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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.12.15 02:45:00 -
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Well I am bowing out of CSM politics.
I started this path figuring out that the CSM elections were really easy to rig, to show this I got the person on a list I found, they were at the bottom of it, they are now on the CSM.
I used an idea from south park on conspiracy theories.
At the same time I have argued, bitched and gripped that the potential voters just need better education and that the CSM is not really just for Null sec.
But after this year through which we have gotten some cool stuff for mining, better barges and a new frig and some cool FW stuff, every thing has just turned back to the normal CSM perspective of give Null sec everything and the rest of the game can go to hell. If you disagree let the future prove me wrong.
So I am joining the non-voting ranks and have actually gone over to the "The CSM is just for Null group"
Frankly I would be happier if we did not have a CSM, after all I would not like to think that CCP thought that the majority of those people were in any way shape or form representative of were I would like to see the future of the game.
Oh but I would vote for "Disband the CSM", the best possible use of voting rights.
Well back to your usual Null sec propaganda speech. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
1009
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Posted - 2012.12.15 05:32:00 -
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Cool. Thanks for announcing your intent to not vote, thus making it even easier for the CSM to be a null oriented group.
Because, y'know, that's why it's apparently so null oriented, right? Ten thousand goons hold a lot of power when the total voting pool is only like 50-60 thousand people.
If your problem was really that you think it's a null oriented group, you'd be doing everything you could to get more people to vote instead of going home like a petulant child. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
679
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Posted - 2012.12.15 06:47:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/L86oE.jpg "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.12.15 07:12:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Cool. Thanks for announcing your intent to not vote, thus making it even easier for the CSM to be a null oriented group.
Because, y'know, that's why it's apparently so null oriented, right? Ten thousand goons hold a lot of power when the total voting pool is only like 50-60 thousand people.
If your problem was really that you think it's a null oriented group, you'd be doing everything you could to get more people to vote instead of going home like a petulant child. If you had not noticed besides the usual people only a handful of people contributed to this summit's documents.
NO ONE CARES.
If you look at past threads to do with summits they were a lot more spirited by the regulars as well as the rest of the forum community. This time you can hear the crickets.
Frankly I like the idea of being part of the 80%+ of EvEs population that do not want to vote as then CCP might get it into their heads that the views of The Null Sec Lobby group represent EvE.
Oh and thanks Snow Axe, I liked the picture.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1155
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Posted - 2012.12.15 08:22:00 -
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bye Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
2580
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Posted - 2012.12.15 09:23:00 -
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Get out.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Disband the CSM
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Oh but I would vote for "Disband the CSM", the best possible use of voting rights.
Thanks, YO!
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Noisrevbus
315
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:10:00 -
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Something i've never understood when it comes to like seclusionists like you, the OP, is how you can never see that "nullsec" players generally visit all security statuses of the game and interact with the content there, while you do not. They may not spend as much time in empire (or whatever bridge you dwell under) as you do, but they do play there - while you choose not to play in "nullsec". The "agenda" of any "nullsec" player, as such, tend to be far more responsible and attentative to the whole game than any player who choose to just participate in one tiny slice of what this game have to offer. Broad perspectives are absolutely what we need, not narrowminded bigots.
Good riddance. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
29
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Posted - 2012.12.16 08:59:00 -
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But Frying your gonna miss out on all the overly technical bullshit during every CSM election if you quit now.
Won't you miss the trolling? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5511
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Posted - 2012.12.18 07:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Oh but I would vote for "Disband the CSM", the best possible use of voting rights.
"I don't want to bother putting in as much effort and organisation as the other kids so they shouldn't even be allowed to play their stupid game that I don't even want to play because it's stupid so no one else should be allowed to play it I HATE YOU ALL I'M GOING HOME."
You were never "in" 'CSM politics'. You just yelled at people. And now you're going to shut up?
I bet you can't even commit to doing that for a full week. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
29
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Posted - 2012.12.18 11:22:00 -
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^ Sounds like CSM politics. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.12.18 13:18:00 -
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Bye bye!
(PS: Your posts are terrible, you are not a magnificent puppetmaster, :getout: ) |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2182
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Posted - 2012.12.19 17:03:00 -
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This makes me sad because I like watching you argue with Snow Axe all the time. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
18
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Well I am bowing out of CSM politics.
