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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. Do you even read what you're writing? You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better? What?
Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP.
But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows.
Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?
They pretty much choose the to price cap tech at a level, that discourages your guys',farms and fields, approach. Or trying to incorporate more bottom up economy.
Just sayin in my opinion, the perspective of null vs hi sec has to be taking into consideration before just random buffs and remodeling is done.
Perhaps, since you don't seem to live in hi sec, and thus know no fear, perhaps the latest events in faction warfare could shed light. CCP went ahead and did changes while some groups held power and allowed them easier access.
Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.
Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.
( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.) |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:17:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.
If there was any doubt this was a troll... "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:43:00 -
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^ Take it as you will. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5551
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:58:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. Do you even read what you're writing? You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better? What? Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP. But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows. Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?
What makes you think they will?
raskonalkov wrote: I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to. .
So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5551
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:00:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote: Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.
Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.
( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)
What does this even mean? Are you drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks?
Actually no, one thing you said makes the rest make sense. I definitely believe you don't live in null  MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. Do you even read what you're writing? You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better? What? Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP. But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows. Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better? What makes you think they will? raskonalkov wrote: I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to. .
So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?
No I don't think they will so easily. Just thought you were under the impression they could or do want to buff it. And was asking why. |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote: Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.
Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.
( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)
What does this even mean? Are you drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks? Actually no, one thing you said makes the rest make sense. I definitely believe you don't live in null 
Goons and test own a lot of space right now. Might even argue more set up and ready for a change to null.
So most likely they would be ahead of any changes or ready to pounce on them. Compared to NC. being ready to pounce on any changes to null.
Not saying the goons are bad, or being unfair, just saying any changes, might help them then any others. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:04:00 -
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"if you change null it may benefit the CFC or the HBC along with everyone else therefore we should do nothing and keep the current null system in which the CFC and the HBC benefit at the exclusion of everyone else"
- some Publord
Truthfully though, what more fitting point of view to hold in a Frying Doom thread? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?
Mostly meant in terms of hulkagedon and burn jita, they won't spill out just to make more tech 2 items or mine an asteroid belt.
They will mostly spill out to attack people and stuff like that, who knows if they would make it permanent or not. But like I said, PL and other alliances down there don't spill out. They are content with just attacking other null sec alliances, or ganking people with supers. That would make it easy to buff null and make it more worthwhile or something.
If you could buff null and promise they would never spill out and only use their buffs to take down other alliances, that would be easier. But come on asking people to buff a group of people that are just gonna turn around and use it on ya is just dumb.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:11:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:"if you change null it may benefit the CFC or the HBC along with everyone else therefore we should do nothing and keep the current null system in which the CFC and the HBC benefit at the exclusion of everyone else"
- some Publord
Truthfully though, what more fitting point of view to hold in a Frying Doom thread?
I would probably have to include education or some kind of forced doctrine to improve things to really give it justice.
Yeah its too bad this thread is filled with Publords only. Low ranking goons and then myself. No one impressive besides CSM post here. I am sure a null sec buff will go over very well indeed. |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:37:00 -
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Instead of just repeating the cycle of incoherent nonsense followed by some poor sap trying to figure it out only to get even more incoherent nonsense in return, can we just fast-forward to the part where you swear you're bowing out of CSM politics or whatever? It'd save an awful lot of time and headaches. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2188
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:15:00 -
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Posting in a never ending thread.  CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2211
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:02:00 -
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All we can hope is that the next election has AT LEAST the same amount of forum drama!
And some candidates that sign their posts!
"ring mining"
Issler |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:18:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Instead of just repeating the cycle of incoherent nonsense followed by some poor sap trying to figure it out only to get even more incoherent nonsense in return, can we just fast-forward to the part where you swear you're bowing out of CSM politics or whatever? It'd save an awful lot of time and headaches. Because you asked so nicely, I will pop my head up and be a thorn in the Null Sec Lobby Groups side for the next election.
After all we wouldn't want people to believe your incoherent nonsense. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:04:00 -
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6 whole days, Frying Doom. Couldn't even hold out a single week. That's pretty pathetic, even for you. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:39:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:6 whole days, Frying Doom. Couldn't even hold out a single week. That's pretty pathetic, even for you.
