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Imports Plus
Brothel of Slating Intellectual Lusts
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Posted - 2012.12.11 17:32:00 -
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xxVastorxx wrote:Topic title.
in your opinion what do you think draws players that first start out away from subbing their accounts ?
Endgame, epics, phat lewtz, l33t raid guilds, pwning nubs and BOOM HEADSHOT!!!
Good riddance |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
574
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Posted - 2012.12.11 17:33:00 -
[92] - Quote
Hellios Hellrain wrote:Well frankly to be honest i think if most people cold just click on a ship they like hit train alot more people would stick around. My account is over 6 years old i played a week the fist time, then came back played another about 3 years ago and eh came back with a friend a few days ago.
The big thing that puts me of is buying some thing you spent ages training for only to find that wow hay i cant use the ammo for this weapon ! i have to spend a week skill training up for that to. /cancel account. The friend im playing with is a bit lost in regards to all these skills needed we just wanted to out do some stuff but in reality we cant because it would take weeks to be able to any of that and all for the pleasure of paying a monthly sub to do nothing till we can do something.
The beauty of EVE is finding ways around those kinds of road blocks (ie, i can't use what I want to, what can I do as a substitute). EVE is about problem solving, not just flying space ships and shooting.
If you don't like that kind of problem solving activity and "just want to have fun", EVE is the wrong game. you're playing Chess against a super computer when all your really want is a quick game of Checkers.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Father Void
Technomancers
TriMark Alliance
38
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:07:00 -
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As an industrialist its this Math (rough - leave your calculators alone):
If I mine for an hour I can make roughly 15-25m Isk. If I work for one hour at 7/11 I can make let's say 20 bucks. I then buy one Plex. In the same amount of time I just made 560m isk. So to make the same amount I would need to mine roughly 22 hours. OK so for my time investment mining doesn't seem like a good investment. Sure you're in game chatting to your corp and maybe remote shopping.
So I then ask myself what are my goals in the game. Setup a POS? Why to makes stuff or research? Again I can afford the plex so Isk doesn't seem like a good goal. So mining, manufacturing and research all become less valuable to me as a goal. I tend to have a standing statement for new players and myself
'If you had 5 billion isk all the time what would you do in EVE.' If you can answer that you'll find out what your EVE goals really are.
Now I understand that not everyone can afford 4 Plex a pay check and I applaud those that have built up a fortune through sweat and tears (even other peoples tears). I'm simply saying for me I don't see the value in logging in every nigt to mine for countless hours. I'd rather burn some real world time/money to save time in EVE.
So when I do leave it's because I've lost sight of my goal or the social aspect has gone sour. Goals that do keep me going are:
* Assisting my Corp in a goal (move to null sec, recruit, lets build a capital)
* Help new players with start up capital and training in EVE basics
* Setup in a WH for some scare ass complex running
* Faction warfare seems interesting
* Incursion seems daunting but its a goal
* Toying with the idea of start my own corp (again, and again)
* Getting better at PvP (good god I suck)
I'd love to hear some other goals!
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Conrad Makbure
Division One Security
32
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:16:00 -
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The game tends to get boring moreso after playing for a bit; there hasn't been any new content added for a long time and it's the same old stuff from way back when. We've seen features added, not content. Waiting on skills to queue up and finish can use an update. People take longer breaks more frequently and then come back for shorter amounts of time, if they do come back, great, if they don't they don't.
Let the MMO market decide EVE's success and fate. |
Fowler
Black Flag Operations
The Kadeshi
16
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:17:00 -
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Well i can relay what some of my friends thought.
The biggest reason for stopping to play the game is the denial of gameplay.
It's not hard to understand that some folks have a set mind on how they want to play a game.
Once that is set and you as a player deny that person his/her gameplay choice then there's no point in logging on again.
Although this was some time ago, they had a hard time grasping how little the consequences are for comitting a crime in hisec.
Basically, the only player loosing is allways the player getting ganked.
Be it camped in station, gate camps, suicidal attacks while doing missions etc.
All of theese leads to a form of denial of gameplay. I find this quite unique in EvE.
I think some of the terminology is confusing to some players.
