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Zorlya
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Posted - 2005.05.14 22:41:00 -
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Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
We then attempted to contact the PA diplomats, who were all offline. We were able to contact the PA leader, Cochise through G diplomats, whom assured us that this would never happen again.
On the 13th of May, Evilene and some others from PA yet again proved their intentions by attacking another of our members, Icarus Starkiller.
Following these transgressions, and considering that the PA officials are being uncooperative, we will regard each and every PA pilot as KOS to our entire force, effective immediately.
If The Phoenix Alliance wishes to resolve this situation by paying reparations then please contact Insuperable.
Yours Faithfully,
The Pilots of Honour Council.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Zorlya
Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you. |
Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:09:00 -
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seems PA once again is the flavour of the season .
seems once again some corps seek excuses ? or as a pvp corp you dont know how 0,0 works ?
..not stickin out for them but...
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Zorlya
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:17:00 -
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"Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you."
Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
"seems PA once again is the flavour of the season .
seems once again some corps seek excuses ? or as a pvp corp you dont know how 0,0 works ?
..not stickin out for them but..."
Flavour of the season? Hardly we are just 1 corp lol.
Excuses? We have lost ships and isk to PA shooting us, we are shooting back.
And yes, we know how 0.0 works, we've lived there for a long time.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Zorlya
Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you.
So their justification once again is "they were piratingö? What a load of crap.
This whole,, no pirating in the north is so laughable, even PA members are going against the "rules" PA claims to hold as gospel.
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:20:00 -
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i mean as when teh other dude whined about PA you start as well , maybe im wrong ofc .
...i just hmz ..nm :)
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zorlya
"Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you."
Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
Really? Cause I dont recall our corp having any previous interaction with your corp. We were surely not told that we were set to -10. I had you set to neutral yet was attacked by your corp. I know you were probably just trying to show off for celts, but still. |
juduzz
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:26:00 -
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guess thats why we saw the 4pods and 4 af/inties traveling fro IMK to H-w and beyond at speed today.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Foyle
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Zorlya
Effective from 14/05/05 from the time of posting, Pilots of Honour declare that all members of the Phoenix Alliance are hereby set to -10.0 standings, i.e KOS.
On the 9th of May, SunTzuCsu from the Phoenix Alliance initiated hostilities against Ultravires from PH. We immediately contacted the agressor to attempt to resolve the situation, followed by the director of the agressing corporation. Both of these people ignored our request for indemnification.
Maybe if you didnt run around pirating PA wouldnt shoot you.
So their justification once again is "they were piratingö? What a load of crap.
No. I don't know what their justification was. But I do know that'll usually do it. |
Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 14/05/2005 23:38:50
Hmm... okay.
PA podded one of our members after blowing up his shuttle. I fail to see how our member was attempting to pirate the PA pilot(s) responsible.
Due to a problem with my autonav I ended up warping into the middle of a small fleet of 8 ships near a gate (large squares, but I didn't see what they were). Two of the 8 immediately agressed, despite the supposed 'neutral' status that the PA leadership claimed that they were going to set PH to after the first debacle 5 days before.
Was I pirating? Rather difficult against so many ships, and me in a single assault frigate. I never even had a chance to return fire.
PA claim that PH is pirating, but we do not pirate. We simply attack those corps that have aggressed us in 0.0, such as PA and others. We are no longer Xetic, yet many anti-Xetic forces seem to have it in for ex-XF corps anyway.
Oh well.
We find it rather amazing that it took only minutes for PA to set us to -10 after our counter offensive, when we had spent a good week asking repeatedly to be set neutral (and recieving affirmations that we had been so set).
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:36:00 -
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Quote:
Guess thats why we saw the 4pods and 4 af/inties traveling fro IMK to H-w and beyond at speed today.
We kill ships, we lose ships. But I think you'll find we kill more than we lose :P
Interesting...
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:44:00 -
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Continuing from what Icarus said, i feel just in saying that PA are infact the aggressors and do indeed reqire punishment as they refused to recompence losses to us, or the pilots which took the loss.
If i had attacked a member of PA/G/IRON/VA/5/XF/SA/AA/Fountain/IMP et cetera im sure a terrible guffuffle would have ensued and payment would have been made. But, no, i can see more honour in a pirate than i can see in PA right now.
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
And furthermore, so what we lost 4 frigates.. atleast we dont log out during combat, or claim a massive victory after such heavy losses to 10 frigates..
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Acwron
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Posted - 2005.05.14 23:46:00 -
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Just for your information G set you -10.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Just for your information G set you -10.
We can understand their reasons for doing so. They want to remain 'favorable' to PA who frequent G space and sit right across the side yard in the next house. One does not go out of the way to peeve off the neighbors without good reason.
And retaining positive standings with PH, a small corp with little ecenomic or overt military power, does not balance against the forces of an entire Alliance.
Unfortunately, while PH would very much like to maintain neutral or even positive standings with G, the -10 status is going to force G pilots to fire upon us during our forays into low sec space. That will force us to return fire, for there is little (no) time to examine 'show info' when combat is initiated, nor to negotiate a cease in hostilities due to the 'instagank' nature of EVE combat.
It will be regretable if members of PH are forced to engage G assets, but we will refrain until hostilities are engaged, and in such situations will not engage targets beyond those that aggress, until such a time as G and our own leadership determine where they wish to go with our mutual standings.
To members of G, allies of G, IRON, and others - PH has no hostile intentions toward your forces and do not retain negative status toward you. Pilots of Honour will not engage pending negotiations.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:20:00 -
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ex-pa fanboi alerts, makes you wonder if PA aare so great why you all arent part of it still 
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Gafton
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:21:00 -
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PA didnt resolve the situation fast enough for poh. The problems stemmed from poh being former xetic members and PA corps had them at negative standing. Earlier today poh engaged pa forces which set them to -10. Since poh want a fight they will get it.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:39:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 15/05/2005 00:49:33
Originally by: Gafton
PA didnt resolve the situation fast enough for poh. The problems stemmed from poh being former xetic members and PA corps had them at negative standing. Earlier today poh engaged pa forces which set them to -10. Since poh want a fight they will get it.
Two weeks ago Pilots of Honour requested entry into G space to do some mining. G granted that access and set PH to neutral or positive status, though there were a few hiccups with a few G members and frinds of G. Even one corp that had us at -10 and chased our ships around until we got things straight. It only took a few hours to get this situation remedied.
I do not know exactly when our leaders contacted PA to request an adjustment in standings, but I seem to recall it was within hours of entering G space when a PA vessel targeted and attempted to engage a PH interceptor.
After one of our pilots, in a shuttle, was attacked and podded by a PA pilot we attempted to get the problem worked out. That was 5 days prior to the situation which resulted in the loss of my own ship.
If PA can't get off its ass in five days and disceminate a change in standings to its member corps then it is clear that they do not have any desire to clarify its political situation to those member corps.
This situation, and the retaliatory actions undertaken by PH today, is a result of PA's dragging its feet on setting a simple change in status. It is not like we were asking for a +10, but we expected some manner of response given that PA's own leadership claimed that those adjustments were going to be made... days ago.
Yet today we were swiftly set to -10 by all PA assets active, within hours if not minutes.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Coupo
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
rgr.
