I see all these pilots less than a year old whining for remaps.

How you can manage to burn through three in that amount of time is beyond me. Getting another one just enables your poor ability to accomplish the most basic time management.

No need for one at Christmas. It's wasted on you people.

Mr Epeen

I see all these pilots less than a year old whining for remaps.

How you can manage to burn through three in that amount of time is beyond me. Getting another one just enables your poor ability to accomplish the most basic time management.

No need for one at Christmas. It's wasted on you people.

Mr Epeen

Neural remaps should be added to the NEX store for something like 1000 AUR (50m isk)

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, the most recent dev blog talked about Christmas and the celebrations that would be taking place.

Notably absent were neural remaps. We will not be receiving a bonus remap this year.

I've heard people saying this is a good thing (CCP shouldn't give out stuff that has a tangible in-game benefit) and that this is a welcome trend from CCP giving out items that are more than cosmetic.

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel? Should remaps be brought back? Should presents always be cosmetic? Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!

A while back I was grateful for my accumulated hand-out remaps. It let me spend 3 months with "Charisma on Full-Blast", then switch back to something more rational.

This will be one of the RARE instances where I will be helpful:

remap for: / Skill trees used for:

MEM / CHAR / CORP MANAGEMENT
INTEL / MEM / ELECTRONICS/ENGINEERING/INDUSTRY/MECHANICS/PLANET MANAGE/SCIENCE/SUB SYS
CHAR / WILL / LEADERSHIP/ TRADE
PERCEPT / WILL / GUNNERY/MISSLES/SPACE COMMAND
MEM / PERCEPT / DRONES
INT / PERCEPT / NAVIGATION
CHAR / INT / SOCIAL

Hint: newer characters need a good base in everything. !st remap for combat pilots / mission pilots should be to take away all charisma and place those attribute points evenly in the other 4 catergories. Then use 4 training implants (no charisma implant) to help boost those numbers a bit more. once you have a good base in everything (lvl 4), then remap to a 2pc combo as listed above and run through ALL THE LVL 5s in that catergory/group. once youve got that done, remap tot he next 2pc Combo and repeat the level 5 marathon.

Look at that...only 3 remaps used for the above training and that will take you more than 1 year and youll be able to fly/fit just about anything subcap and be ready for those big mother cap skills (this is where those nice bonus remaps you get are used).

Speaking purely as a player; it baffles me that people plan their strategies around un-announced freebies.
I wouldn't mind a free remap either, but I'd never plan my skilling around the assumption that I'll be getting a free one.

Neural remaps should be added to the NEX store for something like 1000 AUR (50m isk)

We don't actually know what's in the Christmas gifts though, and there's been a remap in there every year...

Multiply that figure by at least 100 and we will have a reasonable sum.

A reasonable sum for who? New players are the ones in need of remaps most. Personally I wouldn't object to 10,000 AUR (500m) though.

A reasonable sum for who? New players are the ones in need of remaps most. Personally I wouldn't object to 10,000 AUR (500m) though.

Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!

Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

New players, and I count anyone under 10m SP, don't have enough information to make informed choices on attribute selections and the likes. It's often the case that they barely know what they'll be doing next week, nevermind a year from now.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel?

Should remaps be brought back?

Should presents always be cosmetic?

Should remaps be added to the Aurum store?

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

New players don't know enough about the game to know how important remaps are to get right. Some of them burn all their remaps in the first few weeks and don't even realize why that's a bad thing.

There should be consequences for your actions, but it shouldn't be impossible to correct your mistake.

Speaking purely as a player; it baffles me that people plan their strategies around un-announced freebies.
I wouldn't mind a free remap either, but I'd never plan my skilling around the assumption that I'll be getting a free one.

My old manager use to tell me 'to assume, makes an ASS of U and ME

Hey guys, I don't know how to re-attribute for a 100% pony-bear or whatever lifestyle. For mining only is below even okay, okay?

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Please help recieve very much thank do not want mistake make. Also I make think for year ahead bad too much work.

wot?

Considering the fact that we "have to" train for Destroyers and Battlecruisers V to avoid having to train four times these racial skills later, the idea of another free remap would be more than acceptable :)

Did I mimic the, "Can't speak well and wants help." grammar well?

That kind of solid logic is not allowed here!

Considering the fact that we "have to" train for Destroyers and Battlecruisers V to avoid having to train four times these racial skills later, the idea of another free remap would be more than acceptable :)

While from a hardcore eve lifer the whole "Once you have chosen your path you must walk it forever otherwise get an alt because any other method is not efficient." is, IMHO, pretty narrow minded. New players gaming experience is in a lot of flux, one week you might be mining, the next in a WH corp, so it's quite right that 3 re-maps are offered because I doubt any new player really knows what they are doing, I know I didn't, and I don't see why anyone else should expect them too either..

Simple reason, which many seem to forget, is that not everyone can dual box, have multi clients, afford to Pay or invest the time to generate 600m ISK a week to pay for both alts. Or, as with me, I like my one toon, and I don't want to change him, I've invested time.. a lot of time, (and I realise we all invest time) into this toon and I really cannot fathom investing anymore time into a new charecter. I work 50 hours a week and I just can't do it..

