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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:14:00 -
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just as the topic title states.... Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here?
i find it very telling how hi-sec systems always seem to be populated with many peeps kicking about doing something useful or the other ... meanwhile look at lowsec sparsely populated also the same for 0.0.
that should speak volumes for the community of haters who seem to get their meat on when it coms to trolling hi-sec peeps and their chosen funtime pastimes.... not to mention CCP staff should seriously take note of this and not keep throwing spanners into trip up the hi-sec community by nerfing level 4's for instance and other issues.
Hi-sec should be given some dev love and encouraged to grow instead of the complete opposite seems to be taking place by certain groups of players and staff.
most people like the resource gathering and the gaining of ingame iskies to spend on the market but it seems to be moving away from that in a big way, its got very clique now a lot worse than it was before when i first started playing eve online, now with level 4's being nerfed to which i feel is just the start of something awful in regards to hi-sec being frowned upon.
they (ccp) should put in more hi sec systems cos to me thats what the populations needs / wants and would be welcomed by the majority.
people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.
this is not a rant
i would love to hear / read what others have to say.
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Pretty GuyYeah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:20:00 -
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Because they want you to enter a gate to low/null sec so they may insta-kill you. (I wonder why people don't go ther, huheue)
CCP should buff low and null sec and nerf camping possibilities. |
Maximus Reborn
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:22:00 -
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Im not gonna read alll you post its just too long
But I agree people knock high sec... atleast pvp
When 50% of pvp in low/null is blob fest that take no skill.
High sec on the other hand with war decs takes skill. Mainly small gang.. Add nuetral RR in the mix...
Real PVP is High sec small gang.
Low/Null ***** cause people are carebears in high sec... dont ***** war dec and then they are fair game... there would be no high sec.... oh wait you want it to be safe when its convinent for you bring moon goo up in haulers and ****... |
Aria Ta'Rohk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:23:00 -
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Good thread, and why I appreciate your idea, I must ask this to everyone. Why are you never happy with what CCP does? So a new expansion comes out with loads of fixes, balances, and content. The next day, you are back to complaining and whining about this needs nerfing or that needs buffing. Why can't you just stop whining and as many of you tell other people, harden up? Instead of complaints, give some constructive critisicm for once. Low sec is unpopulated? Fine. People can either stay there complaining, or find a way to enjoy it by trying something new there. Nullsec is lifeless? I highly doubt that, just go to some more populated areas. Just please stop whining and complaining. The game works fine as it is. Let CCP change what they feel needs changing. It adds diversity, which is what keeps a game alive. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
274
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:24:00 -
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They hate our freedom. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
R O G U E
776
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:25:00 -
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because most high sec dwellers are the ignorant entitled types, at least the vocal ones anyway.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10633
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:28:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here? Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game.
Quote:Hi-sec should be given some dev love and encouraged to grow instead of the complete opposite seems to be taking place by certain groups of players and staff. The problem is that highsec has already been given that love and encouragement, and it is proving detrimental to the game as a whole.
Quote:they (ccp) should put in more hi sec systems cos to me thats what the populations needs / wants and would be welcomed by the majority. What do you base those assumptions on?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Cap'n Tripps
Bloodnock Industries
20
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:34:00 -
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I think it's mainly because mocking somebody else makes them feel better about themselves... |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here? Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game. :in what way are hi-sec dwellers actively trying to break the game? Quote:Hi-sec should be given some dev love and encouraged to grow instead of the complete opposite seems to be taking place by certain groups of players and staff. The problem is that highsec has already been given that love and encouragement, and it is proving detrimental to the game as a whole. : how is it detrimental to the game?..... in what way exactly? Quote:they (ccp) should put in more hi sec systems cos to me thats what the populations needs / wants and would be welcomed by the majority. What do you base those assumptions on?
i base that on the population in hi-sec.
