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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.01.03 10:30:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Wey'oun wrote:seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops *Sigh* Going to make me use the 300 reference... The 300 Spartans wouldn't have been able to fight the Persians if the Persians were able to teleport right into the middle of Athens. Would have been a rather silly thing to do as Athens warred Sparta for control of the area .. Greece was not a nation per se for the longest time but a smattering of independent city states.
PS: Look up Peloponnesian War and just about any reputable history book if you want to know more .. actually recommended as it is one of the most exciting periods in history .. better than 99% of random drivel being peddled as literature these days for sure. |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy
141
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Posted - 2013.01.03 12:32:00 -
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That awkward moment when the word "fair" gets applied to the word "Eve" I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Anthar Thebess
REPUBLIKA ORLA C0VEN
38
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Posted - 2013.01.03 13:31:00 -
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Check this : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182784&find=unread |
BOOLER
Snuff Box
16
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:44:00 -
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Dammit, not another system we have to move an army of neutral cyno alts to so we can blops and titan bridge when we are bored. Although the salty tears farmed already on this thread are palpable. |
ErrorRon
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2013.01.09 00:39:00 -
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I tend to scout hostile alliances and put Titan pilots on watchlist. That way I know they're ready to drop on me. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
654
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Posted - 2013.01.09 10:36:00 -
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I think a spool-up time on the bridge (after the cyno has been lit) depending on the number of people taking the bridge would be an interesting mechanic (yes, I totally stole this idea from dota).
It would give the defender a realistic chance at cancelling the bridge by killing the cyno ship while retaining tactical options for the attacker (use a carrier to light the cyno for your 250man fleet, bridge multiple smaller groups, ...). I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
449
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:37:00 -
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ErrorRon wrote:I tend to scout hostile alliances and put Titan pilots on watchlist. That way I know they're ready to drop on me. All alliances are technically hostile (AWOX'ing is all the rage I hear ), does that mean you have a folder with 600+ people just to monitor Titans or do you weed out the ones used for carebear support (ie. permanent logistics duty)?
Titan's for all their ISK, mineral and time investment are born much faster than they are killed .. not as bad as S.carriers in their heyday but the mere fact that the ultimate hulls can be and are being spammed. We are approaching (or have already passed) the point where Titan's are essentially omni-present .. nerf their function outside of their own domain (null) and then nerf it some more just to be sure! |
Dragnarok
ScionTech Services
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Posted - 2013.01.29 21:11:00 -
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I'm glad this forum is getting some attention.
Some of you have made some valid points, whether agreeing with me or disagreeing with me, and some of you have trolled (funny though). Thank you for your support and thank you for your comments. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
314
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Posted - 2013.01.29 23:24:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:We are approaching (or have already passed) the point where Titan's are essentially omni-present .. nerf their function outside of their own domain (null) and then nerf it some more just to be sure!
Confirming low-sec needs a nerf. |
Xuixien
Amarrian Vengeance 24eme Legion Etrangere
241
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Posted - 2013.01.30 03:46:00 -
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lolfair Everyone vs Everyone Xuixien - Space Cat, Queen of Rens |
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Andracin
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.30 04:13:00 -
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Ive been droped by black ops bs in low sec way more than by titan bridge. Infact I can't even remember the last time I was on the end of a titan bridge not in null...but I can't count black ops portals and jumps on both hands. Maybe we should nerf black ops to only null... Or maybe we should quit complaining about things we don't have...like one of my alliance mates said...our alliance's titan just shoots our fleet out to areas we want to roam in...its more or less a big expensive star gate... |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
99
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Posted - 2013.01.30 10:13:00 -
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and black ops are in line for a bridge buff ;) GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1780
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Posted - 2013.01.30 10:40:00 -
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There is no problem with jump bridges specifically. There is a problem with hot-dropping in general, but there isn't an easy fix for it problem that affects the larger coalitions more than the smaller ones. Someone suggested mass limits on cynosural fields, but any large coalition can just field sixty cyno alts. Someone suggested gimping the Jump Drive Calibration bonus, but any large coalition can just make more midpoints. Someone suggested giving jump drives a spool-up time, but all that does is make fights not happen, as any ships that see a cyno will just rabbit if they can. I suggested a "Cyno Poisoner" module which poisons a cyno field and causes any ships that jump through it to receive debuffs, but that's rife with potential issues itself.
