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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.05.22 21:54:00 -
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In my mind the pros and cons are thus:
Pros
People can roleplay several different personas
There are legitimate circumstances when concealing ones identity is neccessary (market transactions, espionage)
Cons
Alts are used primarily for posting flamebait
90% of the posts that need editting or deleting by mods are made by alts.
In my mind the Pro's are really rather minor. Please can someone enlighten us as to why Alts should continue to be able to post to the forums (I have no objection to alts in general, just their ability to post)
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.05.22 22:28:00 -
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I disagree
The pro's clearly outweigh the cons
A: Because you can ignore flamebaits, and they are usually locked
B: Mods who delete posts can also issue warnings, the warning is not PER CHARACTER but PER ACCOUNT so the alt doesn't save the main
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.05.22 22:32:00 -
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Furhtermore, the age old question which is raised every time someone wants to get rid of alts.
What is an alt?
What defines some character to be an alt?
Why is the usage of a character who is not well trained or much used but used for Roleplay or other purposes not considered legitimate?
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.05.22 22:55:00 -
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Pre exodus, it was the first character on an account that was the default poster.
However - if you have created an alt after the launch of exodus, it's the new alt that's set to be default poster.
So - if you had your main and an alt pre exodus, create an alt and then post it will be the new alt that is the default poster. If you delete that alt it won't be the previous alt that is default poster, it will be your main.
Reverting back to the previous system should be enough to get rid of at least some altposts, since many seem to be accidental.
And btw I do think alts should be allowed to post, even if they have 0 credibility in most cases.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.05.22 23:48:00 -
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Personally, I don't like alts either, and if there is a EVE 2 I hope they're either gone or there's a system making them identifiable as an alt.
But, since we're stuck with them, I don't see a way to get rid of them.
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Imaweepony
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Posted - 2005.05.22 23:54:00 -
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Another pro is that alts allow mains to speak up against others that using their mains might bring reprecussions against the main by those who would wish to harm the main or the main's corp.
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.05.23 00:09:00 -
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If a post could bring repercussions then it Should bring repercussions
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.05.23 01:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Riddari
Furhtermore, the age old question which is raised every time someone wants to get rid of alts.
What is an alt?
What defines some character to be an alt?
Why is the usage of a character who is not well trained or much used but used for Roleplay or other purposes not considered legitimate?
I don't think anyone has a problem with alts themselves, per se. The problem stems from the anonyminity of alts (combined with the anonyminity of the internet itself) meaning people can (and do) use them to act like total jack-asses.
One of EVE's great strengths is that no action is consequence free - if you steal someone's ore (for example), fine. But they can go war dec you and kill you for it. Not like a normal MMO where you can't get revenge because PvP is consensual.
But alts remove this. Act lame? People will hate you. So create another alt, and they can't track you down! (until you act lame again) Alts were never meant to be used in this way. Consequence free gameplay sucks. If you want to try something out without endangering your main, go to the test server.
I don't see what RP has got to do with this either. First of all, if you had a lamers/RPers ratio, I'm sure you'd find it in favor of the lamers. I'd put good money on alts get used more for consequence free lameness than RPing.
Second of all, you can RP any character you want from any race. Frankly, if you feel your RP options are limited by your race, you aren't very imaginative. Go to the IC forum - you'll find highly religious Caldari, Amarr in the UK, and Gallente being ghey (some things never change). Your race doesn't limit your character, so you don't really need alts for it.
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Kris Longknife
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Posted - 2005.05.23 11:54:00 -
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nada nada nadar....see your stuck with me!!!
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2005.05.23 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Personally, I don't like alts either, and if there is a EVE 2 I hope they're either gone or there's a system making them identifiable as an alt.
But, since we're stuck with them, I don't see a way to get rid of them.
Easy, just display the names of the characters, that are created on one account, below the name of your posting character. Done. 
