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Lady Hestia
Snap Crackle Pop. Claimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 02:59:00 -
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Hi everyone,
I've been playing EVE on and off for a long time. Quite a few years. I started out mining, then continued to mine, had other accounts to do missions, etc, then I maxed out all of my mining, refining, etc.
Then, at some point I decided that two of my accounts would have battleships, and I'd run L4's with them. When I tried to do that, I found that neither ship could survive long enough in L4's to complete the mission before it expired. I spent some time training skills, a few months, and when I returned the results were not much different.
I even spent some time in Red vs Blue only to find the disorganized outfit to be a complete waste of time.
I stopped playing for a while, and now that I have come back, a friend who is not that bright is trying to get me to join a big corp he is in. We're going to null sec to do operations there, but so much has already ****ed me up already.
My friend insisted I sell my hulk because I wouldn't need it, as I was going to fight rats in null sec. I protested, but eventually caved and agreed. Then him and I tried to do L4's and I constantly had to leave just like I always did, and even after playing with my fits, it still seems impossible. Now, other people are telling me I should have not sold my hulk so I can mine stuff in null sec.
I feel like a jack ass because everything I like to do has been so difficult. Now with the new PVE AI, I have such a hard time getting anything done.
I am now aware that the Algos (new Gallentean destroyer) is better at PVP than PVE, but when I bought one and fitted it and went into a L2 mission (working on standings with a specific corp), I nearly died on the first salvo of weapons.
I was so angry at my massive failure, while I was previously so excited about buying the Algos, a ship I really like.
I don't know what to do, really. When I started playing years ago I was always worried that you needed years worth of skills to do anything in this game, and people always reassured me. And yet, I am not so sure.
At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult.
What advice can you guys lend to me? Naturally, I am happy to answer any questions you guys might have.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5764
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:01:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult.
Any fitting you find on Battleclinic is useless unless you understand why it accomplishes (or fails to accomplish) its supposed objective. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult. Any fitting you find on Battleclinic is useless unless you understand why it accomplishes (or fails to accomplish) its supposed objective.
Additionally, don't fly level 2 missions solo with a destroyer - dessies are damage dealers, not damage takers. You need to be tanked if you're going solo. Use a cruiser or a battlecruiser. Try the Vexor, good drone boat. The Talos will make life very easy for you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
5
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:04:00 -
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Well before the mission AI, 16 million SP with that being mining and industry, will make lvl 4s hard still. Gonna need lvl 5 drones for drone ship or lvl 5 gunnery skills before they start getting easy really. But doable with lvl 4 skills and T2 guns or faction guns.
With the mission AI will be harder. Suprised with both of you guys doing a lvl 4 it is still hard though. |

Thiassi Uth'Matar
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:05:00 -
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Do level 2 missions in a cruiser, it will be a lot easier.
You need a good tank, even in a battleship to do level 4 missions. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4171
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:06:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Andski wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:At 16Mil SP I don't feel like my difficulty is justified. I use PYFA, EVEMON, even Battleclinic to find fits, and yet somehow my game is so difficult. Any fitting you find on Battleclinic is useless unless you understand why it accomplishes (or fails to accomplish) its supposed objective. Additionally, don't fly level 2 missions solo with a destroyer - dessies are damage dealers, not damage takers. You need to be tanked if you're going solo. Use a cruiser or a battlecruiser. Try the Vexor, good drone boat. The Talos will make life very easy for you.
Drone boats are no good anymore  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Maggie Evenstar
Terra Prospecting and Acquisition
13
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:07:00 -
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You are most welcome to come mission with me anytime I'm running fleets. You may have the skills to do incursions too. I'd be happy to help you get into those. With incursions you can easily make the ISK to plex your account. Just convo me sometime in game.  |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:08:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Well before the mission AI, 16 million SP with that being mining and industry, will make lvl 4s hard still. Gonna need lvl 5 drones for drone ship or lvl 5 gunnery skills before they start getting easy really. But doable with lvl 4 skills and T2 guns or faction guns.
With the mission AI will be harder. Suprised with both of you guys doing a lvl 4 it is still hard though.
Me and a mate found out how to do lvl 4 missions in pairs. The AI prefers targets that are closer in size, so if you're in a BS launching drones, the frigates will prefer to go after drones. However, if you've got two people, one tanking in a BS and another in an active-tanked cheap frigate, like an Incursus or something, the AI frigates will go after the player in the frigate instead of the drones. His drones are able to chase down swarms of frigates while my frigate just pretty much acts as frigate-bait (and taking a few of them with me, of course) while his BS blasts any AI mediums or larges. We've done this repeatedly with the same results, and cleaned up level 4 missions without a problem. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1135
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:18:00 -
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My 'quite a few years' is just shy of 3, and I have 52,000,000 SP.
What's your 'quite a few years' and only 16,000,000 SP ? RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:30:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My 'quite a few years' is just shy of 3, and I have 52,000,000 SP.
What's your 'quite a few years' and only 16,000,000 SP ?
This is a valid point, actually. I've only been playing for about 6 to 8 months and I'm approaching 12 million. That's only 4 shy of 16 million, and 4 mil won't take another few years (I hope). You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:31:00 -
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2/10
There was some decent effort put into the OP but in the end the story fails.
Also, quit whining and just buy another Hulk. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1135
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:32:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:My 'quite a few years' is just shy of 3, and I have 52,000,000 SP.
What's your 'quite a few years' and only 16,000,000 SP ? This is a valid point, actually. I've only been playing for about 6 to 8 months and I'm approaching 12 million. That's only 4 shy of 16 million, and 4 mil won't take another few years (I hope).
Yup. Sounds fishy, and that could be wrong, but this is EVE. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Kaylyis
No One Loves You Inc. LockJaw Inc.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:40:00 -
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he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity. |

