show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

[snip] INDICATIONS [snip]

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

Man is it "Titan Bridge Awareness Month" or something? Get over it .. there will aways be a bigger fish and there is nothing you can say on the forums that will bring yor space pixels back to life.

Other things are waaay more overpowered in low sec so lets enjoy the game and have fun. Here is a small cheklist for all you smaller and new-ish corporations to consider before engaging anyone anywhere:

1. Do you know who are you about to engage and what is their capability of fielding ships and friends
2. Have you been recently bridged by the guys that you are about to engage
3. Have you scouted for possible reinforcements of the fleet that you want to engage
4. Consider if what you are about to engage in an obv. bait (if yes - go back and check steps 1 to 3)

If the answer to any of these is "No" than you will most likely lose your fleet. There are simply too many bored people in eve that have nothing better to do than kill you.

Some general tips:
*You dont absolutly have to fight everything you see in space, if you do.. don't expect to live 100% of the time
*Don't expect your enemy to fight fair, you know you wouldn't
*Learn from past misstakes
*If you consider sometiong to be overpowered - get some of that for your fleets (boost are op - why dont u have a booster?!, titan bridges are op - why don't u get a titan?! the enemy has larger fleet - why don't you recruit more people?!)
*If you are not having fun where you are, maybe thats not the place you should be. There are somany alternatives in Eve to what you could be doing ritght now and you are sitting on the forums complaining :)

I hope some of you smaller and/or new-ish low sec corps get some usefull info out of this

We have scouted, and we have found out about some of the Titan pilots... but then a new Alliance or Coalition comes in and drops a fleet over our heads, then another one, and another one, and so on. Would you believe me if I told you after we got wrecked by a 16 man fleet hotdrop, we chased them and forced them to log off in stations with a fleet of 6? Would you? Their biggest ship was BCs (several of them), our biggest ships were BCs too (we only had 2 of them). We chased them with our fleet so that we could kill as many of them as possible before going down... yeah, we did. Guess what they did. They warp to me, their scout jumps in the system where my 5 friends are, and all of their fleet scatters like roaches from the gate we were at... After they trashed talked for like 5 min they logged off. 10 min later they log back on and run. This is what we have to deal with, with bigger fleets that catch us by surprise but run like cowards at the sight of fleet put together to counter them (even if they outnumber us by 3 to 1).

1. Buy Titan
2. ????
3. Profit!




Just to clarify, being a member of a corp that doesn't have a single super. Stop whining.

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

You could make the process from jumping in to be in combat longer ( the uncloak/being able to target) in low sec than it is in null sec.

It would allow the fleet more time to get out if they did not like what they saw.

not saying it should be done, just saying it would nerf it a little.

As i said there will always be a bigger fish and someone will manage to "blob" you. Nothing you can do about it but try to avoid when you can, wen u can't... just go buy some more ships. I will however suggest few practical things to do before engaging an unknown fleet.

*Corp history of the pilots - a quick look at this can give you an idea if the person might have contacts and be a cyno for someone (i can't stress enough the need to know the major players in your area to begin with)
*eve-kill is your friend - a quick look at the pilots kills/losses can show you if he had recently did the same thing he is about to do to you to someone else - most eve pilots are creatures of habit and fly simmilar or same fits over time
*If in doubt consider the worst - you are not sure if its a cyno bait or not - aproach it as if it was one - engage at range, stay out of scram/web range to minise the loss
*If it looks like bait, moves like bait - it's a bait - simple as that (If you see a lonely faction battleship traveling from gate to gate - u can be sure he is not lost. If a battleship is sitting on your station undock and agressing - take the type to scan it for cyno before engaging)
*know your game mechanics - be aware where the engagement is taking place, how that affects reinforcements for both sides.
*have friends - nothing is stoping you from calling friends and counter bridge

My view on this remains the same....

If you can't build it in low-sec then it shouldn't be there. Makes no sense in any respect other than "oh we screwed up years ago and now it's too complicated to change".

Never going to be changed anyway so threads like this are pissing in the wind.

If Titan Bridges get nerfed out of lowsec, I'm calling it: "BLOPS bridges are OP and give a clear advantage to bigger corps! Please keep out of lowsec!"

That is all.

blackops range = 4au
titan bridge is like 9.8au

and you actually risk massive isk with blackops so... your arguement is kinda invalid

Not really. I recall a few arguments where even in nullsec there was a complaint about them being able to move a BLOPS fleet into NPC null space. If that complaint can be made and it had more than the OP in favor, then I can easily see an argument and the hordes coming for a lowsec restriction on it.