2005.05.11 19:50:00
Victim: pershphanie
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Rupture
Solar System: D7-ZAC
System Security Level: 0.0
Involved parties:
Name: Kabalevsky
Security Status: -2.0
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Celtic industries
Ship Type: Claw
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: insuperable
Security Status: 2.1
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Shandra Nuy'kani (laid the final blow)
Security Status: 1.3
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Bloodclaw Light Missile I
Name: Alazais
Security Status: 2.2
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Ishkur
Weapon Type: Unknown
Name: Propolis
Security Status: 0.4
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pilots Of Honour
Ship Type: Crow
Weapon Type: Unknown
Destroyed items:
Type: Stasis Webifier I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Medium Armor Repairer I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Carbonized Lead M (Cargo)
Quantity: 700
Type: Warp Scrambler I (Fitted - Medium slot)
Type: Heavy Missile Launcher I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: 425mm AutoCannon I (Fitted - High slot)
Type: Power Diagnostic System I (Fitted - Low slot)
Type: Proton M (Cargo)
Quantity: 32
Type: EMP M (Fitted - High slot)
Quantity: 33
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.05.15 00:46:00 -
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On a more important note: Residents of Fade and Deklein are still neutral to me and therefor KOS. 
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Coupo
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
rgr.
2005.05.11 19:50:00
Victim: pershphanie
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Rupture
Solar System: D7-ZAC
System Security Level: 0.0
First of all:
You are not a member of The Phoenix Alliance. You should not be inserting your grievances into this post, which is between Pilots of Honour and PA.
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with. If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own). I assure you, PH engaged your ship because you were set to negative status and thus KOS to us, not because we were intent on pirating your ship.
To PA: I recind assertations as to the actions of your corps engaging in piracy. Jordel of Bladerunners brought this discrepancy to my attention and I agreed with his points.
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Alazais
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Alazais on 15/05/2005 01:04:41
pershphanie, in reponse to you suggest we started the aggression there, it is not like we just decided you looked like a nice target and blew you up. We were flying around that space where current hostilites between VA and their enemies ocurr... the point is we are friends of VA, as far as i know you are not... (correct me if i'm wrong) therefore you were set to -10. It really is as simple as the enemy of my friend is my enemy. So what i'm getting at is, we didn't shoot you for the fun of it.
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Kairia
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:04:00 -
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ul, you got owned. 
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with.
fair enough. Didn't realize you were with Celts. had you guys set to neutral before that so it was abit shocking.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
No thx. -10 is fine with us.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own).
no thx. the matter did not need two threads and I found it relative. I'll post whatever i feel like posting.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:31:00 -
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This is after all a public forum hence anything on here is between you and everyone else.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with.
fair enough. Didn't realize you were with Celts. had you guys set to neutral before that so it was abit shocking.
Yes, I am sure it was quite surprising. Unfortunately that is the nature of unexpected changes in political affiliations. I am sure that we, PH, are set to -10 status to corps we hardly ever expected to be so set by. We will find this out when they, as PH with you, suddenly attack us and we are left confused.
We are not Celts, but we are friends. As stated by Alazais and many war leaders of past centuries: The Enemy of my Friend is my Enemy, and such.
You were not singled out, nor your corp, specifically for destruction. It was just your unfortunate luck to run into that combat group.
The same situation I found myself in with Mosquitos Navy of PA the other day.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
No thx. -10 is fine with us.
As you wish.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own).
no thx. the matter did not need two threads and I found it relative. I'll post whatever i feel like posting.
Unfortunately it was not relative. This thread concerned our situation with the Phoenix Alliance, not with piracy (either in accusing or being accused), nor hostile standings toward other alliances. By posting your unfortunate encounter there you confused the situation on both sides.
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
guess thats why we saw the 4pods and 4 af/inties traveling fro IMK to H-w and beyond at speed today.
I can say, with fair certainty, that it was not because of the Apoc or Megathron we stumbled across today.
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.05.15 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Eversor on 15/05/2005 01:59:06
As head diplomat for the PA I had been tasked to look into this event in ec-p8r, it seems that pilots of honour standings to some PA corps had not been reset to neutral due to them being former Xetic and the war that at one point happened between both alliances. So anyway, they are now in the north I am contacted about this incident, I tell insuperable that I am going to talk to our pilot but I am not being able to do for a couple of days. I want to give our pilot a benefit of a doubt and also wanted to see if perhaps the shooting was justified from our side (maybe he was flying with pirates).
Today I convoed Insuperable, he appeared on the channel but never replied. I don't like to post chat logs but since the person I was trying to get a hold of never even answered here it is:
Channel ID: 2100491820
Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
Listener: Eversor
[ 2005.05.14 16:32:51 ] Eversor > hi
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:06 ] Eversor > just wanted to let you know that I am working on your guy pod implant thing
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:26 ] Eversor > IF I don't hear from the pilot by today I will get PA to pay for it
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:35 ] Eversor > *our pilot
[ 2005.05.14 16:34:04 ] Eversor > hello?
anyway I had to go AFK and when I get back I hear that there are pilots of honour attacking PA in BKG, I log on my alt there and this is what ensued.
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Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30004333),)
Channel Name: Local
Listener: Orbis Viator
Session started: 2005.05.14 17:19:56
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[ 2005.05.14 17:20:42 ] Orbis Viator > You pilots of honour better talk to your ceo
[ 2005.05.14 17:20:51 ] BAWBAG74 > 2 of us are going down to do a complex, if we get access to it anyone want to join?
[ 2005.05.14 17:20:58 ] insuperable > ask him
[ 2005.05.14 17:20:59 ] Orbis Viator > we were working on fixing whatever happened to your pilot in ecp8r the other day
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:00 ] insuperable > he is in gang mate
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:13 ] Orbis Viator > this is eversor
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:14 ] Zebenna > too l8t
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:23 ] insuperable > you shot more of our pilots
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:25 ] Orbis Viator > was contacting you earlier but you were afk
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:43 ] Orbis Viator > yeah Q-cab
[ 2005.05.14 17:22:16 ] Orbis Viator > was going to make sure standings were fixed
[ 2005.05.14 17:22:30 ] Orbis Viator > but this is not going to help
[ 2005.05.14 17:23:06 ] Orbis Viator > you guys were former Xetic correct? (I asked since that was probably why standings weren't showing properly to their corp)
[ 2005.05.14 17:25:58 ] madmarc > 8) (one of our guys is attacked)
[ 2005.05.14 17:26:04 ] madmarc > clone jump
[ 2005.05.14 17:29:22 ] Orbis Viator > fine you want a war you have it
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:20 ] insuperable > hmm bring more tech2 pls
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:39 ] Odine > yay!
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:47 ] Odine > tech 2 cookies!
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:54 ] Odine > wer runnin low
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:57 ] Coupo > well when you pay up the near 1 billion isks you owe us for killing one of our people, well leave.. maybe :/
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:25 ] Propolis > Bring me the one you call "freelancer91"
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:33 ] Freelancer91 > LOL.
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:37 ] Freelancer91 > here I am.
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:43 ] Zebenna > where
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:47 ] Odine > lol
[ 2005.05.14 17:31:52 ] Zebenna > i want to meet you
[ 2005.05.14 17:32:18 ] Freelancer91 > well, its rather difficult atm. unless u want to mine together
I highlighted the part about the amount of isk, supposedly the guy shot in ecp8r had lost only a clone and two implants which were going to be repaid (90 mill isk), the other incident in Qcab was also being investigated. Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
I just post this so people can see that PA acts in good faith and it seems that some people don't have patience and until CCP gets a way for Alliance standings to overide individual corp standings, these kinds of events will always happen. No matter how hard you push people to get standings to match Alliance's there is always some lag involved, that is just the current game mechanics.
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:11:00 -
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Cool. -10 to IRON.
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unforg1ven
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:12:00 -
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Pilots of S&(T ---- they want targets ... i remember you guys attackin PA long before some PA attacked you so go play with the missions in empire please .... and DRINK SOME MILK TO GROW UP !
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 02:20:29
So? at that point i thought the guys PA podded had several +4 implants in and as far as im aware, as i sell the bloody things theyre worth a hell of a lot of money.
Plus, If you wanted war with us, we would have prefered you NOT to string us along like you did.
And the same for G and IRON, dont tell people one thing when you dont mean it.
