Prove it, address all of the points in the OP that are arguing against you quite well.

All that matters is the relative reward-risk factor. You don't need to nerf hisec when you can just buff low and null. And then if you're a low or null player you can laugh at how much you're making as compared to the hiseccers.

I guess the thing I just dont understand is the NEED for anything to bloom in null. Null as I understand it is the frontier of EVE. It is supposed to be an area that is untamed and in a constant state of transition. I dont think it was ever anyones intention that one group could get a stranglehold over all of it or most of it. Had the original idea of null remained true to form, there would be no need for the burgeoning industry needs it apparently now has. Thats not a failure of the game mechanics however. That is a failure of the people that dwell in null. I would say that even if CCP did everything you suggest above, nothing would change. Sure, a few folks would take advantage of the better ores and outposts but most wont. In the end, high sec industry will continue to plug along. The higher costs would just be passed along to the end user of what is produced and then your problems would be even bigger.

The HBC and the CFC have enough power already. To give them more would only make a broken situation even worse. What is being proposed is bad for the game. I hope CCP doesn't listen to you.

Industry has been pretty much the same for a long time. Which toys exactly were taken from you.

And that is truly the heart of the matter I think. You think the game is all about making friends so you can group up and blow people up. I just think its about making friends which I do have by the way. They just dont expect me to build their empire or want me to come help them kill someone that just popped into local. I wasnt trying to be hostile and apologize if thats how it sounded. Im just tired of the black cloud hanging around waiting to drop its next batch of rain. Not all of us have a bazillion skill points and we do what we can. We also understand that no matter how we try to plug ourselves into someone elses organization that in the end we are just puppets on a string. We like our Empire. You give us a way to get into something better and Ill listen, but I dont think CCP needs to bring the hammer to make that happen.

You may be right. I do hear quite often that because I choose to do my own thing in a game the devs themselves call a sandbox that I am in fact rowing against the current. But the funny thing is that when i look around, I see so many people rowing in the same direction I am going. Yes, we have fun. Yes we do mine, do missions and build. But what "small holdings" we have are ours. Im not mindlessly following someone else telling me what I can and cant do. So yeah, I probably am doing it wrong...but Im not alone and we are having fun.

Yep, I agree. Sounds like loads of fun. And the problem with null is what again? Oh yeah...hi sec industry.

None of that stuff has anything to do with industry and most of it is internal to hi-sec and doesn't even affect null. Thats a pretty lame list.

Well, I dont have 16hrs a day to work at a video game. I have a real life for that. Just out of curiosity, when exactly do you have fun?

I've already covered the biggest reason why highsec can't be nerfed, but since this thread is getting longer and longer and the same tired non-arguments are being trotted out over and over again I'll repeat it:

There needs to be an aura of exclusivity to nullsec to keep things lively there. Not everyone can be allowed to play in sovereign nullsec.

The people who can't (or don't want to) currently play in sovereign nullsec need a place where they can play the game at all.

This means a place with effectively unlimited content (including industry) so it can hold all the players not currently in nullsec alliances (as well as however many nullsec alts as people care to make and play there).

This content has to provide some level of reward for players at any level of experience, which means that for players with both elite player and character skills it will provide significant rewards. The only way to prevent that is to literally kick players out if they are too good.

As such, I propose something that *could* be an effective nerf to highsec:

If it doesn't spawn or can't be built in in highsec it is contraband there.

There, no more deadspace fit pirate faction battleships blasting through L4 missions as fast as the players can pull them, nerf accomplished.

And this is a "I can't read" argument, because I did not say AT ALL about forcing T2 production into lowsec. Just that low sec would become a natural "next best" location to do T2 production unless restrictions would only make null sec the place for T2 production.

Nuh uh, highsec is the future of EVE Online.

Next on :highsecnews: Goons defeated. Mission accomplished !

Yes agreed. Absolutely.

That's why I'm puzzled that you would assert that CCP could have quadrupled player numbers by trying to invade their niche.

Seems like a great big hassle to me. I would unsub my industrial character and let someone else do the grind. I make more money trading anyway.

Did Goons say you could speak? I thought not.

can i take it as CCP will raze up goon and the similar alliances? will take the ability of hotdropping or forming fleets of more then 3 toons? or you will delete all the toons over 20 mill sp? im interested how will you solve the "be our pet or leave nullsec" situation. same with lowsec. how do you want to make it a "healthy place", when a commandship can give over 2k shield for a simple t2 fitted pirate tengu? which casual player will go to lowsec to die for these without any actual chance of winning? you want to make the ghetto attractive and unable to realise, brooklyn will never become paris.



thats simply caused by those who cant understand that the 90% of eve community dont want them. actually there is no fair pvp in eve (while nearly every other MMO gives it) so any good you can train your toon and yourself, number and age will always win. many tiny alliance proved they have a lot better strategists and combatants then goon/razor/test stb but they are unable to compete and it seems in eve they will never be able due to number will always beat the brain. thats why those who dont like to be a "gun" pressing f1 in a goonfleet will ever leave the safety zone.