Not really. I recall a few arguments where even in nullsec there was a complaint about them being able to move a BLOPS fleet into NPC null space. If that complaint can be made and it had more than the OP in favor, then I can easily see an argument and the hordes coming for a lowsec restriction on it.

I am not a fan of having a ship that is not at risk determining outcomes of battles. That's why I am opposed to OGB. Titans are in the same boat, they completely determine the outcome of a battle without ever having to leave the safety of their pos. Titans should have to jump through their own bridge first before other ships can follow. Maybe if the Titan has to jump as well people won't bridge on 3-4 man cruiser gangs.

I see. I like that idea.
So you are saying that a Titan must physically create a bridge by jumping to the cyno and create something like a wormhole behind where it jumped from. Then the fleet that was waiting there where the Titan was, can right click on the wormhole the titan created/left behind and jump through it. Was this what you had in mind?

Another idea that one of my corp members came up with. A HIC should be able to prevent a cyno from lighting up with a script loaded in the Warp Disruption Field Generator modules and prevent a Capital Ships from locking on to a cyno ship.

Can't afford a Titan. Don't have access to build one, and we are not big enough to build one. I though I explained all of this in my first post.

Thank you for your pointers... Do you have anything else to say regarding my propositions other than assuming I'm "whining"? If not, then you are wasting valuable space and adding to more useless post material that people can actually spent their time in reading something more interesting.



Rant rant etc complain complain

So, your opinion is invalid.

Good Day!

I'm fine with titan drops but if it can't be built in low sec it shouldn't be allowed for use in low sec. Either get rid of super caps from low sec or allow them to be built in low sec.

Hello everyone,

I am writing this forum page in hope to get CCPGÇÖs attention. To get CCPGÇÖs attention, I first need to get my fellow peers attention. The purpose of this forum is to discuss whether Titan Bridging in Low-Sec should have any sort of LIMITATIONS or INDICATIONS of a possible bridging.

The reason behind this is because, my corporation along with our coalition live in low sec , and we have been bridged 6 times by bigger coalitions and stronger alliances ON DECEMBER ALONE . Obviously if you got a Titan at your disposal, you certainly have a bigger advantage on smaller corporations. Now, wrecking a gate camp or a roaming fleet of 5 ships with 30 to 40 ships thanks to Titan Bridges, whether they have SKILLS OR NOT is a different forum Topic .

My propositions are:
1. Limitation
My propositions regarding Limitation are a lot, but I will propose only one of my ideas. My idea regarding limitation on a Titan Bridge would be to limit a Titan Bridge to Null-Sec area only. By doing so, those who CAN Titan Bridge will have to deal with corporations and alliances that can do the same.


The premise behind your limitation is flawed. There are already corps that live in low sec that can field titans. There are many corps in null sec which cannot field titans. The reason titans are able to bridge into low sec is because a cyno can be lit in low sec. If this were not so then no one could jump their carriers and jump freighters from null sec back to empire.


2. Indication
My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe. Such a thing should be possible for ships that have a Cyno fitted to it. By doing so, you give a chance to the pilot to decide whether he/she should or shouldnGÇÖt spring the trap.

Personally i agree with the folks in this thread who think you are just a whiner. Folks get hot dropped in eve in both null sec and low sec doing gate camps. This is the RISK you take in camping a single location for long. Folks will find you and set you up to drop on you. There is nothing wrong with this. And it is avoidable.

When my corp has been between alliances (frequently in the past) we usually go to low sec and pirate until moving to a new one. We frequently get hot dropped. And we usually lose very little to those hot drops. Occassionally someone gets caught. Not all that often. Why?

For one thing we usually camp at a perch not on the gate. We usually have scouts in high sec. We generally know who is likely to drop on us. We usually have most of the regular cyno guys book marked. We usually only have a tackler or two on the gate in a Hic. And once we tackle anything we are all aligned to a safe or a pos we have put down in the system. Often we have a falcon or two cloaked and ready to jam if a cyno goes up. It really isnt all that hard to avoid getting blobbed. It happens from time to time and we may lose a ship or two. If so, props to them for their success.

Would you like some cheese with that?

