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Zhou Yu
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Posted - 2005.05.20 00:44:00 -
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Well I was elsewhere in the galaxy just doing my thing when I get an email that my pos just killed some dude in a ibis (containing wheat) in a 0.3 in forge.
I thought, bleh prolly a pirate spy checking if its online, big deal. But then I thought, wait a minute, what kind of spy flys around with friggin wheat in his cargo hold? 20 minutes later I log on my pos alt and lo and behold this player is sitting outside my pos bubble in his little pod next to his can looking confused.
I convo him and he asked me did I destroy him, and I had to explain to him that I set the guns to do it automatically to anyone. We then chatted a bit and I found out he saw the game on the Sci Fi channel (ccp's current mini advertising proj) and wanted to play really badly.
So he's been playing for 3 days and today travelled to a 0.3 to do business because he found a good trade route for wheat and was exploring when he landed at my moon. (gotta love the wide eyed innocence of it all).
I explained to him any system under 0.5 is dangerous and pirates regularly live in the system we were in. I gave him 75k and my shuttle. His eyes lit up like christmas tree and talked for like an hour asking lots of stuff.
My point is i'm concerned about how new players are introduced to this game and what guides they are given besides that of the tutorial bot and station tutorial. A new player needs a proper guide into sec systems, pirates, clones and all that, more importantly because unlike many of the oldies, these new players are coming into a already established environment where their wide eyed innocence is not believed and they are immediately branded as alt spies.
I know corporations should be performing this task but maybe as a suggestion could there be a detailed ingame guide and the recruitment channel be open on default for new players.
Lastly, can recruiters please be aware that new players need time to train and are not just cattle to be herded in for the sake of member count.
Just some of my thoughts. Thx.
P.S i havent adopted the newbie but I have shown him to a good corp that will look after him.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.20 00:56:00 -
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A BETTER idea would be to FRIGGIN' REMOVE ALTS!!! Then people wouldn't be such jerks to real newbs.
It's been said enough times. Alts = suck.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.20 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sadist on 20/05/2005 01:01:46
Noobs should learn everything themselves, this way they dont end up lame-o's that fly ravens and never go out to 0.0, cuz its "Weal Scawy!". The only they'll be getting from me - is the standard noob fee of 1 million isk, enough to purchase some basic skills and a tier 3 frig.
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Caanan
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Posted - 2005.05.20 01:14:00 -
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Honestly eve is not that hard to figure out. I managed to do it alone.
A while ago my account was inactive, so i decided to make a trial and feel how it was to be a noob again. Without a corp theres really nothing you can do. You need a corp to show you what the possibilities in eve are, otherwise you have no idea whats going on. Finding a noob corp isn't hard, just go into recruitment channel and theres plenty. It will start you up right away.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2005.05.20 01:16:00 -
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Personally i love helping new guys, about 90% of which convo me cus they see me on the bounty boards or something. Its fun, and i feel ithelps the game when i give them some adice on what to do if they want to be a pirate etc, orhow to be a pirate hunter.
The problem with newbies in this game is that its hard to instruct them on how to play such a player driven game.
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Albus
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:04:00 -
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In my experience the best part of any game is being a noob and not having a clue. Once you know how it all works it all becomes far less exciting. All the information you could ever need on this game is available on the forums and various guides people have written, you just need to go and look for it. The same is true ingame, the most fun is had by simply going off exploring and seeing what is out there.
I feel immensely sorry for all the new guys who get scared off of exploring by the horror stories of "pirates" and "gankers". I can count the number of times someone has tried to kill me at a gate in <0.5 on the fingers of two hands, and thats in an entire year. The ones who have the most fun are the ones who just go for it, as your sci-fi channel guy did. Good on him.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:10:00 -
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gonna be a bit harsh, but: Better way for the noobies to learn is to throw them to the big wide world with a swiss knife, a pair of blankets, and a few cans of food to fend themselves imho.
....if they can handle it, they will be able to survive, if not, well too bad, but such is life 
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:16:00 -
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This is one of the best stories I've ever heard. Warms my heart. It took me a couple of days to figure out the interface and all, and another week to get comfortable with the layout of things. The whole first month was fantastic however. Everything seemed big and alive. It still does, but I understand it too well to be amazed now.
The newbie did just the right thing : he just ran head first and found a trade route, which probably had no more than a few thousand ISK in profit. He had no idea what really big money is, when you're new, 100k is worth more than 100 mil. When it is like that, everything is a fortune. It is great.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
This is one of the best stories I've ever heard. Warms my heart. It took me a couple of days to figure out the interface and all, and another week to get comfortable with the layout of things. The whole first month was fantastic however. Everything seemed big and alive. It still does, but I understand it too well to be amazed now.
The newbie did just the right thing : he just ran head first and found a trade route, which probably had no more than a few thousand ISK in profit. He had no idea what really big money is, when you're new, 100k is worth more than 100 mil. When it is like that, everything is a fortune. It is great.
yeah I still remember those days.
