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Klaus Fleischer
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Posted - 2005.05.20 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Klaus Fleischer on 21/05/2005 00:28:53
WANTED: FOR CRIMES AGAINST THE CALDARI STATE
Dr. Ullia Hnolku
Wanted for the following crimes:
- Absence without proper notification and clearance
- Conspiracy to commit theft of corporate property
- Theft of corporate property
- Resisting lawful arrest
- Conspiracy to collaborate with foreign states and nationals
- Collaboration with foreign states and nationals
- Compromising corporate security
- Compromising Caldari State national security
- Conspiracy against the Caldari State
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is an enemy of the Caldari State. He has stolen Ishukone corporate property for selfish purposes. He has continued to conspire against the Caldari State despite efforts to negotiate. He has forfeited his rights as a Caldari citizen. He has forfeited his family's rights as Caldari citizens. He is attempting to destabilize Caldari and intergalactic stability. He has conspired against the Caldari State. He is a threat to all Caldari citizens. His family is a threat to all Caldari citizens. He is your enemy.
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
It is your duty as Caldari citizens to report any sighting of Dr. Ullia Hnolku, Eckarine Hnolku, and members of Dr. Ullia Hnolku's family to the proper Caldari State authorities or the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve (CAIN) for arrest, processing, and interrogation. To sa***uard Caldari State security, any past or present associates of Dr. Ullia Hnolku must report to proper Caldari State authorities or CAIN for questioning.
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
Do not aid or assist Dr. Ullia Hnolku, Eckarine Hnolku, and members of Dr. Ullia Hnolku's family. Aiding and abetting these criminals are considered crimes and punishable as aiding and abetting, obstructing justice, and conspiracy against the Caldari State.
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
The Caldari Independent Navy Reserve WILL find Dr. Ullia Hnolku and bring him to justice. You can serve the Caldari State loyally and proudly by assisting CAIN in their mission to bring Dr. Ullia Hnolku to justice. The Caldari State will prevail. CAIN will prevail. The Caldari citizens will prevail.
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
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Darax Thulain
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Posted - 2005.05.21 00:46:00 -
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You touch him and I murder you.
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2005.05.21 00:52:00 -
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It is so nice that intellectuals can talk to each other and see the ramifications of criminal activities.
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Eddie Gordo
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Posted - 2005.05.21 00:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Narciss Sevar
It is so nice that intellectuals can talk to each other and see the ramifications of criminal activities.
very little point waxing intellectual when a storm of projectile fire and torps can do the talking.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
Been there, done that.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
The Caldari Independent Navy Reserve WILL find Dr. Ullia Hnolku and bring him to justice. You can serve the Caldari State loyally and proudly by assisting CAIN in their mission to bring Dr. Ullia Hnolku to justice. The Caldari State will prevail. CAIN will prevail. The Caldari citizens will prevail.
I'll take a raincheck on that, thanks.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
Right right, noted and notary sealed. dumps accusation in his cylindrical file bin
There, now don't say Pulgor never did nothing for the people's!
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 01:46:00 -
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Good evening, I have decided to work off some community service hours by providing commentary on this message so that regular people can "Read between the lines."
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
Wanted for the following crimes:
- Absence without proper notification and clearance
While leaving the job is bad form. It's hardly a crime. Does this mean in the Caldari State when someone dosn't show up for one day the state officials drag the "Offender" away in a dramatic display?
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Conspiracy to commit theft of corporate property
Dosn't it take more then one person to create a conspiracy. Why the alleged conspericy against The Star Fraction involved atleast 5 different people.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Theft of corporate property
Makes sense.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Resisting lawful arrest
It's a crime to try to get away with the crime? I suppose you expected him to just go to New Caldari Prime and turn himself in right after he obscunded with your precious formula.
Do you also expect Arinies Xemdel (Possibly misspelled) to just go turn himself over to CONCORD now that he has 30 billion in UQS funds?
Where do you get this stuff?
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Conspiracy to collaborate with foreign states and nationals
Finally a conspericy with more then just the lone suspect.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Collaboration with foreign states and nationals
So it's illigal to talk to other nations and states now? You better just call up the Caldari Police right now to drag you away in chains because you've been posting on international channels! Run for your life! Oh wait, you cant, that'll just add to the list of charges. Stand still for your life!
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Compromising corporate security
So making the security look incompetent (Which it is) is also a crime? Your insurance agents must have a tough time investigating claims.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Compromising Caldari State national security
See above
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
- Conspiracy against the Caldari State
Another conspericy with one person.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is an enemy of the Caldari State. He has stolen Ishukone corporate property for selfish purposes...
I hardly call giving away the vitoc cure to those that need it a selfish purpose, but hey, we read from a different dictionary I guess.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
He has continued to conspire against the Caldari State despite efforts to negotiate. He has forfeited his rights as a Caldari citizen.
With the list of obviously trumped up charges against him, I'm sure he won't lose any sleep over it.
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
He has forfeited his family's rights as Caldari citizens. He is attempting to destabilize Caldari and intergalactic stability. He has conspired against the Caldari State. He is a threat to all Caldari citizens. His family is a threat to all Caldari citizens. He is your enemy.