Boo, other people have ISK and friends and can do things I can't. Yes the titan is safe, but the titan isn't fighting you is it. They still risk their bait and fleet, no different than any gang. You are just butthurt and jealous. Next time prepare and either gank their bait or snipe etc. I see no problem with titan bridges. Not that hard to not fall for bait, titan bridging is not OP Its just a luxury, a 100b isk luxury., one they van lose witha single fuckup. Guess what someone had to grind for that titan, you dont want to, thats your choice. You are just jealous and thus cry nerf.

I dont have access to a titan butmy corp could grind the isk and we just might, when we do ill think. Of you and your tears.

Titans arent the problem you are.

That is a huge risk... risking a bait... lol I thought you were serios, but I see you were joking and just trolling around. lol
Anyways, thank your for providing me with a good morning laughter lol.

Alright, but I must respectfully ask you to not post anymore.
Sorry, but I would rather not have this forum post turn into an Amateur Stand Up comedy show where you can debut your skills.

Thank you, and good day.

Pretty sure people can read what you are writing WITH OUT USING CAPS.

But regardless i dont see Titans as a huge issue in low sec nore them using brigdes. And yes, i know what your saying without having to use Caps Lock, got bridge 4 times the last week to. Latest in Amamake by a tristan fleet, which i found funny and not a problem, next time a see they have a BS in a belt, baiting, its most likely a titan brigde trap which i will avoid, meaning them getting longer inbetween posible brigde targets worth wasting a brigde on.

Wasting a titan brigde on tristans to catch 1 bellicose T1 cruiser indicate to me people are already getting bored.

Whilst i respect your right to free speech with regards to his perfectly valid comment, i dont respect your statement telling him not to post. this is a forum for discussion, HENCE THE NAME (SEE I CAN TYPE IN CAPS TOO)!!!!!!!!!!!. you have no right to tell people not to post just because they disagree with your stupid irrelevant opinions

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you

seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

who do you think you are? just because his opinion is different to yours doesnt make them invalid.

also your opinion are hilarious, im drowning in your tears and bitterness!.

Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason.

Once you know an entity is capable of using it the counter is very simple - Find the name of their titan alt, save as contact and be aware that a hot drop could be incoming as long as that character is online. Modifiy tactics and fleets accordingly and bosh - advantage negated.

You can also keep track of known cyno alts, maintain cloaked scouts in their titans base systems to check fleet comps (since fleets have to go to the titan to be able to bridge) then modify your fleet accordingly or try to force engagements in systems outside of the titans bridging range. You just have to be prepared to put in a bit of extra effort.

I have to admit these days we use our titan way more for cutting down on time spent traveling to areas we want to roam in rather than hotdropping anyone.

Hello everyone,

I am writing this forum page in hope to get CCPGÇÖs attention. To get CCPGÇÖs attention, I first need to get my fellow peers attention. The purpose of this forum is to discuss whether Titan Bridging in Low-Sec should have any sort of LIMITATIONS or INDICATIONS of a possible bridging.

The reason behind this is because, my corporation along with our coalition live in low sec , and we have been bridged 6 times by bigger coalitions and stronger alliances ON DECEMBER ALONE . Obviously if you got a Titan at your disposal, you certainly have a bigger advantage on smaller corporations. Now, wrecking a gate camp or a roaming fleet of 5 ships with 30 to 40 ships thanks to Titan Bridges, whether they have SKILLS OR NOT is a different forum Topic .

Okay. There aren't only a handful of Titans in game... or are they? If not, then you can't really find them all. What do you do when every single member of your enemy alliance drops a cyno every time with any pilot they have on the field?

What do you do when you know the enemy alliance has about half a dozen Titans, and you can't afford to keep a cloaked scout in their system 24/7. As far as we have noticed, they are keeping most of their Titan pilots a secret.

What do you do when a new alliance comes around and hotdrops a fleet on you... then another one... and so on and so on. So far 6 different alliances... (gosh I keep repeating the same thing)...

You made the following statement "Sorry but i have to disagree with your origional assertation that titan bridges are too big an advantage for one very simple reason", but you have only given valid reasons for corps that can master big of enough fleets as the Titan Owners. So don't you think that your explanation to counter a Titan owning corp, is not very useful for a small corp?

1. Limitation
My propositions regarding Limitation are a lot, but I will propose only one of my ideas. My idea regarding limitation on a Titan Bridge would be to limit a Titan Bridge to Null-Sec area only. By doing so, those who CAN Titan Bridge will have to deal with corporations and alliances that can do the same.

2. Indication
My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe. Such a thing should be possible for ships that have a Cyno fitted to it. By doing so, you give a chance to the pilot to decide whether he/she should or shouldnGÇÖt spring the trap.