...100k isk was like "whoa! stinkin' rich!"
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:23:00 -
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The sole reason new players are treated badly is because you don't know if they are a new player.. If there were no alts people could properly judge just how long you've been around, and roughly how knowedgeable you are..
Instead, newbs are KOS in 0.0, hunted in low sec and mainly ignored outside of newbie-channel etc.
I'm more than happy to help a new player, and have spent hours explaining the ins and outs of Eve to others, but I'm not surprised newbs get killed on site all over the place, with it being so easy to knock up a quick alt to go scout without consequence..
I say throw all alts into repro vats and limit accounts to a single cahracter, some attempt should be made to guide new players into player-made corps early on, rather than stick in npc corps where the only people who can answer their questions are those trying to avoid being war-declared on 
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:23:00 -
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Nice story and i am glad to see, that some ppl are taking some time to help newcomers.
I still remember my startings, when i traveled only via Autopilot. Once i deactivated it and didnt know how to jump through a system  . End of stroy a pirate in his BS came and destroyed me still confused, why iam loosing shields and not jumping .
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Bsport
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:24:00 -
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lol yer and 3 jumps was a long way from my starter system
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Fredbob
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bsport
lol yer and 3 jumps was a long way from my starter system
hehe yea I spent over a week mining in Ryddinjorn before moving out and around as thing felt soo far away 
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:30:00 -
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Hey as a noobie 4 months odd ago i attacked concord 10 times in my newbie gallente ship before someone pointed out that i shouldnt shoot them up rofl
Then after that someone leant me some ISK - then some more then after a week and figuring basic stuff out and doing a lot of reading and posting on the forums. I had some skills going was doing miner with my 2x basic miners in 1.0 space lol
Then headed north got podded by XETIC (oh yay) before they fell apart. What then well i finally got enough mins sold to buy me a real frigate which i used on level 1 missions and more mining with Miner Is - finally joined my old corp - they helped me out for a while got up to a thorax then a brutix last month. Decided to switch corps for 0.0 access and be part of a larger alliance (and all the extra avenues it opens up) happy with ESE and FIX now and hoping to become a valuable member of their outfit.
Hutning larger rats now and working up some specialised skills and sending smallish donations to those newbies on the noobs channel they really do like it.
Now to get my tech 2 guns skills lol
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Eileen Bindus
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:36:00 -
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i ran into syndicate without knowing it is "owned" by someone cause there were nice npc trades possible - after a few jumps someone convoed me and asked to leave 3FA space.. well i did so ( after ive gotten some goods out hehe ) and thats it - nice ppl there - too bad my corps not interested in joining em...
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Ace Garpy
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:37:00 -
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Great story.
Got to agree though Alts are a pain in the arse!
I doubt so many players would pull stupid stunts using a main character.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Garpy
Great story.
Got to agree though Alts are a pain in the arse!
I doubt so many players would pull stupid stunts using a main character.
Ollobrains is a main 
J/k Ollo m8, go secure A2 for me, I need to haul stuff.
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Mister Q
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Posted - 2005.05.20 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
A BETTER idea would be to FRIGGIN' REMOVE ALTS!!! Then people wouldn't be such jerks to real newbs.
It's been said enough times. Alts = suck.
Possibly most amusing thing I've read all day. Alts don't suck, alts give you the chance to make an alter-ego, or a character designed to help out your main. I have threee accounts that help each other out as they have very focused skills. I started all three within two months as I realised to really enjoy the game and play it to the full there are simply not enough hours in the day (or year!) to train all the skills you want to.
I personally love helping n00bs because, as I've already experienced, a few months down the line they come to blow you up, think twice about it when they remember who you are, and let you get away 
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eileen Bindus
i ran into syndicate without knowing it is "owned" by someone cause there were nice npc trades possible - after a few jumps someone convoed me and asked to leave 3FA space.. well i did so ( after ive gotten some goods out hehe ) and thats it - nice ppl there - too bad my corps not interested in joining em...
Happened to me as well. I wanted to do missions for the Intaki Syndicate, so I took my hard earned thorax and got myself a courier mission. I made like 8-10 jumps in Syndicate without ever seeing another player. Then I ran into a gate camped by 5-7 battleships, got podded, finally understood why people said 0.0 was dangerous. I knew nothing of alliances and bottlenecks back then =P
In profit, it was a 1 mil loss after insurance payout, and it really sucked losing my first cruiser which I had mined for weeks to have built for me. An awesome lesson though.
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Anarkia Evangel
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:10:00 -
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Maybe the Answer to Alts is to show how old the account is, not giving out the Name of the main, but it shows how long the Alt has been around and how long the account has be active?
This mean people can still use alts for spying and wot not and still give a chance new players to be treated as such, just a though.