Borderline psychotic turboposting does not make you part of "CSM politics". |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:15:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Well I am bowing out of CSM politics. Borderline psychotic turboposting does not make you part of "CSM politics". Ok this one I like
I must thank Lord Zim and Snow Axe as well as other members of Goonswarm, for teaching me this style of posting. It has been a lot of fun.
I do have two questions not being from the United States where so many of the CSM are from.
How many members of the current CSM are from the USA and do you have a strong union movement there?
Just curious you see things on TV but most TV is biased one way or the other.
Again thanks Goonswarm and others its been fun
Oh and yes I will miss the trolling Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3444
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:24:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:If you had not noticed besides the usual people
...who aren't all from 0.0. Two step, Aleks, Trebor, myself, all represent players outside 0.0 and were heavily involved in the document we submitted to CCP before the summit, which is remarkably similar to their own approach they will be sharing with the public very soon.
No one's buying the whiny, dishonest bullshit. You do the community a disservice by keeping this nonsense up. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:31:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Frying Doom wrote:If you had not noticed besides the usual people ...who aren't all from 0.0. Two step, Aleks, Trebor, myself, all represent players outside 0.0 and were heavily involved in the document we submitted to CCP before the summit, which is remarkably similar to their own approach they will be sharing with the public very soon. No one's buying the whiny, dishonest bullshit. You do the community a disservice by keeping this nonsense up. So your detailed plans for letting Null sec grow without killing Hi-sec or making Null more for filling without rewarding Null players at a rate higher than those in Wormholes are?
But honestly Hans, do as you will and I will leave the whiny, dishonest bullshit to you. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
687
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:33:00 -
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5 whole days. Must have been tough. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:41:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:5 whole days. Must have been tough. It was but I couldn't let a Hans comment like that go free.
But anyway, so long and thanks for all the fish. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
687
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:48:00 -
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Bye! See you next election when you return to nearly destroy someone's campaign and then take credit for it's success in spite of you. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3446
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Posted - 2012.12.20 21:50:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:5 whole days. Must have been tough. It was but I couldn't let a Hans comment like that go free. But anyway, so long and thanks for all the fish.
ta-ta! Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.12.21 00:58:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Bye! See you next election when you return to nearly destroy someone's campaign and then take credit for it's success in spite of you. I look forward to seeing a CSM top 7 with nothing but Goonswarm. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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None ofthe Above
379
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Frying Doom wrote:If you had not noticed besides the usual people ...who aren't all from 0.0. Two step, Aleks, Trebor, myself, all represent players outside 0.0 and were heavily involved in the document we submitted to CCP before the summit, which is remarkably similar to their own approach they will be sharing with the public very soon. No one's buying the whiny, dishonest bullshit. You do the community a disservice by keeping this nonsense up. So your detailed plans for letting Null sec grow without killing Hi-sec or making Null more for filling without rewarding Null players at a rate higher than those in Wormholes are? But honestly Hans, do as you will and I will leave the whiny, dishonest bullshit to you.
FFS! This again.
If you are talking about the strategic planning document, the whole master plan there was, "Work on big things AND small things, you can even group them together with a theme!"
They gave some possible examples that were all null sec related that was admittedly probably a tactical error on their part, but it wasn't the thrust of the document.
Take off your tinfoil hat and reread it and you may be enlightened. (Or you are aware and choosing to ignore, in which the dishonest BS charge Hans levelled at you is on the mark.) EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
29
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Posted - 2012.12.21 05:13:00 -
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^ True no reason to get angry at that CSM letter, with ways to improve null sec.
None of those ideas are feasible so there is no reason to get angry.
It is just mean, Frying, to not let null sec have their imaginations and overly idealistic goals. If they had a chance of getting much, you might be true frying doom. But you should have a heart towards them, all they have is their dreams and you should be careful about treading, since you can tread on them.
They can't really nerf your hi sec POS, they can only dream about nerfing your hi sec POS. And isn't that the most precious of all? |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
826
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:06:00 -
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Yes, everything in every example was for 0.0 only. Better POS, better mining, removing T2 production bottle necks, these are exclusively null sec things. Totes...
But even if we assume Frying Doom is wearing that shiny hat for a reason:
Instead of taking the fact that the four most prominent non-sov-nullsec reps (me, Two Step, Hans, Trebor) put an emphasis on null sec related development because null sec hasn't had a dedicated expansion in 3 years (and the one they did get was a FWesque half-release that CCP never fleshed out), Frying is so committed to his opinion that he'd rather insist the four of us are actually nullsec alliance guys.