How is his family a threat? Infact how is the doctor himself a threat again? Oh noes! 1% of Ishkones profits will be lost! Heaven forbid!
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
Dr. Ullia Hnolku is your enemy.
We covered this already!
Originally by: Klaus Fleischer
It is your duty as Caldari citizens to report any sighting of Dr. Ullia Hnolku, Eckarine Hnolku, and members of Dr. Ullia Hnolku's family to the proper Caldari State authorities or the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve (CAIN) for arrest, processing, and interrogation. To sa***uard Caldari State security, any past or present associates of Dr. Ullia Hnolku must report to proper Caldari State authorities or CAIN for questioning.
Oh good, and remember, if you don't report then you're resisting interrogation! And if you don't report for the crime of resisting interrogation then you're committing a crime for trying to avoid the thought police.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:06:00 -
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Pulgor, I DO believe you are a thief yourself! As such, your mindless dribble is hardly worth seriously considering as unbiased commentary. Or commentary at all, for that matter. 'Pointless rhetoric' is a far more suitable description.
As a dutiful and proud Caldari citizen, I offer good luck and my aid to CAIN in capturing the enemy of the State, non-citizen Hnolku. Looks like it's the liquidation tank for him after all...
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 21/05/2005 02:31:44
Originally by: Pulgor
Bunch of stuff
Wow, the Minmatar Republic has really low standards for their Bar.
Please take your sophist jurisprudence elsewhere.
Anyways - Any information other than an APB would be really helpful. Where was this guy last seen?
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Pulgor, I DO believe you are a thief yourself! As such, your mindless dribble is hardly worth seriously considering as unbiased commentary. Or commentary at all, for that matter. 'Pointless rhetoric' is a far more suitable description.
No, there are several very valid points in there. And really a "thief helping a thief" argument dosn't make any sense either.
Where is the states education funding going? Probably to some commission appointed to hand down obtuse laws that make no sense.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pulgor
Where is the states education funding going? Probably to some commission appointed to hand down obtuse laws that make no sense.
How dare you come in here and start preaching like you know the first thing about the law, declaring the Caldari State's laws to be "obtuse statutes that make no sense", and yet completely forget that as a sovereign authority, it is theirs to make?
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Shaderow
How dare you come in here and start preaching like you know the first thing about the law, declaring the Caldari State's laws to be "obtuse statutes that make no sense", and yet completely forget that as a sovereign authority, it is theirs to make?
Oh I do dare, good sir.
It's kind of what I do as a free spacer, open people's eyes to the fact that these laws are very odd and lack any sense. I really don't care about the Caldari Government's precieved right to make up nonsense and then call it a law. Therefore I'll gladly "Start preaching like I know the first thing about the law" and if you disagree then I'll get Wetwork to come in here and educate everyone on the law.
However you don't want that, the last lecture Wetwork attended started off with good intentions but ended at him literally throwing the book at a student for questioning his "Legal authority." Then he sued the student for his forehead damaging the book.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 21/05/2005 02:48:00
Ugh, I sure hope some insomniac sysadmin isolates whatever pirate signal you're using to troll this bulletin and rewrites every post you make to display a well-known but rarely seen human orifice.
There's no reasoning with you, unfortunately. You're like some annoying college student who just read Nieschtze and suddenly thinks he can go out to reality and declare that it's all fake, and existence is simply a lie. Then the person is smug in their belief because nobody argues it with them.
Newsflash Moron: We don't bother with you because we have better things to do than engage a sophist at his own game of bull****ting. So quit wasting our time, and get back to picking your nose while slapping your potbelly or whatever it is you *******s do for a good time.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Ugh, I sure hope some insomniac sysadmin isolates whatever pirate signal you're using to troll this bulletin and rewrites every post you make to display a well-known but rarely seen human orifice.
Trolling!? Actually I just provided an objective commentary and then defended my commentary based upon your accusations. I, and many others would hardly call that trolling.
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
There's no reasoning with you, unfortunately. You're like some annoying college student who just read Nieschtze and suddenly thinks he can go out to reality and declare that it's all fake, and existence is simply a lie. Then the person is smug in their belief because nobody argues it with them.
No, I'm "Smug" in my belief because most people aren't capable of arguing it and resort to petty insults instead. Therefore I treat that as proof positive that I am correct.
As for being some college student? I think not good sir. I have been surviving the space lanes for over a year. Therefore I believe myself to be more then capable of providing such a commentary on politics.
Remember what i said about petty insults? I shall give the people Exibit A:
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Newsflash Moron: We don't bother with you because we have better things to do than engage a sophist at his own game of bull****ting. So quit wasting our time, and get back to picking your nose while slapping your potbelly or whatever it is you *******s do for a good time.
Thank you for proving my point.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 21/05/2005 03:11:56
Originally by: Pulgor
As for being some college student? I think not good sir. I have been surviving the space lanes for over a year. Therefore I believe myself to be more then capable of providing such a commentary on politics.
