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Homer San
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:04:00 -
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2 days old rookie here...
I don't see any blueprint making Miner II, does it mean the price of it will keep going up??
It is already at some horrible price X_X
By the way, is there any recommendation on good guides to a path of a miner? |

Marcus Stoaker
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:16:00 -
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Best guide for a miner, don't.
As for getting the mining laser II, you get the bp through invention or by owning a BPO already so the price remains steadyish. |

Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:20:00 -
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Homer San wrote:2 days old rookie here...
I don't see any blueprint making Miner II, does it mean the price of it will keep going up??
No, it's made via the invention process.
In short (very high level summary), Mining Laser I BPC + Laser Physics data cores + Mechanical Engineering data cores plus the correct data interface, stick that lot into an invention line and you may (when you have decent levels in those two skills as well as Gallente Encryption Methods) result in a Miner II BPC (may)
The Miner II isn't that expensive, 1.2 million or something like that.
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:21:00 -
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You can buy it from the market.
Or you can make it yourself using a T2 BPC
T2 BPCs are invented from T1 blueprints and as it's a BPC it can only be sold through contracts. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |

Homer San
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:24:00 -
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It looks like the invention thing is really not what i am looking for...
2 x 1.2 M = 2.4 M...
which is quite a lot in my book... at least at this point.
not even sure if the expansion is worth it?
and... what happens when a ganker appears... |

Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:33:00 -
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Homer San wrote:It looks like the invention thing is really not what i am looking for...
2 x 1.2 M = 2.4 M...
which is quite a lot in my book... at least at this point. If it's expensive to you at the moment, you can't afford to fly it. Stick with cheaper miners for the moment.
Do you have the skills to fit it even? It needs Mining IV, which, seeing as it is almost a 2 day long skill is not something I'd expect a 2 day old character to have
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:05:00 -
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Marcus Stoaker wrote:Best guide for a miner, don't.
Best advice you will ever hear on these forums "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Dave stark
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:15:00 -
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Homer San wrote:2 days old rookie here...
I don't see any blueprint making Miner II, does it mean the price of it will keep going up??
It is already at some horrible price X_X
By the way, is there any recommendation on good guides to a path of a miner?
due to the recent barge changes, there isn't as all the guides are out of date. even the old mining guide was out of date before the new changes.
for now, it's basically strap 2 basic mining lasers on to a venture and train for a retriever. if by the time you've got in to a retriever you still don't know what you're doing; consider using google more. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:20:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Marcus Stoaker wrote:Best guide for a miner, don't.
Best advice you will ever hear on these forums
Guess who supplies you with the stuff you buy from the market...
If you hate miners, stop buying from the market and make all your stuff yourself... Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:23:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Marcus Stoaker wrote:Best guide for a miner, don't.
Best advice you will ever hear on these forums Guess who supplies you with the stuff you buy from the market... If you hate miners, stop buying from the market and make all your stuff yourself...
I make most of my own crap from my alt that salvages and refines from missions still  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Randolph Rothstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:32:00 -
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dont listen to people who are telling you not to mine
you have to mine unless you
1.sell plex 2.have someone give you money 3.have corp to support you 4.used buddy invite program -probably the easiiest way to start without doing labor
so if you are solo newbie,no friends yet to support you
1.finish all tutorials 2.buy those miners,by the time you finish the tutorials you will have enough money to buy them 3.get venture,equip them and mine you will make the money you spent in around 3 hours of mining
sooner or later you will get skills and isk to stop mining and do whatever you want
as far as mining guide goes,google halada mining guide,its old (doesnt have venture in it) but other parts (frigate,retriever,covetor,hulk) are still valid
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2012.12.12 08:54:00 -
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Randolph Rothstein wrote:dont listen to people who are telling you not to mine (actually dont listen to anyone who is telling you not to do something you want)
This.
Try everything you can. If you enjoy it, continue with it. If you don't, then find something else you do enjoy and don't forget that people play this game in different ways. Some people will love things that you hate and vis versa.
Quote:as far as mining guide goes,google halada mining guide,its old (doesnt have venture in it) but other parts (frigate,retriever,covetor,hulk) are still valid
It also doesn't have the Inferno changes to the mining barges and exhumers as far as I know. So will give incorrect info on yield, skills required and cargo size. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1160
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:15:00 -
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Homer San wrote:It looks like the invention thing is really not what i am looking for...
2 x 1.2 M = 2.4 M...
which is quite a lot in my book... at least at this point.
not even sure if the expansion is worth it?
and... what happens when a ganker appears... Check your contracts for 5x Miner II, free of charge. Merry Christmas!
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Homer San
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:20:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Homer San wrote:It looks like the invention thing is really not what i am looking for...
2 x 1.2 M = 2.4 M...
which is quite a lot in my book... at least at this point.
not even sure if the expansion is worth it?
and... what happens when a ganker appears... Check your contracts for 5x Miner II, free of charge. Merry Christmas!
thank you!!
that was totally unexpected.
now... i will only have to get a shuttle through those jumps because stupid tutorial blow up my ship with explosives X_X
even worse than being ganked... |

