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Akiless
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:25:00 -
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It seems that eve developers or CMs have not as much contact with their player base than other games like WoW or EQ2 you hardly ever see them posting or comenting on player made posts, also i feel a total lack of real and solid information about the future.
Could we get a dev tracker or something like that? Maybe there is one and i havet found it?
I might not be the most veteran player but i have played ALOT of mmorpgs for almost 8 years now and I find a lack of coomunication betwen CCP and the players.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:28:00 -
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I am playing mmorpgs for 6 years (AC,Daoc,AO,Lineag2,Swg,WoW,MxO) and this is the game where i got to see the most dev's posts.
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:29:00 -
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Edited by: LNX Flocki on 17/05/2005 20:28:42
 Originally by: Khatred
I am playing mmorpgs for 6 years (AC,Daoc,AO,Lineag2,Swg,WoW,MxO) and this is the game where i got to see the most dev's posts.
Totally agree with that.
And here's your dev tracker
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Araviel on 17/05/2005 20:31:38
Originally by: Akiless
It seems that eve developers or CMs have not as much contact with their player base than other games like WoW or EQ2 you hardly ever see them posting or comenting on player made posts, also i feel a total lack of real and solid information about the future.
Could we get a dev tracker or something like that? Maybe there is one and i havet found it?
I might not be the most veteran player but i have played ALOT of mmorpgs for almost 8 years now and I find a lack of coomunication betwen CCP and the players.
under what rock have you been sleeping? 
i have never played a game before where you get this much communication whit the dev's as in eve.
you even get to get drunk toghter whit them once/year
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:30:00 -
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Excuse me? Look through the forums, any thread with a yellow bar next to it is something where a developer or CCP rep of some kind has responded to the thread. And I've played almost every MMO that's come out, I can tell you that CCP communicates more than all the others combined.
Exhibit A: They're all over the place in the forums here
Exhibit B: They do more dev chats than you can shake a stick at. Every chat I've seen has discussed issues players have raised.
Exhibit C: CCP reps can be found on IRC, especially in the chaos (testing) channel on coldfront
Etc.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:32:00 -
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There is also a "official" dev tracker type of thing planned, no ETA. But the EVE-I one definately shows that the original statement in this post couldn't be more wrong. You also have to remember that the devs read a majority of the post, but they don't reply to all of them. And the EVE-I dev tracker doesn't contain all devs that post either. 
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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:33:00 -
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I'm sorry if this seems like a flame but you must have a serious observation problem if you think the devs don't have regular contact with the players.
I've never played another game with as much traffic between the devs and playerbase as there is in Eve.
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Akiless
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:35:00 -
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Oh thanks i didnt know about the yellow bars and thanks for the dev tracker but I see more disussion about devs being drunk and drinking contests on fan faires than real solid and ETA'd information. I would like something that i can "touch" and know when it will happen, also as i said i am not the most veteran player but i see more development interaction in other games, I dont think a rep in some mirc channel would be as usefull as a rep in the official forums giving that information to everyone.
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Akiless
Oh thanks i didnt know about the yellow bars and thanks for the dev tracker but I see more disussion about devs being drunk and drinking contests on fan faires than real solid and ETA'd information. I would like something that i can "touch" and know when it will happen, also as i said i am not the most veteran player but i see more development interaction in other games, I dont think a rep in some mirc channel would be as usefull as a rep in the official forums giving that information to everyone.
Well apart from their forum activity there's also dev blogs. And like Blinky pointed out, IRC is a good source of information too. I think that's about all the info sources we need. Devs do have other responsibilities too you know - like making the game.
Oh and about the solid ETA info: 
Sorry, but games (or any software project for that matter) with solid ETAs just don't exist.
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Akiless
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: LNX Flocki
Originally by: Akiless
Oh thanks i didnt know about the yellow bars and thanks for the dev tracker but I see more disussion about devs being drunk and drinking contests on fan faires than real solid and ETA'd information. I would like something that i can "touch" and know when it will happen, also as i said i am not the most veteran player but i see more development interaction in other games, I dont think a rep in some mirc channel would be as usefull as a rep in the official forums giving that information to everyone.
Well apart from their forum activity there's also dev blogs. And like Blinky pointed out, IRC is a good source of information too. I think that's about all the info sources we need. Devs do have other responsibilities too you know - like making the game.
Oh and about the solid ETA info:
Sorry, but games (or any software project for that matter) with solid ETAs just don't exist.
Oh i have seen the blogs but they seem way to mysterious and sell them by chapters! Also doesnt game industry moves with solid publish dates asked by the publishers? Not saying these things are good but some kind of guide line would be cool
Have you Hugged (or tis Buged?) a Noob today?
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Araviel
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akiless
Oh thanks i didnt know about the yellow bars and thanks for the dev tracker but I see more disussion about devs being drunk and drinking contests on fan faires than real solid and ETA'd information. I would like something that i can "touch" and know when it will happen, also as i said i am not the most veteran player but i see more development interaction in other games, I dont think a rep in some mirc channel would be as usefull as a rep in the official forums giving that information to everyone.
you got regular live dev chats, frequently updated dev blogs http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp
Devs posting info and answering question daily (check the yellow bars around the forum)
and even got time to joke around whit the players,
what more can you ask for?
