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The Protato Protus Correction Facility Inc. 111	Posted - 2012.12.15 23:33:00 - [1] - Quote So a few minutes ago in Aunia, somebody in local asks for help killing a thief. Naturally, bored as I was, I turned up in my crusader to see a suspect Ishkur sitting there. So I proceed to start the pewpew action and kill his drones. Content with killmails as I was, I decided to hold him there and ask him in local to return the loot and apologise to the carebear running the mission for :citizenjustice:. No answer from him, so I start shooting him. The Crusader has negligible DPS but eventually he gets to 20% armour. Suddenly, I see his shield start boosting and wonder what kind of gimpy non-fit I had stumbled across. Then, looking at my overview, I see a scimitar shield transferring him and an orca landing on us. Here's the interesting bit: the ishkur disappears from my overview and a hurricane appears instead. Naturally I do what any glasstank pilot would do and cheese it. Wasn't this supposed to be fixed? The suspect RR is fine, but the orca landing ongrid and allowing him to change ships really broils my beef. Or something alliterated.
Angsty Teenager Broski North Black Legion. 92	Posted - 2012.12.15 23:34:00 - [2] - Quote The fix was to disallow it while aggressed (the 1 minute timer you get when you shoot or w/e). My guess is that he simply deaggressed and waited 1 minute and then stored his ship. Hard to say for sure.
The Protato Protus Correction Facility Inc. 111	Posted - 2012.12.15 23:35:00 - [3] - Quote Angsty Teenager wrote: The fix was to disallow it while aggressed (the 1 minute timer you get when you shoot or w/e). My guess is that he simply deaggressed and waited 1 minute and then stored his ship. Hard to say for sure. That makes sense. I can't remember him shooting at me, but none of his shots previously had landed so idk.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 74	Posted - 2012.12.15 23:50:00 - [4] - Quote The Protato wrote: Angsty Teenager wrote: The fix was to disallow it while aggressed (the 1 minute timer you get when you shoot or w/e). My guess is that he simply deaggressed and waited 1 minute and then stored his ship. Hard to say for sure. That makes sense. I can't remember him shooting at me, but none of his shots previously had landed so idk. This is probably what happened. Note the effects of the Weapons flag, which go away after 60 seconds. Basically, he either didn't fire back in the first place, or stopped firing for a minute, after which he was allowed to swap out for his Hurricane. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Dave stark 811	Posted - 2012.12.15 23:56:00 - [5] - Quote i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress. next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
The Protato Protus Correction Facility Inc. 111	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:03:00 - [6] - Quote Dave stark wrote: i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress. next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod. So much for :citizenjustice: and my honourtank.

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 74	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:11:00 - [7] - Quote The Protato wrote: So much for :citizenjustice: and my honourtank. I don't think the Crusader has adequate low slots for enough expanded cargohold modules to be able to properly honourtank. Sorry. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

baltec1 Bat Country 3312	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:18:00 - [8] - Quote Hmm, I thought that you were unable to swap ships with an orca if another player was shooting you...