Hotdropping disincentivises certain fleet compositions (slow, high-power battleships, for example), which isn't fun for the players who enjoy flying them, but at the same time hotdropping is a perfectly valid tactic and gimping it too much isn't going to be fun for the players who enjoy using it. Mane 614
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SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
114
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Posted - 2013.01.30 18:00:00 -
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All alliances are technically hostile (AWOX'ing is all the rage I hear ), does that mean you have a folder with 600+ people just to monitor Titans[/quote]
Yes. Because when you undock your rifter in Amamake, you need to be very aware of what that titan in Oasa is doing. o\
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Enik3
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.01.30 22:15:00 -
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So basically you're crying about a 30 man fleet preying on your 15 man fleet while you're preying on a 1 man "fleet" at a gatecamp. Makes sense
I've discovered that one of EVE's great ironies is that the people that claim to "feast on tears" or be "fueled by tears" are usually the ones that produce the most tears of all. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
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Posted - 2013.02.02 19:43:00 -
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Titans are the end game they should be able to jump accross the universe .. Even to an another game ... Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Deyo
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:59:00 -
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I don't really see a problem. If people in 0.0 can learn to react to cynos, so can others. Some slow/unlucky ones may die, so what? And to top it you cant even be bubbled... Now we can discuss if titans added or detracted from game, but OP was nothing but a whine in my opinion. |
Galatica789
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:04:00 -
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EVE isnt W.o.W kid, its meant to be broken, your meant to cry, get over it, and please be within my Bridge range next time your in lowsec |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
271
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:57:00 -
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Nothing wrong with Titan bridging. Personally I find to be a it of a waste of time, fapping on a Titan pretending to be elite and all, but I supposes the special kids need their PvP as well
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Tekitha
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:43:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:, fapping on a Titan pretending to be elite and all, but I supposes the special kids need their PvP as well as opposed to fapping around in a dessie pretending to be elite and all, but I suppose the risk averse kids need their PvP as well ;) |
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
271
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:28:00 -
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LOL I have never pretended to be elite at anything. And risk adverse I most definitely am not. Nice try tho.
Tekitha wrote: as opposed to fapping around in a dessie pretending to be elite and all, but I suppose the risk averse kids need their PvP as well ;)
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:35:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Hotdropping disincentivises certain fleet compositions (slow, high-power battleships, for example), which isn't fun for the players who enjoy flying them, but at the same time hotdropping is a perfectly valid tactic and gimping it too much isn't going to be fun for the players who enjoy using it.
The solution is simple - fly nano, care naught for hotdroppers :)
Second solution - fight in plexes. Can't light cynos in there (or on the gates :) )
FW provides a very nice escape from the usual bait and blob tactics if you make use of the mechanics (especially the "can't warp to" is awesome). The rest of eve remains for those who like the standard eve tactics. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
271
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:37:00 -
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STFU you scrub, real men hit f1 and go make a sandwich
chatgris wrote:
The solution is simple - fly nano, care naught for hotdroppers :)
QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Voi Lutois
Valkyr Industries Violent Tendencies.
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:58:00 -
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**** all of you. |
Lokimin Arbosa
Ex Slave Self Preservation Society
0
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Posted - 2013.02.08 13:17:00 -
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So the main complaint of titan bridge is that a bigger group gets bridged in and kills the smaller group, but this only happens because the smaller group is trying to gank the lone (bait) ship (bait ships)
so basicly you are complaining that when you try and gank (out blob) a ship (some ships) you get out blobbed and get ganked
so gankers are moaning becuase they get ganked
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Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
44
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Posted - 2013.02.08 16:28:00 -
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Seriously, don't want to get bridged in lowsec? Go fight on a FW plex gate or in the plex. Problem solved. |
Makavelia
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.02.08 17:36:00 -
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If eve pvp is to be truly enjoyeble ccp need to find a way to make blobing a handi-cap. I'd guess it would be through some kind of ship ''stacking'' penelty that you see in modules.. so that 3 players will not put out 100% dmg to 1.
That could make lower level engagements more enjoyeble but it would also have good impact's on higher level.
This would mean, for example.. 3 cruisers would not be able to brake the tank of a BS. For that, you would need to field a BS or a few bc of your own to expect to put out the dpos after stacking pen to down the enemy bs.
On a cap level, you can't expect 3 bs to take down a cap (example number) the stacking penelty would leave the dps too low. You'd need to at-least match that cap with another cap + a few bs or what not.
The same can be said on major fleet battles. It would no longer be viable to primary 1 single target, you'd have to devide into devisions of primarys to pump out the maximum dps to players. This would make things for more complex and imo far more enjoyeble FOR ALL OF US.
It can be seen as a limiting factor, and tbh that's exactly what it is.. limiting the effectiveness of ''blob''. Look around now, blobbing is such a high problem, many people don't take bigger ships aorund becuase of that. You are so much likely to have your BS serounded by a cruiser/frigate blob.. and you can't barely hit them to make it worse.
IMO limit the penilitys bigger ships have to killing smaller ones, reduce the dmg of blobbing.. and maybe we can get back to a eve where you NEED to take the right ship ( all types) instead of just blobing 1 cheap type. |
Obvious Cyno
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:53:00 -
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Indication of a bridge being imminent would be the cyno going up or a lone Drake attacking your 5-10 man gang.
Limitations would be the time it takes from lighting the cyno to the Titan opening bridge to the fleet clicking jump and then loading grid. Plenty of time if you're smart. |
Anders1
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:49:00 -
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hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk
1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends 2. You shoot a solo dude 3. The solo dude evens things up 4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums
c/d??
only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.
boohoo |
Knorkor
Spartan Advanced Mining Infinite Aggression
15
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:22:00 -
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I wanna repeat my propsition from the other thread: Give the cynos a limit in mass of what can come through and no other ship with a cyno fitted would be allowed to jump in. So you have enough time to defeat the cyno and his gang. Hotdropping lone pilots or small gangs would still be possible, but you have an idea of what can come to you at max, giving small Corps and Alliance a fighting chance. |
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