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[ 2005.05.14 17:20:59 ] Orbis Viator > we were working on fixing whatever happened to your pilot in ecp8r the other day
After how many days? lax diplomats are not diplomats AT ALL..
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eversor
Edited by: Eversor on 15/05/2005 01:59:06
Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
Arrogance would've been losing everything and then continuing to be overbearing in local chat.
Its not arrogance if we actually are superior.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 15/05/2005 02:34:29
Originally by: Eversor
Edited by: Eversor on 15/05/2005 01:59:06
Channel ID: 2100491820
Channel Name: Private Chat (alone) <'Alone' generally means that there's no one on the channel to listen, so what good did/does this bit of conversation mean?>
Listener: Eversor
[ 2005.05.14 16:32:51 ] Eversor > hi
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:06 ] Eversor > just wanted to let you know that I am working on your guy pod implant thing
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:26 ] Eversor > IF I don't hear from the pilot by today I will get PA to pay for it
[ 2005.05.14 16:33:35 ] Eversor > *our pilot
[ 2005.05.14 16:34:04 ] Eversor > hello?
Re: the above highlighted comment.
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anyway I had to go AFK and when I get back I hear that there are pilots of honour attacking PA in BKG, I log on my alt there
An alt with no description to tell our local pilots that he's squat all in PA? Who's to listen, or care? You did not identify yourself as any sort of rank, diplomat, or leader within PA or even your own corp. Quote:
[ 2005.05.14 17:21:13 ] Orbis Viator > this is eversor
Okay, you identified yourself. Did you back that up with an attempted convo with Eversor realizing that Insuperable (and Odine, the listed CEO) was active?
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[ 2005.05.14 17:29:22 ] Orbis Viator > fine you want a war you have it
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:20 ] insuperable > hmm bring more tech2 pls
Oh, yeah, that was a positive response. *heh*
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[ 2005.05.14 17:30:39 ] Odine > yay!
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:47 ] Odine > tech 2 cookies!
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:54 ] Odine > wer runnin low
[ 2005.05.14 17:30:57 ] Coupo > well when you pay up the near 1 billion isks you owe us for killing
one of our people, well leave.. maybe :/
I highlighted the part about the amount of isk, supposedly the guy shot in ecp8r had lost only a clone and two implants which were going to be repaid (90 mill isk), the other incident in Qcab was also being investigated. Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
I just post this so people can see that PA acts in good faith and it seems that some people don't have patience and until CCP gets a way for Alliance standings to overide individual corp standings, these kinds of events will always happen. No matter how hard you push people to get standings to match Alliance's there is always some lag involved, that is just the current game mechanics.
Ah... I myself had a somewhat unfavorable reaction to the mention of a billion isk for the losses.
The implants were quite expensive, admittedly (I lost some hardwiring, Ultra lost some +3s), as well as my ship and its outfit, but I found this initial demand rather excessive. Insuperable brought that down, but I was AFK and did not catch his final ammount.
As for the chat log, well... trying to convo a combat group after a fight is like trying to calm down a fighting dog fresh out of the pits. Better to use eve-mail.
And using an alt not identified as a corp director, diplomat, and completely lacking any identifying description, is quite fruitless. It would be akin to me making diplomatic agreements not being even a PH council member.
As for 'patience'... PH had it standings, all of them adjusted within hours of leaving Xetic. Yes, we are a single corp, but all it takes is a single alliance mail (which is spammed to every member and every corp) to issue a request for status change. If a corp does not do that it should be the responsibility of PA to either make reparations, or request that the offending corp do so. Believe me, Xetic was quick to tell a corp to pay up when they screwed up (and often enough when they did not).
As for 'arrogant' attitude in local, consider the events of that situation. Would a PA member not act just as arrogant had they won a similar battle?
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Malacore
Originally by: Eversor
Edited by: Eversor on 15/05/2005 01:59:06
Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
Arrogance would've been losing everything and then continuing to be overbearing in local chat.
Its not arrogance if we actually are superior.
hehe thats realying pushing the boundiers
ow i was just posting poh have allways been nice guys maybe hanging with them celts caused it, looks like PA was pretty fair there 2.
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: Icarus Starkiller on 15/05/2005 02:41:36
Originally by: unforg1ven
Pilots of S&(T ---- they want targets ... i remember you guys attackin PA long before some PA attacked you so go play with the missions in empire please .... and DRINK SOME MILK TO GROW UP !
You need your milk, and wheaties too. Plus a memory.
As with Perse, you are not a member of PA, or at least your corp info does not list your corporation as a member of PA, and yet you speak on their behalf? Or simply to interject your singular wit into this conversation?
PH attacked PA a couple of months ago because PA was involved with an active war against Xetic Alliance at the time. As we were members of Xetic it was our function, and orders, to harass PA assets while their forces were down in Xetic space harassing Xetic members.
It was not because we had a personal vendetta gainst PA, that was our function at the time.
This last time we were not members of Xetic, but some corps still treated us accordingly. Perhaps in that past assault we attacked them, perhaps not. Just as with any war, once it's over it's over, and everyone adjusts their standings accordingly.
After all, we don't willy nilly go around shooting Shinra or ATUK or Shadow Squadron despite past wars... but then they have not attacked us either. All such things are subject to change, and rapidly so.
Or, in the case of PA, slowly so.
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Malacore
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Malacore on 15/05/2005 02:38:25
Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: Malacore
Originally by: Eversor
Edited by: Eversor on 15/05/2005 01:59:06
Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
Arrogance would've been losing everything and then continuing to be overbearing in local chat.
Its not arrogance if we actually are superior.
hehe thats realying pushing the boundiers
Its not as if they were in a big rush to stop us, or is that what the Iteron V was for?
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malacore
Its not as if they were in a big rush to stop us, or is that what the Iteron V was for?
If you keep following this thread along the same vein, Mal, all there's going to be is a string of single letters climbing up the quote and re-quote ladder without saying a whole lot, eh?
Let's get this thing worked out with PA and post our trophies on the shelf after all's said and done.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.05.15 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
We can understand their reasons for doing so. They want to remain 'favorable' to PA who frequent G space and sit right across the side yard in the next house. One does not go out of the way to peeve off the neighbors without good reason.
Wrong. We remain friends after the whole GNW bull**** and stick together.
No more "Jade Constantine"-like plots (esp. forum posts like this one) Be sure that we will never let this happen again.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.15 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Coupo
For those that feel that PH are indeed the aggressors, you should get up to speed on how Pilots of Honour handle themselves. If you claim us to be the aggressors then post kill mails that we can affirm.
rgr.
2005.05.11 19:50:00
Victim: pershphanie
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Generals Of Destruction Syndicate
Destroyed Type: Rupture
Solar System: D7-ZAC
System Security Level: 0.0
First of all:
You are not a member of The Phoenix Alliance. You should not be inserting your grievances into this post, which is between Pilots of Honour and PA.
Your corp is set to negative status due to GDS attacks against corporations we are allied with. If your corporation wants to remedy its negative status, and thus KOS standings, they should contact Insuperable in game and engage in negotiations.
Until such a time, please refrain from entering your losses and interpretations into this forum post (create your own). I assure you, PH engaged your ship because you were set to negative status and thus KOS to us, not because we were intent on pirating your ship.
To PA: I recind assertations as to the actions of your corps engaging in piracy. Jordel of Bladerunners brought this discrepancy to my attention and I agreed with his points.
All I gotta say is EX-XETIC whiners are runing the North with the idiotic forum whining again.
As you will notice, GODS didnt feel the need to start a forum thread when you shot down persh's rupture, we just set you to -10 and move on. You on the other hand cry like little girls because you got podded by a PA pilot.
DIE RETARDS DIE !!!!