As things stand right now, corporations that own Titans have a huge field advantage over smaller corporations.

*snip*

Even if you don't see Titans as a huge issue in low sec. Do you mind commenting on some of the possible ways of resolving this perfect advantage edge big corps have over small ones?

Thanks.

You wrongfully assume that all nullsec entities have titans and/or only those are interested in fighting you.
Also this would bring another problem to the front. Bridging subcaps is impossible in lowsec? No problem, you'll be dropped by tracking dreads with triage support or supers. How is that any better? Or do you wrongfully assume that entities that can drop 15-25 supers on your gang are confined to nullsec?

You mean you can't sniff a trap and you need pointers that ship X has a cyno. Let me give you some pointers here. Any freaking noobship can have a cyno. You are not safe anywhere if you lack situational awareness.

Will be interesting if this is implemented, all you need to travel safely in lowsec would be to fit a cyno to your transport ship and everyone will avoid you like the plague since you might be the "bait" for 1141039 ships eager to facemelt your 5 BCs.

That advantage is only dictated by sheer numbers or sheer firepower. If your corp can only field 10-15 people, then you would be roflstomped by a corp that can field 40-50 people, even if the 40-50 drop you by jumping a gate into you or via cyno, makes no difference whatsoever.

Not sure if serious.

EDIT. Nah this guy has 95 kills and no indication that anyone has ever bridged onto him. There is no way this is a serious post. Shame on us all for falling for the emotroll.

Also loads of people use noobships for cynos, people more competent than you. That aside, Whine whine whine. You want riskless PvP and being able to just gank anyone at your little noobish gatecamp. Check their guns or run away? Seriously how incompetent and afraid are you guys. Ive gatecamped and I havent had these problems, hell my corp has gatecamped so much CCP changed the map! See no titan bridge problem, just a bad player crying for nerfs to cover for his poor tactics and laziness.

Sorry, but no skilled blober like you, should come back and try to harder once you get some skills in PvP to even come close at schooling someone.

And loads of people get alphas in the face in those noobships cyno. FYI alpha damage means dealing an insane amount of dmg possibly one shooting a ship. Look, you learned something new... HOORAYYYYY!
So where is the competence of not being able to hold the cyno up long enough for his/her fleet to hotdrop? And there is a lot of "whine whine whine" coming out of you for me, but so far you have only showed that you suffer from ADT. Incapable of following a sentence and paying a shred of attention to what I've written so far.

This is the reason why I respectfully asked you to not post here anymore, because I did not want to call you out on what I believe you suffer from. And also you are just making things go around in circles.

I really do not know on how else to tell you... but I hope you understand... so...
Thank you for your collaboration.

Well, aren't you ignorant then?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18233557

I killed him before I could warp out... and I warped out not thanks to my skills but rather thanks to their 8 interceptor pilots pointing the same ships. So 30 ships "successfully" spread points only to 3 out of 5 of us, and 2 of us (a BattleCruiser and Battleship) got out successfully. Not cause we were skilled, but cause they were bad. And now, no skilled pilots abuse this system cause they wouldn't be able to get any kills any other way. Understand?

But knowing how troll work, and the lights up stairs being out, you will come back and make a smart*** comment. I just hope to God it will be a good one.

I think the truth is that a small corp shouldn't necessarily always be able to counter a large corp - the cowboys didn't downgrade to bows and arrows vs the Indians to make it fair... If you have resources then it's appropriate that you gain advantage from this - a lot of the isk side of your argument could be compared to being annoyed that other people can field t3 fleets and you can only fly rifters, it's just life.
Clearly it's not unreasonable or nonviable to expect people to aspire to titan ownership as the people you're talking about have achieved it.

This said - i wouldn't really mind at all if you couldn't titan bridge on grid with a fight. 95% of the use for our titan is for transportation in order to roam new areas - this doesn't mean that if someone's doing something stupid in something expensive that we won't try to kill them (http://shadowcartel.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=32004) but by and large I would prefer to bridge next door and jump in, as constant bridging on small targets just damages the ability of the small gang and solo pilots in my alliance to get fights. (I'm sure you can find exceptions to this but they are unlikely to have been when I was fcing).

If they got rid of it we would survive as we are a roaming alliance, however I would miss the ability to roam far and wide that titans have given us.