This is the most hilarious thing I've read all night. I think I'll quote it for posterity.
Myself? I ran a donut shop for three years. This not only makes me more informed than your average newsfeed pundit, but also capable of doing brain surgery!
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DCP Soundwave
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: DCP Soundwave on 21/05/2005 03:22:09
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Gorion Wassenar
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:24:00 -
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These charges are no laughing matter to be bickered about. This man has fled the various Caldari law enforcement arms and resisted atempts to apprehend him and his associates because he has stolen something on the level of distablizing the status of the Caldar State relations with other empires. This "miracle" drug has far more use and effects than just ending the dependancy of Vitoc that are quite dangerious in the wrong hands. For these reasons alone he needs to be apprehended.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Shaderow
This is the most hilarious thing I've read all night. I think I'll quote it for posterity.
Myself? I ran a donut shop for three years. This not only makes me more informed than your average newsfeed pundit, but also capable of doing brain surgery!
Good for you.
However going back to commentaries on politics. Unlike brain sergery politics isn't an exact science. You don't need a fancy degree to be a politican. Maybe that's the problem? I don't know but I say any average joe is well informed enough to comment on politics simply because these policies affect HIM. If you don't believe you should be allowed to question your governments decisions, then I bid you welcome to your new profession: Intergalactic chess piece. Have fun.
What I ment with my comment is that I have seen all the different governments and I know how their policies affect their people. I also know the structure of the alliances well and how they govern their respective "Soverignties." Now if you wish to vandalize your own right to make an opinion with throwaway analogies then that's your perogitive. I can't wait until your "Benevolent and wiser then thou government" does something you don't approve of. I'll be sure to stop on by and laugh a while.
Have fun towing the company line, Kade.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:35:00 -
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Ok, Pulgor, I'll take you and this 'Wetworks' up on your offer. As a practising lawyer I am suing you under the following articles:
As a fully CONCORD sanctioned division of the Caldari State Navy, the Caldari Independant Navy Reserve (hereafter refered to as CAIN) resides under Caldari State Navy jurisdiction and laws (Laws and Practices of Caldari Military and Paramilitary Organisations: Edition 54). Slander has been propogated by one 'Pulgor' against CAIN, and therefore the Caldari State Navy itself, aimed with the intent of degenerating public relations with CAIN and affiliated groups. Slander is by Caldari State law an offence punishable with fining (an amount decreed equal to the damages done to the offender party) and/or imprisonment with a maximum term of 274 years.
Now, seeing as you'd need to turn up at court to defend yourself, Pulgor, nevermind to sue anyone else, I highly doubt your pithy little threat is likely to come to fruitition, what with you ALREADY being wanted for a number of crimes that are publicly available on your bio (foremost of which is theft of property from one 'Ammatar Arms' equaling an undisclosed amount).
So shut up and go away.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Ok, Pulgor, I'll take you and this 'Wetworks' up on your offer. As a practising lawyer I am suing you under the following articles:
As a fully CONCORD sanctioned division of the Caldari State Navy, the Caldari Independant Navy Reserve (hereafter refered to as CAIN) resides under Caldari State Navy jurisdiction and laws (Laws and Practices of Caldari Military and Paramilitary Organisations: Edition 54). Slander has been propogated by one 'Pulgor' against CAIN, and therefore the Caldari State Navy itself, aimed with the intent of degenerating public relations with CAIN and affiliated groups. Slander is by Caldari State law an offence punishable with fining (an amount decreed equal to the damages done to the offender party) and/or imprisonment with a maximum term of 274 years.
Pulgor breaks out in roaring laughter
Slander against CAIN? Hardly. Also if you wish to sue me on that then I will gladly sue you on behalf of the Amarr Empire's CVA organization. I'm sure they'd be more then willing to take up the case against you for all the times you state your opinions reguarding their organization.
Don't be a fool Nero, there's nothing slanderous here and if you have a problem with free speech then you best go write your Caldari Government to issue all Caldari ships a way to block off any external transmissions... oh wait, that would be bad for business. I guess you'll have to step out of microchosm land and into the real world then, where not everyone is a puppet in your regime of incompetence.
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Now, seeing as you'd need to turn up at court to defend yourself, Pulgor, nevermind to sue anyone else, I highly doubt your pithy little threat is likely to come to fruitition, what with you ALREADY being wanted for a number of crimes that are publicly available on your bio (foremost of which is theft of property from one 'Ammatar Arms' equaling an undisclosed amount).
I can't help what Ammatar Arms puts in that file. I think they put in there that I was ugly too, really a matter of opinion if you ask me. One mans criminal is another's freedom fighter after all. As for my "Threat" I was being facetious incase you couldn't tell. However if you really wish to meet Wetwork in the grounds of legal battle, then I'm sure we could setup a tribunal for you.
Originally by: Nero Scuro
So shut up and go away.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.21 03:53:00 -
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I told Dr. Hnolku I'd be at his side when the time came to evacuate him, and I stand by that. Anyone who so much as tries to fire a shot at him will swiftly be cut down in the name of freedom of thought and action.