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.05.15 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
ex-pa fanboi alerts, makes you wonder if PA aare so great why you all arent part of it still
Are you really the one to say something like that :)
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Madboy
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Posted - 2005.05.15 06:38:00 -
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Edited by: Madboy on 15/05/2005 06:39:05
lol,
I have been thru many problems with the PA as both CEO in two corporations.
It takes time to sort out standings (about 4 - 5 days recently with my new corp) and from the look of things you didn't give enough time to get everything sorted out and now you will not only have problems with the PA but IRON, G and Friends. 
lol, you should have waited a bit longer before launching a attack on the PA because even tho it sometimes seems to take a month  to get standings set. Its mainly because as someone said you can not replace individual corporate standings with alliance standings. So you have to tell individual reps to set to standing for each corporation and not always will everyone be available because of *cough* real life.
To be honest I think you guys just got bored and thought the PA would be a easy way to get a few kills.  And the rest of the crap is just an excuse. (THEY HAVEN'T REPLIED ABOUT STANDINGS AFTER 2 HOURS? LETS KILL THEM!! lol *jokes*)
Have fun,
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Posted - 2005.05.15 07:14:00 -
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It always amazes me when people make these little events into huge issues just so they are "justified" to go fight someone.
If you want to fight PA, then just go fight PA.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.05.15 08:33:00 -
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I always prefer to use wepons as my means of diplomacy.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.15 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
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Posted - 2005.05.15 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Orest
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Posted - 2005.05.15 09:46:00 -
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There is a lot of disussion in these days about pirate elements in PA. The alliances G / PA / Iron have a long tradition in being anti-pirate. The friendship between those alliances has grown over many months.
We protect the north from pirates. This is often very difficult. New corps are created every day. Ex-pirates join new corps and claim to be anti-pirate. The neutral corps have fights under each other. But we as an alliance have to remain neutral to both. The situation is very complex. Sometimes a pilot at a gate has to decide in seconds if he should open fire or not. The safety of his own ship or his comrades depend on this decison. I have been in situations like this many times before. There is no perfect solution to this problem. The concept of open space and anti pirate is difficult to achieve.
The trust and respect we have under the northern alliances has grown over a long time. POH should be more careful with posts like this. In addition to this POH should ask themselves what have they contributed to the stability of the north? It is little compared to PA. And you -10 statement is a joke. You have neither pilots nor the pvp experience to bring it.
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.05.15 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Orest
The alliances G / PA / Iron have a long tradition in being anti-pirate.
PA also have a very long tradition of being unable to keep their pilots under control, there is no smoke without fire.
Eve Blacklight Style
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:07:00 -
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All I gotta say is EX-XETIC whiners are runing the North with the idiotic forum whining again.
We are not whining, we are stating what we are going to do. As you know many corps and alliances live in the north. This is a public forum, and by far the easiest way to get the message across.
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You on the other hand cry like little girls because you got podded by a PA pilot.
We arent crying, we are just blowing up every PA pilot we see.
Eversor, im sorry about that with the convo. But your on my address book and it automatically opens a convo. With me being busy in RL at the time and problems with my computer I did not get that message.
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[ 2005.05.14 17:23:06 ] Orbis Viator > you guys were former Xetic correct? (I asked since that was probably why standings weren't showing properly to their corp)
I have been over this many times, and yes thats probably the reason for the attacks and the first kill by PA. However we assumed you knew we left Xetic as your official from your alliance for recruitment, tried to get us to join you.
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[ 2005.05.14 17:22:16 ] Orbis Viator > was going to make sure standings were fixed
Cochise and other PA officials assured me they were fixed and that it would never happen again.
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I highlighted the part about the amount of isk, supposedly the guy shot in ecp8r had lost only a clone and two implants which were going to be repaid (90 mill isk), the other incident in Qcab was also being investigated. Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
After coupo posted that I told him on ts the exact losses etc we had sustained and what it amounted to.
I sent Gafton an eve-mail last night with the exact amount. If you would like it, please ask him to forward it on.
Something I would like to say about the PA diplomatic team is that is disgusting when you have to go through G to establish contact in anyway shape or form.
Since the first incident occured to this moment, G have put more effort into resolving this than the PA themselves.
You may think we are a small corp and we wont do alot of damage to you. But one thing I can say and that is, we could live off of the cap recharger 2s you drop. This war will continue until the PA pays the reparations.
Interesting...
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 11:26:02
adding on from what insup has said:
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As you will notice, GODS didnt feel the need to start a forum thread when you shot down persh's rupture, we just set you to -10 and move on. You on the other hand cry like little girls because you got podded by a PA pilot.
And GODS standings towards PH doesnt matter here anyway do they, last time i checked, as far as we knew you still had us to -10. We might not of attacked you if you would have let us know that you had changed your standings towards us. But thats not our problem is it.
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It takes time to sort out standings (about 4 - 5 days recently with my new corp) and from the look of things you didn't give enough time to get everything sorted out and now you will not only have problems with the PA but IRON, G and Friends.
lol, you should have waited a bit longer before launching a attack on the PA because even tho it sometimes seems to take a month
4-5 days, from when we arranged the pass.. i think it must have been 2 weeks perhaps even longer.. if i remember rightly we were in talks with G even before we left XF.
And if it takes PA a month to get their stuff together, then they need to get better leaders. Or theyll end up in the same boat as XF, and that leadership lead XF down to the plonk shop.
Edit:
Its PH, not PoH, the o is silent.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:31:00 -
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Sorry i love sticking my nose in.
Accident happen space & eve is full of turds but also got loads of good folk to.
" All I gotta say is EX-XETIC whiners are runing the North with the idiotic forum whining again. " < more evidance of turds.
Zorlya your pilot have got well out hand in this post & check ya corp name.
PA claery agreed there was an incident & was offing to pay, noonoe gunno pay 1 bill haha for 1 guys ship & implants, thats a total silly amount i dowt any of your pilots total worth but im not here to dig, your good fella or was & you kow G IRON so why blow all that & all this spam when PA come forward right away ?.
If your fast acting i suspect you can still recover as there not a bunch of pirates type now up north, north/west lets say to be safe hehe.
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: insuperable
Quote:
All I gotta say is EX-XETIC whiners are runing the North with the idiotic forum whining again.
We are not whining, we are stating what we are going to do. As you know many corps and alliances live in the north. This is a public forum, and by far the easiest way to get the message across.
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You on the other hand cry like little girls because you got podded by a PA pilot.
We arent crying, we are just blowing up every PA pilot we see.
Eversor, im sorry about that with the convo. But your on my address book and it automatically opens a convo. With me being busy in RL at the time and problems with my computer I did not get that message.
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[ 2005.05.14 17:23:06 ] Orbis Viator > you guys were former Xetic correct? (I asked since that was probably why standings weren't showing properly to their corp)
I have been over this many times, and yes thats probably the reason for the attacks and the first kill by PA. However we assumed you knew we left Xetic as your official from your alliance for recruitment, tried to get us to join you.
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[ 2005.05.14 17:22:16 ] Orbis Viator > was going to make sure standings were fixed
Cochise and other PA officials assured me they were fixed and that it would never happen again.
Quote:
I highlighted the part about the amount of isk, supposedly the guy shot in ecp8r had lost only a clone and two implants which were going to be repaid (90 mill isk), the other incident in Qcab was also being investigated. Anyway suddenly now its 1 billion isk and an arrogant attitude on local.
After coupo posted that I told him on ts the exact losses etc we had sustained and what it amounted to.
I sent Gafton an eve-mail last night with the exact amount. If you would like it, please ask him to forward it on.
Something I would like to say about the PA diplomatic team is that is disgusting when you have to go through G to establish contact in anyway shape or form.
Since the first incident occured to this moment, G have put more effort into resolving this than the PA themselves.
You may think we are a small corp and we wont do alot of damage to you. But one thing I can say and that is, we could live off of the cap recharger 2s you drop. This war will continue until the PA pays the reparations.