Also, OP is a week old and he's still posting.
Frying: is there someone we can call for you? A family member or counselor maybe? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:38:00 -
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^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliance in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:41:00 -
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In null now, one is not allowed to sell supers to the enemy. That is all I am saying really. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5550
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Posted - 2012.12.21 08:32:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.
Do you even read what you're writing?
You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better?
What? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
33
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Posted - 2012.12.21 08:47:00 -
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Also, one of the oft-cited benefits of WHs is having cycling access to all kinds of others people's space to **** on them from, so really an awful argument through and through. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:01:00 -
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^ Only small things use that though. Nothing really exciting. |
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. Do you even read what you're writing? You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better? What?
Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP.
But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows.
Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?
They pretty much choose the to price cap tech at a level, that discourages your guys',farms and fields, approach. Or trying to incorporate more bottom up economy.
Just sayin in my opinion, the perspective of null vs hi sec has to be taking into consideration before just random buffs and remodeling is done.
Perhaps, since you don't seem to live in hi sec, and thus know no fear, perhaps the latest events in faction warfare could shed light. CCP went ahead and did changes while some groups held power and allowed them easier access.
Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.
Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.
( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.) |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:17:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative.
If there was any doubt this was a troll... "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:43:00 -
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^ Take it as you will. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5551
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:58:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. Do you even read what you're writing? You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better? What? Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP. But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows. Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better?
What makes you think they will?
raskonalkov wrote: I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to. .
So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5551
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:00:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote: Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.
Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.
( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)
What does this even mean? Are you drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks?
Actually no, one thing you said makes the rest make sense. I definitely believe you don't live in null MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote:^ I wish, just helping out null sec or giving them an expansion, was just that, giving them an expansion.
Seems like null sec spills out of null sec too often. Suppose why Frying and others are wary of buffing them.
I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to.
Two step might be able to explain to us, why Wormhole people don't spill out of wormholes. ( I heard there are alliances in them that attack carebears in wormholes, but they never spill out of them.)
Of course this might just be a goon problem or something. Most alliance to my knowledge in null like to stay in null and annoy the people there only. (Someone can correct me if wrong) (Or don't correct me, would be fun to start a thread saying null will never be buffed, because of goons, since they spill out and scam everyone.) ( Of course, goons, know this already, that is why they are gobbling up the moons.) ( They suspect CCP will never buff them, cause of their backward ways, so they will go ahead and buff themselves, then finally spill out of null for the last time, to bring destruction and ruin to everyone.)
Everyone fears PL, rightly so, but all they do is gank carebears in capitals and supers, not spill into hi sec. So with them only taking their ganking capabilities into stock is needed for a null sec expansion.
Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. Do you even read what you're writing? You're seriously opposing a nullsec fix because dem uppity nullsec boys dare to come into decent people's space? And you think that people who want to be in null will spend even more time in hisec if CCP make null better? What? Most developers I imagine look at balancing before they implement a feature. Of course that might be overboard for CCP. But CCP could make the decision to go ahead and buff and then let everyone else deal with it. Who knows. Besides what makes you think CCP would make null better? What makes you think they will? raskonalkov wrote: I mean if you buff null or give them an expansion, they will just spill out of null with their new toys, and attack hi seccers or who ever they want to. .
So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?
No I don't think they will so easily. Just thought you were under the impression they could or do want to buff it. And was asking why. |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:52:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:raskonalkov wrote: Its pretty easy to tell some groups have a lot more power in null right now then others. Any buff or remodeling might make it easy for those super powers, to keep power easier or be more rewarding to them. I think you used to have a quote before on your sig that described that event malcanis.
Of course I don't live in null sec, so I don't fear that happening, and will just proclaim you a coward for feeling that way.
( Actually I do fear that, even though I don't live in null sec, cause the goons have that power, and they likey to attacky.)
What does this even mean? Are you drinking a lot of caffeinated drinks? Actually no, one thing you said makes the rest make sense. I definitely believe you don't live in null
Goons and test own a lot of space right now. Might even argue more set up and ready for a change to null.
So most likely they would be ahead of any changes or ready to pounce on them. Compared to NC. being ready to pounce on any changes to null.