The good doctor is a man who saw the duality and underhandedness in corporate practice and decided to risk his own life serving the greater good. For this reason I'm bound to him; I'm immensely proud of him and want to see his goal fulfilled.
I don't swear blood oaths like the overdramatic Matari, but I do go by my word. I'm going to protect him. Whether it's from the Caldari Navy, the Blood Raiders, Amarr paramilitary or even you, my naive little goose-stepping brothers -- I stand between him, and whatever comes to claim him and prevent his dreams from realization.
As for my fellow Caldari, I urge you to put aside your blind patriotism and do the same; cast off your yokes and open your eyes. You're men with free minds, not cogs in some machine! Act like it! Act like the Caldari who stepped forth a hundred years ago and forged a nation out of the barren wastes to escape tyranny, not kneel before it!
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pulgor
Blah blah blah
*grins*
Yes, I somehow thought you'd back down when somebody met your poor attempt at legal pressuring in kind.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Seto Mazzarotto
I told Dr. Hnolku I'd be at his side when the time came to evacuate him, and I stand by that. Anyone who so much as tries to fire a shot at him will swiftly be cut down in the name of freedom of thought and action.
The good doctor is a man who saw the duality and underhandedness in corporate practice and decided to risk his own life serving the greater good. For this reason I'm bound to him; I'm immensely proud of him and want to see his goal fulfilled.
I don't swear blood oaths like the overdramatic Matari, but I do go by my word. I'm going to protect him. Whether it's from the Caldari Navy, the Blood Raiders, Amarr paramilitary or even you, my naive little goose-stepping brothers -- I stand between him, and whatever comes to claim him and prevent his dreams from realization.
As for my fellow Caldari, I urge you to put aside your blind patriotism and do the same; cast off your yokes and open your eyes. You're men with free minds, not cogs in some machine! Act like it! Act like the Caldari who stepped forth a hundred years ago and forged a nation out of the barren wastes to escape tyranny, not kneel before it!
And in THIS cage, you'll find 'citizen' Seto Motzerella! Be careful, he bites. Don't worry, he doesn't have any teeth, but he likes to think he does and we don't want to hurt his ego, now, do we? Everyone try not to laugh when he says he will protect non-citizen Hnolku from us, he REALLY does think we take that seriously!
No, don't try and feed him, little Billy. He only eats trash, preferably served by his Masters, the degenerate Star Fraction. He'll get sick if you feed him any truth.
Moving onto the next cage, we find exibit Pulgor! Oh, wait, he seems to flinging his excrement about again. Moving swiftly on...
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:17:00 -
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Edited by: Pulgor on 21/05/2005 04:17:45
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Pulgor
Blah blah blah
*grins*
Yes, I somehow thought you'd back down when somebody met your poor attempt at legal pressuring in kind.
Tries to decern what Nero's talking about
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:19:00 -
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Kade, this is what trolling is. Notate it well, because it seems your bretheren have it down to an artform.
Originally by: Nero Scuro
And in THIS cage, you'll find 'citizen' Seto Motzerella! Be careful, he bites. Don't worry, he doesn't have any teeth, but he likes to think he does and we don't want to hurt his ego, now, do we? Everyone try not to laugh when he says he will protect non-citizen Hnolku from us, he REALLY does think we take that seriously!
No, don't try and feed him, little Billy. He only eats trash, preferably served by his Masters, the degenerate Star Fraction. He'll get sick if you feed him any truth.
Moving onto the next cage, we find exibit Pulgor! Oh, wait, he seems to flinging his excrement about again. Moving swiftly on...
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
Vapor rises from the infinite void
Still fuming over the times you had to retreat back into self-deceit to keep your little world from fracturing under the weight of truth, I see.
Glad to see I still got it. When you come round the others will follow swiftly enough.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Seto Mazzarotto
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Vapor rises from the infinite void
Still fuming over the times you had to retreat back into self-deceit to keep your little world from fracturing under the weight of truth, I see.
Glad to see I still got it. When you come round the others will follow swiftly enough.
The day I 'come around' to the rotting sewage you so laughably call an opinion is the day the Caldari State National Bank freezes over.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
The day I 'come around' to the rotting sewage you so laughably call an opinion is the day the Caldari State National Bank freezes over.
I suggest learning to form your own opinions before you become an authority on others. I know State War's psychological training tends to rob you of that ability, but that's nothing a vacation in the Pleasure Hubs and a few stiff drinks can't fix.
Try it, or are you afraid you might like it?
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:41:00 -
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Quote:
Act like the Caldari who stepped forth a hundred years ago and forged a nation out of the barren wastes
You claim to act like the Caldari that forged the state, yet you turn your back on it. I only hope the state turns its back on you, like any Caldari citizen in his right mind will.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.21 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
You claim to act like the Caldari that forged the state, yet you turn your back on it. I only hope the state turns its back on you, like any Caldari citizen in his right mind will.
Of course I turned my back on the State. It's a parody of what it was, more obsessed with bottom lines and absolute control than actually working for the benefit of Caldari.