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: LNX Flocki on 17/05/2005 21:03:20
Originally by: Akiless
Oh i have seen the blogs but they seem way to mysterious and sell them by chapters! Also doesnt game industry moves with solid publish dates asked by the publishers? Not saying these things are good but some kind of guide line would be cool
Have you Hugged (or tis Buged?) a Noob today?
Well like I said, you won't get solid ETAs but here's some sort of time/guide line that should give you an idea what to expect in the coming months:
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And of course the last dev chat was very informative in that respect. It can be found here.
Imho that's more than we can ask for. More solid dates wouldn't do any good and aren't really necessary.
*edit* fixed links
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.17 20:56:00 -
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Personally, I'd prefer they took the time to do proper testing and analysis of added features rather than set a date and be forced to rush something out the door, introducing new bugs. Or, half-ass the job.
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Akiless
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Posted - 2005.05.17 21:01:00 -
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Well like I said, you won't get solid ETAs but here's some sort of time/guide line that should give you an idea what to expect in the coming months:
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And of course the last dev chat was very informative in that respect. It can be found here.
Imho that's more than we can ask for. More solid dates wouldn't do any good and aren't really necessary.
Link wont work for me =(
Also it would be cool if they talked more about common things like suicide kestrels and more day to day happenings in the game, what will they do to fix this and that.
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.05.17 21:02:00 -
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Link wont work for me =(
Also it would be cool if they talked more about common things like suicide kestrels and more day to day happenings in the game, what will they do to fix this and that.
oops
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2005.05.17 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Redundancy on 17/05/2005 23:17:15
I was ganked by a CRC and all I got was this lousy forum post.
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Capsicum
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Posted - 2005.05.17 23:14:00 -
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This is an interesting topic, especially to illustrate how lucky we actually are do have our Devs, but I've just had to clean this post up ... Lets keep this on-topic please and talking about EVE.
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2005.05.17 23:55:00 -
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Oh yes, our devs post quite often... as to their clarity, however, one questions...
And whatever they were on to come up with this missile change... I wannit! Must be some marvelous brain melting brew.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2005.05.18 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Akiless
It seems that eve developers or CMs have not as much contact with their player base than other games like WoW...
EVE should totally move the the WoW system of community managment. Instead of getting TomB posting stuff like this, we'd get something more like this
"missiles may or may not be imbalanced at this point in time. CCP are working hard to improve the situation and we can assure you that missiles will be perfect at some point in the future."
Wouldn't that be more reasuring?
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Cosmic Dragon
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Posted - 2005.05.18 01:42:00 -
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YAY just read that tech 2 bships are comming out this year [crosses fingers], i have chosen to specialise in battleships rather than interceptors of bombers
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.05.18 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akiless
It seems that eve developers or CMs have not as much contact with their player base than other games like WoW or EQ2 you hardly ever see them posting or comenting on player made posts, also i feel a total lack of real and solid information about the future.
Could we get a dev tracker or something like that? Maybe there is one and i havet found it?
I might not be the most veteran player but i have played ALOT of mmorpgs for almost 8 years now and I find a lack of coomunication betwen CCP and the players.
I don't think I've ever seen a Dev post on the WoW boards. Plenty of CM's, but those are relatively worthless there.
Eve has tons of direct communication.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.05.18 02:21:00 -
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lol.
There is this awesome thing called IRC. Its an acronym for Internet Relay Chat. People go there to "communicate" with other people.
Some of those people may or may not be developers of EVE Online, and they may or may not be in the #eve-online or #eve-chaos channels of irc.coldfront.net.
And then theres the massive dev forum/blog whoring. Newbs. ;|
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2005.05.18 02:48:00 -
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Let me be the first to request more female Dev "contact".
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.18 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sphalerite
Originally by: Akiless
It seems that eve developers or CMs have not as much contact with their player base than other games like WoW...
EVE should totally move the the WoW system of community managment. Instead of getting TomB posting stuff like this, we'd get something more like this
"missiles may or may not be imbalanced at this point in time. CCP are working hard to improve the situation and we can assure you that missiles will be perfect at some point in the future."
Wouldn't that be more reasuring?
You forgot the part about the WoW CMs flaming and insulting their players.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.05.18 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akiless
you hardly ever see them posting or comenting on player made posts
Oveur, I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.05.18 07:54:00 -
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Akiless, i think you're confusing something here:
The situation in WoW is that devs make stuff and the community manager posts the on the forum. The gm's announce realm outtages and the like... but no actual dev EVER posted on their forums or even wrote an article for the site.
Same with every single other mmorpg out there.
EVE is the only one where devs actually do stuff for the website and community of their game besides making the game itself.
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.05.18 08:50:00 -
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I think the big angle is devs do respond and make big statements on whats coming - then when it comes time to deliver 90% of the basic things are missing (exodus promised features firstly - corp tax, comet mining and now pigs in space - agents in space) lets get existing promises in as well. Not just new fancy hype.
Its a good game but more functionability at a basic level would be so much more useful and ease of use.
Universe wide market checking instead of just regional. Corp taxes. Open up jove space. NWO gate changes.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.05.18 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
And the EVE-I dev tracker doesn't contain all devs that post either.
who are we missing?
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RatBoy Deblade
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Posted - 2005.05.18 09:07:00 -
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i have not played any other onlinegames like eve but it isnŠt hard to make contact with a dev if you have something useful to say.
Devs + EvE = loooveee 
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.05.18 09:13:00 -
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Mmmm try the ideas forum. More progress and impact made there
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