Not saying the goons are bad, or being unfair, just saying any changes, might help them then any others. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
690
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:04:00 -
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"if you change null it may benefit the CFC or the HBC along with everyone else therefore we should do nothing and keep the current null system in which the CFC and the HBC benefit at the exclusion of everyone else"
- some Publord
Truthfully though, what more fitting point of view to hold in a Frying Doom thread? "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:08:00 -
[39] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
So anwer the question: you're seriously contending that if CCP make null more engaging and worthwhile, this will lead to an increase in the number of nullsec pilots operating outside of nullsec? Because that's what you typed. I just wondered if you actually meant to type "If you don't buff null..."?
Mostly meant in terms of hulkagedon and burn jita, they won't spill out just to make more tech 2 items or mine an asteroid belt.
They will mostly spill out to attack people and stuff like that, who knows if they would make it permanent or not. But like I said, PL and other alliances down there don't spill out. They are content with just attacking other null sec alliances, or ganking people with supers. That would make it easy to buff null and make it more worthwhile or something.
If you could buff null and promise they would never spill out and only use their buffs to take down other alliances, that would be easier. But come on asking people to buff a group of people that are just gonna turn around and use it on ya is just dumb.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:11:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:"if you change null it may benefit the CFC or the HBC along with everyone else therefore we should do nothing and keep the current null system in which the CFC and the HBC benefit at the exclusion of everyone else"
- some Publord
Truthfully though, what more fitting point of view to hold in a Frying Doom thread?
I would probably have to include education or some kind of forced doctrine to improve things to really give it justice.
Yeah its too bad this thread is filled with Publords only. Low ranking goons and then myself. No one impressive besides CSM post here. I am sure a null sec buff will go over very well indeed. |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:37:00 -
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Instead of just repeating the cycle of incoherent nonsense followed by some poor sap trying to figure it out only to get even more incoherent nonsense in return, can we just fast-forward to the part where you swear you're bowing out of CSM politics or whatever? It'd save an awful lot of time and headaches. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2188
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:15:00 -
[42] - Quote
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2211
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Posted - 2012.12.21 20:02:00 -
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All we can hope is that the next election has AT LEAST the same amount of forum drama!
And some candidates that sign their posts!
"ring mining"
Issler |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:18:00 -
[44] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Instead of just repeating the cycle of incoherent nonsense followed by some poor sap trying to figure it out only to get even more incoherent nonsense in return, can we just fast-forward to the part where you swear you're bowing out of CSM politics or whatever? It'd save an awful lot of time and headaches. Because you asked so nicely, I will pop my head up and be a thorn in the Null Sec Lobby Groups side for the next election.
After all we wouldn't want people to believe your incoherent nonsense. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:04:00 -
[45] - Quote
6 whole days, Frying Doom. Couldn't even hold out a single week. That's pretty pathetic, even for you. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:39:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:6 whole days, Frying Doom. Couldn't even hold out a single week. That's pretty pathetic, even for you.
Besides, the only thorn you'll be in anyone's side is whatever fringe highsec candidate you glom onto this time. If you do change anything, maybe make it less creepy this time around? Like, to the point where the candidate doesn't have to create a thread and swear that they have no affiliation with you? It's not like you in agency-robbing creeper mode is all that entertaining for the rest of us anyway. So what you are saying is that I should throw my support behind a Goonswarm candidate then? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
691
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:57:00 -
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Sure. Will you quit CSM politics again when it doesn't change anything? 5 days' break is still a break I guess. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:08:00 -
[48] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Sure. Will you quit CSM politics again when it doesn't change anything? 5 days' break is still a break I guess. It was a nice break, I am actually planning a longer one but in my tin foilly hat ways, I got what I came for.
The minutes may be a hard thing for the players to swallow, just as some members comments will probably be hard for them to swallow come the next election.
So long, live tin foil Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:21:00 -
[49] - Quote
^ Yeah, I am planning some breaks too. Maybe one soon, then right before the main stuff starts.
We should get together and AFK ice mine to buy plexs, but you probably have better ways to spend time.
Also Merry Christmas, my fellow nubs. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1021
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:48:00 -
[50] - Quote
raskonalkov wrote:^ Yeah, I am planning some breaks too. Maybe one soon, then right before the main stuff starts.
We should get together and AFK ice mine to buy plexs, but you probably have better ways to spend time.
Also Merry Christmas, my fellow nubs. Merry Christmas Raskonalkov
Merry Christmas All. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.12.22 07:52:00 -
[51] - Quote
Indeed a Merry Christmas to me.
And a very Merry Christmas to you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5555
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:44:00 -
[52] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:All we can hope is that the next election has AT LEAST the same amount of forum drama!
And some candidates that sign their posts!
