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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.15 14:53:00 -
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 Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
Lol I <3 you, fellow forum w***e
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Destable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Destable on 15/05/2005 16:34:09
Originally by: Coupo
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LOL Somehow I doubt you have the pilots or the skill to fight the PA. Plus the fact you've just ****ed off everypone in the North. I wish you a short an unpleasant stay.
This entire thread is a stleath attempt at trying to get POH into the limelight as some uber PvP corp. Anyone with about 3 braincells could figure that out by the
"evol-esque" tone in the POH pilot's posts. Unfortunately for them, the are incapable of doing anything else other than forum warfare.
we dont live there :/ so why would we be staying? as for the stealth claim.. we dont care if were known or not. Were not an uber pvp corp but then were not crap either.
And if anything sir, you trying to start a flame war or trolling session isnt really required here. If you have a problem with us bring it to us, dont hide away crying wolf on forums.
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My eyes hurt reading all this diplomatic crap. Attack who you want to attack, you don't need justification or reasoning but you must be responsible for your actions.
We are responsible for our actions, PA are not being responsible and this is the outcome.
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Do not start threads like this on the Forums.
Are you telling me we cant use this forums for what they were designed?
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Threatening people does no good.
if you must know, we havent threatened anyone. We said "hey you just cost our pilot money whatcha gonna do" PA replied with "pay up and not do it again" they dont pay up they do it again.
As a matter of honour we were forced to attack.
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Don't tell people to convo you to solve stuff, it's your responsiblity.
Ummm sorry but no, its not our responsibility.. if we screwed up then it would be.
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If people offer compensation be nice and accept.
We did, we did not get paid.. we got attacked again.
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Inform yourself about the political situation before you enter a region of space.
We know the situation in the north. We know what were doing, even if you dont.
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Do not attack people if you want to solve the situation.
We wanted it resolved, PA are the ones who didnt want it resolved.
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Be aware that alliances react slow and accidents happen.
XF reacted very quickly to accidents, and the leadership back then were inept. What does that Say for PA?
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It certainly does not justify branding an entire alliance as "pirates", as meaningless as that term is now.
Were not branding them pirates, were branding them targets.. until they honour their agreement.
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In my personal opinion.. i couldnt give a damn about how G and IRON feel towards us as far as im concerned
Plus its not really about the ship loss, its the pod loss, the implants loss and the lies given to us by PA.
@Kaleeb: we dont pirate thats your job :P
From the Botox Bandits Website Idiotypes Section:
[don quotay]
A Don Quotay is a very special type of forum dweller. He won't bother to read your elaborate post, but will start to break it down into little quotes, incomplete and out of context, and then make one-line comments on each quote.
[by Saladin]
http://www.botoxbandits.net/idiotypes.htm
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 16:41:14
Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 16:37:41
so? i slash dot.. what do i care?
why do you?
would you like me to entire quote and ramble on?
as far as i can see noone who has responded who wasnt in PH has just tried to troll.
more to the point why are you trying to enflame?
troll?
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:49:00 -
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Keep it friendly please.
ZhuuÀ gheyÀleeÀyan (Kongming) |
Destable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Destable on 15/05/2005 16:54:11
Because this whole situation is really, really hilarious to me at this point, and your post is the first time I've seen that level of quoting/replying since reading the idiotypes list.
And so I obviously just wanted to share teh funny with the world.  A spread the joy kind of thing. Laughter is, after all, the best medicine.
That, or I just wanted to troll. I am quite the flamer and troll as anyone will tell you. 
edit: Ok Zhuge, I'll make sure not to hurt anymore feelings 
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.15 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
Lol I <3 you, fellow forum w***e
us *****s need to stick together u know
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
Lol I <3 you, fellow forum w***e
us *****s need to stick together u know
Lead on sister !!!!!
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:17:00 -
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Well PH are pirates, they act like pirates and they shoot first and ask questions later. You have taken the first shot at me, while outside d7.
So if PA wtfpwn the lot of ya, good on them. Hopefully foyle will be caught in the middle. (luv ya really foyle babie)
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:19:00 -
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LOL....