The sad part is most Caldari don't even realize this. They just carry on, blinded by the propaganda, secure in the knowledge that the Big Eight will never cut and run if they don't find them useful anymore. When the megacorps start giving a damn about Caldari again, I'll start giving a damn about the State.
Dr. Hnolku knows what I talk about. The steps he's taken are those of a brave man willing to seize destiny. It's a better choice than the path of the "proud" who are willingly yoked, blindly carrying burdens of the faceless monoliths who care nothing about the welfare of the very people under their control. Outside fiscal viability and whatever rules from the Caldari Business Tribunal they can't bend, of course.
The difference between a corporate lapdog and a slave? A slave knows he's being oppressed.
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Brute Helmet
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Posted - 2005.05.21 07:16:00 -
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Isnt it interesting how an extremist grouping like CAIN are the ones with their panties in a real twist over the Hnolku affair ? There is a rumour going around that CAIN had their entire pension fund invested in Zainou stock and are very eager to apprehend Hnolku for that reason.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.05.21 08:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 21/05/2005 08:17:57
Ishukone had it coming.
Complete disregard to good business and customs of the Caldari have made me totally insensitive to what they do.
Im honestly surprised that Lai Dai hasnt rubbed it in thier faces yet.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.05.21 08:48:00 -
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My brothers have already said it, but we will defend Ullia and his wife. If you want him, you will have to come through us.
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Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.21 09:26:00 -
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By order of the State, if I come across this individual I will apprehend him down in the name of the glorious State and the Corporations.
Any Caldari considering helping this individual should be consider a traitor and is guilty of High Treason against the State, therefore should be treated as a criminal.
For the State and Tovil-Toba's supreme sacrifice, Ullia Hnolku will be brought to justice.
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Brute Helmet
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Posted - 2005.05.21 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xav Vorbarra
By order of the State, if I come across this individual I will apprehend him down in the name of the glorious State and the Corporations.
Any Caldari considering helping this individual should be consider a traitor and is guilty of High Treason against the State, therefore should be treated as a criminal.
For the State and Tovil-Toba's supreme sacrifice, Ullia Hnolku will be brought to justice.
Well, the best thing for all would of course be if the research data was made available to all via GalNet. Im sure a willing node operator could be found....
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Posted - 2005.05.21 16:52:00 -
[35]
Aiding criminals, thieves. I'm fairly disgusted at this display.
If he runs into me, or a member of Omerta Syndicate, the retrieval will be either his cargo or his corpse.
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Paladine Tor
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Posted - 2005.05.21 18:26:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Pulgor
Another conspericy with one person.
That is the worst kind! 
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Posted - 2005.05.21 19:50:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Pulgor
Kade, this is what trolling is. Notate it well, because it seems your bretheren have it down to an artform.
I told you - Stop Calling Me. I'm not interested in a date with you.
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Van Cleef
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Posted - 2005.05.21 23:03:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Brute Helmet
Isnt it interesting how an extremist grouping like CAIN ....
What extreme do we represent?
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Posted - 2005.05.21 23:30:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Van Cleef
Originally by: Brute Helmet
Isnt it interesting how an extremist grouping like CAIN ....
What extreme do we represent?
The extreme of private profit versus public good. In other words, greed.
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Shiner BockBeer
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Posted - 2005.05.21 23:40:00 -
[40]
How am I supposed to recognize him with that big banner across his face?
I mean, he could be drinking at the bar next to me and I wouldn't even know.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.21 23:44:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 21/05/2005 23:44:21
Originally by: Tar Kovsky
What extreme do we represent?
The extreme of private profit versus public good. In other words, greed.
Greed is what created the Minmatar Republic. The greed for property, in the case of your people, the property of their own bodies. On the other side of this coin was the prosperity (public good) that slavery brought to the Amarran Imperium. The Caldari State and the Republic are not so much different, and that's not as much a bad thing as you'd expect.
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Posted - 2005.05.22 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Snyper Kitten on 22/05/2005 02:46:12
At this time I do not see any official charges merely speculation.
The right hand doesnt even know what the left hand is doing
point 1:
Special Counsel Tar Maurisi, head of the Bureau's investigation, has swiftly moved to deny the claims, stating that they are "sensationalistic propaganda spread by opportunistic parties interested in seeing Amarr-Caldari relations soured.
At any rate officially CAIN has no jurisdiction.
on moral grounds i stand with my alliance brothers in defending the Good Dr. and keeping he and his wife protected from the mindless lapdogs that would cut him down on the whim of their souless masters.
as it was pointed out above this is all just heresay and sensational propoganda therefore any acts of aggression and or forcebly detaining the good Dr. and or his wife are illeagle activities. and will be dealt with using whatever force is necissary
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Posted - 2005.05.22 03:32:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Originally by: Pulgor
Kade, this is what trolling is. Notate it well, because it seems your bretheren have it down to an artform.
I told you - Stop Calling Me. I'm not interested in a date with you.
Liar.
However I'm going to decline your invitation for now due to the fact that you're not my type.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.22 03:52:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Pulgor
Liar.
However I'm going to decline your invitation for now due to the fact that you're not my type.
