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Zorlya
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Posted - 2005.05.14 22:41:00 -
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Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
We then attempted to contact the PA diplomats, who were all offline. We were able to contact the PA leader, Cochise through G diplomats, whom assured us that this would never happen again.
On the 13th of May, Evilene and some others from PA yet again proved their intentions by attacking another of our members, Icarus Starkiller.
Following these transgressions, and considering that the PA officials are being uncooperative, we will regard each and every PA pilot as KOS to our entire force, effective immediately.
If The Phoenix Alliance wishes to resolve this situation by paying reparations then please contact Insuperable.
Yours Faithfully,
The Pilots of Honour Council.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Zorlya
Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you. |
Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:09:00 -
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seems PA once again is the flavour of the season .
seems once again some corps seek excuses ? or as a pvp corp you dont know how 0,0 works ?
..not stickin out for them but...
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Zorlya
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:17:00 -
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"Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you."
Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
"seems PA once again is the flavour of the season .
seems once again some corps seek excuses ? or as a pvp corp you dont know how 0,0 works ?
..not stickin out for them but..."
Flavour of the season? Hardly we are just 1 corp lol.
Excuses? We have lost ships and isk to PA shooting us, we are shooting back.
And yes, we know how 0.0 works, we've lived there for a long time.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Zorlya
Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you.
So their justification once again is "they were piratingö? What a load of crap.
This whole,, no pirating in the north is so laughable, even PA members are going against the "rules" PA claims to hold as gospel.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:20:00 -
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i mean as when teh other dude whined about PA you start as well , maybe im wrong ofc .
...i just hmz ..nm :)
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zorlya
"Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you."
Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
Really? Cause I dont recall our corp having any previous interaction with your corp. We were surely not told that we were set to -10. I had you set to neutral yet was attacked by your corp. I know you were probably just trying to show off for celts, but still. |
juduzz
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:26:00 -
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guess thats why we saw the 4pods and 4 af/inties traveling fro IMK to H-w and beyond at speed today.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Foyle
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Zorlya
Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you.
So their justification once again is "they were piratingö? What a load of crap.
No. I don't know what their justification was. But I do know that'll usually do it. |
Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 14/05/2005 23:38:50
Hmm... okay.
PA podded one of our members after blowing up his shuttle. I fail to see how our member was attempting to pirate the PA pilot(s) responsible.
Due to a problem with my autonav I ended up warping into the middle of a small fleet of 8 ships near a gate (large squares, but I didn't see what they were). Two of the 8 immediately agressed, despite the supposed 'neutral' status that the PA leadership claimed that they were going to set PH to after the first debacle 5 days before.
Was I pirating? Rather difficult against so many ships, and me in a single assault frigate. I never even had a chance to return fire.
PA claim that PH is pirating, but we do not pirate. We simply attack those corps that have aggressed us in 0.0, such as PA and others. We are no longer Xetic, yet many anti-Xetic forces seem to have it in for ex-XF corps anyway.
Oh well.
We find it rather amazing that it took only minutes for PA to set us to -10 after our counter offensive, when we had spent a good week asking repeatedly to be set neutral (and recieving affirmations that we had been so set).
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:36:00 -
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Quote:
Guess thats why we saw the 4pods and 4 af/inties traveling fro IMK to H-w and beyond at speed today.
We kill ships, we lose ships. But I think you'll find we kill more than we lose :P
Interesting...
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:44:00 -
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Continuing from what Icarus said, i feel just in saying that PA are infact the aggressors and do indeed reqire punishment as they refused to recompence losses to us, or the pilots which took the loss.
If i had attacked a member of PA/G/IRON/VA/5/XF/SA/AA/Fountain/IMP et cetera im sure a terrible guffuffle would have ensued and payment would have been made. But, no, i can see more honour in a pirate than i can see in PA right now.
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
And furthermore, so what we lost 4 frigates.. atleast we dont log out during combat, or claim a massive victory after such heavy losses to 10 frigates..
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Acwron
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:46:00 -
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Just for your information G set you -10.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Just for your information G set you -10.
We can understand their reasons for doing so. They want to remain 'favorable' to PA who frequent G space and sit right across the side yard in the next house. One does not go out of the way to peeve off the neighbors without good reason.
And retaining positive standings with PH, a small corp with little ecenomic or overt military power, does not balance against the forces of an entire Alliance.
Unfortunately, while PH would very much like to maintain neutral or even positive standings with G, the -10 status is going to force G pilots to fire upon us during our forays into low sec space. That will force us to return fire, for there is little (no) time to examine 'show info' when combat is initiated, nor to negotiate a cease in hostilities due to the 'instagank' nature of EVE combat.
It will be regretable if members of PH are forced to engage G assets, but we will refrain until hostilities are engaged, and in such situations will not engage targets beyond those that aggress, until such a time as G and our own leadership determine where they wish to go with our mutual standings.