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 74	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:20:00 - [9] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Hmm, I thought that you were unable to swap ships with an orca if another player was shooting you... Nope. Check the flag consequences again. The only one that gets applied when you're shot is the PVP tag, which only prevents you from disappearing due to log-off for 15 minutes. Docking/ship depositing/jumping restrictions are tied to the weapons flag. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Pyre leFay The Scope Gallente Federation 128	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:23:00 - [10] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Hmm, I thought that you were unable to swap ships with an orca if another player was shooting you... Only stopped by the weapon timer and the weapon timer is for yourself and not influenced by others. the pvp/LE flag is recycled by others.
Evei Shard 135	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:24:00 - [11] - Quote Dave stark wrote: i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress. next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod. This. Buying time for friends to show up is part of the game, and almost cost you your ship. Profit favors the prepared
baltec1 Bat Country 3312	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:27:00 - [12] - Quote Well this should prove an interesting tool to use
Dave stark 812	Posted - 2012.12.16 00:36:00 - [13] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Well this should prove an interesting tool to use i sense many lulz and tears in the future. i look forward to it. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 243	Posted - 2012.12.16 02:49:00 - [14] - Quote New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well. EvE Forum Bingo
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1416	Posted - 2012.12.16 03:16:00 - [15] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well. I like this idea. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Remiel Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 447	Posted - 2012.12.16 03:19:00 - [16] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well. I'm surprised this isn't already the case. Especially considering how logi assistance renders the same S-flag when they assist a C/S-flagged pilot. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1416	Posted - 2012.12.16 03:23:00 - [17] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well. I'm surprised this isn't already the case. Especially considering how logi assistance renders the same S-flag when they assist a C/S-flagged pilot. It would be a great way to get easy Orca kills. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Remiel Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 447	Posted - 2012.12.16 03:24:00 - [18] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Katran Luftschreck wrote: New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well. I'm surprised this isn't already the case. Especially considering how logi assistance renders the same S-flag when they assist a C/S-flagged pilot. It would be a great way to get easy Orca kills. First person to get a killmail on Battleclinic with an Orca wins EVE. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1416	Posted - 2012.12.16 03:33:00 - [19] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: First person to get a killmail on Battleclinic with an Orca wins EVE. EDIT: sorry, I just realised you meant the Orca is the intended target. But it'd still be pretty funny to see a killmail include an Orca on the attacker's fleet Here you go. Why do people use Battleclinic? It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Reaver Glitterstim Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band 251	Posted - 2012.12.16 04:53:00 - [20] - Quote Next time shoot the suspect orca. That'll learn him not to put an orca in danger to win a frigate fight. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1417	Posted - 2012.12.16 05:05:00 - [21] - Quote Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Next time shoot the suspect orca. That'll learn him not to put an orca in danger to win a frigate fight. Except the Orca did nothing to gain suspect status. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's.
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 111	Posted - 2012.12.16 05:19:00 - [22] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Well this should prove an interesting tool to use Can't wait for the results.
Styth spiting Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate 122	Posted - 2012.12.16 05:58:00 - [23] - Quote Didn't the previous fix not allow you to swap out ships stored in an Orca while you were targeted? I seem to recall a discussion during hulkageddon about players swapping out of their exhumers into pvp ships but the previous fix made it so after someone initiated an attack on you / targeted you that you could not swap out.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 2243	Posted - 2012.12.16 06:09:00 - [24] - Quote Styth spiting wrote: Didn't the previous fix not allow you to swap out ships stored in an Orca while you were targeted? Read the posts before yours in this thread. ISD was in with an answer at post #4. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 2243	Posted - 2012.12.16 06:10:00 - [25] - Quote The Protato wrote: Dave stark wrote: i'm guessing the time it took you to ask him to say sorry and give the stuff back was long enough for him to deagress. next time, just teach him the hard lesson. send him home in his pod. So much for :citizenjustice: and my honourtank. :citizenjustice: is best served piping hot. It is revenge that is a dish best served cold. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet 357	Posted - 2012.12.16 09:28:00 - [26] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: New Rule: Those with Sustpect flags who enter an Orca shall place the Orca under a Suspect flag as well. Actually. Pilots that switch ships at an Orca never enters it. The "board ship from space" just strings together a series of actions, leave ship, eject new ship from bay, enter new ship and finally store the old ship. Easily tested by switching between two battle cruisers (or other ships larger than 50% of the Orca bay). Or by just looking at someone doing it (hint, there's a gap where both ships are visible in space). And suspect, or other flags, follows the actions of the pilot, not the ship. Linking pilot uses of any services by other ships (Orca, Rorq, Carriers, Blops, Titans, whatever) to flagging of the proving pilot would be very hairy rules. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
The Protato Protus Correction Facility Inc. 111	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:05:00 - [27] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: :citizenjustice: is best served piping hot. It is revenge that is a dish best served cold. From henceforth I swear off teargathering in place of serving up delicious delicious :citizenjustice:.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1930	Posted - 2012.12.16 18:54:00 - [28] - Quote Lors Dornick wrote: Linking pilot uses of any services by other ships (Orca, Rorq, Carriers, Blops, Titans, whatever) to flagging of the proving pilot would be very hairy rules. You mean like the messed up rules that were adapted too long ago, right... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
Lord LazyGhost Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel 20	Posted - 2012.12.16 19:56:00 - [29] - Quote watch ur overview and next time another ships appears on overview lock it up he cant enter a ship that's targeted. then you can just lol while he can do nothing
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 253	Posted - 2012.12.17 01:03:00 - [30] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Except the Orca did nothing to gain suspect status. Aiding and abetting a known suspect. EvE Forum Bingo

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