1. Eve-survival

2. What ship are you using? What level mission we are talking about?

Fit a couple Rapid Light Missile Launchers?

Jeesus, dude, maybe you just shouldn't do L4s if you cannot finish so simple mission. It's not GM's or nobody else's fault you simply suck at flying and using your ship.

Its not about my ship its all about my drones !!!

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it must be your ship, as i did that mission tonight and did not even use a drone. There are different options :D

I know most mission runners love to fly only one ship, and pimp it with the most expensive officer mods, so this may sound ludacris... but have you considered using more then one ship, like trying a battlecruiser?

Picking the right tool for the job, is sometimes better then always using the hammer...

Its not about my ship its all about my drones !!!

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it must be your ship, as i did that mission tonight and did not even use a drone. There are different options :D

How are your drone support skills? And did you try minmatar drones? Wingmans are Angel ships and those are vulnerable to explosive damage iirc. Try to refit your ship for that mission with nothing but T2 warriors. Or T1 if you are uncertain and don't want to lose too much isk.
Did you try targetpainters? How is your guided missilie precision skill? What rigs did you fit? Do you have any implants that help your missiles explosion radius and explsoion velocity?

There are so many different things to consider. And if you seriously think that when flying a CNR it's all about the drones, yeah maybe you should indeed just forget about missions.

My cruise missiles are usles aganst friggies spider drones wing man angel viper and so one

I think the drone changes were (partly) meant to make people adapt and not just stick to the same modules at all times

You mean : Your drones are now usles ADAPT ?

Its not about my ship its all about my drones !!!

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My drones can not kil the ships the need to kil becouse my cruise launchers can hit them !!! Are you so ******* stoopit to understand that ?

I play this game over the 7 years and i know for sure that Caldari rase needs drones

Silence the informant lv4 has become a PITA for a boat that relies on drones to deal with NPC frigates. All frigs in that mission web and there are lots of them so once one of your drones get aggroed, it gets webbed to death and there is virtually no chance for it to make it to the drone bay. Actually I did manage to clear the 2nd room with a CNR a few days ago sacrificing one drone each time I deploy them. It cost me 8 Hob IIs to finish the room. No fun :(

I'm getting used to the new npc mechanic now and I think I can do better next time (with the help of web and TP, frigs go down to cruise missiles pretty nicely) but ... I'll probably just decline it. It's not worth the effort XD

Sentry drones + micro jump drive, Dual painter HAM Tengu, or HML Nighthawk + precision missiles.

Three solutions in less than one line.

Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?

Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?

Al 10 drones of mine are kilt bij de wing man and spider drones and my missiles cant hurt them i just can not do the mission anymore To manny wing mans and drones .

Is there any one that can give me some advice how to run the mission ?

you should just let the mission expire, go buy plex and move to 0.0 like the staff @ CCP want you to do.

this was the aim all the time from the drone AI update ... to stop people like yourself and me from doing what you like to do in EvE... amazing isnt it?


you have to become a E-Peen stroker and move to 0.0 to take part in blob wars and have fun trying to make any decent isk there where you will be blobbed / griefed as soon as you try and rat or make some iskies.

the games fooked for mission runners... this is how ccp want it.... did i mention you could buy PLEX?


talk with your wallet man, its the only way CCP will stop destroying legit mission runners like yourself.

p.s. for the people telling him to fit this and that... dont be so fecking daft man he will gimp his tank to a point it isnt even worthwhile attempting most level 4's, i fly CNR myself and missions are just Bullshoot now, and it doesnt even tank that well either.

I've done this mission probably 3-4 times since the patch, and 1 time after the agro fix.

A micro jump drive might be of benefit for you to use here. It's pretty effective for escape, as well as using it to maintain range on the NPCs you're fighting. Aside of that, I handled this the same way I've been handling all the missions since the patch.

1) Snipe frigates if I can, ignore them if they're on top of me
2) Take out cruisers, BCs, BSes
3) After the heavy hitters are down, release lights to finish the frigates

Usually, when I ignore the ones on top of me (yes a risk due to web/scram), they stay targeted to me for so long that the almost never switch. Because they're so close to you, you should not have a problem recalling them if they get targeted either.

That's just what works for me - might not work for you. Either way, you have options I feel can be explored.

Good luck.