Homer San
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:23:00 -
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This probably deserve another topic... but...
several of my tutorial mission items (civilians... and data chip) just got blow away together with my ship, is there anyway to reobtain them? |

Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2012.12.12 09:30:00 -
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Homer San wrote:now... i will only have to get a shuttle through those jumps because stupid tutorial blow up my ship with explosives X_X
Not being nasty here, but that mission told you what was going to happen. It's definitely worth reading mission texts carefully.
As for the items, you can re-buy them if you need them. Most you probably won't need. Dock at a station that you don't have a ship in and you'll get a free rookie ship. The tutorials also give you a large number of ships, once you finish all 5 you'll probably have 6 or 7 ships.
As for those Miner II, you will probably not be able to fit them at the moment. You need Mining trained to level 4 to fit Miner II. That's roughly a days training. |

J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
610
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:15:00 -
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Homer San wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Homer San wrote:It looks like the invention thing is really not what i am looking for...
2 x 1.2 M = 2.4 M...
which is quite a lot in my book... at least at this point.
not even sure if the expansion is worth it?
and... what happens when a ganker appears... Check your contracts for 5x Miner II, free of charge. Merry Christmas! thank you!! that was totally unexpected. now... i will only have to get a shuttle through those jumps because stupid tutorial blow up my ship with explosives X_X even worse than being ganked...
That mission specifically tells you that you WILL blow up. And I believe even grants you a ship to get blown up with.
About your next post of obtaining stuff again:
If you loose your ship in EVE, you love it + the fit that was on it (there is a chance though that some modules drop as loot). So in case of a mission. Bookmark the wreck (NPCs don't kill pods, so you will have time for it) and go fetch a new ship, warp to your wreck to see what dropped as loot.
There is another way to get infinite and free Civilian miner + Civilian gun. This is by docking in a station where you don't have any assembled ship. This means you will get a free rookie ship + civilian gun + civilian miner + 1 trit. The other modules (civilian codebreaker for instance) are useless outside the tutorials and if you need the modules for a tutorials any plain T1 modules works too. So you can buy a Codebreaker I from market and use that. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |

J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
610
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:16:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Homer San wrote:now... i will only have to get a shuttle through those jumps because stupid tutorial blow up my ship with explosives X_X Not being nasty here, but that mission told you what was going to happen. It's definitely worth reading mission texts carefully. As for the items, you can re-buy them if you need them. Most you probably won't need. Dock at a station that you don't have a ship in and you'll get a free rookie ship. The tutorials also give you a large number of ships, once you finish all 5 you'll probably have 6 or 7 ships. As for those Miner II, you will probably not be able to fit them at the moment. You need Mining trained to level 4 to fit Miner II. That's roughly a days training.
Not to mention that Miner II's also need a bit of fitting skills trained to even fit on a ship without running out of CPU / PG or destroying your capacitor in couple of seconds. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |

Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:08:00 -
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Homer San wrote:Several of my tutorial mission items (civilians... and data chip) just got blow away together with my ship, is there anyway to reobtain them?
You don't really need the civilian items, they're junk and you should try to use the better (military) versions on the market. For example, instead of Civilian Shield Booster, train the skills required for and use a Small Shield Booster I, or the better variants (Small Clarity Ward Booster I for example), which often aren't that much more expensive.
As far as the data chips and the like, if it's required for you to complete the mission, and you got it by killing an NPC, wait until the next server downtime and go back and kill it again. If the chip was given to you, there may be an option with the agent "I lost my chip, give me another one", so talk to the agent.
The civilian stuff is just there to give you an idea of how the items work. You should always use the better non-civilian items.
EDIT: Also, always leave your stuff in a station, never carry with you stuff you don't need for the specific task / mission. Ships get destroyed all the time. If you're TOLD you're going to be destroyed, strip all fittings from the ship and go with just a bare ship, insured to the maximum. |