LOL Somehow I doubt you have the pilots or the skill to fight the PA. Plus the fact you've just ****ed off everypone in the North. I wish you a short an unpleasant stay.
This entire thread is a stleath attempt at trying to get POH into the limelight as some uber PvP corp. Anyone with about 3 braincells could figure that out by the
"evol-esque" tone in the POH pilot's posts. Unfortunately for them, the are incapable of doing anything else other than forum warfare.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:37:00 -
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My eyes hurt reading all this diplomatic crap. Attack who you want to attack, you don't need justification or reasoning but you must be responsible for your actions.
Good luck and we'll be seeing you in space.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:38:00 -
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Well first of having fought PoH before i`m pretty damn sure they dont pirate.. infact last i heard they were completely against it (unless they have felt the true power of the darkside). They are a good bunch, except icarus starkiller (sorry mate but still remember your endless smacktalking in the xetic war)
Alliances are nearly always slow to respond and there are always people who dont listen to alliance mails etc etc, i remember in FoE....
On a side note what are PA/G/IRON/GODS/FE etc etc standings towards Shadow Squadron?
I dont really see why theres a big hurrah about it all tbh. More targets for you all and more fun. Enjoy Naps are boring anyway
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Posted - 2005.05.15 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Acwron on 15/05/2005 11:48:43
Just some advice for PH about diplomatic dealings and the north:
- Do not start threads like this on the Forums.
- Threatening people does no good.
- Don't tell people to convo you to solve stuff, it's your responsiblity.
- If people offer compensation be nice and accept.
- Inform yourself about the political situation before you enter a region of space.
- Do not attack people if you want to solve the situation.
- Be aware that alliances react slow and accidents happen.
So if you want to solve it you better stop posting stuff on the forums and try to resolve it ingame.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 12:06:00 -
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That looks like a sweet end post from cat guy, click
" This entire thread is a stleath attempt at trying to get POH into the limelight "
I guess it could never be as simple as someone getting upset about a ship loss, your coments are all over this forum never contructive & useless at derailing ect, leave it to DB & other.
if its clicked remove me to thanks.
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Posted - 2005.05.15 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
That looks like a sweet end post from cat guy, click
" This entire thread is a stleath attempt at trying to get POH into the limelight "
I guess it could never be as simple as someone getting upset about a ship loss, your coments are all over this forum never contructive & useless at derailing ect, leave it to DB & other.
if its clicked remove me to thanks.
Ok didnt understand a word of what you just said. But the point is, that losing one ship doesn't justify spamming the forums with chest beating rhetoric. It certainly does not justify branding an entire alliance as "pirates", as meaningless as that term is now. So I still think this is just an attempt to grab some attention.
Just beacuse I disapprove of your whiney posts, does not mean that mine are equally pointless, Mr SINBIN. Now go back and whine about some events, or how instas are unfair or some such crap.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 12:20:00 -
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LOL Somehow I doubt you have the pilots or the skill to fight the PA. Plus the fact you've just ****ed off everypone in the North. I wish you a short an unpleasant stay.
This entire thread is a stleath attempt at trying to get POH into the limelight as some uber PvP corp. Anyone with about 3 braincells could figure that out by the
"evol-esque" tone in the POH pilot's posts. Unfortunately for them, the are incapable of doing anything else other than forum warfare.
we dont live there :/ so why would we be staying? as for the stealth claim.. we dont care if were known or not. Were not an uber pvp corp but then were not crap either.
And if anything sir, you trying to start a flame war or trolling session isnt really required here. If you have a problem with us bring it to us, dont hide away crying wolf on forums.
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My eyes hurt reading all this diplomatic crap. Attack who you want to attack, you don't need justification or reasoning but you must be responsible for your actions.
We are responsible for our actions, PA are not being responsible and this is the outcome.
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Do not start threads like this on the Forums.
Are you telling me we cant use this forums for what they were designed?
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Threatening people does no good.
if you must know, we havent threatened anyone. We said "hey you just cost our pilot money whatcha gonna do" PA replied with "pay up and not do it again" they dont pay up they do it again.
As a matter of honour we were forced to attack.
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Don't tell people to convo you to solve stuff, it's your responsiblity.
Ummm sorry but no, its not our responsibility.. if we screwed up then it would be.
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If people offer compensation be nice and accept.
We did, we did not get paid.. we got attacked again.
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Inform yourself about the political situation before you enter a region of space.
We know the situation in the north. We know what were doing, even if you dont.
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Do not attack people if you want to solve the situation.
We wanted it resolved, PA are the ones who didnt want it resolved.
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Be aware that alliances react slow and accidents happen.
XF reacted very quickly to accidents, and the leadership back then were inept. What does that Say for PA?
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It certainly does not justify branding an entire alliance as "pirates", as meaningless as that term is now.
Were not branding them pirates, were branding them targets.. until they honour their agreement.
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In my personal opinion.. i couldnt give a damn about how G and IRON feel towards us as far as im concerned
Plus its not really about the ship loss, its the pod loss, the implants loss and the lies given to us by PA.
@Kaleeb: we dont pirate thats your job :P
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emptydude
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Posted - 2005.05.15 12:56:00 -
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stop crying, unplug the implants and kill anyone you see, since pretty much the whole of the north has you at KOS now
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Pure Saint
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Posted - 2005.05.15 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pure Saint on 15/05/2005 14:01:14
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Spazm
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Posted - 2005.05.15 14:02:00 -
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I normally don't get involved with the politics,
but I just got to say that when this incident happened, PA were made aware of the situation & our demands, we gave them a deadline.
We say what we mean and we mean what we say.
we gave you a weeks notice about our assault on your space.
As far as getting revenge for the killing of one of our pilots we are already well on our way.
We have never once fired on a neutral, nor have we ever had an incident where a PH pilot fired on a friend. We do not have any trigger happy pilots. The exception to the above is if we are attacked.
It will be unfortunate if other alliances get involved, I have made friends and met good people in Fade during the last couple of weeks.
Let our actions speak for us.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.15 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.15 14:53:00 -
[61]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
Lol I <3 you, fellow forum w***e
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Destable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Destable on 15/05/2005 16:34:09
Originally by: Coupo
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LOL Somehow I doubt you have the pilots or the skill to fight the PA. Plus the fact you've just ****ed off everypone in the North. I wish you a short an unpleasant stay.
This entire thread is a stleath attempt at trying to get POH into the limelight as some uber PvP corp. Anyone with about 3 braincells could figure that out by the
"evol-esque" tone in the POH pilot's posts. Unfortunately for them, the are incapable of doing anything else other than forum warfare.
we dont live there :/ so why would we be staying? as for the stealth claim.. we dont care if were known or not. Were not an uber pvp corp but then were not crap either.
And if anything sir, you trying to start a flame war or trolling session isnt really required here. If you have a problem with us bring it to us, dont hide away crying wolf on forums.
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My eyes hurt reading all this diplomatic crap. Attack who you want to attack, you don't need justification or reasoning but you must be responsible for your actions.
We are responsible for our actions, PA are not being responsible and this is the outcome.
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Do not start threads like this on the Forums.
Are you telling me we cant use this forums for what they were designed?
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Threatening people does no good.
if you must know, we havent threatened anyone. We said "hey you just cost our pilot money whatcha gonna do" PA replied with "pay up and not do it again" they dont pay up they do it again.
As a matter of honour we were forced to attack.
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Don't tell people to convo you to solve stuff, it's your responsiblity.
Ummm sorry but no, its not our responsibility.. if we screwed up then it would be.
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If people offer compensation be nice and accept.
We did, we did not get paid.. we got attacked again.
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Inform yourself about the political situation before you enter a region of space.
We know the situation in the north. We know what were doing, even if you dont.