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.05.23 11:59:00 -
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yep
would be nice to see who all the chars on 1 account are
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Maze Dumoir
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:11:00 -
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I like to play EVE as a role-playing game. As part of the deal, I get 3 characters to role-play with.
One character might be an upstanding member of a mining corporation that never does anything questionable (like nicking loot off slow people).
One character might be a scavenger that has no morals and takes what they can get at every opportunity, whatever the consequences.
The actions of the 2nd character should not reflect on the 1st: either in-game or in-forum. I vote for keeping the anonymity. In my opinion, I think the game is more enjoyable if you treat other players as characters in the game and not as people in the real world controlling characters in a game. My in-game venom at other characters is exactly that: in-game. It doesn't stretch to the actual people playing. What a waste of time and energy that would be.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:12:00 -
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No
It's fine like it is. The alt postings ARE NOT numerous and those that deserve to be locked usually are.
You guys not being able to resist to post an answer to a troll thread populated by alts is not the concern of the rest of the community.
Your problems are way less significant than the pleasure the majority can derive from being able to use more than a single character on their account.
And a lot of people actually do that.
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:16:00 -
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Give players a month to decide which characters they want to keep. Then drop the price of accounts, transfer all characters to their own individual account, and be done with it. If you want another character, you pay for it, period.
It's all been said before, and no, it's never changing. 
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 23/05/2005 12:25:44
Originally by: Scorpyn
Pre exodus, it was the first character on an account that was the default poster.
However - if you have created an alt after the launch of exodus, it's the new alt that's set to be default poster.
So - if you had your main and an alt pre exodus, create an alt and then post it will be the new alt that is the default poster. If you delete that alt it won't be the previous alt that is default poster, it will be your main.
Reverting back to the previous system should be enough to get rid of at least some altposts, since many seem to be accidental.
And btw I do think alts should be allowed to post, even if they have 0 credibility in most cases.
For what it's worth, you can change your 'default' poster in your settings.
I also am adverse to alts. Although I'd go for a 'one player, one account' approach. Seriously, how's playing 2 miners, and one hauler 'solo' (for example) 'in the spirit' of the game.
I also think that the relative impugnity using an alt for being anti-social gives, is also a real problem. Not on the forums, but for scamming, ore thieving, and otherwise being a nuisance in game.
But I don't think that's going to change, and I'm more than prepared to keep using my 'station management' alt :)
Assuming alts are here to stay (and I think they are) then allowing them to post is fair enough. After all, there will always be muppets and trolls, and there's positive reasons to allow alt posting.
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Liger
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:27:00 -
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alts; learn to love and hate them. especially in corp or alliance they can prove their worth. either as a spy ingame or hijacking a thread on fora to stir things up or to cool things down. alts can be very handy for carebearing as well. I am mainly focusing on pvp skills, but I need a production character as well.
So my conclusion is; let there be alts
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Yolanda UR001
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:31:00 -
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Did someone say alts? this is my alt of my alt  not hard to tell who it is either
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:33:00 -
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Seeing seemingly random people post something, and then some other guy correcting with "oops, sorry, posted with my alt", only confuses me and makes me go "OMFG ARGH FFS THIS KILLS THE ILLUSION!".
What bothers me even more is how a majority of the people seems to be going for maximum efficiency using alt characters instead of playing the game AS A GAME. Im not very fond of "the way it is mean't to be played", as most games never will be, but that is pretty much what I mean. The more alts, the less dependant on other people you'll be, and the less value the game will have.
Also, again, I must stress that I think the major alt-problem is with people paying for several accounts. There is NO connection between those characters, so not even a "this is an alt of this character"-feature would remedy this problem.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:41:00 -
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Bloody stupid throead.
The original poster should just go and stick his head in a bucket of 'get a clue'
Alts cause no problems on the forums.
What a nubbet.
Oooops, wrong character.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:42:00 -
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My view on alts is simple.