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Dark Long
solo and loveing it
4
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Why all the mega haters seem to be out in force to slate Hi-Sec and the people who choose to dwell here? Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game. Quote:Hi-sec should be given some dev love and encouraged to grow instead of the complete opposite seems to be taking place by certain groups of players and staff. The problem is that highsec has already been given that love and encouragement, and it is proving detrimental to the game as a whole. Quote:they (ccp) should put in more hi sec systems cos to me thats what the populations needs / wants and would be welcomed by the majority. What do you base those assumptions on?
"Because highsec is out of whack in terms of what it offers and because a sizeable number of the people who choose to dwell there are actively trying to break the game."
"What do you base those assumptions" useing your own words. Low sec is were ganker gate camp so they are the one's that broke low sec. Why go low when the choke points have a gate camp 90% of the time what the point other then feeding gankers kill mails.
AS for 0.0 its ruled by huge allinace like it should be.
High sec of for those that like that part of the game not the whole huge allinace you have to play by there rules and live in game and have no life outside fo the game.
So in ending dont blame high sec for what its got blame the player that broke low secn and o.o and makeing usless to the rest of the player base.
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Pyre leFay
The Scope
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:45:00 -
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Some people hate it when others wont play their ideal version of the game. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3138
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:46:00 -
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starbelt wrote:
i base that on the population in hi-sec.
You do know that a vast bulk of that number are alts of low sec and 0.0 don't you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10633
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:47:00 -
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Dark Long wrote:"What do you base those assumptions" useing your own words. They're not assumptions. They're an observation of player behaviour and of basic maths regarding how to get the most out of the game.
Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.
Quote:So in ending dont blame high sec for what its got blame the player that broke low secn and o.o and makeing usless to the rest of the player base. No, the players had no hand in this GÇö the fundamental design of what's available did, and there is no way for players to adjust that.
starbelt stacy wrote:i base that on the population in hi-sec. Ok. You do know that there is no statistic for the amount of players who live in different parts of space, right? The supposed highsec majority is a fable born out of a failure to read a simple chart, and there are nothing to back up that assumption. It is just as (or even more) likely that the highseccers are a minority.
GǪoh, and regardless, there are as many different views of how highsec should work as there are highseccers, so the assumption that this supposed majority also equates to a supposed majority just adds another layer to the fable.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Nylith Empyreal
Crowbar Industries.
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
183
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:51:00 -
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An ode to irony.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior.
"You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:54:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.
Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.
Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:57:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.
you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? 
were you aiming for a comedy response or what?  |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
4342
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Posted - 2012.12.08 22:59:00 -
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TBH Hisec is fine as it is, it needs neither buff or nerf, the areas of the game that need do adjusting via a buff are both losec and nullsec, it's just plain wrong that a lo or null player can make more Isk in hisec on an alt than they can in the space they would normally occupy, given the potential risk in those areas of space and the resources available. Just to clarify, this character is what many lo and null dwellers detest, a hisec carebear, I do have 2 others, one is also a hisec carebear, the other is a former carebear that's embracing the darkside.
I would like to see changes to mineral content to make mining in lo and null profitable, Scordite being on a par with Arkanor & pretty much every other high end ore is ridiculous. I understand that the PI is considerably better outside of hisec, mining, production, even ratting should be to.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid.
The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth,
it's how effectively you can enforce your will on others. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:01:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.
Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game. Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you.
lol? .. 
did you actually read what i wrote? ...
i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post.
this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that.
and that is being taken away from high sec people too. |
baltec1
Bat Country
3140
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:02:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Tippia wrote:
Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.
you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? were you aiming for a comedy response or what?
Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:03:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TBH Hisec is fine as it is, it needs neither buff or nerf, the areas of the game that need adjusting via a buff are both losec and nullsec, it's just plain wrong that a lo or null player can make more Isk in hisec on an alt than they can in the space they would normally occupy, given the potential risk in those areas of space and the resources available.
I would like to see changes to mineral content to make mining in lo and null profitable, Scordite being on a par with Arkanor & pretty much every other high end ore is ridiculous. I understand that the PI is considerably better outside of hisec, mining, production, even ratting should be to.
scordite is what it is cos its contains 2 of the most important base ores for building just about everything ingame. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion
Fatal Ascension
1829
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Tippia wrote:
Even people who would love to spend all their time in null or low choose not to because highsec offers such advantageous capabilities that it would be downright stupid to try to do stuff anywhere else.
you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? were you aiming for a comedy response or what? Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.
