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Losisa Adriana
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Posted - 2005.05.19 18:33:00 -
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Been looking at these 2 AF's. Not really sure what one to go for as they both look pretty good for PvP. I like the extra damage bonus, speed and armor resistances of the enyo but wasn't sure if the range bonus of the Harpy was worth it as I'll be using a short range setup anyway.
I may be fighting solo so will want to at least warp scramble and maybe web too so this pushed me towards the harpy with it's 4 mid slots. However I need to use 2 for a shield booster and maybe hardener so it kind of negates the mid slot bonus over the Enyo anyway.
Going on holiday for a week so and I either train Gallente frig 5 or Caldari 5 (I have 4 in both just now)so I need to decide soon and don't have time to go and test all this out in game 1st.
Also the CPU on the Harpy is much better and I liked that a lot though not calculated all the possible equipment to see the real difference this makes.
Or does it really matterat the end of the day as they are both good in certain situations. I've always liked the look of the Merlin but never got a good use for it (always ended up in a Kestrel instead) so might be swayed by that :)
Don't need war and peace as I've read all the ship setups for both but not read a direct comparison from people who have used them in anger and know the score.
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marioman
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Posted - 2005.05.19 18:41:00 -
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Well if u want a scambler and stuff u might be better off with the enyo since u would be hurting ur tank on the harpy...
otherwise both ships make pretty good blaster setups, they do the same damage and stuff, the only difference is harpy gets 50% of its range back using AM ammo plus say another 40% for lvl 4 to extend the range on blasters
i dont use my harpy for PvP but i have my harpy setup to shield tank with t2 light neutrons for complexes and it eats just about anything.
You really cant go wrong with either ship
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Chrysantheum
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Posted - 2005.05.19 18:48:00 -
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If you want to spend plenty of isk and get a gisti sb for it the hawk is awesome. Ishkur is always nice and enyo too. I'd suggest training both races frigs to l5 and using both.
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ElCapitan
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Posted - 2005.05.19 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chrysantheum If you want to spend plenty of isk and get a gisti sb for it the hawk is awesome. Ishkur is always nice and enyo too. I'd suggest training both races frigs to l5 and using both.
why waste money on gistii? Hawk fits medium shield booster II easy
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perl
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Posted - 2005.05.19 18:55:00 -
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I've used em both but i think the harpy is abit more versitlie and better for working in groups. I find myself in the enyo if i fly alone alot. Hope it helps.
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Splarge Monkey
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Posted - 2005.05.19 19:13:00 -
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Excellent.
You confirmed what I thought that both of them are pretty close and both good.
So I'll go for..........Harpy.
I probably will get both eventually but I just want to be close to getting one when I come back from being away so needed to decide quickly.
Cheers.
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Tony Blaire
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Posted - 2005.05.19 19:23:00 -
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enyos goodm but the harpy is alot better
see my post "harpate". Its all about how 2 fit up a solo hunting harpy. I have turnd myself into a hawk instead because i dont need to fit a hard then :) but anyway, read threw it :)
Harpate - by Miss Mwah
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Alyth
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Posted - 2005.05.19 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: ElCapitan
Originally by: Chrysantheum If you want to spend plenty of isk and get a gisti sb for it the hawk is awesome. Ishkur is always nice and enyo too. I'd suggest training both races frigs to l5 and using both.
why waste money on gistii? Hawk fits medium shield booster II easy
Because the Gistii small only uses 13 cap and has lower reqs?
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Tony Blaire
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Posted - 2005.05.19 19:40:00 -
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some people dont like being told wat u have on their ships ;) Gistii 4tw!
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Baron Xad
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Posted - 2005.05.19 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: ElCapitan
Originally by: Chrysantheum If you want to spend plenty of isk and get a gisti sb for it the hawk is awesome. Ishkur is always nice and enyo too. I'd suggest training both races frigs to l5 and using both.
why waste money on gistii? Hawk fits medium shield booster II easy
I must say that after having flown a Harpy with a Small Sheild Booster II and then (luckily enough) stumbling upon a Gistii Small Booster...I don't know how I flew the thing without that Gistii Booster in before. Cap Efficiency 4tw
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.05.19 20:20:00 -
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enyo
or even ishkur
dont think ive ever lost a 1v1 in either, fighting other ass frigs
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Splarge Monkey
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Posted - 2005.05.19 20:35:00 -
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Oops - posted earlier with an old experimental alt I meant to delete.
Doh!
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Lord Morkoth
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Posted - 2005.05.19 20:41:00 -
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Harpy 4tw:
4 150mm t2 1 rocket laucnher w/defs
1 gisti ab 1 gisti sb 1 tracking comp 1 20km -1
2 pdu or 1 pdu and 1 mag stab
really good setup, tracking comp helps the guns hit frigs and do tremendous dmg
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Squize
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:14:00 -
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Harpy kicks a** !
For NPC: High: 4x125mm t2
Med: Gisti ab Gisti shieldbooster Anointed em hardener Eutetic cap recharger
Low: 2xpdu2
for PVP: High: 4x125mm t2
Med: X5web -2 scrambler shieldbooster 1mn ab
Low: 1xpdu2 1xmag. stab.
