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Catalistt
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 13:00:06
Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 12:46:50
Figured I would look around in 0.0 today, and this happened...
(Im in 0.0, heading to a gate, I was almost to my destination, some guy pops out of the gate, targets me, and starts shooting, and this happens)
Catalistt > OH PLEASE NO KILL MEEZ!@
Catalistt > please please please =/
Digital Doc > sorry
Catalistt > Why you keelin meez? =/
Catalistt > I got nuffin
Catalistt > Dude, why?
Digital Doc > sorry
Catalistt > Its cool, im not ****ed or nothing, but I gotta ask, why?
Catalistt > I had nothin, I was just going to look around 0.0. And you guys wonder why no one ever goes to 0.0
Catalistt > And lemme guess, now your not even gunna talk to me right?
Digital Doc >i killed u like i was killed b4 in 0.0 ... sry :P , take care bro
Digital Doc > cya
Catalistt > So your whole reason for killing me was because you could?
I really hope no one wonders why there hasn't been an exodus.
P.S. Oh yeah, he podded me too. I thought that was a nice touch.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:47:00 -
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How could he know that you hadn't anything?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:47:00 -
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I don't get your point ?
You think the reason for people to stay out of 0.0 is that they get killed ? Or that they get killed for no reason ?
More reason would be nice yes, which is exactly what we're gonna get.
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Catalistt
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:52:00 -
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Ok ok, let me derail this flame fest before it even starts!
He targeted me as SOON as he popped from the gate! He was saying sorry AS he was killing me. He admits that the only reason he killed me was because it happened to him once, and because he could. He even had great security standings!
Im NOT complaining about being blown up. Not at all.
Im simply trying to point out why hardly anyone goes to 0.0. Its because people kill you simply because they can. Hell, I wouldn't have even minded being ransomed! (Thats what really kills me, this retard passed up on a few million in ransom easy if he just let me pass, but now he has a 10mn AB I and an expander)
I guess what im trying to say is make the killing structured. Give it a purpose. When some guy blows me up, I shouldn't wonder why. If I have to wonder why, then that indicates poor game design, at least in my opinion.
Like I said, im not mad. The situation just irritates me.
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Grosvenor Corama
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:53:00 -
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0.0 is a dangerous place sometimes, or most of the times. Having a peek around unprepared can result in a quick trip back to empire. But don't let a single ship loss stop you. Maybe next trip you'll have learned a thing or two to help you survive. 
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:57:00 -
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"If a man does not strike first, he`ll be the first struck".
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:01:00 -
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If you dont want your thread to end in a flamefest I suggest you watch what you say yourself as well.
Posting in anger or frustration hardly ever leads to a constructive discussion
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:03:00 -
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atm there is not much execpt mass death in 0.0, sad enough
Wanna fly with me?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:32:00 -
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I am asking these somewhat simple questions to the op just to be able to see if he/she is someone with an actual point (there being too little reasoning behind killing in 0.0 atm, whch I agree with)
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Catalistt
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 13:43:36
My point is the same as yours. There is too little point to killing in 0.0 right now.
Actually, now that I think about it, CCP needs to make it impossible to kill people at gates.
Give pirates more tools to find people INSIDE a system. The fights should be where people are doing something that the pirates, or the people who control the space don't like. Simply travelling through a gate rationally is not enough to warrant killing someone if all they are gunna do is pass right through the system.
I have never thought of it before, but things would be SOOO much better if people could be tracked easier inside systems, and if PvP was impossible around gates.
Cutting off routes of travel is killing this game in some respects. Im just a semi nooby that wanted to look around and wham.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:46:00 -
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I can't do another thread about new people moving to 0.0, I just can't take it...... I'm losing it..... aaaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhh
*sits rocking in the corner babbling*
      
There's been post after post after post by experienced, knowledgeable pilots like Rod, Darken etc.. in recent weeks on how to do this and still people just wander off out into 0.0 get ganked and then post on the forums about it.
I am losing faith in the ability of some sections of this community to absorb information and process it successfully 
I'm going to stop posting advice, set up a 23/7 chokepoint blockade and start hoisting nubs by their own petards.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Koda
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Koda on 11/05/2005 13:49:09
 Originally by: Catalistt
There is too little point to killing in 0.0 right now.
Until you nail a ship carrying extremely valuable cargo.
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Catalistt
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 13:51:35
And out of all the kills that take place Koda, how many of them pay off? 0.0001%?