Really? 07' char having a hard time with lvl4 missions? You should be ashamed of yourself.

missions are fooked now i dont even bother with them anymore...

and you should be ashamed of yourself for making a waffle post with nothing related to the OP at all... but thats just how you roll isnt it?

Gaming God eh ?

Ok, first off, PRE-patch, using medium slow drones for Frigate-killing was a very, very bad idea ...

Post-patch, the NPC frigates will aggro your drones, always, ever. That's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Solution, on a CNR ?

3 Rigor Rigs and Precision cruise missiles to smash the frigs ... one volley for the non-elite, up to three for the elites ... or ignore the frigs and concentrate on the heavy hitters ... after all, those 5-10 damage per frig should'nt kill your CNR ...

Now, what you CAN use your drones for, AFTER you've cleaned those pesky gnats that are Frigates, is to sic your Medium drones on the Cruisers while you deal with the Battlecruisers/Battleships with your Fury cruises ...

If your skills (ingame and IRL) aren't up to that, feel free to contract me your CNR and leave the game ...

I wil try to use the Precision cruise missiles instead of the extra DPS cruise . Drones just dont work anymore !

^^ this too

Kill frigs (with your guns/missiles) that pose a threat as long as they are far away. Don't go rushing slowpoke hammerheads out into a certain death when you know they need a long way to travle back once you decided they are being agro'ed too hard.

Also need to confirm this more as I only noticed it once, but:"
I threw out drones to frigs (serp or gallente not sure) only to think about the aggro they need to withstand. I pulled them in right away, threw them out again as I was scrambled and noticed they didn't get any aggro. Frig killed, happy missioning afterwards.

Anyone else noticed this sequence or was it just coincidence? Drones out-aggro-drones in-drones out - no more aggro?

Gaming God eh ?

Ok, first off, PRE-patch, using medium slow drones for Frigate-killing was a very, very bad idea ...

Post-patch, the NPC frigates will aggro your drones, always, ever. That's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Solution, on a CNR ?

3 Rigor Rigs and Precision cruise missiles to smash the frigs ... one volley for the non-elite, up to three for the elites ... or ignore the frigs and concentrate on the heavy hitters ... after all, those 5-10 damage per frig should'nt kill your CNR ...

Now, what you CAN use your drones for, AFTER you've cleaned those pesky gnats that are Frigates, is to sic your Medium drones on the Cruisers while you deal with the Battlecruisers/Battleships with your Fury cruises ...

If your skills (ingame and IRL) aren't up to that, feel free to contract me your CNR and leave the game ...

sure .. im gonna gimp my almost fail tank on my CNR even further by taking out my shield recharge and cap rigs to put on rigor rigs, then im gonna gimp myROF even further by taking out my caldari cruise launchers and switch to crap t2 launchers.

i have a better solution .. they should up the rewards for level 4 missions since there is more risk i know you peeps love the risk v reward slogan so much only when it suits you.

no the frigs arent the ones that wouild pop my ~CNR it is the rest of the blobs in the mission area that do that the frigs just scram and web you so you cant warp out and take more damage.

CNR has got a almost fail tank as it is, im not gonna gimp it any further then i definately wouldnt be able to do missions without having to warp out every 5 mins ....

and dont say get people to join me on level 4's cos the payouts are garbage as it is on most of them as it is already then it definately wouldnt be worth doing.


send me 5 bil ill send you my stuff before my subs run out.

Light drones are FAR more effective at killing NPC frigs than mediums when they close and orbiting. I will always have a set of warriors and hobs. Warriors even work better on those crazy spider drones than the hobs. Drones have tracking speed issues, just like big guns on small targets. And it doesn't hurt to fit a web, it will make the light drones work even better.

sure .. im gonna gimp my almost fail tank on my CNR even further by taking out my shield recharge and cap rigs to put on rigor rigs, then im gonna gimp myROF even further by taking out my caldari cruise launchers and switch to crap t2 launchers.

i have a better solution .. they should up the rewards for level 4 missions since there is more risk i know you peeps love the risk v reward slogan so much only when it suits you.

no the frigs arent the ones that wouild pop my ~CNR it is the rest of the blobs in the mission area that do that the frigs just scram and web you so you cant warp out and take more damage.