Your all pirates, only some are willing to admit it.. the ones that arent are in denial!
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:20:00 -
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Listening to the convo in PoH hq
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OMFG OMFG OMFG
Somebody shot somebody in 0.0 and now somebody wants to shoot somebody else in 0.0
But wait, I know how to solve this. Lets make a forums post. Everyone will be so shocked at these things happening that there will be peace and flower throwing festivals for at least a month.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:21:00 -
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I can hold my hand on my cold heart and say ** I am no pirate ** I will shoot at those who shoot at me. In defence of course.
* All aboard the crazy train to take us through this madness *
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
On a side note what are PA/G/IRON/GODS/FE etc etc standings towards Shadow Squadron?
Well I opened convo with your pilot last night to find out his intentions in tribute last night and he assured me that you guys dont kill neutrals. Then In less that 5minutes he ganked a miner. So your standings towards UnioN arent great. To quote B SPEARS: "I tried to set my standings to "**** off" but the slider does'nt go that far." |
KIATolon
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:57:00 -
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Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
I remember you guys taking out my hauler.
I dont recall attacking you first.
I suggest changing your names to Pirates of Honour.
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Odine
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Odine on 15/05/2005 19:06:59
boo...
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: KIATolon
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Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
I remember you guys taking out my hauler.
I dont recall attacking you first.
When did this happen? Which pilots were involved?
BOS is and has been for a long time KOS to PH. Have any attempts been made by BOS leadership to have those standings adjusted?
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Edited by: Acwron on 15/05/2005 11:48:43
Just some advice for PH about diplomatic dealings and the north:
- Do not start threads like this on the Forums.
- Threatening people does no good.
- Don't tell people to convo you to solve stuff, it's your responsiblity.
- If people offer compensation be nice and accept.
- Inform yourself about the political situation before you enter a region of space.
- Do not attack people if you want to solve the situation.
- Be aware that alliances react slow and accidents happen.
So if you want to solve it you better stop posting stuff on the forums and try to resolve it ingame.
This was a key post POH, i see it saying diplomatic line are still open but keep them notes in mind.
Even if ya kill a few PA you woulnt resolve ya issue, you could if ya had it well documented ask G & iron maybe to mediate cos they got more power & dont like pirating.
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:12:00 -
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Sinbin as I have posted, we went through G diplomats to get into contact with PA.
The situation has changed and there will be a post shortly.
You probably lost your hauler during our time in XF, in which BoS was kos. At the time of posting this, we still regard you kos.
Interesting...
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:53:00 -
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"Well I opened convo with your pilot last night to find out his intentions in tribute last night and he assured me that you guys dont kill neutrals."
Well you convo'd after we had killed. I think our pilot was trying to be funny, we are pirates/killers/griefers and always have been, so yes we will shoot neutrals.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: insuperable
Sinbin as I have posted, we went through G diplomats to get into contact with PA.
The situation has changed and there will be a post shortly.
Yea I read Zorlya's post man & hope its good news.
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Maybe end the election round will do it ?
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.15 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 20:43:36
Originally by: Bayroo
Well PH are pirates, they act like pirates and they shoot first and ask questions later. You have taken the first shot at me, while outside d7.
So if PA wtfpwn the lot of ya, good on them. Hopefully foyle will be caught in the middle. (luv ya really foyle babie)
yes because 1: You were in FoE, foe were and are a pirate alliance. 2: u then split off and allied with FE's new knife loving crew. Only when that wasnt successful u split off and made this 'union' thing. Making a press release saying u are not pirates. However, you are still allied with FE?
Its a shame action can say more than a thousand words, isnt it?
You cant just make a new name, say a few things and expect to be taken off the KOS list.
Obviously im speaking out of my own opinion as always. as im not a part of the VA or any entity apart from my own corp anymore.
<3 Bayroo.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 20:54:00 -
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I am not worried about being on any ones KOS list. I am just saying, we have taken a different path to that of FE. we as a corp still support FE and always will.
