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Vaelos Daoine
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.10 21:55:00 -
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I've got like 19million SP, mostly in everything minmatar that helps me shoot stuff and maybe t2 light drones.
When I was last playing, I was running level 4's pretty handily in a shield tanked maelstrom. I read that there have been a lot of changes, and that people who could solo them before are getting their Battleships popped. I only have about 350 million isk, so I'm afraid to risk getting destroyed, as I'd have a hard time recouping the $$.
Are they as bad as the forums suggest? Should I go back to doing level 3's till I get used to things again? Are people grouping up to do level 4's now, and could I reasonably expect to find other players to group up with at mission hubs? Is ratting in say 0.5 space or something semi-safe a better alternative now?
Thanks in advance =P
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
234
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:10:00 -
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Can't say about L4s because I kinda stopped running them a moment before Retribution hit the servers but I can assure you that rats in 0.5 aren't even close in terms of income to fund anything. If talking about belt ratting being profitable it would be only in null, BS counting for 0.5 - 1.1 mil, only problem being with getting in and out and not get ganked in a process :)
Maybe you could try exploration? People say even hisec sites are profitable, lowsec being more likely to find real golden nuggets. But it is not reliable and steady income, a lot depends on luck so you need a lot of patience to survive dry periods. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Sammybear
Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:19:00 -
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your best bet it to avoid the non-spawn based missions (i.e. missions where you have 20-30 ships already there).
The assault Vengeance World's Collide Mordus Headhunters
Are examples of what to avoid if you ship is not... up to par. The main reason being that the old mission triggers are not the same, and you basically get full room aggro as soon as you warp in. They are still doable, but much more difficult, and way more of a chance of getting you ship popped.
The spawn based missions (where there are triggers that spawn new mobs) have not changed much, if at all, in terms of difficulty. |

Rhaetic
Black Ice Consortium
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:23:00 -
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Don't go into a Level 4 in your Maelstrom; you will get blown up if you do. Trust me -- I shouldn't even have mine right now, and I wouldn't if not for a very lucky shot against a scrambling Frigate.
Find something else to do. If you are mostly combat trained I recommend finding an Incursion fleet to run with. |

Sammybear
Awakened Brotherhood The Brotherhood Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:29:00 -
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Rhaetic wrote:Don't go into a Level 4 in your Maelstrom; you will get blown up if you do. Trust me -- I shouldn't even have mine right now, and I wouldn't if not for a very lucky shot against a scrambling Frigate.
Find something else to do. If you are mostly combat trained I recommend finding an Incursion fleet to run with.
I would not auto judge, i was able to get my mael up to 1200 dps tank without a LOT of isk, and 1200 dps tank can handle most of the screwed up lvl 4 missions. |

Vaelos Daoine
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.10 23:22:00 -
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Glad I asked before undocking to give it a whirl.
What's an Incursion fleet?
I'm tempted to just blow up a few dozen rifters pvp'ing in FW, but I was really hoping to find a way to earn enough to buy PLEX. =/ |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
247
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Posted - 2012.12.10 23:53:00 -
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When in doubt, try a three. To be safe, try a few. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |

Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
378
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Posted - 2012.12.11 00:09:00 -
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Sammybear wrote:your best bet it to avoid the non-spawn based missions (i.e. missions where you have 20-30 ships already there).
The assault Vengeance World's Collide Mordus Headhunters
Are examples of what to avoid if you ship is not... up to par. The main reason being that the old mission triggers are not the same, and you basically get full room aggro as soon as you warp in. They are still doable, but much more difficult, and way more of a chance of getting you ship popped.
The spawn based missions (where there are triggers that spawn new mobs) have not changed much, if at all, in terms of difficulty.
This.
Also minmatar are still the easiest faction to run for so you could give it a shot as long as you dont do the missions mentioned above. Reason minmatar space is easy is because angel ewar is a joke and they are always in your kill range.
Amarr and Gallente got hit the hardest with this patch so i dont reccomend you running missions in their space.
Caldari is the same as usual, boring. "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |

Mr Pragmatic
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:20:00 -
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Just avoid missions that have a full room as it is. and watch your drones.
If your tank is truly beast mode you can try the full aggro rooms I don't suggest it tho.
I did Worlds Collide with a buddy, He was in a mach and I was in a apocalypse, We did pretty Well.
Full aggro rooms you want two battle ships. Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged.-á |

Rain6635
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.12 06:18:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:When in doubt, try a three. To be safe, try a few.
yeah, do this. or go straight into a level 4 with a buddy or two.
it's what I did. I discovered level 3's are still like stepping on snails.
so I took some level 4's and they were
duo of death (two ravens and 2 spider drones) easy smuggler interception (ranged groups 50-75km away)... medium pirate invasion (one of the more difficult tier of level 4's) was nervous to take
but through running the easier missions to test out the AI change, you get to know them again,
and level 4's feel the same as they did before retribution.
aggro triggers are left broken by retribution, but I never paid attention to aggro triggers. I usually kill based on size, range, and angular velocity... stay ahead of waves, sure, but I can't relate to people with trigger complaints.
I find the thought of a player tiptoeing around triggers comical. because:
real fleets would aggro immediately, no corp or alliance has public, static damage type doctrine (like this http://i.imgur.com/FpD58.jpg) real fleets would fit some battleships with scrams and webs. and neuts. and damps. and jams. and have logi at range and have decent fittings and drones
the only way to make level 4 mission battleships weaker is not give them guns
and sure, avoid the full room missions if you need to, but you could also try asking for a mission partner in local
when was the last time you saw someone ask for help with a level 4 in local, and why not?
"i can't solo this mission" then don't solo it?
EVE is the one MMO that has a consolidated server, why are people so stuck on soloing... it's so not eve |

Freundliches Feuer
Shutdown.
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:32:00 -
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I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
247
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:04:00 -
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Freundliches Feuer wrote:I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about.
Oh I would love to see a fit of that Mach. And your implants. And linky boost. No, I'm seriously asking because Mach is not known for its tank, 1200dps gank sure but tank? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
501
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:38:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Freundliches Feuer wrote:I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about. Oh I would love to see a fit of that Mach. And your implants. And linky boost. No, I'm seriously asking because Mach is not known for its tank, 1200dps gank sure but tank? or better yet tell us where you mission, we'll come look for ourselves.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Rain6635
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:38:00 -
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yes me too, what is your fit
i have three that I can't decide how to use |

Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
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Posted - 2012.12.12 11:27:00 -
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Rain6635 wrote:yes me too, what is your fit i have three that I can't decide how to use (no, really, and I almost fitted these trimark II's) http://i.imgur.com/yKbvD.pngI KNOW I KNOW... it's NOT an abaddon I thought better of nerfing machs into abaddons and went out and got some abaddons
What.... is this..... I don't even....
Do you have more isk than common sense ? "That's okay it annoys me when people pile on new definitions to the word sandbox every time CCP does something they don't like." - Alara IonStorm GD is where 60% of threads make you dumber and 10% which provide you with entertainment, the remaining 30% is a mix of both. |

Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2012.12.12 12:06:00 -
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it was a troll welp fit, to make poor pilots cry
(armor gang capital ship bumpers)
i downgraded to abaddons and just a "fit"
still have them, though, i could always fit the rigs and self destruct for the shiny, wtf lossmails |