Besides, the only thorn you'll be in anyone's side is whatever fringe highsec candidate you glom onto this time. If you do change anything, maybe make it less creepy this time around? Like, to the point where the candidate doesn't have to create a thread and swear that they have no affiliation with you? It's not like you in agency-robbing creeper mode is all that entertaining for the rest of us anyway. So what you are saying is that I should throw my support behind a Goonswarm candidate then? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:57:00 -
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Sure. Will you quit CSM politics again when it doesn't change anything? 5 days' break is still a break I guess. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:08:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Sure. Will you quit CSM politics again when it doesn't change anything? 5 days' break is still a break I guess. It was a nice break, I am actually planning a longer one but in my tin foilly hat ways, I got what I came for.
The minutes may be a hard thing for the players to swallow, just as some members comments will probably be hard for them to swallow come the next election.
So long, live tin foil Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:21:00 -
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^ Yeah, I am planning some breaks too. Maybe one soon, then right before the main stuff starts.
We should get together and AFK ice mine to buy plexs, but you probably have better ways to spend time.
Also Merry Christmas, my fellow nubs. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:48:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:^ Yeah, I am planning some breaks too. Maybe one soon, then right before the main stuff starts.
We should get together and AFK ice mine to buy plexs, but you probably have better ways to spend time.
Also Merry Christmas, my fellow nubs. Merry Christmas Raskonalkov
Merry Christmas All. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:52:00 -
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Indeed a Merry Christmas to me.
And a very Merry Christmas to you. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5555
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:44:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:All we can hope is that the next election has AT LEAST the same amount of forum drama!
And some candidates that sign their posts!
"ring mining"
Issler
"hope"
heh
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
518
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Posted - 2012.12.22 23:22:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:raskonalkov wrote:Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. If there was any doubt this was a troll...
Kedluum did not even know the AI mechanics that came with Retribution. You know, the ones that impact his Eve UNI guys the most, and high sec mission runners in general.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2301627#post2301627 |

raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
32
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Posted - 2012.12.23 06:55:00 -
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Quote:Issler Dainze wrote: You're all just a bunch of whiners....
So I don't see the problem here, all you have to do is make your own alliance, recruit 30K members, find a way to fund it, spend years to learn how to fight, build a huge fleet of warships and then take all the moons yourself!! It only took the goons about 6 years to get where they are now, assuming they stop growing and sit around waiting for you soon you can win Eve.
I anxiously await my new overlords in 2018!
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.
Issler
See no one in hi sec would say something like that. They would most likely just quit the game, and wait for things to smooth out rather then do that. That is why Issler is too succesfull and strong for hi sec CSM.
Hi Sec needs a CSM that will quit at every war dec, and pretty much after every expansion and only come back after a few months and the 7th patch.
See, I wasn't trolling at all. I just don't try to state the obvious.
(Further proof is ISD didn't delete anything, so its obviously not a troll.) |

Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
10
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Posted - 2012.12.31 20:44:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Bye! See you next election when you return to nearly destroy someone's campaign and then take credit for it's success in spite of you.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:03:00 -
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Frying Doom quitting CSM politics seems to be something roughly along the lines of Krixtal Icefluxor quitting the game. It just doesn't happen.
Frying Doom wrote: After all we wouldn't want people to believe your incoherent nonsense.
Instead you try to get them to believe your incoherent nonsense. Tell me again how nerfing jump drive range would be a boon to small alliances? Wait, we killed that one dead already...  You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2347
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1539
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:48:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Frying Doom quitting CSM politics seems to be something roughly along the lines of Krixtal Icefluxor quitting the game. It just doesn't happen. Frying Doom wrote: After all we wouldn't want people to believe your incoherent nonsense.
Instead you try to get them to believe your incoherent nonsense. Tell me again how nerfing jump drive range would be a boon to small alliances? Wait, we killed that one dead already...  Yes and I admitted fully well that your explanation was good and that I was flat wrong.
Actually the increase fuel usage in jump drives is a lot better idea than nerfing the range. But that is on ideas about improving the game not about the actions of a small group of people. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1539
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:50:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. I know its sarcasm but thanks anyway.
I am not even sure myself what this years will be as although I have the crucifixes ready to go I am waiting for the minutes to be released to see if they are needed or how many. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:52:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. I know its sarcasm but thanks anyway. I am not even sure myself what this years will be as although I have the crucifixes ready to go I am waiting for the minutes to be released to see if they are needed or how many.
At which point everyone will roll their eyes and sigh. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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