And I can make the statement that I am not a pirate and have not killed a neutral in tribute, yes I have had plenty of targets to shoot at, but have left my finger off the trigger.
Yes we left FOE, , my corp left and I went with it.
THe reason so many people left the alliance was due to the war hungry leaders, they liked giving the orders to kill people, they themselfs were never seen fighting, or very few sigtings of them fighting, nor did they help get members into decent fighting ships, they just carried on creaming the isk from the stations and corps they run.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
yes because 1: You were in FoE, foe were and are a pirate alliance. 2: u then split off and allied with FE's new knife loving crew. Only when that wasnt successful u split off and made this 'union' thing. Making a press release saying u are not pirates. However, you are still allied with FE?
Its a shame action can say more than a thousand words, isnt it?
What actions? UnioN members do not shoot neutrals. Thats what we said we were going to do and we are doing it. Just because we are at positive standings with a corp does not make us directly responsible for what they do. |
Zorlya
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Posted - 2005.05.15 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zorlya on 15/05/2005 22:02:42
Quote from our first statement: "If The Phoenix Alliance wishes to resolve this situation by paying reparations then please contact Insuperable."
Today at 17:54 ingame time, Phoenix Alliance officials contacted us and have promised to pay reparations and, by doing so, have resolved the situation.
All Pilots of Honour military forces will cease hostilities with the PA, with immediate effect. We will reset all standings to 0.0.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 21:54:00 -
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There ya go ranting on for...I mean diplomatic solution do work given time.
let us forum dwellers know if ya get paid, plaese Z.
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DarkFenix
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Posted - 2005.05.16 09:40:00 -
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Yeah well sometimes people need a bit of an incentive to get the diplomacy going. Suffice to say we gave them an incentive.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.05.16 11:47:00 -
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Good luck Pilots of Honour, have fun :)
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.05.16 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cartiff on 16/05/2005 11:57:07
I'm so happy, i feel like touching...........maxsuicide.
I don't know where you've been man, but i wanna touch ya all the same.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
NBSI 4TW
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.16 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
There ya go ranting on for...I mean diplomatic solution do work given time.
let us forum dwellers know if ya get paid, plaese Z.
As of this moment The Phoenix Alliance has made no attempt to fulfill the agreement of reparations - I.E. forward the ISK or items requested.
A single individual in PA, not involved with either incident nor the corporations involved, said that he would 'handle the problem' - I.e. PA expected this single individual from 20th Legion to pay up this entire debt incurred by PA corporations.
The initial incident, an attack upon a shuttle and subsequent podding of its pilot (Ultravires of PH) by a single HAOS pilot, SunTzuCsu, precipitated the first attempted round of negotiations. At that time reparations for the clone and lost implants was requested, and a status of neutrality was promised.
This never occured.
Several days later I, myself, was attacked by members of the Mosquito Navy. It was after this unprovoked aggression that PH embarked upon its campaign into PA space cited in the original post.
During once such foray we encountered a commander of 20th Legion, Lord Wimbishi, and through him opened diplomatic negotiations with several other PA commanders.
Reparations were indeed promised, as well the replacement of clone costs & lost implants.
As of this posting none have appeared. Lord Wimbishi was saddled with the onus of paying ALL reparations and replacing ALL lost items. HAOS and Mosquitos were never brought into accountability and PA has not made any attempts to make good on its promises of reparations (beyond what Lord Wimbishi was willing to affect).
PA has set PH to neutral status, though making such changes involved a great deal of infighting among its member corps - in particular HAOS.
By saddling Wimbishi with paying reparations for actions taken by other corporations within The Phoenix Alliance they have proven that they will not act with honour - toward enemies, or their own members.
Zorlya has agreed to maintain all PA corps as neutral status (As well G, IRON, and other PA allies) in the spirit of hourable negotiations.
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.05.16 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Originally by: SinBin
There ya go ranting on for...I mean diplomatic solution do work given time.
let us forum dwellers know if ya get paid, plaese Z.
As of this moment The Phoenix Alliance has made no attempt to fulfill the agreement of reparations - I.E. forward the ISK or items requested.
