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MrTiddle
MADE IN EVE
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Posted - 2012.12.08 08:42:00 -
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Hello pilots of New Eden, what do you think of the extra forth low slot added for an Itty IV?
I think it's really deserve that otherwise it's just a huge gap between IV & V.
With maxed Industrial ship skills + T2 expanded cargoholds + 3 medium cargo optiisations we have in total
- Iteron IV 20687m3 vs. Iteron V 38433m3
Even the Hoarder vs Mammoth ; Badger vs. Badger Mark II is only 8k m3 difference.
So please think of it but for me it's definatelly an issue.
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Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.08 10:53:00 -
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MrTiddle wrote:Hello pilots of New Eden, what do you think of the extra forth low slot added for an Itty IV?
I think it's really deserve that otherwise it's just a huge gap between IV & V.
With maxed Industrial ship skills + T2 expanded cargoholds + 3 medium cargo optiisations we have in total
- Iteron IV 20687m3 vs. Iteron V 38433m3
Even the Hoarder vs Mammoth ; Badger vs. Badger Mark II is only 8k m3 difference.
So please think of it but for me it's definatelly an issue.
but for hoarder or mammoth you dont need lvl5 skill (and theres a big gap between lvl4 and lvl5 skil)
People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:13:00 -
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Crap > Shinier Crap > Passable > Okay > Best...
Soon the last remnants of the Tier System will be rooted out strongholds by Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Let us hope they have the good sense to surrender peacefully!
Glory to the new Separate in Purpose / Equal in Value Industrial Class!
Long Live the Balance Revolution!
o/
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:20:00 -
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it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.08 12:16:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive.
Fairly sure they've stated that industrial ships will not be affected by tiericide. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
766
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Posted - 2012.12.08 12:17:00 -
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It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive. Fairly sure they've stated that industrial ships will not be affected by tiericide.
really? well that's ******* boring.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Claude Kuichi
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.09 01:06:00 -
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hmmm, tierization of Industrial it's an interesting idea.
But back to discussion, yeah the extra 4k-5k of m3 in addition to the max cargo hold of Iteron IV would be really handfull, otherwise it's loosing the atractiveness cause you can always have Mammoth with min. ind IV and it gives you more than 22k of cargo hold.
cheers |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.12.09 02:57:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive.
Yes, that's a very interesting question.
How many T1 Industrials does Amarr and Minmatar have?
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.12.09 03:02:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive. Yes, that's a very interesting question. How many T1 Industrials does Amarr and Minmatar have?
I think they should do 3. 3 of the Iterons, the 3 Badgers and the 3 Minmater ones then add one to Amarr. The other 2 Gallente ones can be slight variations or collectors items.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=172083
Here was my idea a while ago. |
MrTiddle
MADE IN EVE
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Posted - 2012.12.10 01:10:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Salpad wrote:Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive. Yes, that's a very interesting question. How many T1 Industrials does Amarr and Minmatar have? I think they should do 3. 3 of the Iterons, the 3 Badgers and the 3 Minmater ones then add one to Amarr. The other 2 Gallente ones can be slight variations or collectors items. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=172083Here was my idea a while ago.
Hi, Alara
that's an interesting and a way deeper look into that topic. I've never think this way. So my initial post is more "lighter" than yours.
I was thinking that much more people are worried about such difference in tech specs. But now i'm not sure ;)
Anyway will see how it goes further.
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Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:33:00 -
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BattleBadger? |
MrTiddle
MADE IN EVE
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:20:00 -
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Flurk Hellbron wrote:BattleBadger?
there is enough funny videos of baitting Iterons/Mammoths/Badgers taking down BS's.
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Kookman
Bastion 437
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Posted - 2012.12.10 09:52:00 -
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Iteron IV to Iteron V is not a case of Crap to Best.
Iteron IV is much more agile and faster compared to the Iteron V which is capable of more heavy lifting. Both are equally desirable for specific duties. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.12.10 10:17:00 -
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Kookman wrote:Iteron IV to Iteron V is not a case of Crap to Best.
Iteron IV is much more agile and faster compared to the Iteron V which is capable of more heavy lifting. Both are equally desirable for specific duties.
It actually isn't. The IV is 0.5 Secs more Agile and 16m/s faster while having 2 less lows. The V can surpass that difference with those 2 extra lows and still have more Cargo. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates
Nyanpire
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:44:00 -
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Kookman wrote:Iteron IV to Iteron V is not a case of Crap to Best.
Iteron IV is much more agile and faster compared to the Iteron V which is capable of more heavy lifting. Both are equally desirable for specific duties.
Please stop posting crap.
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Mortimer H
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:08:00 -
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Quote:... otherwise it's just a huge gap between IV & V.
If you just unfit an Expanded Cargohold in your Mark V the gap will be much smaller.
The Mark V being impressively big is no sensible reason to give your other ships more cargohold. |
MrTiddle
MADE IN EVE
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:15:00 -
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Mortimer H wrote:Quote:... otherwise it's just a huge gap between IV & V. If you just unfit an Expanded Cargohold in your Mark V the gap will be much smaller. The Mark V being impressively big is no sensible reason to give your other ships more cargohold.
what is your point? i'm talking about low slot exactly becasue it will allow to minimize those huge gap just up to big gap.
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Mortimer H
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:28:00 -
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My point: I don't think the gap is there because of the Mark IV being small but because of the Mark V being big. Therefore I don't see a problem with the Mark IV. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:58:00 -
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It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway wrote:Dave stark wrote:it'll be interesting to see what tiericide does to industrials, especially the gallente ones since there's 5 of them to give a unique quirk to.
caldari is easy. big and slow, small and fast. but for gal they're going to have to be far more inventive. Fairly sure they've stated that industrial ships will not be affected by tiericide. You mean their cargo won't be affected. I'm pretty sure they'll be doing something about how little industrials have the same sig radius as and only marginally better align time than bigger industrials.
