If only they would add a skill to passively increase your sensor strength so you don't feel 'pressured' into fitting 'situational' mods on your ships... oh wait.

I need to train them immediately, I'm afraid to solo pvp because of falcons !

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Or is the OP saying that the falcon plus any other ship is capable of blowing up any one ship they might encounter?

Since I've been here from the start, I think what he is saying is he does not like being perma jammed.

Can we get past how it happens and discuss how falcons and BB and kitsune destroys engagements

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Being jammed by a light ECM drone pisses me off more than being jammed by a Falcon. It is a 20 second jam for both. There was some stats that showed the numbers of each produced EW drone being manufactured and the heavy, medium and light ECM drones were the top three being produced. And I'm not talking about them edging out all the other EW drones to win the trifecta. The other EW drones were dwarfed.

Supply and demand hard at work.

That's because all the other utility drones are garbage.

~Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a troll.

Ok - a few years ago i remember CCP talking about the reason why they changes the doomsday affect from area to target specific.

I agreed with a lot of their thinking, titan AOE doomsdays killed battles.

I am finding that Falcons are in my opinion coming close to being "battle killers"; its relative ease at how it can sit cloaked, and then uncloak to jam targets to me is what is painful; some of the lamest tactics are at play here. sabre on gate go to engage uncloak falcon and sit for 30 + seconds and not be able to defend yourself is quite honestly a game killer.

I like to PVP and I have been using smaller ships since they have give me chest beating than using 250m ships - if i lose my small ship to a falcon jamming is less painful than losing a 250m ship. However, what ever the cost of ship - the falcon is quite honestly a battle killer. i guess this is coming from a point of view of a solo pvp'er but in any sized gang being able to not defend yourself against a falcon or for that matter a BB, is what for me is killing PVP.

I'm curious. Have you tried to destroy these falcons?

In the ships I fly - No, i'm perma jammed in my BC, Cruiser, AS, Frig, Destoyer. The problem is with any class of ship lower than a BC you are pretty much un able to defend or attack, there isn't a reasonable counter to it.

In all of my posts I've tried to make the point that flying a falcon involves relatively no decisions and judgements. I've seen people mention using Logi being like a falcon - in a lot of ways you're probably right, is it a battle decider - yes, will i choose not to engage a ship that has a logi on the field - yes. Does a logi leave me unable to defend myself if for some reason i chose to fight - No... As you can see if we went down the same logic used to nerf the AOE Titan, then when we consider if these ships stop people from engaging - i believe we do. But the reasons why i have specifically called out the falcon is becuase anyone can stick an ewar module on their ship - the ability of the pilot of the different bonused ewar ships (BB, Kitsune and falcon) is never really made to "work" to win.

Thanks for the detailed reply.

I suppose the lock breaker and the micro jump mod might be enough to send in a disco SB but that's probably suicide. My experience with falcons is NIL.
(but I do love the Guristas mission permajam myself).

Imagine being in the car park at your local supermarket. 2 guys come up to you and "engage"- the first guys goes right in and grabs you and you try to defend yourself again him first - The other person goes behind you and grabs your hands and manages to tie your hands together behind your back. That second person right there is your falcon pilot.

Came on here looking for a discussion and got greeted with the usually eve space mines, trolls, flamers

Falcon Uncloaked, Primary Falcon. Dead Falcon.

Falcon Uncloaked, Primary Falcon. Dead Falcon.

Yeah, that is what I tried to do a little bit earlier. Would have worked too (if I was 50km closer...) if it was not for the 30 light ECM drones on me keeping me jammed...

Smartbomb

Summary:
OP engaged a sabre and a second ship decloaked to help the sabre => OP lost his ship and whines.

It doesnt matter, what type of ship the second one was - falcon, logistic, dps - in all cases you had lost.

Summary:
OP engaged a sabre and a second ship decloaked to help the sabre => OP lost his ship and whines.

It doesnt matter, what type of ship the second one was - falcon, logistic, dps - in all cases you had lost.