To members of G, allies of G, IRON, and others - PH has no hostile intentions toward your forces and do not retain negative status toward you. Pilots of Honour will not engage pending negotiations.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:20:00 -
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ex-pa fanboi alerts, makes you wonder if PA aare so great why you all arent part of it still 
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Gafton
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:21:00 -
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PA didnt resolve the situation fast enough for poh. The problems stemmed from poh being former xetic members and PA corps had them at negative standing. Earlier today poh engaged pa forces which set them to -10. Since poh want a fight they will get it.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 15/05/2005 00:49:33
Originally by: Gafton
PA didnt resolve the situation fast enough for poh. The problems stemmed from poh being former xetic members and PA corps had them at negative standing. Earlier today poh engaged pa forces which set them to -10. Since poh want a fight they will get it.
Two weeks ago Pilots of Honour requested entry into G space to do some mining. G granted that access and set PH to neutral or positive status, though there were a few hiccups with a few G members and frinds of G. Even one corp that had us at -10 and chased our ships around until we got things straight. It only took a few hours to get this situation remedied.
I do not know exactly when our leaders contacted PA to request an adjustment in standings, but I seem to recall it was within hours of entering G space when a PA vessel targeted and attempted to engage a PH interceptor.
After one of our pilots, in a shuttle, was attacked and podded by a PA pilot we attempted to get the problem worked out. That was 5 days prior to the situation which resulted in the loss of my own ship.
If PA can't get off its ass in five days and disceminate a change in standings to its member corps then it is clear that they do not have any desire to clarify its political situation to those member corps.
This situation, and the retaliatory actions undertaken by PH today, is a result of PA's dragging its feet on setting a simple change in status. It is not like we were asking for a +10, but we expected some manner of response given that PA's own leadership claimed that those adjustments were going to be made... days ago.
Yet today we were swiftly set to -10 by all PA assets active, within hours if not minutes.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Coupo
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
rgr.
2005.05.11 19:50:00
Victim: pershphanie
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Rupture
Solar System: D7-ZAC
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Kabalevsky
Security Status: -2.0
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Celtic industries
Ship Type: Claw
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: insuperable
Security Status: 2.1
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Shandra Nuy'kani (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 1.3
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I
Name: Alazais
Security Status: 2.2
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Ishkur
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Propolis
Security Status: 0.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Unknown
Destroyed items:
Type: Stasis Webifier I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Medium Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Carbonized Lead M (Cargo)
Quantity: 700
Type: Warp Scrambler I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 425mm AutoCannon I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Power Diagnostic System I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Proton M (Cargo)
Quantity: 32
Type: EMP M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 33
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:46:00 -
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On a more important note: Residents of Fade and Deklein are still neutral to me and therefor KOS. 
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Coupo
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
rgr.
2005.05.11 19:50:00
Victim: pershphanie
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Rupture
Solar System: D7-ZAC
System Security Level: 0.0
First of all:
You are not a member of The Phoenix Alliance. You should not be inserting your grievances into this post, which is between Pilots of Honour and PA.
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with. If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own). I assure you, PH engaged your ship because you were set to negative status and thus KOS to us, not because we were intent on pirating your ship.
To PA: I recind assertations as to the actions of your corps engaging in piracy. Jordel of Bladerunners brought this discrepancy to my attention and I agreed with his points.
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Alazais
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Alazais on 15/05/2005 01:04:41
pershphanie, in reponse to you suggest we started the aggression there, it is not like we just decided you looked like a nice target and blew you up. We were flying around that space where current hostilites between VA and their enemies ocurr... the point is we are friends of VA, as far as i know you are not... (correct me if i'm wrong) therefore you were set to -10. It really is as simple as the enemy of my friend is my enemy. So what i'm getting at is, we didn't shoot you for the fun of it.
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Kairia
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:04:00 -
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ul, you got owned. 
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with.
fair enough. Didn't realize you were with Celts. had you guys set to neutral before that so it was abit shocking.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
No thx. -10 is fine with us.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own).
no thx. the matter did not need two threads and I found it relative. I'll post whatever i feel like posting.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:31:00 -
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This is after all a public forum hence anything on here is between you and everyone else.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with.
fair enough. Didn't realize you were with Celts. had you guys set to neutral before that so it was abit shocking.
Yes, I am sure it was quite surprising. Unfortunately that is the nature of unexpected changes in political affiliations. I am sure that we, PH, are set to -10 status to corps we hardly ever expected to be so set by. We will find this out when they, as PH with you, suddenly attack us and we are left confused.
We are not Celts, but we are friends. As stated by Alazais and many war leaders of past centuries: The Enemy of my Friend is my Enemy, and such.
You were not singled out, nor your corp, specifically for destruction. It was just your unfortunate luck to run into that combat group.
The same situation I found myself in with Mosquitos Navy of PA the other day.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
No thx. -10 is fine with us.
As you wish.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own).
no thx. the matter did not need two threads and I found it relative. I'll post whatever i feel like posting.