With the NPC setup above, I've taken Angels BS spawns in 0.0 Really nice tank !
//Squize
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 20/05/2005 11:38:54 just fly the ship that has the most *bling* , that harpy cant run his sb forever, enyo can tank 24/7 + i broke harpy tank without to many props in my enyo. he had to warp out...
+resitance on enyo is better, more on kinetic less on thermal. + EM is more used in pvp as explosive.
and with enyo you can hunt npc bs down (the blaster-way), if youre bored.
btw a web is not neccesary, i can hit inty that are doing 3.5 km/s at 7 km orbit, its no problem at all. using 125 mm 2
and why would you want to sniper with a (elite)frig?
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Danii
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:39:00 -
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I fly both (I do level 3 missions in them). At first they look like a shield tanking vs armour tanking variation on the same theme, but the Harpy's range bonus makes a big difference.
Personally, I prefer the Enyo, as I like orbitting at 7.5km with webber (125mm with AM optimal ~10km). Obviously, getting NOSsed isn't an issue with PVE.
I use 125mm rails on the Harpy too, though I now have some questions. What's the optimal with AM & 150mms? Must be somewhere about 20km. If you're orbitting just within 20km, what kind of transversal velocity do you get? Can you hit anything that's orbitting you at 5km or closer?
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Squize
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 20/05/2005 11:38:54 just fly the ship that has the most *bling* , that harpy cant run his sb forever, enyo can tank 24/7 + i broke harpy tank without to many props in my enyo. he had to warp out...
Not true...
With my setup, I can run the ab, sb, hardener and guns forever !
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madaluap
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 20/05/2005 11:57:13 Edited by: madaluap on 20/05/2005 11:54:04 well, but its quite expensive. you will lose that ship once. maybe run into armageddon gankswat or something..there goes the gisti mods. i always look at cost vs power. and enyo still is more bling. harpy is still ..grey.
whoopsy i misread, than we have 2 winners eh?
but well harpy is a bit more longrange. enyo has a bit more tracking thats about it than
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Dai'mon
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:56:00 -
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Both ships are good but tbh if you are going to be fighting solo -> Ishkur ftw
It's slot layout is better suited for solo fighting and drones make a real difference.
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Squize
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:05:00 -
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U're right, its quite expensive.. but worth it ;) (sometimes)
All depends.. if you want "the" best AF setup, it's gonna cost.
But with standard T2 items, I would also prefer Enyo over Harpy, no doubt!
But as it is, you can't find items at whatever pricetag, that can make your Enyo match an Harpy with gisti items.. (of course, with equal skills)
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Gecco
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Posted - 2005.05.20 14:12:00 -
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I never use Warp scramblers or webber on my AF.. this is pure teamplay frigate in my point of view. Enyo can do huge amount of damage with the right skills and right guns and u need your mids to cap recharge and AB 2. high slot: small rails 125-150mm tech II 1 arb launcher Low slot: 1 smal armor rep II, rest passive or active hardners
I can be wrong but i havnt lost in 1on1 yet
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Cpt Fate
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Posted - 2005.05.20 14:21:00 -
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Hawk ftw, i prefer this over a harpy. Hawk costs 10mil while Harpy costs 25.
My Hawk PvP Setup: High: 3x Light Neutron Blaster II, 1x Named Rocket Launcher. Medium: 1x Small Shield Booster II. 1x Stasis Webifier I, 1x Warp Scrambler, 1x Cap Recharger. Low: 2x Power Diagnostic System II
Web and scramble then own with blasters and rockets.
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slothe
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Posted - 2005.05.20 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: slothe on 20/05/2005 15:42:52
Originally by: Cpt Fate Hawk ftw, i prefer this over a harpy. Hawk costs 10mil while Harpy costs 25.
My Hawk PvP Setup: High: 3x Light Neutron Blaster II, 1x Named Rocket Launcher. Medium: 1x Small Shield Booster II. 1x Stasis Webifier I, 1x Warp Scrambler, 1x Cap Recharger. Low: 2x Power Diagnostic System II
Web and scramble then own with blasters and rockets.
cant see this working unless you use a mwd.
the ship wont have enough speed to get close enough in to cause damage. your likely to be webbed yourself or outrun, and in either case outguned by 125 or 150mm rails.
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Toby Tyke
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Posted - 2005.05.20 15:44:00 -
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the harpy is only a solo fighter if it is tanked, which means no web or scrambler. if you want to fit a web and scrambler you better hope you dont come across another af. unless it is another harpy of course ;)
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.05.21 19:03:00 -
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Although I love my Harpy/Hawk, I have to say that Gallente AF's seem to be better. Either the Ishkur or Enyo, it doesn't matter, they both kick ass. A Hawk can have an amazing tank, but so can an enyo. A Harpy can have a great 'gank', but so can an Enyo. (Also, Enyo's are better for your wallet, if you don't use Gistii (like me))
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