To the OP: I think it's less important to note the large gap between Iterons IV and V, and more important to note the lack of gap between III and IV. The IV needs another low slot because without it, it's just a smaller, slower, squishier III with a slightly bigger cargohold. I had Gallente Industrial trained to 4 for a while, and I still flew a Mark III because it honestly seemed superior overall.
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:15:00 -
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if youre not flying an itty 5, you should be flying a bestower.
all other T1 haulers are useless. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:21:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:if youre not flying an itty 5, you should be flying a bestower.
all other T1 haulers are useless. What about a mammoth?
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
-Mittens |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.11 17:27:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Soon the last remnants of the Tier System will be rooted out strongholds by Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm.
Alara IonStorm wrote:Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm.
Alara IonStorm wrote:Yitterbalm.
*whimper* I knew I should have picked another Dev name. Yitterbalm  That's Ytterbium! Like, the chemical element! Augh, my eyes are burning, the pain, the agony! I'm melting! MELTING RAWWAAARGGR!
But yes the industrials need to go through the tiericide purifying fires. When and how is still quite undecided at that point, even if we are already considering a few options to get them revamped. |
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Domineren
Social Terrorism.
Wicked Intentions.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:21:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Soon the last remnants of the Tier System will be rooted out strongholds by Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Alara IonStorm wrote:Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Alara IonStorm wrote:Yitterbalm. *whimper* I knew I should have picked another Dev name. Yitterbalm That's Ytterbium! Like, the chemical element! Augh, my eyes are burning, the pain, the agony! I'm melting! MELTING RAWWAAARGGR!But yes the industrials need to go through the tiericide purifying fires. When and how is still quite undecided at that point, even if we are already considering a few options to get them revamped.
i like your name Mr. Yiterbum |
Aryth
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:26:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Soon the last remnants of the Tier System will be rooted out strongholds by Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Alara IonStorm wrote:Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Alara IonStorm wrote:Yitterbalm. *whimper* I knew I should have picked another Dev name. Yitterbalm That's Ytterbium! Like, the chemical element! Augh, my eyes are burning, the pain, the agony! I'm melting! MELTING RAWWAAARGGR!But yes the industrials need to go through the tiericide purifying fires. When and how is still quite undecided at that point, even if we are already considering a few options to get them revamped.
My pet name for you is Yifferbum.
Coming to a furpile near you!
Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Cabal
Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
Shandir
Indigo Archive
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:44:00 -
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CCP Jagerbomb? |
Destoya
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.12.11 19:10:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
But yes the industrials need to go through the tiericide purifying fires. When and how is still quite undecided at that point, even if we are already considering a few options to get them revamped.
The obvious solution is to create 7 entirely new t1 industrials with accompanying models to bring the total up to 5 per race to fit the gallente model.
Crack the whip on your art designer underlings! |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.12.11 19:16:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Soon the last remnants of the Tier System will be rooted out strongholds by Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Alara IonStorm wrote:Glorious Generals Fozzie and Yitterbalm. Alara IonStorm wrote:Yitterbalm. *whimper* I knew I should have picked another Dev name. Yitterbalm That's Ytterbium! Like, the chemical element! Augh, my eyes are burning, the pain, the agony! I'm melting! MELTING RAWWAAARGGR!But yes the industrials need to go through the tiericide purifying fires. When and how is still quite undecided at that point, even if we are already considering a few options to get them revamped.
i hope that means Badger mark III IV and V, as well as the minmatar Crawler and Pillager
dont forget the amarr Masser, Vestibule, and Accreter
so all races have 5 T1 haulers >: ) |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
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Posted - 2012.12.11 20:18:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
But yes the industrials need to go through the tiericide purifying fires. When and how is still quite undecided at that point, even if we are already considering a few options to get them revamped.
ISTR the reason why industrials have gobs of CPU capacity is because it was originally envisioned that they could be fitted with some sort of industry-related module which would allow them to do certain stuff in space (I don't know what these module(s) would have done... refining ore maybe? reprocessing modules? Compressing Large Group of Homeless?) ... and this is how Industrials originally came to be called Industrials and not something more apropos to their present-day task of hauling.
You think that this original idea might be revisited whenever the indys' tiericide turn comes around? |
Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:21:00 -
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I think its kind of ridiculous that the Gallente have 5 variants.
Amarr and Caldari get by with just two.
It seems unfair that the Gallente get all these ships... not even counting special editions!
But which Iteron to remove: The #2 and #5 have no variants tab, best candidates.
But the Itty 5 has a lot of fans, it should stay.
I can think of 3 roles for industrial haulers: capacity being #1 above all, then defense, and speed.
(others...?)
Give Amarr and Caldari one new hull each.
How does this sound:
Move the Viator hull from Itty 1 to 4, remove Itty 1 and 2.
(Create new collectible / hanger trash, or refund everyone with a pile of minerals?)
role focus: primary + secondary
Itty 3: speed + defense
Itty 4: defense + capacity
Itty 5: capacity + defense
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Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:39:00 -
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Frankly, I think the way it is is fairly fine, every race has something going for it. Amarr have the fastest training for a decent T1 and good T2s, Minmatar have the best level 4 T1 hauler and 2 high slots on Prowler, gallente have the largest T1, caldari rock the largest freighter and so on. You can decide for any of those based on your own needs and preferences. |
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