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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.05.25 00:53:00 -
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all i want to say to the OP is that he should not be allowed to talk EVER again. The eve devs are by far. Your are rediculous. The devs talk to the players on wow? no they dont, they hire CMs who only post on their own stickies and RARELY ever respond to player made posts. I have seen posts on those forums get up to and over 100 pages and still have no dev responses, or even CM responses. The eve devs talk to the players so much on the forums here its rediculous. (in a good way of course) I can't believe someone would be stupid enough to suggest otherwise.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2005.05.25 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Gamer4liff on 25/05/2005 01:19:55 the devs post, they* do infact listen, its who they listen to thats the problem. this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball" |
SlaneeshZ
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Posted - 2005.05.25 01:48:00 -
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This topic is just a bait. Nevertheless I think EVE devs >> WoW devs. When EVE devs screw up you see them at least giving that screwed feature a love soon(tm). When WoW devs screw up you can download trailers featuring it as heaven-sent thing and you will read their opinion on some hidden "I be 1337" gamesites carefully admitting they may have done something wrong in another universe but declaring everything they did so far as sacred nevertheless. ---- A true player does feel no need to remind himself or fellow players that it is just a game. |
Syntomo
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Posted - 2005.05.25 01:56:00 -
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Oh they read these boards all the time. But deep down, they hate you, almost as much as the gods. They are all plotting against you. Right now their fingers are poised over the "screw Akiless over" button that is tied in with these forums, which is the reason we don't get new cooler forums.
I'm not paranoid, but it doesn't mean that everyone isn't after me. I may not be able to point to Iceistan on the map, but that doesn't stop me from realizing they are foreigners. They get all the major stuff spot on, but the details betray alien cultural prerogatives. I mean, penguins live there! They wouldn't live there if they weren't plotting something.
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Vlad Karamazov
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Posted - 2005.05.25 02:09:00 -
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Phaps the problem is that since the devs respond to some threats and topics that when they dont then people involved in that prticular problem feel pushed aside and ignored. One of the largest topics I remeber was - the megathron suck please unnerf it. It went up to some rdiculus high number of pages. The only dev posting there was to the effect of - wow this is a big topic. A month ot 2 later tho large hybrids got PG reduction. Even that "wow large topic" comment is more then other mmorpgs get. At least it means devs read it. Still the inolvment of Devs into the forums/comunity is high in eve and we all are greatful for that. Gal election topic in the news. Phaps somebody reacted to all the forum postings about it.
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Kuriatai
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Posted - 2005.05.25 02:29:00 -
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I like the OP, he's silly !
It has been my experience that EVE-Online and City of Heroes are the best games by far for developers communicating with players. A couple of months ago Statesman ( COH dev ) posted internal test results that were bogus. After a huge outcry on the forums Statesman investigated and found out that the damage modifiers were way off. He actually apologized for the mistake. You won't see Sony doing anything like that.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.25 08:55:00 -
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It is my understanding that the Eve devs read nearly ever thread of note on these forums within one day of it's inception.
So if you want them to read your thread, make it worth reading. Don't do stupid titles like : "DEV"S COME LOOKIE HERE !!!" cause then they'll deslike your post before they even open it. Don't go off ranting at them for screwing up, cause that doesn't help them make it right. Don't go off and base your ideas on extremnist viewpoints, cause those aren't balanced by definition.
And most of all think about the implications of what you propose a bit more. 90% of the idea posts here lack any and all allowance for side effects.
Threads that go over a few pages in rapid fashion are probably read and even kept up with by the devs. That they don't comment is another thing altogether. But like said earlier, you either see the point of that thread adressed of you don't. If they do not, it might be a thought asking them why not in a csm or devchat since there's is probably a good reason. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
Redundancy
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Posted - 2005.05.25 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine -snip-
...and don't write /signed, or /agreed. We prefer to read pertinent observations and opinions :)
Among other things, we don't always comment because we don't have time, because posting anything can knock a whole thread off what it was discussing and because people tend to read things into any post we make.
lub for that post though.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.25 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Matthew on 25/05/2005 10:26:54
Originally by: Redundancy Among other things, we don't always comment because we don't have time, because posting anything can knock a whole thread off what it was discussing and because people tend to read things into any post we make.
I've seen more than one thread completely derailed after a dev-post. A lot of people see a dev posting and spam the thread with their 101 top issues, cause they think the dev is sitting there looking at every post to the thread as it's made. Then some berate the dev for not posting a full plan, with deadline (preferably yesterday) of solving whatever is being called a problem. Yet more berate the dev for posting to that topic, but not one on their own (and obviously vastly more important) pet topic.
What would be nice is some way of knowing that the devs have looked at a post, and taken in what's been said, without disrupting the flow of the thread with a dev posting. Maybe some sort of "Devs Aware" flag for the thread, similar to the gold bar. Either that, or a sticky thread where the devs periodically (once a week maybe?) post a little on what issues they picked up on.
Two points I do have with dev communication. Firstly, it seems very good at the start, but tails off the older an issue gets. Quite often issues seem to be "left to die" after some initial attention. I'm sure some of these the dev's look into and decide nothing actually needs to be done. Which is fair enough. But it would be nice if that conclusion was announced, rather than leaving an increasingly frustrated group running round in circles arguing about it.
Secondly, dev forum contributions get lost too easily. The devs do actually post a wealth of information to the forums, but a lot of it gets lost in the mass of threads and posts. An official dev-post tracker would help, but maybe also a sticky along the lines of "Dev replies to common topics", kinda like the forum's Dev-FAQ. Right now a dev reply seems to stay in the collective memory of the forum only as long as the thread it's hidden in is in the top few pages. After that, the argument goes back to re-hashing things that were already addressed.