Lady Hestia
Snap Crackle Pop. Claimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:42:00 -
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@ Andski, I learned that from someone in the corp after the fact, and now I do understand it. I just didn't remember L2's involving so much damage.
@Remiel Pollard, I understand a good deal about fittings, but I suppose not a huge amount. Keep in mind, those fits usually come with guides as well. A friend also said that the AI simply attacks the person who is the easiest to hurt- who has the weakest tank. It seemed like it, as when ever we did L4's the AI would always target me exclusively (with me in a BS and him in a Tengu).
@Raskonalkov, Not all of those points are in mining. I have more than Level 5 Drones and Level 5 Gunnery.
@Thiassi Uth'Matar, I will post my Maelstrom's fit at the bottom of this post. I don't see why it's so hard for me to tank, really.
@Surfin's PlunderBunny, It's a pain to have my drones shot at so easily, but I find that it's not all -too- hard to keep them alive.
@Maggie Evenstar, I'd love to fleet with you! Contact in EVE is hard for me, but I know that's generally how it is done around here. I will send you a message.
@Krixtal Icefluxor, I take a lot of time off in frustration. A lot of time goes by where I am unsubbed and skills cannot be trained.
Latest Maelstrom fit: (disregard the AB and specific hardeners, those change.)
[Maelstrom, Maelstrom Current]
Gyrostabilizer II Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Shield Boost Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Field I Kinetic Deflection Field I Heavy Capacitor Booster II 100MN Afterburner II
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead I x5
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:43:00 -
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Kaylyis wrote:he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity.
Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Lady Hestia
Snap Crackle Pop. Claimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaylyis wrote:he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity. Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason.
I currently have 15,831,969 skill points. |

baltec1
Bat Country
3211
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:48:00 -
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Seems legit. |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
6
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:52:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaylyis wrote:he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity. Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason. I currently have 15,831,969 skill points.
I meant lvl 5 skills in the drone category and guns category. Like drone interfacing 5 and then the racial skills to 4 at least.
Then large hybrid turret to 5 as well as rapid firing 5.
But at least get those to lvl 4 and perhaps get faction guns if you can before really trying to hurt lvl 4s.
EDIT: Your also gonna need a T2 tank before you do lvl 4s as well. Means more lvl 5 skills. :(
Also, battleclinic might be bad, but that fit is kind of bad as well. |

Lady Hestia
Snap Crackle Pop. Claimed.
1
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Posted - 2012.12.11 03:54:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaylyis wrote:he left the game for a while, probably an on-again, off-again player. that would account for the disparity. Yes, it would. Plus, Lady Hestia is a 2007 avatar, so it makes sense. But it's not conclusive, 16mil SP may still be a made up, for whatever reason. I currently have 15,831,969 skill points. I meant lvl 5 skills in the drone category and guns category. Like drone interfacing 5 and then the racial skills to 4 at least. Then large hybrid turret to 5 as well as rapid firing 5. But at least get those to lvl 4 and perhaps get faction guns if you can before really trying to hurt lvl 4s.
Oh I see, hahah.
The way I say it is that my skills are not perfect, but they are not really sub par either.
Also, what's this about not being legit? Why would someone lie about sucking and being annoyed? Lol, I am quite confused. |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
10
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Posted - 2012.12.11 04:15:00 -
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They would lie because of politics. Which you were touching on in this thread.
Sadly they are sub par, but it is your time, so you can fly on ahead. |

Kaylyis
No One Loves You Inc. LockJaw Inc.
51
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Posted - 2012.12.11 04:15:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:raskonalkov wrote:
I meant lvl 5 skills in the drone category and guns category. Like drone interfacing 5 and then the racial skills to 4 at least.
Then large hybrid turret to 5 as well as rapid firing 5.
But at least get those to lvl 4 and perhaps get faction guns if you can before really trying to hurt lvl 4s.
Oh I see, hahah. The way I say it is that my skills are not perfect, but they are not really sub par either. Also, what's this about not being legit? Why would someone lie about sucking and being annoyed? Lol, I am quite confused.
its the forums, you are assumed to be stupid by all posters here until proven otherwise. after all, you posted here...  
In any case for solo level 4 one should be able to reasonably fit all modules on their ship Tech 2 before attempting. If you do not have tech 2 guns, it'll be a slow and painful grind. Also I heard somewhere that a good level for solo level 4 is a combination of 1000 DPS or damage absorbed per second combined. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1109
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Posted - 2012.12.11 04:20:00 -
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I think the problem you have right now is you are still under the "new bro" classification and trying to reach too far too fast, all the while not being hooked up with any of the outfits that specialize in 'new bro's'.
There are a ton of ways that you can improve the things you do, you just have to figure out where to look. My best suggestion would be TEST or one of its friends, they seem to be the best place for starting out and wanting to understand the huge game you're trying to play (I would say EVE Uni but all they're really good for is learning about blackbirds). |