Like the phrase hi security. It leads to believe you're in safe space. That's something different and doesn't exist in EvE.
Not everyone can accept that, especially if you haven't learned how to manage your own economy and you loose that Battleship you can't really afford to replace.
Those few that tried out to be pvp combat pilots got sick of never beeing able to get a fair fight.
It was eighter ganking or beeing ganked. Nothting else seemed to exist for them.
The idea of a sandbox sounded great but in reality you're have to be in a somewhat large corp to achieve anything. Now adays, that's barely possible in an alliance. You have to be in a power block of some sort.
Gamers will allways look for an edge to get the upperhand on your opponent.
EvE had an interesting development when it came to 0.0 warfare.
Super Capitals.
Realising their potential in great numbers someone also realized their need for support.
So the guys with the most supers make friends with the other fellow that also has alot of supers.
All of a sudden you seem unbreakable and can pretty much face stop what ever you like as the opponent can't even field supers. let alone the ammount needed as they never had any sov to begin with.
Anyways, he threw a fit after a tracking titan blew up his hurricane and simply quit.
He didn't particularly like the super as a end all be all ship.
Think out of all the friends I have that tried EvE, all of them left for other games.
I still very much enjoy it :) |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
676
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:35:00 -
[96] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:
The beauty of EVE is finding ways around those kinds of road blocks (ie, i can't use what I want to, what can I do as a substitute). EVE is about problem solving, not just flying space ships and shooting.
If you don't like that kind of problem solving activity and "just want to have fun", EVE is the wrong game. you're playing Chess against a super computer when all your really want is a quick game of Checkers.
I'm a self taught artist, bear with me I have a point.
I'm actually really good in fact, but sometimes I start to think or wish that I should have gone to art school.
Then I look at what I can do, think about how i went about learning how to do it, and realize that I woldn't have made it in artschool. It was the problem solving that made me fall in love with my art. It was the problem solving that lead to me developing to the point that people can look at my art and say I have a style that is my own. The fact that I can sit down with someone with an MFA and have a conversation about art history, and technique. All beause of the process of figure out how to do it through problem solving.
It doesn't suprise me that I love EVE. It is exactly what you said.
Some peope however don't enjoy that. In fact they think it's a bad thing, and not something that would be classified as "fun". They prefer to be handed solutions. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not EVE.
Yeah, if someone doesn't like problem solving -even as far as simply asking somene for the answer- they don't belong here. It's what makes EVE unique. |
Blind Phew
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:45:00 -
[97] - Quote
Ships have no urinals. I peed myself so many times, I finally quit. Came back 2 years later when I discoveerd how to work a catheter....  |
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.12.11 19:52:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:The hate people receive for playing differently to others. folowed by a quote of being a proud high sec player. Are all high sec players crazy?
Kind of proving my point by bringing it up, but that is there because I am a Proud High Sec player and do not care what others think of me. Just by having it there most of you will disregard anything I say and try to troll/flame me at any given chance, but I don't mind since I am proud of what I bring to the community and will continue to do my best in what I do whether or not I am hated for it.
I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
576
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Posted - 2012.12.11 20:02:00 -
[99] - Quote
Ritsum wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:The hate people receive for playing differently to others. folowed by a quote of being a proud high sec player. Are all high sec players crazy? Kind of proving my point by bringing it up, but that is there because I am a Proud High Sec player and do not care what others think of me. Just by having it there most of you will disregard anything I say and try to troll/flame me at any given chance, but I don't mind since I am proud of what I bring to the community and will continue to do my best in what I do whether or not I am hated for it.
And on que, Mr. High Sec misses the point lol.
No one cares how you play. Just like no one cares that most nights I end up shooting red Xs in anomalies/plex, LvL 5s and incursions rather than shooting Xs piloted by people. The whole "they hate use because we live in high sec and mine (or whatever you do) is just a dodge people use to salve their egos. I'm pretty sick of hearing it.
