I think if they dropped 50 Avatars supported by Aeons the dying and stagnant Jove Empire that is outnumbered 50/1 might have a few issues on their hands.

Well the Jove still took loses in that fight against T1 fit Beam Mallers and Apoc's and a few changes have occurred in the Empire since then.

* Rigs
* T2
* T3
* Capitals
* Super Capitals

well, all that is being posted above is rational
but you may seem to forget that we know NIL
about the Jovians since the entrance closed...

so even if now we have t3 etc etc, we may still
be behind :p lol

after all, have u ever thought that all those NEW ships
and NEW techs that are being given to us by CCP
are nothing more than glimpses of what Jovians
are actually fly lol perhaps we are being given whats
old enough for the Jovians to share

^^ kisses and fly safe all

Except that T3 doesn't come from the Jovians -- it comes from the Sleepers. Personally, I'm really excited to see what happens with the Sleepers. That is, to see if they will get to "reawaken" inside the bodies of their "hosts" as some recent Eve chronicles hint at. I'm curious to know what actually happened to the humans of the sleeper race as a whole...

Anyways, that's off-topic. Yeah, T3 -> sleepers.

What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P

What if sleepers joined forces with Jove ? :P

The jove could be 10s of thousands of years ahead of us.

Apperently you've never read any lore...

Let me explain something...

Sleepers created the "Jovian disease" in order to control the Jove...

The empires are scared shitless of the Jove...

The Jove are scared shitless of the Sleepers...

Go read a book...

Cept they had trouble with 3 Lvl 4 Missions worth of Sh*t Fit Amarr Ships from back before Amarr had real ships and that was when they were ambushing Amarr.

Jove are all smoke and mirrors. They survive by playing 1 Empire against the other. No one Empire can invade Jove Space because that Technology in the hands of some Empire that can build 200 Titans is a lot more dangerous then in the hands of a tiny dying one. The other Empires would absolute 100% side with the Jove.

The Jove keep the balance behind the scenes levying knowledge and information because on the scenes they are a well equipped fly. They are a CIA Empire of sorts not the Borg.

I thought the only problem the Jove had with Amaar was Amaar trying to conquer them, and the Jove destroying an entire fleet of the most advanced Amaar ships available at the time in what amounted to a one shot kill.

I thought the jove did it to themselves, accidentally; which is why they gave capsule tech to the caldari, so they could study them and see what happens.

Who is the broker?
Is he Jove, or is he just a capsuleer who happens to posses some the tech that caused the Jove decease. And my impression is that he's not gone, just waiting to be able to jump back into a clone that won't die right away. Which should mean that if the jove haven't found a cure, they're doing the same thing.

Which could beg the question, why did the sleepers decide to live in a virtual world, exactly? Is it possible they're suffering the same fate and this was the only option they were able to find, and have the jove been working to not just cure themselves, but other groups of humans that lived during the time of the EVE gate who also had the decease?

I'm more curious why there is such a lack of full body cybernetics and mental uploads.
Tech we in real life are projected to have by the turn of the century.
It strikes me as odd, especially as the earlier pics of EVE I find did have extensive implants and replacement tech.
Now it all seems like humans with better tech.

Everyone knows that if the Jove showed themselves again, Goons would simply wipe them out, take their space, exploit their space for untold riches , then demand that every goon/test/pl/etc player be given free jove skillbooks so they can fly their plunder and wtfpwnbbq the rest of eve.

Those advanced Amarr ships were T1 fit Apoc's and and Mallers, the fleet was small and they could not engage with the rest of the Golden Fleet because the Minmatar rebellion had begun right after. (Bet the Jove had a hand in that.)

Still even with prep time to get a specific counter fleet together "and that is what it was" they still took casualties. The Amarr military is a hundred times more powerful now and are not fighting a rebellion. They lost interest back then, if the other Empires were not buffer between them and the Jove the Jove would be finished absolutely.

The Amaar consider their defeat at the hands of the jove one of the most embarrasing events in Amaar history.

And there is technology that the Jove have access to that we can't even figure out. The jove aren't a threat because of what we know, it's what we don't know, and there's a lot that we have access too that we don't understand and the jove do.

It would be silly to think in such a short time we were able to surpass jove technology. When there's still things floating around New Eden we can't even figure out.

There's no indication how advanced the jove really are, only that it's a safe bet to assume they're far ahead of us.


Edit: It's a sleeper behind the dust technology, not a human from one of the four empries. If it wasn't for the sleeper in the Amaar queen, it wouldn't exist. We know far less than we think we do. It was kind of an underlying idea in Templar One.

That's not a "Sleeper" in Jamyl. I mean, it SORT of it, but it isn't?...

The Amaar consider their defeat at the hands of the jove one of the most embarrasing events in Amaar history.

And there is technology that the Jove have access to that we can't even figure out. The jove aren't a threat because of what we know, it's what we don't know, and there's a lot that we have access too that we don't understand and the jove do.

It would be silly to think in such a short time we were able to surpass jove technology. When there's still things floating around New Eden we can't even figure out.

There's no indication how advanced the jove really are, only that it's a safe bet to assume they're far ahead of us.

Jove are a head in Technology but the Empire Tech isn't exactly sticks and stones and they have the numbers. Jove a while back had trouble with 600 fail fits using a counter fleet. If the Empires put their hundreds of thousands of ships on the Jove they are finished unless they discovered the be all and end all of weapons since the Amarr invasion, but I would not count on that, or that even being enough.

One of the big messages in Templar One, is that we're not as big as we think we are. That there are things in the galaxy that we can't compete with, and that there is a danger we aren't in a possition to protect ourselves against.

The jove are the only race that know what that is, were there when it was, understand it, and can be safely assumed have access to it.

We can't even get to them, but hey can ge to us.

What we see isn't the threat, it's what we don't know.
And we have no idea what exists in Jove space. For all we know they can press one button, and everything ends.