Everyone enjoys different things - to me, gatecamping in a system (Naguton? :) ) 23.5/7 and preying on noobs who come in completely unprepared, is just as boring/bad/lame as sitting on a titan waiting to bridge on some poor unsuspecting guy, however for someone else doing a 60 jump roam and getting no kills sounds awful too.

[quote=Disastro]



Well, thank you for sharing your personal opinion of me and SLIGHTLY touching on the main topic. Now should I share my personal opinion of you and what some others think of you?...

I think the truth is that a small corp shouldn't necessarily always be able to counter a large corp - the cowboys didn't downgrade to bows and arrows vs the Indians to make it fair... If you have resources then it's appropriate that you gain advantage from this - a lot of the isk side of your argument could be compared to being annoyed that other people can field t3 fleets and you can only fly rifters, it's just life.

A few years ago I saw a video of some CCP person accurately explain it kind of like this: "Hitchcock had it right, the suspense and build up to whatever is going to happen is as important as what happens. Bridging has killed that in EVE, and I want to fix it." ...and then nothing happened.

These guys gatecamp all day, popping noobs, and almost never leave their home system .. If we show up with a handful of BC's, they all scatter like roaches, dock up and take a half hour to form up with a guardian heavy 15 man armor BS fleet to fight our 5 bc's.. lol

and they wonder why people hot drop them.

maybe you should stop sucking, and get a titan of your own.. you have a fair number of members, or as Darek mentioned, learn how to determine if you're enemy's titans are on.. it's not that hard

stop being so terrible! :P

Outside of that, titan bridging is annoying as it's risk-free instant force projection.. the 'almost risk free' part goes against what EVE should be like.. it would be pretty simple to patch this into oblivion.. that would relegate titans to more of a 'getting to the fight quickly' role.. if you wanted to hot drop in earnest you'd have to commit caps, upping the risk factor a lot.

- only allow one ship through a bridge every 5 seconds
- make ships appear off grid from the cyno
- institute a mass limitation so only a handful of ships can jump through at once..

any of these, or many others would break titan bridging.. i feel it should be broken.. EVE was more enjoyable before people hot dropped everything.

Titan bridges are the only way to deal with cowardly scrubs that run at the sight of anything close to their size. Make local not such an easy intel tool and then you can fiddle with bridges. Scout alts + easy intel local = no surprise at all without a titan bridge. A lot of people in this thread have been saying there is no risk in titan bridging. Well I'll counter there is no risk in camping a gate or station with scouts in all directions multiple jumps out. Nearly impossible to kill unless they are asleep at the keyboard.

Edit: Add to that fleets shooting pocos or POSes.

I do see where you are coming from, and how a lot of people would just gang up on even a shuttle. But let me spin it right back at you. Don't you think that those cowardly scrubs if they had a titan would actually start using it to blob a shuttle? (obviously not a shuttle, cause that would be just sad, but you get my exaggeration). And as for countering a gate camp... I've seen successful gate-camp crashes from a much smaller fleet... the power of Remote Repairs (RR) is impressive. Now tell me, how can you counter an alliance who bridges on you whom you have never heard of, or a group of individuals with nothing in common suddenly hotdropping on you (yeah, not the same corp, not the same alliance, but they had one thing in common... they all came from a titan bridge).

Now my good sir, be so kind and tell me, what kind of modules in EvE can counter Titan-Bridges, just as RR ships can counter a gate camp? Don't start preaching you can set out scouts to find the titans and blah blah blah. Work with the scenario I told you, cause it is exactly what happened to us. So? Any clever thoughts? Let me add some more flavor to this... You have never seen them in your PIPE or even in the high-sec systems around your hunting ground. So? Any clever solutions?

If you got nothing, then maybe you need to think a little more. And maybe you should start realizing that comparing a gatecamp risk's factor with that of a Titan-Bridge's risk as being zero... is a laughfable statement, and even those who use Titans (but wouldn't admit what I am about to state openly) for bridging are having a good laughter by now.

I believed I told someone before, that this is not an Amateur Comedy show for you to debue

And if you are intelligent, you would not respond and continue this pointless discussion

[quote=Chandaris] But, Chandaris, you say you would show up with 5 BC's and we will run like roaches, that is CAUSE you cyno every single ship you can. Well, maybe not every ship, but most of them. And the reason we chase you with a 15 man fleet with logi is cause one of your 5 BC's will cyno and drop a fleet of 30 over our heads like you have done in the past. Thanks for showing interest in my Forum-Post. I do appreciate it :)

But, if you guys are willing to 5 vs 5 us, we got no problem at all, we would actually enjoy that fight very much. But we will have to do it when you Log-Off your Titan pilots... all 5 of them. When that happens, we will fight you 5 vs 5... although I am a little dubious that some of your guys if not all, will honor the 5 vs 5 duel.