In other words, we don't hate you because of how you play a video game, we hate you because of how you think lol.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Ritsum
Perkone
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.12.11 20:13:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:The hate people receive for playing differently to others. folowed by a quote of being a proud high sec player. Are all high sec players crazy? Kind of proving my point by bringing it up, but that is there because I am a Proud High Sec player and do not care what others think of me. Just by having it there most of you will disregard anything I say and try to troll/flame me at any given chance, but I don't mind since I am proud of what I bring to the community and will continue to do my best in what I do whether or not I am hated for it. And on que, Mr. High Sec misses the point lol. No one cares how you play. Just like no one cares that most nights I end up shooting red Xs in anomalies/plex, LvL 5s and incursions rather than shooting Xs piloted by people. The whole "they hate use because we live in high sec and mine (or whatever you do) is just a dodge people use to salve their egos. I'm pretty sick of hearing it. In other words, we don't hate you because of how you play a video game, we hate you because of how you think lol.
Hating us for how we think? That is just the same as hating us for how we play since we do have to think a bit while playing. Also I know I should not be responding to you since I know you for being a troll but I took the bait anyway. This will be my last response to you in this thread.
o7
I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific
Initiative Mercenaries
580
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Posted - 2012.12.11 20:20:00 -
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Ritsum wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:The hate people receive for playing differently to others. folowed by a quote of being a proud high sec player. Are all high sec players crazy? Kind of proving my point by bringing it up, but that is there because I am a Proud High Sec player and do not care what others think of me. Just by having it there most of you will disregard anything I say and try to troll/flame me at any given chance, but I don't mind since I am proud of what I bring to the community and will continue to do my best in what I do whether or not I am hated for it. And on que, Mr. High Sec misses the point lol. No one cares how you play. Just like no one cares that most nights I end up shooting red Xs in anomalies/plex, LvL 5s and incursions rather than shooting Xs piloted by people. The whole "they hate use because we live in high sec and mine (or whatever you do) is just a dodge people use to salve their egos. I'm pretty sick of hearing it. In other words, we don't hate you because of how you play a video game, we hate you because of how you think lol. Hating us for how we think? That is just the same as hating us for how we play since we do have to think a bit while playing. Also I know I should not be responding to you since I know you for being a troll but I took the bait anyway. This will be my last response to you in this thread. o7
I declare General Discussion victory! (lol)
And no, it's not the same. Allow me to retort (sry, just watched pulp fiction).
Many people (my self inculded) mine, mission, incursion, haul, build etc etc in high sec. It's not the activity that draws the hate, it's the thinking of SOME people doing those activities that says "I should be able to do this as much as I want without interference". Those activities are interactions with the game and thus the rest of us, so if you can affect the rest of us, the rest of us can affect YOU with suicide ganking, bumping and other assorted douche-baggery.
Again, the majority of high sec living people understand this (and understand that they are in a harsh pvp game where viloence is everywhere), and thus we have no problems with them. The people we have a problem with are the kind who will come to the forums and hide behind the "you just don't like me because of how I play" lie.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game.
-á |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
195
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:28:00 -
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The gaming market has changed
a lot.
When I started playing computer games, they were hard and in some cases pre-programed to be impossible to complete (ie you HAD to cheat to win), 60 hours of gameplay was a 'lite' title.
Today games are done with in 4-12 hours,
MMO endgame content is just a few weeks of lazy grinding ... not even hardcore, pissing in a bottle, ginding.
eve has retained almost all of it's oldschool concepts, including it's total lack of mmo endgame. you cant 'win' at eve
only survive .... modern gamers dont a) understand that, b) like it. |
Zak'eni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:59:00 -
[103] - Quote
Even with the addition of the training time readout on the Prerequisites tab, a lot of players still believe that you have to play for months or years to get anywhere or do anything, because they aren't used to MMO's where you can be useful from the get-go, and many of them are also bad at following directions or have short attention spans and are used to scripted gaming experiences. Oh, also because they never actually see the prerequisites tab because they don't know about right-click, show info.
Make right-click, show info the first thing you have to do in the game. |
Jawas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:07:00 -
[104] - Quote
Math, math and more math. The main reason why Eve has always been called a spreadsheet game, (also why so many spreadsheets are made for it).
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
23
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:19:00 -
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Oh my, it's nice to have a thread where all the whiners and negative people and general 'I hate this game it's a pile of bollocks but I won't unsubscribe because otherwise I'd have to find something new to whinge about' people are brought together in one giant negativewhinymodeON - fest!