Keep as is, but then must adhere to a regular release schedule. It is unfair to include a game mechanic that people come to expect and not stick to it unless they are replacing it with another system with no notification. My toon for example is mapped for industry, but in the last week I have taken up residence in a WH this has vastly changed my skill plan for the next year, Im having to consider different haulage methods using cloakey transports, different defensive worries, and generally all the good things that come with WH life that I'm learning to deal with. So the prospect of not having that re-map suddenly becomes a big worry, particularly as having the wrong one can add days, even weeks to a year skill plan..

Second get rid of attributes all together. Which I also am not adverse to, mainly because it will get rid of this argument that keeps cropping up all the time, but also will level the playing field for everyone. But will remove players ability to specialise their toons to train for certain things faster, but at least then if you want to swap and change you can and surely that's a good thing.
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3rd and final, Eve needs ISK sinks? Why not make a neural remap a purchasable voucher that's spawned by NPC stations with medical centres? It would defiantly fit in nicely in the eve universe as a service for your clone. But no, I'm not even considering doing it via AUR, it's a totally superficial game currency for dressing up your virtual barbie. Since ISK can buy PLEX and PLEX can buy AUR I just feel AUR is over complicating what should be a single currency market IMO. Either way, the importance of re-mapping is kept, because you have to spend ISK on it, and therefor you can give the people the choice of wasting ISK or not when you could continue on your path..

True Megathreads are asking the OP to remove such an overblown title from this thread.
Just saying.

So, the most recent dev blog talked about Christmas and the celebrations that would be taking place.

Notably absent were neural remaps. We will not be receiving a bonus remap this year.

I've heard people saying this is a good thing (CCP shouldn't give out stuff that has a tangible in-game benefit) and that this is a welcome trend from CCP giving out items that are more than cosmetic.

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel? Should remaps be brought back? Should presents always be cosmetic? Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!

But knowing that after I had used them up I would not have one for an entire 12 months certainly made me think harder about what I was doing...and really learn about the game details. And it's 12 months, not 'forever'. Not really quite sure of the point making attmpt here. When I had Charisma 'on full-blast' it did not stop me from training the odd 'wrong attribute' skill for a short while.

That would be 1.2 Billion a month, not 600 M every week. We have all had to manage this issue for the entire past decade. It seems to me that you want some sort of special treatment. Due to RL nonsense I have had to cut down my own toons temporarily for awhile. IT's no big deal, and we all find a path throught it. I do not want this game delivered on a silver platter, nor do most players. Are you really happy playing ? (doesn't sound like it).

Listen to what you said. DAYS. This game takes YEARS to learn and play. This current system is not stopping that.

And throw out one of the basic foundations of RPG games for the past 38 years.

You don't seem to understand that even if it cost 10 currently priced PLEX to do this there are players whodcould buy one every single week. It would most indeed be unbalanced.

Remap items should be a player-based industry that uses, as its material cost, biomatter and implant components harvested from player corpses.

To prevent mass alt-podding (at least, without cost), such harvested materials should be restricted to clones above a certain grade and those carrying implants. The more expensive the pod, the higher the quantity and quality of materials that can be harvested from the corpse.

Neural remaps should be added to the NEX store for something like 1000 AUR (50m isk)

50Mil a remap? lol Way to cheap. If they did do that, which I would hope they wouldn't, it should cost closer to 500Mil-1Bil per remap.

Still a drop in the bucket.

Maybe 20 Billion.

Even then there are a LOT who could afford one a week if they wanted.






edit: at your prices I could afford 4, up to 8, and I'm low income.

Yeah your right. Need a 2 remaps? Buy two plex for the price i listed. Should be more. Much Much more. I hope it never comes down to that at all. No ability to buy SP or Remaps. Or anything else that has a direct effect on PERMA game style.

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.!

Still a drop in the bucket.

Maybe 20 Billion.

Even then there are a LOT who could afford one a week if they wanted.






edit: at your prices I could afford 4, up to 8, and I'm low income.

While I'm a little skeptical that anyone could keep up 20 bil per week, I would be fine with it due simply to taking that much isk out of the game so often.

At least we dont have to train learning skills for the first month and a half still

4 pages is a megathread?

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel? Should remaps be brought back? Should presents always be cosmetic? Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!

So, the most recent dev blog talked about Christmas and the celebrations that would be taking place.

Notably absent were neural remaps. We will not be receiving a bonus remap this year.

I've heard people saying this is a good thing (CCP shouldn't give out stuff that has a tangible in-game benefit) and that this is a welcome trend from CCP giving out items that are more than cosmetic.

On the flip side, I've heard people a little bit sad/angry they won't get another remap and will be stuck in their current remap longer than planned.

So, I ask, how does this make you feel? Should remaps be brought back? Should presents always be cosmetic? Should remaps be added to the Aurum store? Discuss!

New players don't know enough about the game to know how important remaps are to get right. Some of them burn all their remaps in the first few weeks and don't even realize why that's a bad thing. There should be consequences for your actions, but it shouldn't be impossible to correct your mistake. Make people pay a lot to fix their remap, that's a serious consequence but makes the game more attractive to new players, and veterans can still have more than one remap per year if they're willing to pay for it.

Considering the fact that we "have to" train for Destroyers and Battlecruisers V to avoid having to train four times these racial skills later, the idea of another free remap would be more than acceptable :)

hehe... the same "logic" was used for removing learning skills. Because "we all HAVE to train it BEFORE... elsewere ...". I hope it won't work

PS: i still have to see why people HAD TO train those god forgotten learning skills to V before first undock.....

hehe... the same "logic" was used for removing learning skills. Because "we all HAVE to train it BEFORE... elsewere ...". I hope it won't work