CNR has got a almost fail tank as it is, im not gonna gimp it any further then i definately wouldnt be able to do missions without having to warp out every 5 mins ....

and dont say get people to join me on level 4's cos the payouts are garbage as it is on most of them as it is already then it definately wouldnt be worth doing.


send me 5 bil ill send you my stuff before my subs run out.

Shield recharge rigs eh? You aren't in your draek anymore pup

Lose the silly cap rigs while you're at it and start using a cap booster

You aren't going to be getting better rewards from missions either, that is reserved for people that can actually adjust to the changes and get more LP for the same mission pre Retribution because of people like you that can't stop sucking and just continue to whine.

FYI I'm getting about 500 more LP from Assault post Retribution, first time I've that big of a bump up from a single mission. So I guess I'll close in saying thanks!

CNR is active tank .....

use a cap booster which is a mid slot, therefore gimping tank even more...

have you even used a CNR for level 4's lately? .. cos it barely tanks as it is.

CNR is active tank .....

use a cap booster which is a mid slot, therefore gimping tank even more...

have you even used a CNR for level 4's lately? .. cos it barely tanks as it is.

CNR is active tank .....

use a cap booster which is a mid slot, therefore gimping tank even more...

have you even used a CNR for level 4's lately? .. cos it barely tanks as it is.

keep using CNRs for missions. and spend billions keeping it alive.

I've been thinking I should start looting CNR wrecks that die in lvl 4's.

there's something CCP tries to do, which is ship balancing. it would be unfair
if the CNR was tanky AND could chuck cruises from so far away.

if you're looking for the tanky CNR, just get a Golem.



//I'm fitting a probe launcher and I'm going to loot mission wrecks.

first battleship I warp to, what do I find?
CNR killing frigs with cruises.
I'm going to follow them. DON'T DIE

Or you could try the Navy Scorpion ... +5% resistances per Cal BS level, 8 mid slots ...

I just transfered my CNR tank on mine, added an Invuln field and an AB ... works like a charm.

you should just let the mission expire, go buy plex and move to 0.0 like the staff @ CCP want you to do.

this was the aim all the time from the drone AI update ... to stop people like yourself and me from doing what you like to do in EvE... amazing isnt it?


you have to become a E-Peen stroker and move to 0.0 to take part in blob wars and have fun trying to make any decent isk there where you will be blobbed / griefed as soon as you try and rat or make some iskies.

the games fooked for mission runners... this is how ccp want it.... did i mention you could buy PLEX?


talk with your wallet man, its the only way CCP will stop destroying legit mission runners like yourself.

p.s. for the people telling him to fit this and that... dont be so fecking daft man he will gimp his tank to a point it isnt even worthwhile attempting most level 4's, i fly CNR myself and missions are just Bullshoot now, and it doesnt even tank that well either.

This.
Remember when CCP wanted microtransactions? And players said f*******?
Too bad you guys thought they will give up, they're back, trying to reduce your income, so that you buy the almighty plex's to be able to buy an advanced ship or something. That would'nt be a problem on a free to play game but for this one I pay a subscription.....
Why CCP doesn't make ecm effective against npc's, why not allow me to jam them back,all in the name of competitivity bragged with retribution.

Bottom line is, if you dont have enough time to grind like crazy for isk and you passion is missions or anomalikes you are screwed for the moment only if you dont want to reach deep into your pockets to buy some plex.

This.
Remember when CCP wanted microtransactions? And players said f*******?
Too bad you guys thought they will give up, they're back, trying to reduce your income, so that you buy the almighty plex's to be able to buy an advanced ship or something. That would'nt be a problem on a free to play game but for this one I pay a subscription.....
Why CCP doesn't make ecm effective against npc's, why not allow me to jam them back,all in the name of competitivity bragged with retribution.

Bottom line is, if you dont have enough time to grind like crazy for isk and you passion is missions or anomalikes you are screwed for the moment only if you dont want to reach deep into your pockets to buy some plex.

sure .. im gonna gimp my almost fail tank on my CNR even further by taking out my shield recharge and cap rigs to put on rigor rigs, then im gonna gimp myROF even further by taking out my caldari cruise launchers and switch to crap t2 launchers.

i have a better solution .. they should up the rewards for level 4 missions since there is more risk i know you peeps love the risk v reward slogan so much only when it suits you.

no the frigs arent the ones that wouild pop my ~CNR it is the rest of the blobs in the mission area that do that the frigs just scram and web you so you cant warp out and take more damage.