You say that, and yet you seem to like talking about me even when I'm not around.
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Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.22 04:00:00 -
[45]
The Matari are far from innocent. Your version of "good" is only a point of view, an opinion. Unfortunatly, despite what you believe, what is good for the Republic may not be good for the rest of the galaxy.
If it isn't already painfully obvieous you are not all innocent. You have this pre-concepted idea that you are "the good guys" fighting for the galaxy. You don't care about how this could affect billions upon trillions of people's lives.
You're so obsessed with your little revoltionary ideas that you think not about what's best for the galaxy, only your own people. Don't get me wrong, I'm as guilty as sin for many things but I don't play around with things that could change the very fragile balance of power right now. I would not like a war at this time, regardless of how profitable it could be. You would believe a wanted criminal, a traitor and defy the State over a rumour?
By the way, if you get this stuff and release it and it actually is dangerous to human health, e.g. causes a galactic plague of some sorts. I will personally round up a band and slay every Matar I come across.
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Posted - 2005.05.22 04:37:00 -
[46]
Pulgor, upon reading an official remark from a Caldari Navy representative about this situation, I have to apologize for being hostile to you. This entire debacle is complete and utter insanity.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.05.22 05:04:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Xav Vorbarra
...
By the way, if you get this stuff and release it and it actually is dangerous to human health, e.g. causes a galactic plague of some sorts. I will personally round up a band and slay every Matar I come across.
Your (threat/rant/scheming/slaving) is being held in a queue. Our operatives are experiencing an unusually high demand on their ammunition at the moment, but rest assured, your loot and smoking wreckage are important to us, and we will deal with your (threat/rant/scheming/slaving) as soon as possible.
The Ushra'Khan thanks you for your patience at this busy time, and apologises for the delay in activating your clone contract, and any distress this may cause.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.22 05:23:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Yuki Li
Aiding criminals, thieves. I'm fairly disgusted at this display.
If he runs into me, or a member of Omerta Syndicate, the retrieval will be either his cargo or his corpse.
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
on moral grounds i stand with my alliance brothers in defending the Good Dr. and keeping he and his wife protected from the mindless lapdogs that would cut him down on the whim of their souless masters.
What was that, Snyper Kitten? Something about the right hand not knowing what the left was doing?
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Posted - 2005.05.22 06:26:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Xav Vorbarra on 22/05/2005 06:26:17
Feel free to make comments like that when you've actually gotten near me Makkar
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Posted - 2005.05.22 07:34:00 -
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It would be nice if we had the communications tools to properly screen improperly credentialed pilots from participating in announcements pertaining to state or corporate affairs.
There is no other way to get the debating-types and their inane opinions on their abstract liberalist ethics devolved from the individual ownership of property and conceptions of people as their own "property" out the picture when it comes to discussing important practical matters of state. They seem to have no conception of urgency or practicality. One can hardly fail to expect that from Gallentean citizens nor owning-class minmatars in that region in which the GalFed is increasingly monopolizing their political and economic dominance.
As such, it would be utile if censorship could occur on the basis of faction standing in order to maintain collective unity and muzzle the dominant, disturbed, minarchist element where they will only seek to be rhetorically obstructive and philosophically obscure.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.05.22 08:23:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Yuki Li
Aiding criminals, thieves. I'm fairly disgusted at this display.
If he runs into me, or a member of Omerta Syndicate, the retrieval will be either his cargo or his corpse.
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
on moral grounds i stand with my alliance brothers in defending the Good Dr. and keeping he and his wife protected from the mindless lapdogs that would cut him down on the whim of their souless masters.
What was that, Snyper Kitten? Something about the right hand not knowing what the left was doing?
Its how we operate. Live with it.
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.05.22 08:54:00 -
[52]
Syntomo, I agree it would be very useful if all dissenting voices could be filtered out when State propaganda is being published, however if that is your wish, I suggest the original poster restrict his posting to some marginal Caldari propaganda forum, and away from the main, open for all, CONCORD controlled GalNet.
Then you can merrily spew away in your own happy little bubble, free of niggling little annoyances like facts, and the opinions of sane, free thinking individuals.
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Posted - 2005.05.22 08:57:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Brute Helmet
Isnt it interesting how an extremist grouping like CAIN are the ones with their panties in a real twist over the Hnolku affair ? There is a rumour going around that CAIN had their entire pension fund invested in Zainou stock and are very eager to apprehend Hnolku for that reason.
((OOC - amusing post))
As CO of CAIN I can safetly refute any rumour that CAIN has lost financially through any investment in Zainou stock.
Our motivation in this affair is to see a Caldari citizen face justice for his criminal acts and to ensure a Caldari research product does not end up in the wrong hands. This is hardly the stance of "extremists."
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Posted - 2005.05.22 09:51:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
Edited by: Snyper Kitten on 22/05/2005 02:46:12
At any rate officially CAIN has no jurisdiction.
on moral grounds i stand with my alliance brothers in defending the Good Dr. and keeping he and his wife protected from the mindless lapdogs that would cut him down on the whim of their souless masters.