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Allen Deckard
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Caanan
Honestly eve is not that hard to figure out. I managed to do it alone.
A while ago my account was inactive, so i decided to make a trial and feel how it was to be a noob again. Without a corp theres really nothing you can do. You need a corp to show you what the possibilities in eve are, otherwise you have no idea whats going on. Finding a noob corp isn't hard, just go into recruitment channel and theres plenty. It will start you up right away.
Except that there isn't anything that tells someone how to change a channel. or what channel to go to if they do.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 20/05/2005 12:36:11
Originally by: Allen Deckard
Originally by: Caanan
Honestly eve is not that hard to figure out. I managed to do it alone.
A while ago my account was inactive, so i decided to make a trial and feel how it was to be a noob again. Without a corp theres really nothing you can do. You need a corp to show you what the possibilities in eve are, otherwise you have no idea whats going on. Finding a noob corp isn't hard, just go into recruitment channel and theres plenty. It will start you up right away.
Except that there isn't anything that tells someone how to change a channel. or what channel to go to if they do.
On day 5, god gave you a brain.
New players are dropeed into the game with some channels pre-opened. Lots of people there to tell them that a "help" channel might be for getting help, and a "trade" channel for things to do with trade....
As for finding the right button. Personally, I just push every button i see when Im not familiar with an iterface. Most are idot proof anyway so it cant harm much.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Anarkia Evangel
Maybe the Answer to Alts is to show how old the account is, not giving out the Name of the main, but it shows how long the Alt has been around and how long the account has be active?
This mean people can still use alts for spying and wot not and still give a chance new players to be treated as such, just a though.
uhhhh, games tells yo how old the toon is already, look at employment history...
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Anarkia Evangel
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
Originally by: Anarkia Evangel
Maybe the Answer to Alts is to show how old the account is, not giving out the Name of the main, but it shows how long the Alt has been around and how long the account has be active?
This mean people can still use alts for spying and wot not and still give a chance new players to be treated as such, just a though.
uhhhh, games tells yo how old the toon is already, look at employment history...
I mean the account too, not just the toon
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 20/05/2005 12:42:13
Originally by: Anarkia Evangel
Maybe the Answer to Alts is to show how old the account is, not giving out the Name of the main, but it shows how long the Alt has been around and how long the account has be active?
This mean people can still use alts for spying and wot not and still give a chance new players to be treated as such, just a though.
This is a helafine idea.
Right now, I won't give a dime to soul 1, because of all the scamming alts. It breaks me heart, because I'm really a nice guy.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:42:00 -
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:flashfact: You don't need to travel to the moon to find out if the POS online. The Scanner will show the forcefield if it is an fact online. If not, no force field will come up.
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.05.20 12:54:00 -
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Here is where the line is drawn.
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(gotta love the wide eyed innocence of it all)
We must stop helping others. They are out to get us. Dont get pulled into a scam become skeptical. Neutrals are all evil.
Alliances are not pirates.
If you see anyone in 0.4 and below pod the guy.
Eve is not the social reform game. Its not about helping others. Its how to become all powerful ruler of your domain.
Use the weak to make yourself strong.
You have guns use them!
Dont fly a battleship and cuddle your neighbor. We make ammo to blow you up.
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Posted - 2005.05.20 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Zezman on 20/05/2005 13:36:30
Originally by: Zhou Yu
... and lo and behold this player is sitting outside my pos bubble in his little pod next to his can looking confused.
This one kinda tugs at my heart strings. Definitaly good that you helped him out and explained things to him after the fact.
I remember back when I started, it was a long time before I was invited to join my first corp, and up until then, I actually had aquired three ships, an Imicus to mine in, an Iteron I to haul, and a Tristan to hunt rats in. Perhaps some of you remember the chaining guide I published? (Warning: Way out of date now)
Anyways, I was then and have always been, self reliant. Being in a corp accelerated things for me, but even now I do not take handouts from them or anyone. Really good players are born that way. I master every new game I pick up very fast.
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munkehdotnet
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Posted - 2005.05.20 13:53:00 -
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I found my NPC corp very helpful i was in STI for a month then i joined a real corp. STI helped new players lots and when i was in there they had group events like mining ops and sometimes group l3 / l4 missions and even when i got my ship blown up in 0.4 someone nearby in a raven waited for me at the gate so i could get back into safe space. i made an alt in a different npc corp and from what i saw they werent very help full and made comments like "THATS WHAT HELP CHANNEL IS FOR" rather than helping new players. its all about where you get put at the start and the people in there =]
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.05.20 14:23:00 -
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Zhou Yu:
You could have just said 'you're up the creek kid', but you didn't, you showed some class. That 75k isk probably bought him the ship that gets him addicted to EVE. Way to go.
I can say (having created an alt recently for hauling) that the rookie channel is still a pretty good place for new players to get large amounts of info. Only about 30% of it is wrong.
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