Simulated PvP

Suggestion is to add simulated Pvp within the game, that is have a game playable within your quarters where you can participate in simulated battles with ships you can fly against other players (or nominated npcs). Thus you can learn if the skill/fits you have are adequate to battle other players. Way I see this being added is:

1.You have a display just like now but you can buy any item you can fly or equip for no cost. (you make no ISK also ) Just need some ID system to indicate you are in a simulated eve station. All normal rules for eve apply but no cost for simulated parts / ships

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3.To get to this Pvp station is by a simulated jump clone that has no cool down. Doing this protects Real Eve [REve] implants and death function is not affected. Add auto medical death clone skill protect to again get around REve death functions. This clone will have no implants but as they will have no cost in this Pvp game in Eve you can try different setups.

5.Players can practice tactics with others in same Corp setting Red/Blue teams or even inter-alliance Pvp with no loss. You will be able to find out who has the best skill/setup with risking that 4-5B isk T3 setup with all officer mods. If you get party crashers during your training its all the better.

6.As we now have a new currency system in the game, give it some function beside looks *smiles* add the ability for a small cost to modify your skills so you can fly/equip normally unavailable stuff in this simulation of Eve Pvp while resting in your quarters drinking a cold drink.

To all you low sec plays just think of it this way, the care bears in empire can practice some Pvp first. So you may get more customers for the now braver empire players. I know Pvp is not even I just like to be in the 20 ship fleet finding the 5 ship fleet.

There's this thing called sisi, you should look into it.

Allow for an in-game recording setup, that allows you to watch the playback on your nice in-quarters displays. This will give FCs the opportunity to re-watch a fleet engagement, and established where things went right/wrong, and thus formulate after action reports to tweak their fleet standard operation procedures, tactics and techniques.

This. A replay system that would allow you to record a battle and then replay it and even adjust camera angles would be awesome and create some amazing YouTube videos. There have been great results from Valve doing this with their source engine.

Another thing to consider is, giving the cearbears a means to get a taste of PvP without the fear of losing anything might give them an incentive to actually go out and PvP sometime or move to 0.0 once they are more confident in their skills.

This is the whole reason that this idea is made of fail. Because to a carebear, the idea of PvP, or losing a ship is completely reprehensible. Hence the reason they are carebears. They don't WANT to get a taste of PvP. They don't want to look at PvP. They don't want to hear about PvP. And the sad part is, they think that this game solely revolves around them.

That alone hardly makes it a fail idea. I see plenty of Pro's to this idea...biggest of all being able to test fits in a safe simulated environment other than SiSi before using it in PvP.

That's actually the problem. Because it's "safe" it will eventually come to replace "casual PvP." Why is this? Well... why would you go out and try to find PvP and risk your actual ship when you can do the same thing in a simulation?

Why go out and risk your ship when you can just log onto SiSi and do the same thing there with no risk instead? See? Same damned thing and just about everybody with a brain already does this.

Because in SiSI...
- there is no functioning economy.
- you can't really make ISK.
- you don't REALLY buy anything.
- you can't REALLY lose anything.
- it is subject to resets and tinkering by GMs/DEVs.
- the gameplay and effects caused over there are divorced from what happens in TQ.

SiSi is, at it's heart, a test server for GMs/DEVs to play around with EVE code. The fact that you can also play with ships, fittings and tactics over there is a perk. Nothing more.

Or you can program a simulator for us and leave a link here, because you are not taking CCP's time to do this.

And just who exactly are you to be deciding what CCP does with thier time?

Just one guy that's saying whats on my mind. If CCP thinks that making a combat testing program and inserting it into CQ is a great idea and they should drop everything and do that, then so be it. I would however like to point out again that SiSi is a great way to test out ship fits and simulated PvP, and that is basically what this OP wants. They have enough other content to fix and/or improve without having to put resources into something that already exists.

Toy with a fit with EFT, test fit in SISI or with a buddy in TQ, theres your "simulated pvp"
This adding an EvE in my EvE would be unnecessary and I really don't want xhibit (**** his dumb spelling) in my spaceship game.
Hopefully this thread dies soon.

I really don't think you get the point of this game.

GÇ£Because it's "safe" it will eventually come to replace "casual PvP." Why is this? Well... why would you go out and try to find PvP and risk your actual ship when you can do the same thing in a simulation?GÇ¥

Casual PvP now that a fun expression, normally used by the player with 75k+ skills on a new player. That is the problem there is no casual PvP in Eve. In 0.0 If not Blue you kill. In low sec all are targets even corp mates I have found out. Smiles. Empire War-decs / Faction warfare / Ganks before CONCORD turn up. I see no Casual PvP here.

I can only assume you think EvE is about PvP. If this is the case you would be wrong.

I can only assume you think EvE is about PvP. If this is the case you would be wrong.

What part of PvP in Eve isn't already simulated? What you're actually proposing is simulated simualated PvP. Or shuld it be virtual virtual PvP? EVEVVPVPFTW maybe?