... any acts of aggression and or forcebly detaining the good Dr. and or his wife are illeagle activities. and will be dealt with using whatever force is necissary
The jurisdiction rests with the original crime being committed against the Caldari State, I question where you derive your jurisdiction that you are assisting a fugitive.
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Posted - 2005.05.22 09:52:00 -
[55]
Yea know i did some background research on former employees of Zainou and Ishukone. And one very prominate figure stands out. Tyma Raita. Turns out he did the exact same thing because his ideas and research were being stolen from him.
Many of us who have half a brain to rub against know who this guy is, and you didnt see the State start going nuts over him. No, he became famous.
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Vendris
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Posted - 2005.05.22 10:14:00 -
[56]
CAIN are indeed right.
The doctor was working for Ishukone at the time of the breakthrough, conducting research funded by Ishukone money. The discovery is the intellectual property of Ishukone, and as such the doctor's actions constitute Grand Theft; Data. Any that aid him are therefore accomplices to this crime, and are equally culpable to Ishukone and it's law enforcement subsiduries. Where the accomplices turn out to be foreign nationals, Ishukone would need to apply to CONCORD to involve foreign law enforcement personnel and start extradition proceedings in the event of their capture by said foreign law enforcement personnel. Involvement of external freelance apprehension contractors, (to whit; Bounty Hunters), would be at the sole discretion of Ishukone, though, and I feel it would be unwise for interested but unaffiliated parties to intervene in the case without a... Hmmm... I believe the ancient nautical term was a "Letter of Marque", to engage and apprehend said foreign accomplices.
Note my use of "Ishukone" and not "Caldari State" in the above statement, though. It is an internal Ishukone matter, and not a State matter. I'm sure Ishukone would be just as aggrieved were their discovery to fall into the hands of potential Caldari competetors acting falsely on behalf of the State, as they would if it were to fall into the hands of the Gallente or Minmatar, or, indeed, Amarr. I'm not saying the "State" (by which I mean the council of the most powerful megacorps) is not just as anxious to recover the serum as Ishukone are, but let's not pretend it's on grounds of any sense of "national solidarity".
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Posted - 2005.05.22 12:07:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Kade Shaderow
Greed is what created the Minmatar Republic. The greed for property, in the case of your people, the property of their own bodies. On the other side of this coin was the prosperity (public good) that slavery brought to the Amarran Imperium.
If you don't have the ability to distinguish between basic human needs -- food, shelter, safety, freedom -- and a few more ISK in the pocket of a large megacorporation, then you and I have no common basis for communication.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.22 16:58:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Ly'sol
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Yuki Li
Aiding criminals, thieves. I'm fairly disgusted at this display.
If he runs into me, or a member of Omerta Syndicate, the retrieval will be either his cargo or his corpse.
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
on moral grounds i stand with my alliance brothers in defending the Good Dr. and keeping he and his wife protected from the mindless lapdogs that would cut him down on the whim of their souless masters.
What was that, Snyper Kitten? Something about the right hand not knowing what the left was doing?
Its how we operate. Live with it.
You operate by contradicting yourselves? Explains a lot.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.05.22 18:51:00 -
[59]
Tell me what organization doesnt nero?
Most have a voice for the many.
We have a voice of the many.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.22 19:14:00 -
[60]
What? That didn't even make SENSE! You're just being vague in the blind hope that someone will mistake it for wisdom. It isn't working.
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Kade Shaderow
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Posted - 2005.05.22 19:21:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 22/05/2005 19:21:35
Originally by: Tar Kovsky
If you don't have the ability to distinguish between basic human needs -- food, shelter, safety, freedom -- and a few more ISK in the pocket of a large megacorporation, then you and I have no common basis for communication.
Freedom is derived from property. If you don't respect the rights of a megacorporation's rights to legitimate property (note the word "legitimate", this is in no way a support of Caldari corporations involvement in the slave trade), then you are yourself denying any claim you have to the subject as well. Try not to shoot yourself in the foot here, Minmatar.
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Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.22 20:31:00 -
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I guess with every society there are traitors who will turn they backs on their homes. You don't seem to realise that what the State does for you is for your benefit. I'm not in the Navy, far from it, I run around the Bleak Lands but I keep a little patriotism for my homeland. A lot of Caldari here want to free this man, this godamned traitor. It's embarrasing and sickening.
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Snyper Kitten
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Posted - 2005.05.22 23:40:00 -
[63]
we operate as a FREE society in SF. We can disagree on different things becouse ...heres the kicker.....we are free to do so.
I know its probably a dificult idea for the corp. yesmen to grasp but do try to understand it or at least accept that its the way we operate
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Posted - 2005.05.23 00:27:00 -
[64]
Those who are swearing oathes or giving their 'word' to protect the doctor and his wife appear to have already failed in one regard as his lovely wife apparently is in the hands of a notorious blood cult.
The good doctor seems to have kept himself well hidden....for the time being.
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Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.23 04:06:00 -
[65]
Snyper, you can operate on your free will. I know it's hard for anarchists and those constantly trying to "rebel against society" and "not conform to those pigs" but the State really isn't against you.