CNR has got a almost fail tank as it is, im not gonna gimp it any further then i definately wouldnt be able to do missions without having to warp out every 5 mins ....

and dont say get people to join me on level 4's cos the payouts are garbage as it is on most of them as it is already then it definately wouldnt be worth doing.


send me 5 bil ill send you my stuff before my subs run out.

The big issue I have is not with my ability to complete the missions. I have over 40 mil SP and good equipment. But if these missions are challenging for me, how is anyone in the 8-10 mil SP range flying with T1 meta gear supposed to survive?

I have said it before, I will say it again. lvl 4 missions are supposed to be the entry level content for battleships. battleships do not run level 3 missions, they can not track the smaller faster ships to do well in level 3 missions. entry level battleships are supposed to run level 4 missions.

Level 4 missions are not elite content for veterans, that is what level 5 missions and incursions are for. Just because many veteran players choose to solo easier content than to play the challenging content meant for more experienced players. This does not justify making the easier content more challenging. Doing so locks out the new players that content was designed for.

If level 4 missions are so difficult you need to fly a shiny expensive skill intensive ship to complete them, then what content are the entry level battleship pilots supposed to play? As I already said level 3 missions are not battleship content. A low skilled battleship can easily tank a level 3 missions. but without having really good gunnery or missile support skills they can not hit anything in a level 3.

This is not about making the game easy for veteran players, it is about breaking the game for newer players.

In another post I used a comparison to WOW to illustrate what CCP has done. I use WOW because that is where many of our new players are coming from. Say a max level character with full raid gear in WOW decided to farm content designed for level 60 characters, rather than play the end game content that was meant for their level. Now the developers changed that level 60 content to be challenging the the max level character with their urber equipment. In doing so they have now made that content unplayable for the level 60 characters and left a big hole in the new player progression. Would that be a wise move for the developers? No, It would be a very stupid game breaking move. Yet that is what CCP has done here.

Expanding the elite A.I. used for incursions and sleepers to all the NPC's in the game is a welcome change for many veteran players. It makes the game as a hole more challenging. But in doing so they have made far to much of the game inaccessible to newer players. History has shown that when an MMO becomes inaccessible to new players it begins the death march for that game. It declines and population drops until it is a pale shadow of what it was. Even WOW is but a pale shadow of what it was at its peak. EVE has far to much potential to make such a stupid mistake.

Here's the answer, BATTLECRUISER, fit it with as many heavy missiles launchers as you can....

What you are saying there makes sense for lot's of players, however, because of the sheer numbers of players that will smack you no matter the content of your post, only a few take the time to write here.
I know that the new players(months old chars), are thrilled about the changes and they cant wait for another year untill they skill up so these changes are easier to bypass.......

Sorry but "entry level" and "battleships" are not compatible ...
To properly run a battleship, even with T1/meta modules, you NEED a lot of support skills in Electronics, Engineering, Gunnery, Missiles, Drones and maybe a bit of EWAR ... that was already the case when I started playing in 2004, nothing new here.
Those skills take a lot of time to rise. Working As Intended.
A new player should focus on Frigates, Destroyers and Cruisers for level 1 and 2 missions, until he is able to do them with his eyes closed because the skills of his character are up to it, and then, and ONLY then, should he try his hand at Battlecruisers and level 3 missions ...
And after that, some six months down the road, the very first Battleship will be there, with good support skills, and yes, some level 4 missions will be damn hard, but they are doable ...
Rushing to Battleships with a month-old toon is a VERY VERY VERY bad idea. Always has been, come to think of it.
eVe is a long-term game, you can't powerlevel your way to the "end stuff" like you can do in WoW or other MMOs.

c'mon don't make it difficult. it's simple:

charge monthly fee
make ISK hard to come by
charge for extra ISK.

the ones who are hit hardest/bit hardest by the PLEX bug are newbs who want to be in faction battleships from month 1, not having the skills to keep the ship together and -die-

ethically speaking, I think CCP should offer newbs PLEX counseling.

I did that.... a couple times :P First was a navy megathron with faction/ded modules, next 1-2 losses were me being stupid and alt tabbing or afk'n at the wrong time. I prolly lost 6-8 plex being silly.