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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:28:00 -
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Every time an arena is added to an MMO all the other pvp dies. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:40:00 -
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Ocih wrote:
You do realize it's dead in EVE too?
Its so dead that the CFC has a dosen fleets up at any one time all getting fights. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:28:00 -
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Ocih wrote:
No, you are getting kills. The kind I mentioned before you hacked up my reply in your misquote. Industrial and PvE kills. You would continue to get those with an Arena because I can't haul trit through an Arena or grind ISK in an arena. Give it up, PvP is dead in this game.
PVP
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Nevermind the thousands of ships that get blown up doing it every single day... |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:04:00 -
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Theresa Lamont wrote:
The idea has its merits and sounds very interesting. To reject it without really considering its impact on the game is not very serious however, I think everyone agrees that a big change like this will have a major impact on the game. Good or bad, it remains to be seen.
We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:18:00 -
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Theresa Lamont wrote:baltec1 wrote: We have seen what happened in other MMOs. The PVP outside the arena died out in a matter of days because it is so much easier to get fights at the press of a button. Highly possible. You have examples? Restus in SWG. The moment it hit pvp everywhere else died.
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:01:00 -
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AKilla Sunday wrote: It's funny how almost everyone against it hints at the fact they will not be able to pray on the weak and lame. No we don't like it because arenas have killed the pvp outside of them in every game they were put into. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:32:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:
However, the difference between this game and every other game out there is that the ships taken into these arenas give you an advantage based on how much isk you spend. If the Arena were setup where all ships/mods/implants were from the economy, it would actually encourage war in EVE simply due to the value of the stuff being blown up.
Every other game also runs on taking in the most expensive purple gear... |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:38:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:
However, that 'Purple Gear" isn't destroyed when your match is over.
Dosn't matter, the same would happen here. Arenas will kill pvp here as it has done in every single other game it has been added to. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:53:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:
This is unique to EVE.
So we end up with a slightly unique arena. Still doesnt change the outcome for the rest of the PVP out there, EVE arenas will kill it just as effectivly as the arenas in all those other games. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:54:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:
You're wrong.
Where would the people get the ships that go into the arena from?
Same place as they do now. From grinding up isk in pve and buying them from industrialists. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 10:03:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:The people in the Arenas need to get their ships from somewhere.
They get them from industialists like my alt. People who have no need to go blow up other people to build ships and mods. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 10:12:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:
Exactly... heh, you mean the targets who are currently widely available for all of us to shoot at? Who are the biggest draw for small gang engagements (home def etc.). You don't see this increasing by introducing more people who want to compete in EVE, thus drawing more industrialists to mine?
Opening up opportunities such as...
Suicide gankng the people harvesting the minerals (but with more targets). The ratters saving up to get into the solo arena (but, more of these now). The line member defending his alliance who controls moons, to feed the modules that go into the arena.
Firstly, I have an industry alt and in the past year of daily trips to and from jita I have been attacked exactly zero times.
Secondly, you do not find all that many industrial targets out in null or lowsec
And thirdly, when we go roaming we want a fight, not ratters hiding in their POS.
Arenas will destroy the pvp out there because it is so much easyer to push a button to get action rather than hunting for it. The more people that use it the less you will find inthe rest of EVE which means more will join the arena and we quickly end up with the arena and nothing else.
It has happened every single time in every game that hasadded an arena. I do not want that to happen here too. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 10:16:00 -
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Zagdul wrote: As it stands, it's Arenas or WiS for a 'big draw' to get people to play. Of those two, which would you rather have?
Neither. I will take what CCP are giving us right now with ship rebalances, bounty system, FW and the upcoming POS and moon goo changes. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.18 10:40:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:
This being a niche game, it's attracted a lot of people who don't ever want any aspect of it to ever change or evolve. It's rather closed minded.
Its why EVE is the only MMO to still be growing after 10 years. We don't do what everyone else does and that is why EVE works.
SWG did not segregate off its PVP from the rest of the world and still all other pvp outside of restus died off. Arenas are simply not compatible with EVE and offer nothing good for us. If you want to hold an event then use the tools we have right now. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.23 16:13:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:
If anything, by providing an in game facility to test one's mettle, it should provide richer pvp environments in the long run.
Every other MMO that did this ended up with no pvp outside of arenas. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:35:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:It just doesn't make sense to NOT have arenas.
It doesn't have to be for large scale battles. "Safe" or "legitimate" 1v1s in a high-sec arena would not break PvP.
There is no reason to not have them lore or storywise.
The game just doesn't make sense without them, it's like, why the **** wouldn't a game with as much combat as Eve have an arena?
The people saying "No," and "Oh it's a bad idea," are seriously ********. You don't have to use the arena if you don't like it.
The problem is that when arenas are added they remove the pvp from everywhere else in the game. Why go hunting when you can get a fight at the click of a button with no chance of getting blobbed? The more that join the arena the less targets out in the rest of the game so more join the arena to get fights.
Its happened in every single MMO that has added them and will happen here too. |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.25 23:35:00 -
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Umega wrote:
This is EVE.. and whether people want to admit to it or not, the risk/reward ratio with having/using off-grid alt fleet boosters is WAAAAY to swayed on the reward side with next to little, or even zero.. Risk. That is Not EVE.
Soon there will be no off grid boosting |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:14:00 -
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Santo Trafficante wrote:Heeey homie ........ thats sum bad shiet idea dudah,stop teasin' and get breathin' Did anyone else read this in jar jars voice? |
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