Start at the top of this thread again and re-read it. I was killed simply "because". Not because of loot, not because of money, simply because I was there, and he could.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 11/05/2005 13:53:10
Originally by: Elemmakil
Well i can stand people like you who like to play this nonsense way, but there are others who want a better more realistic and INMERSIVE game. We have the right to whine if we want.
I was being sarcastic
I've also spent the better part of several hours these last weeks writing posts to help people get out into 0.0 and stay alive
Eve Blacklight Style
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:54:00 -
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*sob*
I can really empathize with Blacklight.
I dunno, maybe there should be a great big sticky in New Citizens Q&A with Blacklight's post and assorted others, forming a guide on how to survive in 0.0. Maybe. But by now I'm pretty sure that these "sectors of the community" can be likened to the proles in 1984 and no amount of advice will ever do anything.
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Adiion Agnod
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:56:00 -
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How many valuable cargos have been lost to idle gunfire? And considering there are ship/cargo scanners available.
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Koda
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Catalistt
Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 13:51:35
And out of all the kills that take place Koda, how many of them pay off? 0.0001%?
Start at the top of this thread again and re-read it. I was killed simply "because". Not because of loot, not because of money, simply because I was there, and he could.
With tech 2 modules and faction loot, the prospect of something decent dropping from a ship is better than you might think.
The remainder of your argument falls short because 0.0 is intrinsically lawless. Shooting someone simply because you can may be a flimsy justification when compared to defending claimed space, fighting an enemy corp, or doing the "Yarr!, pegleg and parrot" bit, but its nevertheless legitamate.
He shot you because you chose to abandon the protection of Concord and the gate guns.
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Inquisitor Nyxos
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:13:00 -
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To the OP. You have fallen victim to a classical gank. Gankers hardly have ever a good reason (apart from wanting to shoot someone/something) why they act that way and they are getting indirect protection from more serious pvpers because these think you are against pvp-based combat in general. The general rule for entering 0.0 however is to check who's the boss there and who is roaming that region, eventually you will need a pass or permission. It's like in every MMO: in areas where you can get ganked you will be ganked. As long as it is not rampant you can learn to accept that fact and perhaps you will find means to defend yourself or get away in time (even if they call you coward). The person did not ransom you because he was a ganker and not a pirate. Learn to make a distinction there because there is a difference.
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Catalistt
Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 13:51:35
And out of all the kills that take place Koda, how many of them pay off? 0.0001%?
i think you'd be surprised. when someone kills me for example he can be 90% sure to find something nice in the can (i'm friendly like that). 
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Inquisitor Nyxos
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gerome Doutrande
Originally by: Catalistt
Edited by: Catalistt on 11/05/2005 13:51:35
And out of all the kills that take place Koda, how many of them pay off? 0.0001%?
i think you'd be surprised. when someone kills me for example he can be 90% sure to find something nice in the can (i'm friendly like that).
One unit of Pax Amarria should be always be found there.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Koda
He shot you because you chose to abandon the protection of Concord and the gate guns.
No. He shot him because he could.
Legitimate kill oc but trying to make it look like he's the one at fault because someone killed him out of sheer boredom is just as lame as complaining about getting killed out there.
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Crowley
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Inquisitor Nyxos
One unit of Pax Amarria should be always be found there.
for emergency fire starting needs and possible lack of toilet roll conditions?
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Crowley
Originally by: Inquisitor Nyxos
One unit of Pax Amarria should be always be found there.
for emergency fire starting needs and possible lack of toilet roll conditions?
To twap amarr on the head with it when you catch them
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:49:00 -
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hmm? don't really know what to say except i'm not sure if i want to come back to this
blowing up another ship while saying sorry anf haveing no reason for doing it? atleast say 'YARrr!!' when killing someone....
what has this game come to?
"dude! like i'm gonna kill you now and I have no reason why? but sorry in advance!"
...lame...
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:56:00 -
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LOL!!!
Just yesterday on one of these threads I posted that there are some players who simply don't belong in 0.0.
For the record, my credentials as a mostly non-aggressive player are pretty solid.
But 0.0 is the land of potential PvP combat. There are many ways of dealing with this, but expecting to be left alone by ANY unknown player is not one of them.
In my own case, I would almost certainly have ignored the thread author unless he was an unknown in space claimed/contested by a group I was with. (Being non-aggressive does NOT = pacifist).
But I know that many player (pirates) will take any kill that comes their way. People do transport high value stuff in the most unlikely ships now and then.