Hella is an alt for the simple reason that i prefer to keep my opinions seperate to those of my corp and my main. I might personally dislike views of certain individuals and using an alt i can express my views without fear of ingame reprisals. I dont intend to have moo, huff or Celest (random names) war dec'ing my corp just because of disagreements between myself and members of the other corps.
Saying that, Hella is and always be my alt, and i wont just use her for insults. I hate alts made for the purpose of replying to one thread and spamming it.
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hella May on 23/05/2005 12:42:57
Originally by: Avon
Bloody stupid throead.
The original poster should just go and stick his head in a bucket of 'get a clue'
Alts cause no problems on the forums.
What a nubbet.
Oooops, wrong character.
ROFL - Subtle as always avon!
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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OSughhi
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:43:00 -
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We are the people. We are the freedom. 
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Grosvenor Corama
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:45:00 -
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OOoopps wrong character..... ( PS that's a joke )
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Grosvenor Corama
OOoopps wrong character.....
...and now we know the altalt of the Gross
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.23 13:36:00 -
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If I recall, at one time creating additional characters on one account in EVE made them "related" to each other. Like brothers and sisters, as it were. Would be interesting if that were brought back, and maybe add a way in-game (geneology agent maybe?) where you could look up the relations of a particular character.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.05.23 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hella May on 23/05/2005 13:41:40
Originally by: Winterblink
If I recall, at one time creating additional characters on one account in EVE made them "related" to each other. Like brothers and sisters, as it were. Would be interesting if that were brought back, and maybe add a way in-game (geneology agent maybe?) where you could look up the relations of a particular character.
Why would you want to do this? the only reason would be to gain revenge for that they said on the forums which in turn defeats the purpose of having alts in the first place
Again having an alt allows you to express your views and opinions which otherwise you might not be able to express. I.e you are free to express your views on how the game should develop without attacting the attention of the large aggressive corps that disagree with you. The forums are a place to express yourself freely, the alt gives you the ability to do this.
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.05.23 13:50:00 -
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I'm all for entire removal of the alts. People should take an direction and stick to it. If you misbehave, bear the consequences, not circumvent it by using alts.
The problem is that many people now already have their alts trained up and don't want them deleted, others have bought alts and likely even feel stronger about this.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.23 13:56:00 -
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I post with Avon.
Avon is my main.
I have the strength of my convictions.
I use alts only for comic effect, and it is pretty rare.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.05.23 14:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hella May on 23/05/2005 14:08:26
Edited by: Hella May on 23/05/2005 14:07:30
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Originally by: Tobiaz
I'm all for entire removal of the alts. People should take an direction and stick to it. If you misbehave, bear the consequences, not circumvent it by using alts.
Tobiaz, with reference to the above, if i were, for example, to express my views of ore theifs, and an incident with Tenaj, Avon and his little pals of Huff may take it upon themselves to æpunishÆ me for expressing my views on ore thieves. This may be a bad example, but what I am trying to show is that through the use of alts people with little physical game power can express their views on how the game should develop without the fear of reprisals and hold as much weight in the discussions through their arguments rather than the corp they are in.
Without alts people with large pvp corps etc would have more power in controlling the forums through fear of reprisals and thus the issues raised upon the game would always go in the favour of the small æaggressiveÆ minority.
If people like yourself, Avon, and other 1st character posters etc were in a position where expressing your views may threaten your friends method of play (i.e non violence) I doubt you would use your main character.
There are however some times where alts are used just to flame and this is imo wrong. But then ccp can ban these alts and the original charcater should they wish
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.23 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hella May
Why would you want to do this? the only reason would be to gain revenge for that they said on the forums which in turn defeats the purpose of having alts in the first place
I think you're overdramatizing this. And I don't mean a little, I mean a LOT.
How many times have you heard of someone suddenly running into a dozen battleships at a gate with the sole intent of blowing them out of the sky because of a forum post?
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