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Do not attack people if you want to solve the situation.
We wanted it resolved, PA are the ones who didnt want it resolved.
Quote:
Be aware that alliances react slow and accidents happen.
XF reacted very quickly to accidents, and the leadership back then were inept. What does that Say for PA?
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It certainly does not justify branding an entire alliance as "pirates", as meaningless as that term is now.
Were not branding them pirates, were branding them targets.. until they honour their agreement.
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In my personal opinion.. i couldnt give a damn about how G and IRON feel towards us as far as im concerned
Plus its not really about the ship loss, its the pod loss, the implants loss and the lies given to us by PA.
@Kaleeb: we dont pirate thats your job :P
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 16:41:14
Edited by: Coupo on 15/05/2005 16:37:41
so? i slash dot.. what do i care?
why do you?
would you like me to entire quote and ramble on?
as far as i can see noone who has responded who wasnt in PH has just tried to troll.
more to the point why are you trying to enflame?
troll?
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:49:00 -
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Keep it friendly please.
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Destable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Destable on 15/05/2005 16:54:11
Because this whole situation is really, really hilarious to me at this point, and your post is the first time I've seen that level of quoting/replying since reading the idiotypes list.
And so I obviously just wanted to share teh funny with the world. A spread the joy kind of thing. Laughter is, after all, the best medicine.
That, or I just wanted to troll. I am quite the flamer and troll as anyone will tell you. 
edit: Ok Zhuge, I'll make sure not to hurt anymore feelings
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Posted - 2005.05.15 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
Lol I <3 you, fellow forum w***e
us *****s need to stick together u know
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:12:00 -
[67]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 09:22:37
A good decision by PoH.
PA have been getting a bit arrogent since FoE left
Dear God Max. Your starting to sound like a bitter old hag with your PA and FE baiting.
Fulfilling expectations
Lol I <3 you, fellow forum w***e
us *****s need to stick together u know
Lead on sister !!!!!
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:17:00 -
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Well PH are pirates, they act like pirates and they shoot first and ask questions later. You have taken the first shot at me, while outside d7.
So if PA wtfpwn the lot of ya, good on them. Hopefully foyle will be caught in the middle. (luv ya really foyle babie)
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:19:00 -
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LOL....
Your all pirates, only some are willing to admit it.. the ones that arent are in denial!
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:20:00 -
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*******************
Listening to the convo in PoH hq
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OMFG OMFG OMFG
Somebody shot somebody in 0.0 and now somebody wants to shoot somebody else in 0.0
But wait, I know how to solve this. Lets make a forums post. Everyone will be so shocked at these things happening that there will be peace and flower throwing festivals for at least a month.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:21:00 -
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I can hold my hand on my cold heart and say ** I am no pirate ** I will shoot at those who shoot at me. In defence of course.
* All aboard the crazy train to take us through this madness *
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:47:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Kaleeb
On a side note what are PA/G/IRON/GODS/FE etc etc standings towards Shadow Squadron?
Well I opened convo with your pilot last night to find out his intentions in tribute last night and he assured me that you guys dont kill neutrals. Then In less that 5minutes he ganked a miner. So your standings towards UnioN arent great. To quote B SPEARS: "I tried to set my standings to "**** off" but the slider does'nt go that far." |
KIATolon
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Posted - 2005.05.15 18:57:00 -
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Quote:
Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
I remember you guys taking out my hauler.
I dont recall attacking you first.
I suggest changing your names to Pirates of Honour.
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Odine
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:04:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Odine on 15/05/2005 19:06:59
boo...
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:07:00 -
[75]
Originally by: KIATolon
Quote:
Pirating? Please clarify. We only shoot those at -10 unless shot first.
I remember you guys taking out my hauler.
I dont recall attacking you first.
When did this happen? Which pilots were involved?
BOS is and has been for a long time KOS to PH. Have any attempts been made by BOS leadership to have those standings adjusted?
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:07:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Acwron
Edited by: Acwron on 15/05/2005 11:48:43
Just some advice for PH about diplomatic dealings and the north:
- Do not start threads like this on the Forums.
- Threatening people does no good.
- Don't tell people to convo you to solve stuff, it's your responsiblity.
- If people offer compensation be nice and accept.
- Inform yourself about the political situation before you enter a region of space.
- Do not attack people if you want to solve the situation.
- Be aware that alliances react slow and accidents happen.
So if you want to solve it you better stop posting stuff on the forums and try to resolve it ingame.
This was a key post POH, i see it saying diplomatic line are still open but keep them notes in mind.
Even if ya kill a few PA you woulnt resolve ya issue, you could if ya had it well documented ask G & iron maybe to mediate cos they got more power & dont like pirating.
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insuperable
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:12:00 -
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Sinbin as I have posted, we went through G diplomats to get into contact with PA.
The situation has changed and there will be a post shortly.
You probably lost your hauler during our time in XF, in which BoS was kos. At the time of posting this, we still regard you kos.
Interesting...
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.05.15 19:53:00 -
[78]
"Well I opened convo with your pilot last night to find out his intentions in tribute last night and he assured me that you guys dont kill neutrals."
Well you convo'd after we had killed. I think our pilot was trying to be funny, we are pirates/killers/griefers and always have been, so yes we will shoot neutrals.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: insuperable
Sinbin as I have posted, we went through G diplomats to get into contact with PA.
The situation has changed and there will be a post shortly.
Yea I read Zorlya's post man & hope its good news.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.15 20:42:00 -
[80]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 15/05/2005 20:43:36
Originally by: Bayroo
Well PH are pirates, they act like pirates and they shoot first and ask questions later. You have taken the first shot at me, while outside d7.
So if PA wtfpwn the lot of ya, good on them. Hopefully foyle will be caught in the middle. (luv ya really foyle babie)
yes because 1: You were in FoE, foe were and are a pirate alliance. 2: u then split off and allied with FE's new knife loving crew. Only when that wasnt successful u split off and made this 'union' thing. Making a press release saying u are not pirates. However, you are still allied with FE?
Its a shame action can say more than a thousand words, isnt it?
You cant just make a new name, say a few things and expect to be taken off the KOS list.
Obviously im speaking out of my own opinion as always. as im not a part of the VA or any entity apart from my own corp anymore.
<3 Bayroo.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.05.15 20:54:00 -
[81]
I am not worried about being on any ones KOS list. I am just saying, we have taken a different path to that of FE. we as a corp still support FE and always will.
And I can make the statement that I am not a pirate and have not killed a neutral in tribute, yes I have had plenty of targets to shoot at, but have left my finger off the trigger.
Yes we left FOE, , my corp left and I went with it.
THe reason so many people left the alliance was due to the war hungry leaders, they liked giving the orders to kill people, they themselfs were never seen fighting, or very few sigtings of them fighting, nor did they help get members into decent fighting ships, they just carried on creaming the isk from the stations and corps they run.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.15 21:22:00 -
[82]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
yes because 1: You were in FoE, foe were and are a pirate alliance. 2: u then split off and allied with FE's new knife loving crew. Only when that wasnt successful u split off and made this 'union' thing. Making a press release saying u are not pirates. However, you are still allied with FE?
Its a shame action can say more than a thousand words, isnt it?
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Posted - 2005.05.15 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Zorlya on 15/05/2005 22:02:42
Quote from our first statement: "If The Phoenix Alliance wishes to resolve this situation by paying reparations then please contact Insuperable."
Today at 17:54 ingame time, Phoenix Alliance officials contacted us and have promised to pay reparations and, by doing so, have resolved the situation.
All Pilots of Honour military forces will cease hostilities with the PA, with immediate effect. We will reset all standings to 0.0.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.15 21:54:00 -
[84]
There ya go ranting on for...I mean diplomatic solution do work given time.
let us forum dwellers know if ya get paid, plaese Z.