Freundliches Feuer
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.12.13 10:38:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Freundliches Feuer wrote:I do every level 4 in my mach, permaruns with 1200dps omnitank and an AB. no issues what so ever dont know what the crying is all about. Oh I would love to see a fit of that Mach. And your implants. And linky boost. No, I'm seriously asking because Mach is not known for its tank, 1200dps gank sure but tank? or better yet tell us where you mission, we'll come look for ourselves.
Highs: 800mm T2s and Drone Link Augmenter II Meds: Gist C type invul x2, gist x - type large shield boost, shield boost amp t2, domination ab Lows: 3x domination gyro, 3x tracking enhancer T2, capacitor flux coil T2. Rigs: 3x CCC T1 Drones: your choice
DPS 1290 , Tank 1189
HG Crystals, 6% damage implants, maxed out Tengu OGB.
@Daniel, Oh no I am so scared. Should come down to Old Man Star and say hi for me |

Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.13 13:46:00 -
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Freundliches Feuer wrote:HG Crystals, 6% damage implants, maxed out Tengu OGB. I have nothing to ask, not even the full cost of the setup (inc OGB and implants). Sarcasm can be like drugs. |

Freundliches Feuer
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.12.13 23:17:00 -
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Mund Richard wrote:Freundliches Feuer wrote:HG Crystals, 6% damage implants, maxed out Tengu OGB. I have nothing to ask, not even the full cost of the setup (inc OGB and implants).
I can run that setup (and I did) fully T2 fit for a while and runs them just fine. Don't forget with 1k dps tank and moving over 500 m/s (which I dont even do anymore) you dont get almost any damage. And with all that faction, it permaruns, meaning if logofski by whatever reason, you are still safe and wont instadie from getting capped out and not being able to cap boost. |

Warthogger Mikakka
Geese Jugglers
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:31:00 -
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1200 dps tank is nothing my partner had 1600 stable tank in a napoc. i warped into second pocket in worlds collide an took normal aggro 4 bs 2 frigs the moment she warped in she got full pocket aggro an died with in 20 seconds. no way to escape. lucky i got away as the whole pocket reset when she poped. |

Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:39:00 -
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Warthogger Mikakka wrote:1200 dps tank is nothing my partner had 1600 stable tank in a napoc. i warped into second pocket in worlds collide an took normal aggro 4 bs 2 frigs the moment she warped in she got full pocket aggro an died with in 20 seconds. no way to escape. lucky i got away as the whole pocket reset when she poped.
 Which WC was this, against what rat type? Were her hardeners on? Wasn't she getting neuted? (Sorry for the question, but I did see a tournament match have 100B go up poof with the ganglink resists not turned on... )
I've just made a random fit in EFT, tanks only 448 against angels (weaker resists) with all T2 mods, but has a buffer of 144k. In 20 seconds that would be like... over 7000 dps? Sarcasm can be like drugs. |

Warthogger Mikakka
Geese Jugglers
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:47:00 -
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she had complex em an themal armor hardners an complex armor rep ah 150k effective hp vs shancha / 1600 tank all was active an she popped around 20 seconds. we both have around 600 dps and we could not kill the 2 frig that scramed her intime befor she popped. yeh she was to close to hit them but we had full agro so all drones were released to help. typical the drones dint steal scramble agro :(
theres also something wrong with warps. i aligned was going fullspeed ( so perfectly alligned right) i click warp and had no scram on me an took like a minute to activate warp. |

Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.18 15:10:00 -
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Warthogger Mikakka wrote:she had complex em an themal armor hardners an complex armor rep ah 150k effective hp vs shancha / 1600 tank all was active an she popped around 20 seconds. I haven't done that setup of WC yet, but that sounds messed up. Did you try looking at the logs?
Anyone else ever had the impression that sanshas do some 8k dps? Sarcasm can be like drugs. |

Warthogger Mikakka
Geese Jugglers
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:22:00 -
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i looged at the logs and it was 37 seconds start to pop not to worry anyway ships not the problem its just anoying that 2 people cant do WC lol |

Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:50:00 -
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Warthogger Mikakka wrote:i looged at the logs and it was 37 seconds start to pop not to worry anyway ships not the problem its just anoying that 2 people cant do WC lol Oh, no I'm not worried about your ship 
I'm worried about the implications there, and how it could happen to others. Might be a bug we don't know about yet, or some other.
I do assume it was in the Sasha side and not the Angel room. Sarcasm can be like drugs. |