A single individual in PA, not involved with either incident nor the corporations involved, said that he would 'handle the problem' - I.e. PA expected this single individual from 20th Legion to pay up this entire debt incurred by PA corporations.
The initial incident, an attack upon a shuttle and subsequent podding of its pilot (Ultravires of PH) by a single HAOS pilot, SunTzuCsu, precipitated the first attempted round of negotiations. At that time reparations for the clone and lost implants was requested, and a status of neutrality was promised.
This never occured.
Several days later I, myself, was attacked by members of the Mosquito Navy. It was after this unprovoked aggression that PH embarked upon its campaign into PA space cited in the original post.
During once such foray we encountered a commander of 20th Legion, Lord Wimbishi, and through him opened diplomatic negotiations with several other PA commanders.
Reparations were indeed promised, as well the replacement of clone costs & lost implants.
As of this posting none have appeared. Lord Wimbishi was saddled with the onus of paying ALL reparations and replacing ALL lost items. HAOS and Mosquitos were never brought into accountability and PA has not made any attempts to make good on its promises of reparations (beyond what Lord Wimbishi was willing to affect).
PA has set PH to neutral status, though making such changes involved a great deal of infighting among its member corps - in particular HAOS.
By saddling Wimbishi with paying reparations for actions taken by other corporations within The Phoenix Alliance they have proven that they will not act with honour - toward enemies, or their own members.
Zorlya has agreed to maintain all PA corps as neutral status (As well G, IRON, and other PA allies) in the spirit of hourable negotiations.
What a difference is it if it comes from Lord, myself or some other corp??
It seems like you are going well over the boundary into internal PA stuff and I very much recommend you to step back right now.
Lord WImbishi acted in good faith since he knows some people in your corp and he decided to take responsability of the negotiation at that time.
Any concerns you have talk to him directly.
You want you clone and implant officially paid by "PA", I will send you the isk myself tonight but at the same time I expect you to refund for the two ships lost in BKG and the return of all mods picked up.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.17 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eversor
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
By saddling Wimbishi with paying reparations for actions taken by other corporations within The Phoenix Alliance they have proven that they will not act with honour - toward enemies, or their own members.
Zorlya has agreed to maintain all PA corps as neutral status (As well G, IRON, and other PA allies) in the spirit of hourable negotiations.
What a difference is it if it comes from Lord, myself or some other corp??
It definately does.
It shows a sense of responsibility for actions within his alliance that were not perpetrated by his own corporation. His actions show some integrity.
Neither HAOS nor Mosquitos has said anything on the matter, neither admitting error or offering to fix the whole mess they caused in the first place.
We, Pilots of Honour, made every attempt to get the standings adjusted before we entered G space. G heard us, IRON heard us, but PA did not apparently have any wish to do so - thus their members still had PH as negative KOS status, which was due to past alliance membership (Xetic).
After the first event PH once more attempted to get these standings fixed. Again, PA refused to listen, forcing PH to enter negotiations through G diplomats. Promises were made, and promises were broken, resulting in the loss of my ship almost a WEEK later.
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It seems like you are going well over the boundary into internal PA stuff and I very much recommend you to step back right now.
I am not getting into any internal PA 'stuff', I am strongly questioning ability of its leadership to keep its members in rein.
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Lord WImbishi acted in good faith since he knows some people in your corp and he decided to take responsability of the negotiation at that time.
Any concerns you have talk to him directly.
I do speak with him, often. It was not his responsibility to take care of this situation, save the fact that he was a member of PA in a leadership position.
It was his responsibility to attempt some manner of negotiation, but it is not, was not, and should not be his responsibility to cover for the screw ups of others. Particularly not his own leadership.
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You want you clone and implant officially paid by "PA", I will send you the isk myself tonight but at the same time I expect you to refund for the two ships lost in BKG and the return of all mods picked up.
Those two battleships were not attacked during an expected period of neutrality. They were attacked after hostile actions were commenced against PH by members of PA, after promises of neutral standings were proclaimed but not followed through upon. As thus they were targets engaged during a conflict, not during a period of promised non-aggression.
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