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Ong
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:02:00 -
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Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly?
"Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items"
"Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past"
I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win'
And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud  |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
206
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:06:00 -
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This is called selective copy pasting and creating rumours out of thin air :)
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Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:06:00 -
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Ong wrote:Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly? "Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items" "Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win' And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud
Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
166
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:07:00 -
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Yeah. I did see that.
Either poorly worded or a subtle hint.
If the latter, dangerous ground.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
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Amonestos
Aspire Academy
New Dawn Brotherhood
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:08:00 -
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That's not what that says at all. It simply says the company needs to strategically adapt a business model to the cultural and economical changes relating to the MMO industry. Key to this: introducing a micro-transaction model that has low impact but can be adapted in the future to replace a subscription based model if it was ever necessary. |
Phantom Slave
Cryogenic Creations
4
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:08:00 -
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Ong wrote:Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly? "Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items" "Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win' And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud
If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people? |
Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:10:00 -
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Phantom Slave wrote:Ong wrote:Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly? "Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items" "Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win' And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people?
This community needs something new to scream about. I am sure Miiliia is firing up a new ragepost as we speak. Sad.
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Amonestos
Aspire Academy
New Dawn Brotherhood
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:11:00 -
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Mai Kusoni wrote:Ong wrote:Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly? "Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items" "Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win' And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then.
Someone's still paying for the subs, even if you spend in game isk to afford your account, it's being purchased at some point by someone. PLEX isn't just fabricated out of thin air. Yeah, maybe you bought that PLEX for 400 mil isk, but the guy you bought it from paid your 20$ subscription cost for you that month, and you paid him 400 mil isk for that favor. |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
15
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:11:00 -
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Mai Kusoni wrote:Ong wrote:Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly? "Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items" "Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win' And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud Or they just remove PLEX from the game. Then everyone, not just the new players, will have to pay to play. I can just imagine the crying then.
WHY dose no one under stand that SOMEONE some living human had to pay for that plex in the first place or it would have NEVER of been around...
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:12:00 -
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Thanks for the information. I stand corrected. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:13:00 -
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Phantom Slave wrote:Ong wrote:Sorry did I read between the lines and take theses quotes from Hellmar's blog correctly? "Unless the MMO business changes radically, our virtual goods strategy for EVE Online will remain limited in scope and focus on vanity items" "Though the introduction was clearly flawed, our plans for virtual goods are intended to make your playing experience better, not to disrupt it. From a strategic perspective, we had to take these first steps because monthly subscriptions are increasingly becoming a thing of the past" I take from these that right now you wont, but in the future you might do 'pay to win' And I'm meant to be grateful and applaud If the MMO market went completely away from subscriptions and went to item malls only, then CCP would be idiotic to not follow suit. The MMO market has not done this yet, so CCP is staying the course. Why is this an issue with so many people?
Paranoia... Eve's driving force  |
Ong
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:15:00 -
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Removing subscription from the game would mean that they have to make a metric **** ton of money from microtransactions. The only way other games have done this is by doing pay to win.
What Hellmar is saying is that if the industry mostly goes that way (which it is) ccp will also do this. Which is what all the forum hurf durf and protests were about. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
BRABODEN
198
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:16:00 -
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It's pretty clear what he meant. There's no controversy here. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
78
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:16:00 -
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So? Do you honestly believe that its far fetched that a few years from now EVE might be the only subscription based MMO out there?
Would you blame them for being prepared for such case? As hard as it though might be? (EVE F2P.. yeah right..)
Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:16:00 -
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its all about the tone.
See, thats why it took so long to get posted, and why it took so long for the last CSM thing to get posted too remember?
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him."
"Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
non judgement
Without Fear
Flying Burning Ships Alliance
33
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:16:00 -
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It would be nice to be able to play without paying CCP. They could get money from other sources.
As long as those sources aren't in game items that give a huge unfair advantage to flying ships. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
16
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:18:00 -
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Ong wrote:Removing subscription from the game would mean that they have to make a metric **** ton of money from microtransactions. The only way other games have done this is by doing pay to win.
These forums are bad enough as it is.
Stop making **** up. Someone might actually take you seriously.
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
mkint
119
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:20:00 -
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Look at it like this... If CCP ever decides to go P2W, EVE probably won't be recognizable as it is today. And it DEFINITELY won't after.
The fix for MT is have all the stuff come in packs of 20 at the same price, and be destructible. I probably would have bought stuff if that were the case, but it's a fair bet that there's no way in hell I'll ever buy stuff now. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
70
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:21:00 -
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Apparently the only acceptable statements from CEO's are concrete promises that can never be violated under any circumstances.
And why not? It's completely reasonable to expect all corporations to be able to predict the future, tell you exactly what will work and what won't, promise their customers a blanket course of action irregardless of changing external factors, and than deliver their products on time, in exactly the form customers demand, at their price point, and still beat their competition.