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DarkFenix
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Posted - 2005.05.16 09:40:00 -
[85]
Yeah well sometimes people need a bit of an incentive to get the diplomacy going. Suffice to say we gave them an incentive.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.05.16 11:47:00 -
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Good luck Pilots of Honour, have fun :)
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2005.05.16 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Cartiff on 16/05/2005 11:57:07
I'm so happy, i feel like touching...........maxsuicide.
I don't know where you've been man, but i wanna touch ya all the same.
Cartiff, CEO
Euphoria Released
NBSI 4TW
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.16 22:05:00 -
[88]
Originally by: SinBin
There ya go ranting on for...I mean diplomatic solution do work given time.
let us forum dwellers know if ya get paid, plaese Z.
As of this moment The Phoenix Alliance has made no attempt to fulfill the agreement of reparations - I.E. forward the ISK or items requested.
A single individual in PA, not involved with either incident nor the corporations involved, said that he would 'handle the problem' - I.e. PA expected this single individual from 20th Legion to pay up this entire debt incurred by PA corporations.
The initial incident, an attack upon a shuttle and subsequent podding of its pilot (Ultravires of PH) by a single HAOS pilot, SunTzuCsu, precipitated the first attempted round of negotiations. At that time reparations for the clone and lost implants was requested, and a status of neutrality was promised.
This never occured.
Several days later I, myself, was attacked by members of the Mosquito Navy. It was after this unprovoked aggression that PH embarked upon its campaign into PA space cited in the original post.
During once such foray we encountered a commander of 20th Legion, Lord Wimbishi, and through him opened diplomatic negotiations with several other PA commanders.
Reparations were indeed promised, as well the replacement of clone costs & lost implants.
As of this posting none have appeared. Lord Wimbishi was saddled with the onus of paying ALL reparations and replacing ALL lost items. HAOS and Mosquitos were never brought into accountability and PA has not made any attempts to make good on its promises of reparations (beyond what Lord Wimbishi was willing to affect).
PA has set PH to neutral status, though making such changes involved a great deal of infighting among its member corps - in particular HAOS.
By saddling Wimbishi with paying reparations for actions taken by other corporations within The Phoenix Alliance they have proven that they will not act with honour - toward enemies, or their own members.
Zorlya has agreed to maintain all PA corps as neutral status (As well G, IRON, and other PA allies) in the spirit of hourable negotiations.
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.05.16 23:01:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
Originally by: SinBin
There ya go ranting on for...I mean diplomatic solution do work given time.
let us forum dwellers know if ya get paid, plaese Z.
As of this moment The Phoenix Alliance has made no attempt to fulfill the agreement of reparations - I.E. forward the ISK or items requested.
A single individual in PA, not involved with either incident nor the corporations involved, said that he would 'handle the problem' - I.e. PA expected this single individual from 20th Legion to pay up this entire debt incurred by PA corporations.
The initial incident, an attack upon a shuttle and subsequent podding of its pilot (Ultravires of PH) by a single HAOS pilot, SunTzuCsu, precipitated the first attempted round of negotiations. At that time reparations for the clone and lost implants was requested, and a status of neutrality was promised.
This never occured.
Several days later I, myself, was attacked by members of the Mosquito Navy. It was after this unprovoked aggression that PH embarked upon its campaign into PA space cited in the original post.
During once such foray we encountered a commander of 20th Legion, Lord Wimbishi, and through him opened diplomatic negotiations with several other PA commanders.
Reparations were indeed promised, as well the replacement of clone costs & lost implants.
As of this posting none have appeared. Lord Wimbishi was saddled with the onus of paying ALL reparations and replacing ALL lost items. HAOS and Mosquitos were never brought into accountability and PA has not made any attempts to make good on its promises of reparations (beyond what Lord Wimbishi was willing to affect).
PA has set PH to neutral status, though making such changes involved a great deal of infighting among its member corps - in particular HAOS.
By saddling Wimbishi with paying reparations for actions taken by other corporations within The Phoenix Alliance they have proven that they will not act with honour - toward enemies, or their own members.
Zorlya has agreed to maintain all PA corps as neutral status (As well G, IRON, and other PA allies) in the spirit of hourable negotiations.
What a difference is it if it comes from Lord, myself or some other corp??
It seems like you are going well over the boundary into internal PA stuff and I very much recommend you to step back right now.
Lord WImbishi acted in good faith since he knows some people in your corp and he decided to take responsability of the negotiation at that time.
Any concerns you have talk to him directly.
You want you clone and implant officially paid by "PA", I will send you the isk myself tonight but at the same time I expect you to refund for the two ships lost in BKG and the return of all mods picked up.
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.05.17 00:17:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Eversor
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
By saddling Wimbishi with paying reparations for actions taken by other corporations within The Phoenix Alliance they have proven that they will not act with honour - toward enemies, or their own members.
Zorlya has agreed to maintain all PA corps as neutral status (As well G, IRON, and other PA allies) in the spirit of hourable negotiations.
What a difference is it if it comes from Lord, myself or some other corp??
It definately does.
It shows a sense of responsibility for actions within his alliance that were not perpetrated by his own corporation. His actions show some integrity.
Neither HAOS nor Mosquitos has said anything on the matter, neither admitting error or offering to fix the whole mess they caused in the first place.
We, Pilots of Honour, made every attempt to get the standings adjusted before we entered G space. G heard us, IRON heard us, but PA did not apparently have any wish to do so - thus their members still had PH as negative KOS status, which was due to past alliance membership (Xetic).
After the first event PH once more attempted to get these standings fixed. Again, PA refused to listen, forcing PH to enter negotiations through G diplomats. Promises were made, and promises were broken, resulting in the loss of my ship almost a WEEK later.
Quote:
It seems like you are going well over the boundary into internal PA stuff and I very much recommend you to step back right now.
I am not getting into any internal PA 'stuff', I am strongly questioning ability of its leadership to keep its members in rein.
Quote:
Lord WImbishi acted in good faith since he knows some people in your corp and he decided to take responsability of the negotiation at that time.
Any concerns you have talk to him directly.
I do speak with him, often. It was not his responsibility to take care of this situation, save the fact that he was a member of PA in a leadership position.
It was his responsibility to attempt some manner of negotiation, but it is not, was not, and should not be his responsibility to cover for the screw ups of others. Particularly not his own leadership.
Quote:
You want you clone and implant officially paid by "PA", I will send you the isk myself tonight but at the same time I expect you to refund for the two ships lost in BKG and the return of all mods picked up.
Those two battleships were not attacked during an expected period of neutrality. They were attacked after hostile actions were commenced against PH by members of PA, after promises of neutral standings were proclaimed but not followed through upon. As thus they were targets engaged during a conflict, not during a period of promised non-aggression.
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.05.17 00:54:00 -
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Edited by: Eversor on 17/05/2005 00:56:39
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
It definately does.
It shows a sense of responsibility for actions within his alliance that were not perpetrated by his own corporation. His actions show some integrity.
Neither HAOS nor Mosquitos has said anything on the matter, neither admitting error or offering to fix the whole mess they caused in the first place.
You know nothing about how this was going to be dealt with internally, just stop spamming the boards already. Lord had your precious implants available in nonni and he was going to work things out with you, Lord is member of 20th the executor corp of the PA, if he needs money all he needs is to ask Cochise. HAOS AND MOSQUITOS engaged you because of the well covered standings issues that go back to you being former xetic. So again, this was an erroneous standings issue nothing more.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
We, Pilots of Honour, made every attempt to get the standings adjusted before we entered G space. G heard us, IRON heard us, but PA did not apparently have any wish to do so - thus their members still had PH as negative KOS status, which was due to past alliance membership (Xetic).