Lady Hestia
Snap Crackle Pop. Claimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 04:46:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:I think the problem you have right now is you are still under the "new bro" classification and trying to reach too far too fast, all the while not being hooked up with any of the outfits that specialize in 'new bro's'.
There are a ton of ways that you can improve the things you do, you just have to figure out where to look. My best suggestion would be TEST or one of its friends, they seem to be the best place for starting out and wanting to understand the huge game you're trying to play (I would say EVE Uni but all they're really good for is learning about blackbirds).
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
Also, I laugh out loud at the idea that I am lying for sake of politics. Consult the amount of posts I have. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1135
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Posted - 2012.12.11 04:48:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
train.
skills. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Lady Hestia
Snap Crackle Pop. Claimed.
1
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:14:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
train. skills.
What does CCP expect players to do before their 3 year mark? =\ |

Amarra Mandalin
Protocol 52
414
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:33:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
train. skills. What does CCP expect players to do before their 3 year mark? =\ Lots of people have spoken to me tonight and given me awesome advice. I feel so much better now, especially knowing that I am not as far off as I thought.
I'm not sure if you're more concerned about isk, isk efficiency or enjoying the game, but for starters I did level 4s in a Drake until my skills improved...I also joined a corp with decent players (after a run of bad choices).
Get a better fit for your Maelstrom, drop down to LV 3s, find a buddy, look into exploration or mine with a less expensive barge until you can afford a replacement Hulk. If you keep taking a break from the game, obviously you'll get behind on skills, isk etc. Believe me, I know, I am the Queen of Eve Hiatus.
There is plenty to do but you have to want to take the initiative before most players will help. Focus your training for the next 2-3 months and you should see a sizable difference as well in PvE. |

Zoe Athame
Aliastra Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:40:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
train. skills. What does CCP expect players to do before their 3 year mark? =\ Lots of people have spoken to me tonight and given me awesome advice. I feel so much better now, especially knowing that I am not as far off as I thought.
First off, drop the 3 year veteran act when you've actually been subbed closer to 1 year.
Second, dont bite off more than you can chew. EVE isn't about flying the biggest ships and ignoring everything else. If you're lacking combat skills, dont jump into level 4s. Same goes for ISK. If you can't afford a hulk, buy a cheaper hull and use it to make the money you need for a hulk. |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:46:00 -
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Zoe Athame wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
train. skills. What does CCP expect players to do before their 3 year mark? =\ Lots of people have spoken to me tonight and given me awesome advice. I feel so much better now, especially knowing that I am not as far off as I thought. First off, drop the 3 year veteran act when you've actually been subbed closer to 1 year. Second, dont bite off more than you can chew. EVE isn't about flying the biggest ships and ignoring everything else. If you're lacking combat skills, dont jump into level 4s. Same goes for ISK. If you can't afford a hulk, buy a cheaper hull and use it to make the money you need for a hulk.
Actually, the character has been around since 2007. That makes it five years, so it may not be an act. Jumping to conclusions, especially in such an aggressive way, is completely unproductive and could be construed as trolling. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2102
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:48:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote: 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Titanium Sabot L
Longer range ammo does not benefit falloff range; it only benefits optimal range, multiplicatively. Since you don't have much of it to start with (that's how autocannons work), longer range basic ammo is pretty much useless, because all it does is reduce your damage.
In other words, if you have 1 km optimal but 10 km falloff, getting +50% optimal puts you at 1.5 km optimal and still 10 km falloff -- while also reducing your damage drastically.
Stick to EMP, Phased Plasma, or Fusion. Train T2 guns so you can use Barrage (which bonuses falloff) if you want longer range.
Lady Hestia wrote:Hammerhead I x5 Yeah... Those should be Hammerhead IIs. The gulf in performance between T1 and T2 drones is quite huge. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
1137
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Posted - 2012.12.11 05:50:00 -
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Lady Hestia wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lady Hestia wrote:
What I am wondering is if I have a BS and sub-par skills for L4's , then what should I be doing with what I have?
train. skills. What does CCP expect players to do before their 3 year mark? =\
We have already stated that by the end of 'quite a few years' you should have way more than 16 M SP.
Either you lie, troll, or you let your skillqueue lapse for months at a time.
CCP expects nothing. They don't even care if you ever log in tbh RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |
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