to yourself or copy them to a memory stick. And it's not like the EVE settings folder is in an abysmally obscure location like it was 2 or 3 years ago. |

Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
3
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:55:00 -
[78] - Quote
What I remember from when this feature was being developed was that it would be possible to access the modules on containers and on the corp hangar. Is that even going to be possible to do anytime other tha SoonTM?
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Dr Mercy
EC Riders Mech Alliance
22
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Posted - 2011.10.30 22:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
More please! |

Y U NO
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.31 01:24:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP - Y U NO ADD MORE!? |

Marcus Wilde
PWNED Factor The Seventh Day
4
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:03:00 -
[81] - Quote
Bumping back up to the top!
Deleting older fittings in order to make room for new ones, has been doing my head in lately! http://hellhounds-howls.blogspot.com/ |

big miker
Reign of Anarchy Pandorum Invictus
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:34:00 -
[82] - Quote
Just been on the test server, winter release version. Seems like we're now able to save 100 ship fittings =] |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2011.11.03 18:31:00 -
[83] - Quote
200-300 would be awsome then i could bring back all my saved fittings and still have room to play with more
ps BUMP BK TO TOP |

BLACK-STAR
196
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Posted - 2011.11.05 22:37:00 -
[84] - Quote
so reporting back from sisi it appears CCP increased fittings to one hundred.
That's really generous and all...
but please CCP, be out going and just grant us a full featured unrestricted utility. I guess, whoever is making these fitting restrictions is a sole person. Or a unanimous conscious decision from everyone at CCP (I think that's probably not the case).
You might aswell put a calculator tool restriction and decrease the number of numerals that appear calculated. It might break something down the road.
[img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:53:00 -
[85] - Quote
BLACK-STAR wrote:so reporting back from sisi it appears CCP increased fittings to one hundred.
That's really generous and all...
but please CCP, be out going and just grant us a full featured unrestricted utility. I guess, whoever is making these fitting restrictions is a sole person. Or a unanimous conscious decision from everyone at CCP (I think that's probably not the case).
You might aswell put a calculator tool restriction and decrease the number of numerals that appear calculated. It might break something down the road.
Tuxford has already explained why you can't have unlimited fittings (another CCP staffer explained it aaagges ago when the 50 limit was imposed) and that's down to DB size and network traffic.
If you want it server side and that they're available if you access Eve from a different computer, you're having a limit. Period.
If you want unlimited fittings, it'll be client side and local to your machine only. |

BLACK-STAR
203
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Posted - 2011.11.06 01:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Buzzmong wrote: If you want unlimited fittings, it'll be client side and local to your machine only.
EXACTLY. Local it, I don't care. CCP can fix by "pushing the envelope". I already explained how it's easy to accomplish and two ways it can be done.
I don't care either about NET difficulties, that can be achieved with CCP as they're committed. it's a fitting tool for convenience recalling smaller info than a full size note.
I respect time and time again they dish an excuse. Out of the blue, CCP NERFing the tool in the first place for no given reason, I guess you invite feedback from community when you play with fire.
Such an honest simple task to accomplish for any developer gaming company.
I seriously just want my fittings, not argue moan and cry about it. It couldn't be blatantly more obvious that vet players of the game need well over 100+ fits.
This I think is so far out overlooked and shouldn't be this way, this thread shouldn't exist. that bad decision shouldn't have been made. and Tuxford already forgotten about it.
[img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img] |

bongpacks
Mudbug Acquisition Of Empire
9
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:23:00 -
[87] - Quote
I support this product and/or service. |

Hamster Too
No Name Corporation
6
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Posted - 2011.11.06 04:40:00 -
[88] - Quote
When I was on Sisi yesterday you could save 100 personal and 200 corporate fittings. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
30
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Posted - 2011.11.06 05:12:00 -
[89] - Quote
BLACK-STAR wrote:so reporting back from sisi it appears CCP increased fittings to one hundred.
That's really generous and all...
but please CCP, be out going and just grant us a full featured unrestricted utility. I guess, whoever is making these fitting restrictions is a sole person. Or a unanimous conscious decision from everyone at CCP (I think that's probably not the case).
You might aswell put a calculator tool restriction and decrease the number of numerals that appear calculated. It might break something down the road.
CCP I reject your compromise and demand MORE.
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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:18:00 -
[90] - Quote
bumpty bumpty back to the top
100 is still not enuff for fittings bring back client side unlimited fitings
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Hershman
G-Weezy
72
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:22:00 -
[91] - Quote
I mostly use 3rd party, rather than the in game fitting manager. RIght now 50 is fine. If I needed more, I wouldnt mind buying it through Nex if that's the way it goes |

zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2011.11.12 14:27:00 -
[92] - Quote
Hershman wrote:I mostly use 3rd party, rather than the in game fitting manager. RIght now 50 is fine. If I needed more, I wouldnt mind buying it through Nex if that's the way it goes
are you chicken oriental (mental) why should we pay the nex store for somthing that was the standard for 6+ years get bk in ya cave |

Agonising Ecstacy
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 16:30:00 -
[93] - Quote
zzzczyzoznzoz wrote:Hershman wrote:I mostly use 3rd party, rather than the in game fitting manager. RIght now 50 is fine. If I needed more, I wouldnt mind buying it through Nex if that's the way it goes are you chicken oriental (mental) why should we pay the nex store for somthing that was the standard for 6+ years get bk in ya cave
You stewptid Krunt. If I wahunted unlerhimited fittungs Id yewse sunfik hexternul, like EFT. Hai wood mahutch rar-ver have a huntred futtinks stooried serbia syde, van hunlimited kliunt syde futtinks. Jew twaht. Git tha farck oot. |
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