Agreed.

You agree and then want to use Incursion mechanics for occupancy? (PvE) I don't get it. Please explain.

If a player doesn't shoot you (PvP), then what does?

As you go in to start destroying industrials and NPCs with the new AI (who are scaled down in difficulty to properly represent a fair challenge, rather than an Incursion level challenge).

Not saying your idea is bad (it's pretty good), just that it has PvE elements in it.

What I like about your idea is that it's objective based that doesn't involve orbiting a button for a set period of time. Also, when one side decides not to engage (which is going to happen quite a bit when the sides are not evenly matched), your side has something to do.

You agree and then want to use Incursion mechanics for occupancy? (PvE) I don't get it. Please explain.

Cearain's main point in two years of threads are that NPCs are bad and shouldn't be a part of the occupancy mechanic. He still wants ship limited combat and for people to orbit buttons for a set amount of time. The one decent idea he has is to notify militia that a plex has been opened, but what he nor anybody else does not quite comprehend is this:

Players don't fight if they don't think they can win.

What happens when the other side disengages and leaves you hanging with no pvp? Sit on timer like he suggests? That's where his proposals fall short every time.

Your suggestion w.r.t incursions is decent even though it involves NPCs because your group will have something rewarding to do if the other side decides not to fight.

But letGÇÖs say I wonGÇÖt fight you in that plex in any ship because GÇ£I donGÇÖt think I can win.GÇ¥ Well I am pretty much conceding that you are better than me at pvp arenGÇÖt I?

To go along with the station discussion. Why not just have a station in FW systems instead of a bunker that is flipable. 1 station in the middle of the system that is controlled by the faction that holds the system. That station is then only usable by that faction, guns shoot the opposing faction, it can have lp store for that faction as well. Then no neutral RR undocking from it from either side, guns make it harder to camp, and if you use the station alot you won't want to loose that system. Just an idea

The mere fact that it's in low sec will encourage other militias (and pirates) to grief each other when the opportunity presents itself.

Yay. I win! Now what do I do now that you've left system? Orbit a button for 29 minutes?

I'm positive it won't happen often enough to keep me interested for a long enough period of time. I've been there, done that. Still do it (rarely these days) due to insanity. Running people out of plexes is fun. Sitting on plex button waiting for people to come in and fight is just too boring to do long term.

Let me know when your name appears on the following link:
http://api.eve-online.com/eve/FacWarTopStats.xml.aspx

Then maybe your opinion on when, why, and how often people will fight in plexes will hold some weight.

Cearain has never hidden the fact that he abhors plexing and that he has never done it to any great extent though, so that bit at least is valid enough ....

F'ing forum eating long winded posts.

1. My post was harsh, but point remains.
2. As stated many times before. You can notify, but after getting blueballed so many times, people will quit coming. This conclusion is based on experience. (see also Bad Messenger's comment on how to use proposed mechanics)
3. From your post it seems that you just want fights in plexes and care nothing for occupancy - otherwise you'd close the plexes. You're in it for the same reasons 95% of everybody in FW now - PVP! Higher goals... meh! Why would you close them in the future if you don't now?

Dagren I don't think I understand.


How do you flip the station?

I meant instead of shooting the bunker, you shoot the station. Then the station changes to the other faction. This could really suck if you had stuff in the station that you can no longer get to. So by flipable i meant when system changes occupancy the station does as well. If it only allowed militia pilots to dock in it gives incentives not to loose station since you can't even use neutral alts to get stuff out.

I meant instead of shooting the bunker, you shoot the station. Then the station changes to the other faction. This could really suck if you had stuff in the station that you can no longer get to. So by flipable i meant when system changes occupancy the station does as well. If it only allowed militia pilots to dock in it gives incentives not to loose station since you can't even use neutral alts to get stuff out.

How do you flip the station?

It's BOOoooooooooooooooooooooooring.

I like your concept - the issue is that just like with the null sec dilemma, the devs are trying to move away from "shoot stations" for conquering anything.


It's BOOoooooooooooooooooooooooring.

My point was me already have to shoot a bunker. Just Change the bunker that's in the middle of PW systems to a station. The mechanic could stay mostly the same even. It's more like a dockable bunker that have station guns that shoot other militia and only holding militia of the system can use it. It's ment to be more of a safe zone that when you are out roaming and need to take a break you can go to one of your militias systems and not worry about 2-3 opposing militia guys camping undock waiting for you to come out.

Doesn't need to be a station per say could just be a dockable bunker, I mean they are already there anyway make them usefull rather than just shoot it when system goes vulnerable.