After the first event PH once more attempted to get these standings fixed. Again, PA refused to listen, forcing PH to enter negotiations through G diplomats. Promises were made, and promises were broken, resulting in the loss of my ship almost a WEEK later.
I am not getting into any internal PA 'stuff', I am strongly questioning ability of its leadership to keep its members in rein.
This whole thing was an issue of CEO's not updating their standings on time. The HAOS and Mosquito pilots did their job they fired at a red target.
Originally by: Icarus Starkiller
It was not his responsibility to take care of this situation, save the fact that he was a member of PA in a leadership position.
It was his responsibility to attempt some manner of negotiation, but it is not, was not, and should not be his responsibility to cover for the screw ups of others. Particularly not his own leadership.
Again you do not know how this was going to be handled internally, you only assume. He was the point of contact and he worked out the deal, if he needs isk all he has to do is ask me or his CEO.
If I were you I would just stop spamming these forums about your great knowledge of PA internal workings and contact Lord Wimbishi, I read the conv from yesterday and he gave you specific instructions of where to pick up implants and how this was going to be settled.
If you want to continue with the spamming and besmirching of the PA's reputation we will gladly set you back to -10.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2005.05.17 01:31:00 -
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I second Eversors reply.
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Cochise
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Posted - 2005.05.17 02:37:00 -
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Lord Wimbishi was acting in good faith. He is an honorable man and was simply trying to help out. He didnt tell me what was up until about 4 hours ago because we both have real jobs and cant be in game 23 hours a day.
I will add to Eversors last staement by saying this. The whole thing was all on you guys to begin with because you assumed to much.
You assumed that the PA knew you were no longer in Xetic.
You assumed that just because G let you go mine in their space that all the rest in the north were aware of this.
You assumed that in a large alliance things happen over night.
And now you assume that we are going to sit around and listen to you bash us after we agreed to settle this.
Please know that if it was totally up to me you would still be KOS for your arogance and your attack on BKG. Keep it up and we will set you to KOS again and with pleasure.
Now go back to empire and **** someone else off as were done with you.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.17 11:47:00 -
[94]
aaaaaahhhh north... north was messy, is messy and getting even more messy.
Oh i almost forgot: what about xetic frig fleets going north like 1.5 month ago? Well i seriously doubt that it was mining expedition.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.17 13:28:00 -
[95]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/05/2005 13:29:47
Originally by: Cochise
Lord Wimbishi was acting in good faith. He is an honorable man and was simply trying to help out. He didnt tell me what was up until about 4 hours ago because we both have real jobs and cant be in game 23 hours a day.
I will add to Eversors last staement by saying this. The whole thing was all on you guys to begin with because you assumed to much.
You assumed that the PA knew you were no longer in Xetic.
You assumed that just because G let you go mine in their space that all the rest in the north were aware of this.
You assumed that in a large alliance things happen over night.
And now you assume that we are going to sit around and listen to you bash us after we agreed to settle this.
Please know that if it was totally up to me you would still be KOS for your arogance and your attack on BKG. Keep it up and we will set you to KOS again and with pleasure.
Now go back to empire and **** someone else off as were done with you.
well..there were enough Press releases to tell u that they were no longer Xetic.
Cart: ill take that as a compliment? feel free to wash my feet aswell..and build many great temples in my name.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.17 14:39:00 -
[96]
All sounds ok then ?, the 1 guy paying would have been wrong but PA guys say he was purely the rep for them as would be normal.
Implants ya cant ask for refunding cos we all say we had 4x+4 everytime we take frindly fire & never assume nautral or even + standing are total safe, this would be a bad prisident for future non pirate allainces.
Good luck POH & was a good clean post mostly & fun for us forum guys.
Very professional by G, IRON & in the end Impressive by PA, its easy to make ya guys shoot somethnig & much harder to stop um & again impressive by all that a small corp can be recognised by such large allainces & there is hope for the furture of eve not being CS in space.
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Posted - 2005.05.17 16:04:00 -
[97]
Originally by: SinBin
All sounds ok then ?, the 1 guy paying would have been wrong but PA guys say he was purely the rep for them as would be normal.
Implants ya cant ask for refunding cos we all say we had 4x+4 everytime we take frindly fire & never assume nautral or even + standing are total safe, this would be a bad prisident for future non pirate allainces.
Good luck POH & was a good clean post mostly & fun for us forum guys.
Very professional by G, IRON & in the end Impressive by PA, its easy to make ya guys shoot somethnig & much harder to stop um & again impressive by all that a small corp can be recognised by such large allainces & there is hope for the furture of eve not being CS in space.
wtf is it with people and cs ?
cs is a great game! whats the problem?
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.17 19:40:00 -
[98]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: SinBin
All sounds ok then ?, the 1 guy paying would have been wrong but PA guys say he was purely the rep for them as would be normal.
Implants ya cant ask for refunding cos we all say we had 4x+4 everytime we take frindly fire & never assume nautral or even + standing are total safe, this would be a bad prisident for future non pirate allainces.
Good luck POH & was a good clean post mostly & fun for us forum guys.
Very professional by G, IRON & in the end Impressive by PA, its easy to make ya guys shoot somethnig & much harder to stop um & again impressive by all that a small corp can be recognised by such large allainces & there is hope for the furture of eve not being CS in space.
wtf is it with people and cs ?
cs is a great game! whats the problem?
LOL I was thinkin the same thing. Its like people think only kids can play CS or sumin. And to think the guy who wants to turn eve into "CAREBEARS ONLINE" actually belobs to a corp called "HARDCORE". He sure is a hardcore hippy.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.17 19:44:00 -
[99]
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/05/2005 19:44:45
i once played with a person that was 55.
That throws all previous carebear theories out of the window.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.17 19:46:00 -
[100]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/05/2005 19:44:45
i once played with a person that was 55.
That throws all previous carebear theories out of the window.
Apparently some people have really small windows, so your through wont fit thourgh it and hence no going out of the window for that particular theory.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.17 19:51:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/05/2005 19:44:45
i once played with a person that was 55.
That throws all previous carebear theories out of the window.
Apparently some people have really small windows, so your through wont fit thourgh it and hence no going out of the window for that particular theory.
a minor flaw in my ultimatley flawless plans.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:32:00 -
[102]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
Edited by: MAXSuicide on 17/05/2005 19:44:45
i once played with a person that was 55.
That throws all previous carebear theories out of the window.
Apparently some people have really small windows, so your through wont fit thourgh it and hence no going out of the window for that particular theory.
a minor flaw in my ultimatley flawless plans.
This is why I will remain Ruler of the forum *****s !!!!
Listen and learn young Padwan.
Muahahahaha !!!!!!!!!!!!1
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.17 21:34:00 -
[103]
you 2 having a nice chat, I loved CS pre steam & now its plain arcady like unreal tornament.
Our servers was allways packed full cos im a real git making everyone play propper no hiding sniping terorist till time run out there, it was PBUK.
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MAXSuicide
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Posted - 2005.05.17 22:06:00 -
[104]
DoD 4tw tbh. i havent played cs for long time.
im even getting back into planetside (dont hit me plz  )
Darken, i was whoring before ur char was made
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.05.17 23:07:00 -
[105]
I was hoping you 2 replyed " I went there got bannd first day " id have been so proud.
If we keep going we can compete with the other daed post about syndicate.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.18 03:10:00 -
[106]
Originally by: MAXSuicide
DoD 4tw tbh. i havent played cs for long time.
im even getting back into planetside (dont hit me plz )
Darken, i was whoring before ur char was made
LIES !!!!!
There are no infidels on these forums !!!!!
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.05.18 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: MAXSuicide
DoD 4tw tbh. i havent played cs for long time.
im even getting back into planetside (dont hit me plz )
Darken, i was whoring before ur char was made
LIES !!!!!
There are no infidels on these forums !!!!!
Will you two just get a room already. |
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