"ring mining"
Issler
"hope"
heh
MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
518
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Posted - 2012.12.22 23:22:00 -
[53] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:raskonalkov wrote:Kelduum is great as a hi sec representative, but too slow, It will take years before his army of carebears are ready. And Issler is too successfull and not weak enough to be a hi sec representative. If there was any doubt this was a troll...
Kedluum did not even know the AI mechanics that came with Retribution. You know, the ones that impact his Eve UNI guys the most, and high sec mission runners in general.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2301627#post2301627 |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
32
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Posted - 2012.12.23 06:55:00 -
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Quote:Issler Dainze wrote: You're all just a bunch of whiners....
So I don't see the problem here, all you have to do is make your own alliance, recruit 30K members, find a way to fund it, spend years to learn how to fight, build a huge fleet of warships and then take all the moons yourself!! It only took the goons about 6 years to get where they are now, assuming they stop growing and sit around waiting for you soon you can win Eve.
I anxiously await my new overlords in 2018!
Not speaking for the CSM but I would have expected something to have happened by now to address isk printing machines like tech moons.
Issler
See no one in hi sec would say something like that. They would most likely just quit the game, and wait for things to smooth out rather then do that. That is why Issler is too succesfull and strong for hi sec CSM.
Hi Sec needs a CSM that will quit at every war dec, and pretty much after every expansion and only come back after a few months and the 7th patch.
See, I wasn't trolling at all. I just don't try to state the obvious.
(Further proof is ISD didn't delete anything, so its obviously not a troll.) |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
10
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Posted - 2012.12.31 20:44:00 -
[55] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Bye! See you next election when you return to nearly destroy someone's campaign and then take credit for it's success in spite of you.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.12.31 21:03:00 -
[56] - Quote
Frying Doom quitting CSM politics seems to be something roughly along the lines of Krixtal Icefluxor quitting the game. It just doesn't happen.
Frying Doom wrote: After all we wouldn't want people to believe your incoherent nonsense.
Instead you try to get them to believe your incoherent nonsense. Tell me again how nerfing jump drive range would be a boon to small alliances? Wait, we killed that one dead already... You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2347
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:11:00 -
[57] - Quote
Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1539
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:48:00 -
[58] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Frying Doom quitting CSM politics seems to be something roughly along the lines of Krixtal Icefluxor quitting the game. It just doesn't happen. Frying Doom wrote: After all we wouldn't want people to believe your incoherent nonsense.
Instead you try to get them to believe your incoherent nonsense. Tell me again how nerfing jump drive range would be a boon to small alliances? Wait, we killed that one dead already... Yes and I admitted fully well that your explanation was good and that I was flat wrong.
Actually the increase fuel usage in jump drives is a lot better idea than nerfing the range. But that is on ideas about improving the game not about the actions of a small group of people. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1539
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. I know its sarcasm but thanks anyway.
I am not even sure myself what this years will be as although I have the crucifixes ready to go I am waiting for the minutes to be released to see if they are needed or how many. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.12.31 22:52:00 -
[60] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. I know its sarcasm but thanks anyway. I am not even sure myself what this years will be as although I have the crucifixes ready to go I am waiting for the minutes to be released to see if they are needed or how many.
At which point everyone will roll their eyes and sigh. You may know me better as Corestwo: https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/corestwo
This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1546
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Posted - 2013.01.01 05:43:00 -
[61] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Frying Doom is an excellent platform for which to detail my perspectives and explanations on how nullsec and New Eden as a whole can be improved. I look forward to his retirement and ensuing posting flood during CSM8 campaign season. I know its sarcasm but thanks anyway. I am not even sure myself what this years will be as although I have the crucifixes ready to go I am waiting for the minutes to be released to see if they are needed or how many. At which point everyone will roll their eyes and sigh. And this is a game and that part is my entertainment Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
879
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Posted - 2013.01.01 08:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
Unironic dance puppets dance itt "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread[" |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1546
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Posted - 2013.01.01 09:09:00 -
[63] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Unironic dance puppets dance itt Have you been drinking? I know it's new years. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Coldest Sea Sailing
12
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Posted - 2013.01.01 09:39:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mr. Doom, if you keep making me agree with Snow Axe, it might start to get uncomfortable for him... I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1299
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Posted - 2013.01.01 09:47:00 -
[65] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Unironic dance puppets dance itt Have you been drinking? I know it's new years. What's your excuse the other 364 days of the year? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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