With the new bounty system you can really rake in the ISK.
He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller.
-Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ryric Cynema
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:04:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp
You say people should be able to play how they like (within the rules) but then you want to infringe on how I want to play?
One second, running a locate. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Its very rare for someone to gank just for giggles. And when I say rare I mean as rare as finding a battlebarge activly hunting in low sec.
not true ... me and my old corpmates used to do just that and it still takes place on a rampant scale in eve.... and now it looks as if it will be commonplace in hisec in the not too far off future.
so maybe not that rare now is it? ... |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:07:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp You say people should be able to play how they like (within the rules) but then you want to infringe on how I want to play? One second, running a locate.
how exactly what i wrote in my post would that infringe on how you like to play???  |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10635
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:07:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:you mean like not being ganked fpr sh*tz n giggles and loosing their stuff they worked ingame for? No, I mean like industry, trade, and bulk money-making on an individual scale.
Quote:i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post.
this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that.
and that is being taken away from high sec people too. No. Nothing is being taken away from highsec people. Trying to change EVE into one of those other games, on the other hand, does stipulate how other people should play the game. So no, you are making demands about how people should play, quite contrary to the point you wanted to make.
This is one of the ways some highsec-dwellers try to ruin the game: by actively campaigning for changes that would go against one of the fundamental design principles of EVE.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Ryric Cynema
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:08:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Ryric Cynema wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp You say people should be able to play how they like (within the rules) but then you want to infringe on how I want to play? One second, running a locate. how exactly what i wrote in my post would that infringe on how you like to play???
Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
51
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:10:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.
Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you. lol? .. did you actually read what i wrote? ... i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post. this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that. and that is being taken away from high sec people too.
I read your text thoroughly. And I outlined the parts that matter for you. |
starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:12:00 -
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Ryric Cynema wrote:
Because of the lulz I get from ganking people in highsec. Why SHOULDN'T I be allowed to do that?
why should you be allowed to that?.... it makes no sense.
let people make their isk then they will more than likely advance to pvp.... most do, hence the reason for making isk.
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starbelt stacy
Project-Gonk
34
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:15:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:starbelt stacy wrote:people should be free to play how they like as long as they obey the rules, and i would certainly do away with non-consensual pvp... its balls most of the time and just shows the predatory / trolling nature of a chunk of this playerbase.
Even though I'm a highsec dweller, I would certainly not "do away" with non-consensual pvp. It's a most essential part of the game.Please do not try to tell me, how I should play the game. Thank you. lol? .. did you actually read what i wrote? ... i didnt stipulate / make demands how anyone should play their game, that's my entire point of this post. this is about the only game i know of that has non-consenual pvp the other games have a designated server / area / zone for that. and that is being taken away from high sec people too. I read your text thoroughly. And I outlined the parts that matter for you.
you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual.
you wouldnt be trying to suggest that if you allowed people to make a choice that pvp in eve would suddenly die out would you???
almost every game to come out there are always a decent sized group who always ask foremost if there will be PVP ... it will be no differant to eve online.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10635
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:18:00 -
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starbelt stacy wrote:why should you be allowed to that? Because that is the game.
Because the game is a multiplayer sandbox.
GÇ£Multiplayer sandboxGÇ¥ doesn't mean you can do what you want. It means everyone can do what they want, which includes things that you don't want them to do (to you).
Quote:you would still have your designated area for pvp.. only differance would be it was consensual. Why should it be consensual? Just because GÇ£almost every game to come outGÇ¥ has it, why should EVE? In fact, if almost every game has it, doesn't it make more sense to have a game that doesn't do that so that it doesn't become just another uninteresting dime-a-dozen game that dies quietly a year later?
Quote:it will be no differant to eve online. GǪaside from not being EVE Online any more. Oh, and it would make a huge difference since the core elements of the game GÇö the ones that make it interesting GÇö pretty much rely on the existence of non-consensual PvP.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
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