Maybe you think so, but I'm sure if it really was that bad people would be fleeing the State in droves and you wouldn't have groups like CAIN operating.
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Posted - 2005.05.23 14:21:00 -
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After the Doctor turns himself in to the Blood Raiders do you think you guys could maybe do up a few wanted posters for us sometime? I love the format.
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Posted - 2005.05.24 03:37:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Xav Vorbarra
Snyper, you can operate on your free will. I know it's hard for anarchists and those constantly trying to "rebel against society" and "not conform to those pigs" but the State really isn't against you.
Maybe you think so, but I'm sure if it really was that bad people would be fleeing the State in droves and you wouldn't have groups like CAIN operating.
I know the states not "against me" I have yet to see an "official" statemnt stating that the Dr. is even wanted. Last I heard they were claiming this was all some snafu and a publicity stunt
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Posted - 2005.05.24 09:19:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Ly''sol on 24/05/2005 09:21:21
Nero,
Yea know I love yea buddy. And what i said makes perfect sense.
Xav,
We are far from being anarchist, so go and drink another glass of hamster blood. We know we come from, many people in our ranks still have pride in that. But we dont allow it to define us. Ullia is not a traitor. He mearly quit his job and has become and enterpenuer.
Where Omerta Syndicate have loyalties to Ishukone....Mine are towards Lai Dai to a certain extent. So as a side bonus from helping the man. I get to break windows with Ishukone.
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Mordax Ibrium
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Posted - 2005.05.24 15:08:00 -
[69]
lol, words.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.05.24 15:46:00 -
[70]
If people felt so heavily against slavery and are now willing to fight for a product which may very well mean freedom for so many... where were you for all these years, our people have never stopped needing liberation.
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:43:00 -
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Poor Ullia.. all'e wanted'as'a do somethin' good, an'now every'on's givin' him crap...
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Posted - 2005.05.24 20:06:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Xav Vorbarra on 24/05/2005 20:09:34
If he's not a traitor, why does he not return to the State when it beckons him? He's willingly defied Corporate orders and therefore the State. And, Ly'sol the word "anarchist" has always been associated with the Star Fraction. This does not mean I want another 5 full post report on "post-humanism" that supposedly justifies what you do.
That's interesting, the Omerta Syndicate wants this man hunted down. Good to see some Caldari havn't lost their spines.
Don't compliment yourself, you say you have dealings with Lai Dai but want this man to go free? He's a wanted man by the State, where do your loyalties lie?
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Posted - 2005.05.24 20:13:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Xav Vorbarra
If he's not a traitor, why does he not return to the State when it beckons him? And, Ly'sol the word "anarchist" has always been associated with the Star Fraction. This does not mean I want another 5 full post report on "post-humanism" that supposedly justifies what you do.
The reason he dont wanna return to the state that "beckones" him is all the *****pots that are "illeagly" engaged with trying to shoot him.
The caldari state is doing nadda but some misinformed trigger happy fanatics whould like nothing better than to see him DED!
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Posted - 2005.05.24 21:56:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
The reason he dont wanna return to the state that "beckones" him is all the *****pots that are "illeagly" engaged with trying to shoot him.
The caldari state is doing nadda but some misinformed trigger happy fanatics whould like nothing better than to see him DED!
We prefer him alive and kicking, my eloquent friend, but will accept dead and buried, for the sake of national security.
The amount of breathing he will do in the future depends on his response.
Thus far, he's running out of breath.
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Posted - 2005.05.24 21:59:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
Originally by: Xav Vorbarra
If he's not a traitor, why does he not return to the State when it beckons him? And, Ly'sol the word "anarchist" has always been associated with the Star Fraction. This does not mean I want another 5 full post report on "post-humanism" that supposedly justifies what you do.
The reason he dont wanna return to the state that "beckones" him is all the *****pots that are "illeagly" engaged with trying to shoot him.
The caldari state is doing nadda but some misinformed trigger happy fanatics whould like nothing better than to see him DED!
I think you'll find that if you try to shoot non-citizen Hnolku, CONCORD will not intervene. So much for 'illegally' hunting him down...
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Posted - 2005.05.26 03:38:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Snyper Kitten
Originally by: Xav Vorbarra
If he's not a traitor, why does he not return to the State when it beckons him? And, Ly'sol the word "anarchist" has always been associated with the Star Fraction. This does not mean I want another 5 full post report on "post-humanism" that supposedly justifies what you do.
The reason he dont wanna return to the state that "beckones" him is all the *****pots that are "illeagly" engaged with trying to shoot him.
The caldari state is doing nadda but some misinformed trigger happy fanatics whould like nothing better than to see him DED!
I think you'll find that if you try to shoot non-citizen Hnolku, CONCORD will not intervene. So much for 'illegally' hunting him down...
Without "official" sanctions I cant see why concord would alow that. Until a "official" statement from the CEP is forthcomming regarding this matter I'm sure that the Dr. will be a mere passanger on a fully equiped combat vessel...to protect him in the event of any, misunderstandings.
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