Its the nature of 0.0. there are a variety of ways to deal with the danger, but expecting to be left alone by strangers is not one of them.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:01:00 -
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somehow ...hehe.. I always drop exotic dancer..
ok, to the guy who started this thread...
you got killed in 0.0 ... well 0.0 is there because killing... and big ISK
Get used to it, or don't go there.
We was like you once. Our first trip to 0.0 was with fregatts through PF-346.. after the second our ships decloaked we was wtfpwned by mOo...
we whined? NO
We mined like hell, bought cruisers , got skills, and went down to 0.0 again. This time to Period basis.
Maybe some of you remember the time when Tyrell "bought" PB and sent mOo there.
Well, we went down 2 week before that happened.
We talked with the local corps, and they let us stay a bit.. when mOo comed, we docked out with our only ships and tried to deffend the stations... we died ofc...
we whined ? NO
We went back to empire, and worked our ass of on spawnpoints ,and helping each other we made enough money to buy battleships to every corpmember.
PB got free again... CFS times... we went down there, got good relations booth with the locals, and the FA. It was good times... total peace, we made a lot of fun.. than again as usual in PB hostiles come.. we fight, die, fight again, die ,and fight again... we stayed this time... we learned teh basics how to fight, and learned the best ways to make money to support the fights....
We was ganked by 1000 times around the A2 chokepint. We lost several thausands of zydrin or megacyte because gankers. What we did? Went up in our Battleships, and fighted them. Sometime we won, sometime we got killed.
That's how it works!
(once our 10 BS was "ganked" by a 60+ CA fleet what was moveing to stain, and jumped in to make a visit there, just for fun, they wiped us ofc)
And what we did ? Whine? NO
We worked even harder after that.
After the hostiles gone, we tought we are a real 0.0 corp now, so lets do something bigger, lets have a word in the eve politics. And a good way to do this to join an alliance. So we did.
We gived in our appliication to Fountain Alliance, and after a 1 month trial, we becomed full members.
This was nearly a year ago. We still ther and still kickin'
See, we started as a 3 man noob corp. We are now in an alliance, we have good money, equipment and we have FUN in the game and in 0.0!
But for this you have to WORK, not whine on the forums.
You got killed? STFU, get a bigger ship, better skills, better tactic, and on the first step, avoid beeing killed, on the next step, kill the one who try to kill you.
Join a corp, than make that corp to join a 0.0 alliance.
Or just directly join a corp wich is in an alliance already.
They will teach you, support you, how to stay alive in 0.0
It is hard. But that's why it is called security status 0.0
This is the way of 0.0 at least IMHO. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Read the other threads, read the PvP guid. And DO something.
Whining on the forum will solve nothing. You will be killed next time again, and again , and again....
Oh and excuse my typos.. me not english.. :( and typing fast because I'm in work.... and boss coming...
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Balazs Simon
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Very well put, nice points. Lousy english, though.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:04:00 -
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Well, the point here being that the op was killed without cause (and with the killer saying sorry while still shooting  , what's up with that anyway ?), makes me feel symphatetic to his message.
It'sactually one reason why I've asked for and posted about changes to 0.0 infrastructure. There is alot of pvp going on atm that is just for fun, with no ulterior motive.
Personally, I like ulterior motives, whatever they are. They add depth, and a set goal allows you to use different means at the same time to accomplish it. That's why I'd like to see space being defendable, but if taken from you regardless of that defense, causing you a good lot of loss.
That and more stuff to do in 0.0, mostly governed in access by territorial claim, should give people goals to go for and reasons to fight.
People who come here however to complain about being killed in general get no pity at all.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:43:00 -
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I never died in 0.0...
~Sobe
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Well, the point here being that the op was killed without cause (and with the killer saying sorry while still shooting , what's up with that anyway ?), makes me feel symphatetic to his message.
It'sactually one reason why I've asked for and posted about changes to 0.0 infrastructure. There is alot of pvp going on atm that is just for fun, with no ulterior motive.
Personally, I like ulterior motives, whatever they are. They add depth, and a set goal allows you to use different means at the same time to accomplish it. That's why I'd like to see space being defendable, but if taken from you regardless of that defense, causing you a good lot of loss.
That and more stuff to do in 0.0, mostly governed in access by territorial claim, should give people goals to go for and reasons to fight.
People who come here however to complain about being killed in general get no pity at all.
He was killed because he was not set positive to the persons corp/alliance that shot him.
It's as simple as that.
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