If EvE was about PvP then that would be the only thing to do in EvE. It's not. Grow a brain.

Hate to break it to you but there is a lot of other things in EvE to do and they don't all gear towards PvP. PvP is a singular aspect of the game. I have friends that have played EvE as long as me that have never even bothered to try PvP. That have never went to Nullsec unless they had to.

I love hearing the "veteral pvp'ers" whine .... "oh no, the only possible pvp is OUR pvp" .... "no one else's sand is as good as ours, and to prove it, we want to take yours away" .... blah blah blah ...

Again, if people actually loved nullsec / pvp as much as the "only true pvp'ers" claim ... they'd already be living in nullsec ... but they aren't ... veteral pvp'ers should be thankful to carebears for paying ccp to keep EVE alive ... and should be thinking of ways to RETAIN new subscribers rather than congratulating themselves on how great they are at killing noobs.

If you LOVE "real" pvp soooo much, why are you so afraid people will stop "real" pvp'ing?

I get a kick out of the "nullsec pvp elite" telling hisec carebears how great pvp is .... lol ... kinda like the fisherman expecting the fish to jump into his boat, just because of how awesome the "bait" there is .... hilarious.

Again, I disagree with your assumption that virtual pvp would decrease the frequency of real pvp .... i suspect the opposite.

Simulated PvP from console in captainGÇÖs quarters, now we have this living space outside of the ship. Add a game consol so we can play simulated Eve Pvp in our quarters.

Suggestion is to add simulated Pvp within the game, that is have a game playable within your quarters where you can participate in simulated battles with ships you can fly against other players (or nominated npcs). Thus you can learn if the skill/fits you have are adequate to battle other players. Way I see this being added is:

1.You have a display just like now but you can buy any item you can fly or equip for no cost. (you make no ISK also ) Just need some ID system to indicate you are in a simulated eve station. All normal rules for eve apply but no cost for simulated parts / ships
2.You have a number of systems you can form up in with normal concord rules for Sec 1.0 system. This system jumps to a Null Sec for PvP. (recommend one for non-capitals, one all ships. Possibly limit capital ships available to one or two a day per player.)
3.To get to this Pvp station is by a simulated jump clone that has no cool down. Doing this protects Real Eve [REve] implants and death function is not affected. Add auto medical death clone skill protect to again get around REve death functions. This clone will have no implants but as they will have no cost in this Pvp game in Eve you can try different setups.
4.The Null Sec system people can practice their setups for Gate camping etcGǪ Find out if your BS with 8SB can take down those bubbles before sucking on vacuum.
5.Players can practice tactics with others in same Corp setting Red/Blue teams or even inter-alliance Pvp with no loss. You will be able to find out who has the best skill/setup with risking that 4-5B isk T3 setup with all officer mods. If you get party crashers during your training its all the better.
6.As we now have a new currency system in the game, give it some function beside looks *smiles* add the ability for a small cost to modify your skills so you can fly/equip normally unavailable stuff in this simulation of Eve Pvp while resting in your quarters drinking a cold drink.

To all you low sec plays just think of it this way, the care bears in empire can practice some Pvp first. So you may get more customers for the now braver empire players. I know Pvp is not even I just like to be in the 20 ship fleet finding the 5 ship fleet.

Again, I disagree with your assumption that virtual pvp would decrease the frequency of real pvp .... i suspect the opposite.

Interesting that people hate the thought of "arena pvp" ... but love the idea of Alliance Tournament, etc.? --> seem very similar to me .... and I don't think isk losses (compared to "real pvp") are the real factor at play .... there's something deeper isn't there?

LAWL, Really, LAWL. The tournament is once a year and losses are real - eve real - that is. You **** and moan about bitter PvPers not wanting change, but what you're after is instance PvP, like WoW or World of Tanks. If you really want instance PvP that bad, play WoT while your mining Veld in the background. Leave Eve alone.

I'm against the ideal of "virtual PVP". SiSi is an adequate testbed for practicing PVP.

However, I wouldn't object to a "simulator" that would let you pit saved fittings against other saved fittings USING THE PLAYER'S SKILLS. The idea would be to test the tank on one ship against the alpha/dps of another and have minimal controls for each ship in the virtual environment.

Let's say the ships spawn a set distance apart (possibly determined by the player) and stationary. You can click modules for each and set each one to orbit or approach how you want to. Maybe put in one or two celestials they can be aligned to, but I wouldn't give them the ability to fly free. You click "go" and they auto-target each other while executing any movement or module activation commands. (edit: To be clear, you'd be able to continue giving commands after starting the simulation)

In this way, a player wouldn't be able to get anything resembling real PVP without the risk, but they would be able to test various fits and see their speeds, abilities, damage, and tank in a limited and controlled environment. It's EFT warrioring with more shiny.

Personally I don't care to see CCP waste effort on such a feature. But if they did ANYTHING like it, this is how I'd want to see it work: single-player, limited, and clinical. It should NEVER be a substitute for undocking.