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.05.25 12:20:00 -
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And if I am not mistaken, the GM's and DEV are required to play the game along with us...so that Ibis mining in the belt next to you just might be a DEV...
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter,pirate[/i] or mixture of them all.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.05.25 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy Among other things, we don't always comment because we don't have time, because posting anything can knock a whole thread off what it was discussing and because people tend to read things into any post we make..
Well I don't need the full billion isk but if you feel you must that's okay. Oh and yes, half past eight is fine and you'll bring the food and booze.
-- (Battle hardened miner)
[Brackley, UK]
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Lysender
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Posted - 2005.05.25 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Akiless It seems that eve developers or CMs have not as much contact with their player base than other games like WoW or EQ2 you hardly ever see them posting or comenting on player made posts, also i feel a total lack of real and solid information about the future.
Could we get a dev tracker or something like that? Maybe there is one and i havet found it?
I might not be the most veteran player but i have played ALOT of mmorpgs for almost 8 years now and I find a lack of coomunication betwen CCP and the players.
Compared to 99.9% of the games on the market today eve-online has Devs that care whether their game does well or not. A player can see that with the content and the story line they have. The Devs seem to be more active within the game. I haven't seen that since my Ashron Call days.
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.05.25 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy Edited by: Redundancy on 17/05/2005 23:17:15 I was ganked by a CRC and all I got was this lousy forum post.
That post made me surprised. When did the devs get that "Edited by" notice? I've seen devs change their posts before, and I've seen CRC edit posts aswell, and so far none of them have had that "edited by" note
Back on topic : While I don't always agree with all changes, it seems like the devs do listen a lot to player suggestions, even if they rarely actually make posts telling us that they do read the suggestions.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2005.05.25 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Akiless you hardly ever see them posting or comenting on player made posts
Oveur, I'll have a pint of whatever this guy is drinking.
I'm trying to find out myself _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. |
Bonaventure Phaidon
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Posted - 2005.05.25 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
Among other things, we don't always comment because we don't have time, because posting anything can knock a whole thread off what it was discussing and because people tend to read things into any post we make.
...you could at least post a 'read and considered', let us know you're awake.
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2005.05.25 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon ...you could at least post a 'read and considered', let us know you're awake.
...and if we did that, then everyone would assume that the lack of a 'read and considered' every page of a thread would imply it wasn't - doing this with any regularity at all would ultimately be immensely destructive to real discussion.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.25 16:51:00 -
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It's all good, as long as there's numbnuts like myself that bump everyone's rants up again every few hours the devs can hardly miss 'em right ?
Just assume that it's gonna be read. Chances are it is. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |
Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.05.25 17:30:00 -
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Anyone ever considered that the devs are actually playing the game and post with their player characters?
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RatBoy Deblade
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Anyone ever considered that the devs are actually playing the game and post with their player characters?
mwahaha perhaps the devs are ranting on the game themselves?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha Anyone ever considered that the devs are actually playing the game and post with their player characters?
Someone get that cat back in the damned bag!!!
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:29:00 -
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Eve's dev's do show up often, not as often as some games i played but still 1 of the best.
The main issue with them is not how much they are about.
Have you ever watched PM question time in the UK where the PM gets bombarded with questions?
The dev's answer just like Tony blair. You so rarely get a reply that means anything and often most completly avoid the subject.
1 of the enduring thing's that gets asked is for concept art of ships people are waiting for release of. Yet we so rarely ever get any (even early versions that bare no resemblence get show). And as was said lasttime was asked. NO we don't want it to be a bloody suprise just show us.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear The dev's answer just like Tony blair. You so rarely get a reply that means anything and often most completly avoid the subject.
That's just being smart. Because what players will do is constantly refer back to so-and-so from the development team that said way back on that thread a year ago that this feature would be in the game by now, so where the hell is it? You said it would be here by now!
All it takes is for one person to agree with something publicly, then suddenly everyone assumes that's the #1 thing on their list of things to get done by next downtime.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:38:00 -
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Oh god this thread is surreal.
I swear the IQ level on this board is dropping by teh minute.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two Oh god this thread is surreal.
I swear the IQ level on this board is dropping by teh minute.
Just had to point that out. :)
___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie// |
RatBoy Deblade
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:49:00 -
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hahaha oh well, got to have som fun with this thread
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.05.25 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Darken Two Oh god this thread is surreal.
I swear the IQ level on this board is dropping by teh minute.
Just had to point that out. :)
Yes as we all know, a persons IQ is determined by his typing skills.
Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.05.25 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine It's all good, as long as there's numbnuts like myself that bump everyone's rants up again every few hours the devs can hardly miss 'em right ?
Just assume that it's gonna be read. Chances are it is.
I think we should have a limit of posts per day! How about 5 post per day! --------------------------
Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.25 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two Yes as we all know, a persons IQ is determined by his typing skills.
Just so we're clear on this, you made that statement, not I. At any rate, I'm of the opinion if you're going to try to cut up the whole board with a generalized statement like yours, you should probably proofread it first. :)
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.05.25 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Yes as we all know, a persons IQ is determined by his typing skills.
Prolly more his WDA and ENV skills I reckon
Back on topic. I'll keep it simple. EvE Devs > any other devs.
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kieron
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Posted - 2005.05.25 20:24:00 -
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As has been pointed out a number of times by vols, players, and yes, even some Devs, we do try to communicate via the forums, Dev Chats, Blogs, IRC, e-mail, the FanFest, etc. Are we the best in the industry for communication? Maybe not, but I think we are most certainly within the Top 5 and we are working on improving further.
We (the Devs) try to communicate with the players as much as possible, in ways that won't come back and bite us on the butt later on. This is why some answers are unclear or hazy. However, we do our best to make sure that we keep the player base involved and informed of what is occuring in EVE.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
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