How dare you admit the possibility of changing your plans, Hellmar, how dare you. :-P |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
150
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:25:00 -
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It could mean anythign from "we will not be doing anything different in the forseeable future" to "we are planning to introduce a different type of player that requires no subscription, one with limitations on what they can do, and can only do other things by buying the abilities to do so"
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Ong
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:29:00 -
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Heh most of you retards seem to have read a blog that was mostly bs and saying "im sorry I was wrong" "but we might do pay to win anyway" and started sucking Hellmar 's man sausage.
Please do try to remember why pay to win is bad any why people rages/unsubbed/protested.
Then post again ty |
Jita Alt666
312
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:37:00 -
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My reading between the lines:
We understand just how much you guys dislike MT. Every one else is doing it. We don't plan on doing it. But hey if we look like we will go broke, or our market share is getting snuffed by a better game, we want to keep the door open so we can implement them.
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Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:41:00 -
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Well if they are losing money then what would the alternative be? Close up shop? Maybe charge a subscription for these forums? I'm sure many would pay  |
Ong
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:44:00 -
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Mai Kusoni wrote:Wll if they are losing money then what would the alternative be? Close up shop? Maybe charge a subscription for these forums? I'm sure many would pay
Increase subscription, stop developing stupid games on the funds eve bring in and should be spent on the further development of their flagship game maybe? |
Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:50:00 -
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Ong wrote:Mai Kusoni wrote:Wll if they are losing money then what would the alternative be? Close up shop? Maybe charge a subscription for these forums? I'm sure many would pay Increase subscription, stop developing stupid games on the funds eve bring in and should be spent on the further development of their flagship game maybe?
And you know for certain that EVE subscriptions are being used to fund WoD, not investors? And you really think it is fair to dictate that an MMO company not use it's revenue to develope new games? Better cancel Guild Wars 2, Star Wars TOR, Diablo 3, EQ Next, etc etc etc. |
Amonestos
Aspire Academy
New Dawn Brotherhood
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:57:00 -
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Mai Kusoni wrote:Ong wrote:Mai Kusoni wrote:Wll if they are losing money then what would the alternative be? Close up shop? Maybe charge a subscription for these forums? I'm sure many would pay Increase subscription, stop developing stupid games on the funds eve bring in and should be spent on the further development of their flagship game maybe? And you know for certain that EVE subscriptions are being used to fund WoD, not investors? And you really think it is fair to dictate that an MMO company not use it's revenue to develope new games? Better cancel Guild Wars 2, Star Wars TOR, Diablo 3, EQ Next, etc etc etc.
Yeah seriously. These people who complain about assertions regarding where "their" money goes are beyond ignorant. Let's just close down every Jack in the Box, chain store, cancel all sequels and tell all music artists they must continually reinvent their first major single and not come out with new music. Seriously people, are you even half educated? |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind
Order of the Void
16
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:04:00 -
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Ong wrote:Removing subscription from the game would mean that they have to make a metric **** ton of money from microtransactions. The only way other games have done this is by doing pay to win.
What Hellmar is saying is that if the industry mostly goes that way (which it is) ccp will also do this. Which is what all the forum hurf durf and protests were about.
im completely forgot that turbine has starting offering lvl capped characters in thier ingame cash store and that you can buy the best gear possible with rl cash.
oh thats right, they dont offer either of those. and yet their revenue from lotro has increased by something like 400% since the introduction of a cash store. f2p and cash stores do NOT mean pay 2 win, turbine has proven you can make a shitload of money from selling virtual clothes that have a different colour pattern, so long as the prices are reasonable. and yes they offer some convienence items like travel skills but nothing that gives anyone an advantage over someone who invests time in actually playing.
ccp should take some notes from turbine, they could learn a lot about how to run the nex store
Baa Means Baa! |
Ong
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:07:00 -
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Of course company's invest revenue into side projects. But when more revenue is invested in these side projects then the main product there is something wrong, and the main product often pays the price.
For example which do you think Sony music spends most money on the new Beyonce album or Daddy Yankee album?
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Mai Kusoni
State War Academy
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:30:00 -
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Ong wrote:Of course company's invest revenue into side projects. But when more revenue is invested in these side projects then the main product there is something wrong, and the main product often pays the price.
For example which do you think Sony music spends most money on the new Beyonce album or Daddy Yankee album?
How do you know more money was invested in side projects? Do you have proof of this or is it pessimistic speculation. As far as I can tell from previous posts awhile back, CCP did take out at least one large loan for this.
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Jita Alt666
312
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:41:00 -
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Ong wrote:Of course company's invest revenue into side projects. But when more revenue is invested in these side projects then the main product there is something wrong, and the main product often pays the price.
For example which do you think Sony music spends most money on the new Beyonce album or Daddy Yankee album?
And as far as CCP are concerned which is the main and which is the side? CCP may not be thinking what you are thinking. |
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