Zanzbar
Legion of Tears
57
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:56:00 -
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Randolph Rothstein wrote: you have to mine unless you
1.sell plex 2.have someone give you money 3.have corp to support you 4.used buddy invite program -probably the easiiest way to start without doing labor
Most of his advise is good but i'd ignore that bit I quoted . Yes mining is good steady isk for a newbie but is far from your only option. Mission running, basic hauling/trading, salvaging, and dead space sites are all possible within a few days and most pay better then mining in the long run. I would mention pvp there as it can be done very early, but you will want friends to help support/inform you. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
223
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:23:00 -
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Homer San wrote:It looks like the invention thing is really not what i am looking for...
2 x 1.2 M = 2.4 M...
which is quite a lot in my book... at least at this point.
not even sure if the expansion is worth it?
Also remember that you need Mining to level 4 before you can even use a Miner II.
Luckily for you, there is a pair of those with your name on them already waiting for you at Sasta - check you contracts. You can add them to your growing pile 
If you need a Venture to put them on I might be able to cut you a deal on that as well. EvE Forum Bingo |

Homer San
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:22:00 -
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I would like to thank you everyone who offered material (in digital forms...) help and advises.
You guys have made this game so much different (in a very good way) than other MMOs out there. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2228
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Posted - 2012.12.13 04:13:00 -
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Make sure you check out the Making ISK guide, just so you are aware of some of the options out there. And see the Day 0 guide in my signature block. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
148
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Posted - 2012.12.13 04:29:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:The Miner II isn't that expensive, 1.2 million or something like that.
1.2 million?
I vaguely recall them being 70k ISK or so p/u, half a decade ago.
Of course, half a decade ago, T2 cargo expanders were 8 million each, now they're under 1 million. So I've been under the impression that T2 prices have dropped a lot, since I started playing back in 2007.
If T2 mining lasers really are that expensive, does that mean it's worthwhile trying to get into invention?
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
148
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Posted - 2012.12.13 04:32:00 -
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Homer San wrote:This probably deserve another topic... but...
several of my tutorial mission items (civilians... and data chip) just got blow away together with my ship, is there anyway to reobtain them?
You don't want to re-obtain the civlian modules, becaues civilian-grade stuff is crappy, but if the Data Chip is important, you can probably find one via Contracts. Just make sure it's the exact same item, i.e. the name must match 100%.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1173
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Posted - 2012.12.16 07:33:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Homer San wrote:This probably deserve another topic... but...
several of my tutorial mission items (civilians... and data chip) just got blow away together with my ship, is there anyway to reobtain them? You don't want to re-obtain the civlian modules, becaues civilian-grade stuff is crappy, but if the Data Chip is important, you can probably find one via Contracts. Just make sure it's the exact same item, i.e. the name must match 100%. To obtain another rookie ship: dock in a pod at any station that you don't have a ship in the hangar.
To obtain unlimited civilian turrets and civilian miners: repackage and assemble your rookie ship.
If you lose a tutorial mission item, file a petition. GMs will reset the mission. |

Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
25
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Posted - 2012.12.16 10:54:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:The Miner II isn't that expensive, 1.2 million or something like that. 1.2 million? I vaguely recall them being 70k ISK or so p/u, half a decade ago.
http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=482
Quote:If T2 mining lasers really are that expensive, does that mean it's worthwhile trying to get into invention?
Why don't you do some research and see?
I'll give you this one.
Miner II. Invention attempt cost (per BPC): ~500 000 (excluding BPC and installation fees if using a public lab and assuming no decryptor) Invention chance (assuming max skills and no meta item): ~50% Raw material cost (per item): ~ 340 000
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
20
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:10:00 -
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Homer San wrote:2 days old rookie here...
I don't see any blueprint making Miner II, does it mean the price of it will keep going up??
It is already at some horrible price X_X
By the way, is there any recommendation on good guides to a path of a miner?
Check your ingame mail.
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Rams Trough'put
Dormant Dragons
1
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:25:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Marcus Stoaker wrote:Best guide for a miner, don't. Best advice you will ever hear on these forums Mining isn't a bad job. I make a billion every 2 weeks in a retriever, more now that I'm in a mack and hulk. It may not be the biggest bucks in the game, but I'm happy with it, and I can do it while sitting at work so I'm pulling in isk ALL day  |

CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
88
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Posted - 2012.12.21 08:57:00 -
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I don't mine, but the people who are telling you not to try it are the pathetic try-hards who think they look 'cool' by being 'bad asses'. Very gradeschool. They don't impress anyone. I you want to use Eve for relaxation and another game for adrenaline then so be it.
Try a bit of everything at the start and see what you like. |
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