Now... the 100 million dollar question is... Can you guys restrict yourselves to this thread ONLY? I guess not, there's a serious lack of crying and whining in other threads... GOGOGO!
ps. ISD, can you consolidate all the other whine-threads into this one? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2292
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:24:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:
ps. ISD, can you consolidate all the other whine-threads into this one?
If they did, the forum server would crash.
Also, GD would have like 9 threads plus the 10000000000000000000000000000 pages consolidated whine thread.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Randolph Rothstein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.12.14 12:31:00 -
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to start a LOL game takes about two or three minutes
doing something in eve takes days,weeks,months, years...aint nobody got time for that  |
Alexi Talva
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:31:00 -
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When I first started playing EVE in 2004, it was here's a rookie ship, a civilian gatling gun, a civilian miner, and 5000 isk, and "have fun storming the castle". You mined forever to get your first frigate, skill books, not to forget those all important learning skills, then you mined for your cruiser, then you joined a corp.
Now a new toon comes away with ~2 million in ISK, 3 - 4 frigates, an industrial and several skillbooks which does a lot to ease the start, however there is much left to learn once you finish the training missions. Where do I go, what do I do, who do I trust. Let's try mining - geez this is boring.
Let's run missions - Nice, but I'm doing the mission again after running it 20 missions ago.
Let's try PvP - OMGWTFBBQ I just lost my ship
Let's find a corp - OMG I just got scammed out of xxxxx.
I'm not knocking any of those career paths, I've done them all and had all those fates, I 'quit' 5 years ago and now I'm back for more.
Unless you personally know someone in game, or know where to look for a corp or help, that transition from total nubbins to a vet is difficult. Making that transition is what separates the vets from the quitters. |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
86
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:39:00 -
[109] - Quote
CCP doesn't understand How to keep them ...
Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.12.14 23:06:00 -
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Eve lacks a true dynamic universe.
One where things are constantly in motion, planets, moons, asteroid belts all orbiting in their proper paths. A real auto-pilot to deal with the complexity of plotting orbits. (No more bookmarks except for safes)
Incursions should be more random in their attacks, if they aren't fought, they escalate the battle and start camping stations and gates, seriously. Perhaps even take over the constellation if not stopped.
SuperNovas that wipe out entire systems. The various factions then have to come in and rebuild any stations that were destroyed. If stations were destroyed, debris is blasted all over the system, probers then have a whole new profession, cleaning up after the explosion. In highsec, Concord would broadcast warnings of an impending Nova, giving pilots a chance to clear out their belongings, but as we know, their are likely hidden treasures in some stations that have been there for years. In Low-sec, their might be a local broadcast notification, but unless you're in the area, you might not know your POS is about to be vaporized, or the station where you park your caps.....
0.0...well, you better be watching the sun....because you never know when you might lose a significant part of your fleet. 
Change the map back to islands of highsec, with lowsec between all factions. Make these areas a part of FW, with the ability of FW to upgrade systems and create in effect, a highsec route thru lowsec. Controlled by FW, nuets are taxed, reds are attacked.
The ramifications for trade would be great, prices for certain racial items/ores would run much higher in other faction areas, causing more danger for traders, but much higher profits.
It's only a sandbox, if the sand isn't cemented in place.
"Working as intended" |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.12.14 23:08:00 -
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xxVastorxx wrote:Topic title.
in your opinion what do you think draws players that first start out away from subbing their accounts ?
Awesome gank and fluff fps buff expansions.
Next. |
Bohoba
Blue Ice Melts
6
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Posted - 2012.12.15 01:52:00 -
[112] - Quote
xxVastorxx wrote:Topic title.
in your opinion what do you think draws players that first start out away from subbing their accounts ?
to much reading needs more cinamatics and or voice tutorals.
to many bugs in the tutorals getting mods and no skills for it :) there a few of those.
no help from local... can baiting in noob systems and blowing them up 5 min after playing eve is never any good
having to mine and wait for respawn because system is cleared of all ore in the 1st hour after it spawns can't complete mission unless they know how to go to an o7 system and niga mine before the rats kill ya :)
just a few off the top of my head
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
507
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Posted - 2012.12.15 02:16:00 -
[113] - Quote
Joseph Dreadloch wrote:EVE Online is the whiskey to World of Warcraft's Budweiser.
un-ironically, I don't like Budweiser or World of Warcraft..
zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
PatchYourselfUp
Cataclysm Affliction
3
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Posted - 2012.12.15 02:40:00 -
[114] - Quote
It being hard to make reasonable money as a low-SP pilot makes it difficult for newbies to resubscribe.