Warthogger Mikakka
Geese Jugglers
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 17:37:00 -
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yeh angel side cleared no problem she warped back changed hardners for sancha side soon as she enterd game over.
for the time been id use extreme caution about this mission ive read across the forums that marauders and tengus have had the same thing happen.
this mission gave us no problems in previous months but lastnight it was different |

Risien Drogonne
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.18 17:54:00 -
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Warthogger Mikakka wrote:i looged at the logs and it was 37 seconds start to pop not to worry anyway ships not the problem its just anoying that 2 people cant do WC lol I got that mission 2 days ago and did it just fine in a rattlesnake. Got full aggro in the research center too. |

Fractal Muse
Dead's Prostitutes Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.18 18:26:00 -
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With the updated info of the ship lasting 37 seconds, it having a tank of 1600, and having EHP of ~150,000 - that means there was incoming DPS of ~5650.
That's an awful lot of incoming damage.
The room has, in total, 6 frigates, 5 destroyers, 5 cruisers, and 10 battleships plus a possibility of a faction spawn.
Total estimated DPS (from eveinfo.com stats):
132 dps per battleship - that's using the highest DPS variant of the battleships. The reality would be lower. 55 dps per cruiser 35 dps per destroyer 25 dps per frigate
10 battleships = 1320 dps 5 cruisers = 275 dps 5 destroyers = 175 dps 6 frigates = 150 dps
1920 incoming DPS potential.
So.. hmm... something is definitely weird.
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Da Grim Reaper
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.18 18:43:00 -
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My main solo lvl 4s in a Maelstrom
Tech 2 tank of about ~440dps can be adjusted to mission specific hardners for higher tank Tech 2 AB for range control Tech 1 1400 MM Scout Arty (I only have 360k skill points in guns right now) Tech 1 Drones (500k skill points)
I use Fusion and Phased Plasma for BC and BS shots I used Depleted Uranium and Titanium for Cruiser and Frigates (Better tracking with this ammo)
Don't launch drones until everything is on you and then go for frigates first just to make sure you cannot be tackled or webbed.
Pick off the frigates with arty if they are outside of drone range otherwise go for cruisers and BS so as to lower DPS actually hitting you as fast as possible. Generally speaking killing the BS first can be bad since they trigger additional spawns.
Set orbit to max range and keep at range to optimal for Fusion rounds. (example 85k orbit and 26k keep at range)
Now I am not saying this may be the fastest way or the best, but it works. My attack skills suck overall, though my defense is pretty good.
If I can solo with these skills, then you certianly can if you have 19m in combat skills. |

Freundliches Feuer
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:29:00 -
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Da Grim Reaper wrote:My main solo lvl 4s in a Maelstrom
Tech 2 tank of about ~440dps can be adjusted to mission specific hardners for higher tank Tech 2 AB for range control Tech 1 1400 MM Scout Arty (I only have 360k skill points in guns right now) Tech 1 Drones (500k skill points)
I use Fusion and Phased Plasma for BC and BS shots I used Depleted Uranium and Titanium for Cruiser and Frigates (Better tracking with this ammo)
Don't launch drones until everything is on you and then go for frigates first just to make sure you cannot be tackled or webbed.
Pick off the frigates with arty if they are outside of drone range otherwise go for cruisers and BS so as to lower DPS actually hitting you as fast as possible. Generally speaking killing the BS first can be bad since they trigger additional spawns.
Set orbit to max range and keep at range to optimal for Fusion rounds. (example 85k orbit and 26k keep at range)
Now I am not saying this may be the fastest way or the best, but it works. My attack skills suck overall, though my defense is pretty good.
If I can solo with these skills, then you certianly can if you have 19m in combat skills.
^ This. All of you with tank of 1600 and failing are just teribad at eve and should quit. Contract me some stuff while you are at it though... ;)
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