Unfortunately it was not relative. This thread concerned our situation with the Phoenix Alliance, not with piracy (either in accusing or being accused), nor hostile standings toward other alliances. By posting your unfortunate encounter there you confused the situation on both sides.
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
guess thats why we saw the 4pods and 4 af/inties traveling fro IMK to H-w and beyond at speed today.
I can say, with fair certainty, that it was not because of the Apoc or Megathron we stumbled across today.
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Eversor on 15/05/2005 01:59:06
As head diplomat for the PA I had been tasked to look into this event in ec-p8r, it seems that pilots of honour standings to some PA corps had not been reset to neutral due to them being former Xetic and the war that at one point happened between both alliances. So anyway, they are now in the north I am contacted about this incident, I tell insuperable that I am going to talk to our pilot but I am not being able to do for a couple of days. I want to give our pilot a benefit of a doubt and also wanted to see if perhaps the shooting was justified from our side (maybe he was flying with pirates).
Today I convoed Insuperable, he appeared on the channel but never replied. I don't like to post chat logs but since the person I was trying to get a hold of never even answered here it is:
Channel ID: 2100491820
Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
Listener: Eversor
[ 2005.05.14 16:32:51 ] Eversor > hi
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:06 ] Eversor > just wanted to let you know that I am working on your guy pod implant thing
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:26 ] Eversor > IF I don't hear from the pilot by today I will get PA to pay for it
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:35 ] Eversor > *our pilot
[ 2005.05.14 16:34:04 ] Eversor > hello?
anyway I had to go AFK and when I get back I hear that there are pilots of honour attacking PA in BKG, I log on my alt there and this is what ensued.
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Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30004333),)
Channel Name: Local
Listener: Orbis Viator
Session started: 2005.05.14 17:19:56
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[ 2005.05.14 17:20:42 ] Orbis Viator > You pilots of honour better talk to your ceo
[ 2005.05.14 17:20:51 ] BAWBAG74 > 2 of us are going down to do a complex, if we get access to it anyone want to join?
[ 2005.05.14 17:20:58 ] insuperable > ask him
[ 2005.05.14 17:20:59 ] Orbis Viator > we were working on fixing whatever happened to your pilot in ecp8r the other day
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:00 ] insuperable > he is in gang mate
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:13 ] Orbis Viator > this is eversor
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:14 ] Zebenna > too l8t
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:23 ] insuperable > you shot more of our pilots
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:25 ] Orbis Viator > was contacting you earlier but you were afk
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:43 ] Orbis Viator > yeah Q-cab
[ 2005.05.14 17:22:16 ] Orbis Viator > was going to make sure standings were fixed
[ 2005.05.14 17:22:30 ] Orbis Viator > but this is not going to help
[ 2005.05.14 17:23:06 ] Orbis Viator > you guys were former Xetic correct? (I asked since that was probably why standings weren't showing properly to their corp)
[ 2005.05.14 17:25:58 ] madmarc > 8) (one of our guys is attacked)
[ 2005.05.14 17:26:04 ] madmarc > clone jump
[ 2005.05.14 17:29:22 ] Orbis Viator > fine you want a war you have it
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:20 ] insuperable > hmm bring more tech2 pls
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:39 ] Odine > yay!
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:47 ] Odine > tech 2 cookies!
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:54 ] Odine > wer runnin low
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:57 ] Coupo > well when you pay up the near 1 billion isks you owe us for killing one of our people, well leave.. maybe :/
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:25 ] Propolis > Bring me the one you call "freelancer91"
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:33 ] Freelancer91 > LOL.
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:37 ] Freelancer91 > here I am.
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:43 ] Zebenna > where
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:47 ] Odine > lol
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:52 ] Zebenna > i want to meet you
[ 2005.05.14 17:32:18 ] Freelancer91 > well, its rather difficult atm. unless u want to mine together
I highlighted the part about the amount of isk, supposedly the guy shot in ecp8r had lost only a clone and two implants which were going to be repaid (90 mill isk), the other incident in Qcab was also being investigated. Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
I just post this so people can see that PA acts in good faith and it seems that some people don't have patience and until CCP gets a way for Alliance standings to overide individual corp standings, these kinds of events will always happen. No matter how hard you push people to get standings to match Alliance's there is always some lag involved, that is just the current game mechanics.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:11:00 -
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Cool. -10 to IRON.
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unforg1ven
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:12:00 -
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Pilots of S&(T ---- they want targets ... i remember you guys attackin PA long before some PA attacked you so go play with the missions in empire please .... and DRINK SOME MILK TO GROW UP !
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 02:20:29
So? at that point i thought the guys PA podded had several +4 implants in and as far as im aware, as i sell the bloody things theyre worth a hell of a lot of money.
Plus, If you wanted war with us, we would have prefered you NOT to string us along like you did.
And the same for G and IRON, dont tell people one thing when you dont mean it.
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[ 2005.05.14 17:20:59 ] Orbis Viator > we were working on fixing whatever happened to your pilot in ecp8r the other day
After how many days? lax diplomats are not diplomats AT ALL..
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