I suggest CCP tweak the tutorial to imply that being in a corporation is extremely important. Making great ISK as a lowbie is a terrible idea and shouldn't happen, but they should be able to help and make decent ISK if they join a corporation.
It's the main reason why CCP hasn't captured a bigger slice of the "hardcore" audience yet. It's because people think this is a single-player MMO and should be nudged (roughly) into joining a good corporation. |
Anemonae Ambrosia
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Late Night Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.12.15 03:00:00 -
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In my opinion people are turned off to EvE primarily because they can't directly advance their character. There is not a typical skill or xp grind that players are used to or even anything you can do to make your character improve, you just have to allow time to pass. For many people this has two negative effects, one being a lack of positive reinforcement. There is no "ding" of a level up after killing a bad guy. The other affect is it leaves people not sure what to do, many gamers are used to the game providing them with tasks or activities. Logging on and knowing you need to do some activity to improve is comfortable, EvE just says "find something to do" and that's uncomfortable for many. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
357
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:01:00 -
[116] - Quote
For the same reason we don't leave.
I've tried several other games, they are good games, I just don't have it in me to spend 2 years establishing myself. Other games are a little more subtle about it but between leveling, gear grinding, getting all the raid loot, knowing your templates like the back of your hand they aren't so different from EVE. |
Digital Messiah
Industrial Solutions
The Knights Templar.
239
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Posted - 2012.12.15 10:29:00 -
[117] - Quote
Most of the hardcore veterans I know are the people who get drunk while listening to eve radio on the reg. I get the feeling alcoholics get this game more than other people.
"Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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theSONARnet
Awesomeness Factor 5
13
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Posted - 2012.12.15 12:14:00 -
[118] - Quote
The game basically consists of 2 parts. The playing part and the waiting part while the waiting part makes around 75% of the game. Skills, Mining, Missions, Crafting,PvP, no matter what you do you will spend most of the time waiting.
For example a 30 min lvl 4 mission consists of maybe 5-10 mins of actively playing (pressing buttons) and 20-25 mins of waiting for the outcome. Mining is even worse. Comes down to maybe 1 min of actively playing and 30 mins of waiting
I think that is what drives a lot of ppl away from the game.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
285
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Posted - 2012.12.15 13:25:00 -
[119] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ritsum wrote:The hate people receive for playing differently to others. folowed by a quote of being a proud high sec player. Are all high sec players crazy? Kind of proving my point by bringing it up, but that is there because I am a Proud High Sec player and do not care what others think of me. Just by having it there most of you will disregard anything I say and try to troll/flame me at any given chance, but I don't mind since I am proud of what I bring to the community and will continue to do my best in what I do whether or not I am hated for it. And on que, Mr. High Sec misses the point lol. No one cares how you play. Just like no one cares that most nights I end up shooting red Xs in anomalies/plex, LvL 5s and incursions rather than shooting Xs piloted by people. The whole "they hate use because we live in high sec and mine (or whatever you do) is just a dodge people use to salve their egos. I'm pretty sick of hearing it. In other words, we don't hate you because of how you play a video game, we hate you because of how you think lol.
who are you again? some deep 0.0 sec ratting bot?
you know: here from empire your 0.0 is far far away and almost invisible.
So again: who are you? (it's not that anybody care anyway but you wanted answer) |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
204
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Posted - 2012.12.15 16:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
GD
the skill system
the time investment required to do a lot of things
trying playing eve as a SP game
being told "your playing the game wrong n00b, play it my way"
The Interface & Control Mechanism
being told "Eve is a sandbox game, that you have to play like this, or your not doing right, your an idiot, your a ******, your an inbred pikey polak etc etc etc etc etc" |
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