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

Chandaris... my dear Chandaris... You are Shadow Cartel... You guys are capable of fleeting a good set of ships that compliment one another.

Everyone... Chandaris is part of the alliance I was talking about that they have hotdropped us, but unlike the other alliances hotdropping us, they got skills. But, Chandaris, you say you would show up with 5 BC's and we will run like roaches, that is CAUSE you cyno every single ship you can. Well, maybe not every ship, but most of them. And the reason we chase you with a 15 man fleet with logi is cause one of your 5 BC's will cyno and drop a fleet of 30 over our heads like you have done in the past. Thanks for showing interest in my Forum-Post. I do appreciate it :)

But, if you guys are willing to 5 vs 5 us, we got no problem at all, we would actually enjoy that fight very much. But we will have to do it when you Log-Off your Titan pilots... all 5 of them. When that happens, we will fight you 5 vs 5... although I am a little dubious that some of your guys if not all, will honor the 5 vs 5 duel.

Would you like some cheese with that?

Boo, other people have ISK and friends and can do things I can't. Yes the titan is safe, but the titan isn't fighting you is it. They still risk their bait and fleet, no different than any gang. You are just butthurt and jealous. Next time prepare and either gank their bait or snipe etc. I see no problem with titan bridges. Not that hard to not fall for bait, titan bridging is not OP Its just a luxury, a 100b isk luxury., one they van lose witha single fuckup. Guess what someone had to grind for that titan, you dont want to, thats your choice. You are just jealous and thus cry nerf.

I dont have access to a titan butmy corp could grind the isk and we just might, when we do ill think. Of you and your tears.

Titans arent the problem you are.

there are too many lowsec baddies posting here, whining about how ppl don't visit their home lowsec systems anymore and that they need a titan to catch anything

Didnt squids kill your titan recently?

nope, i helped kill one tho.

anywho you're making your corp look like **** when you start posting zero content (kinda like your pvp style i imagine)

If you had any ability to intel-gather at all, you would know that respecting 1v1's and pre-arranged fights is a founding principle of our alliance, and failure to comply with that golden rule on the part of anyone of our pilots results in ejection from our corp.

It's not like it's not written on our alliance description or anything.

i stopped to believe to word written in public accessible places... i dunno.... like 20 years ago?

"wahhh i got titanbridged on , nerf titans wahhh" Getting titan bridged on is like getting scammed , if you fall for it then you deserve it.

Titan bridging is easy to counter , be prepared for it or warp the **** off when a cyno goes up instead of going "Hmmm..there's a shiney orb next to the ship we are Ganking....i should do something....but what is it.....HMMMMMMM...OH YES , I SHOULD GET THE **** OUT."
( Here's a kicker. If you get bridged on , you were most likely ganking somebody. But you probably forgot that with the cry's of terror when you saw a cyno huh and went "that's unfair! i was ganking this poor soul!" )

Anywho....
There is a considerable delay between jumping through a bridge to a cyno and loading grid. also if you account for the pilot(s) reaction time to actually click jump , load grid and lock you up it's about 4-6 seconds. PLENTY of time for you to make a decision to warp off, burn away or brawl. You may lose the poor scrub who got tackled but this is eve, **** explodes all the time.
If you find this unfair , go back to highsec where you belong because you aren't in the correct mindset to be in low/null.

[quote=Chandaris]i stopped to believe to word written in public accessible places... i dunno.... like 20 years ago?

We have scouted, and we have found out about some of the Titan pilots... but then a new Alliance or Coalition comes in and drops a fleet over our heads, then another one, and another one, and so on. Would you believe me if I told you after we got wrecked by a 16 man fleet hotdrop, we chased them and forced them to log off in stations with a fleet of 6? Would you? Their biggest ship was BCs (several of them), our biggest ships were BCs too (we only had 2 of them). We chased them with our fleet so that we could kill as many of them as possible before going down... yeah, we did. Guess what they did. They warp to me, their scout jumps in the system where my 5 friends are, and all of their fleet scatters like roaches from the gate we were at... After they trashed talked for like 5 min they logged off. 10 min later they log back on and run. This is what we have to deal with, with bigger fleets that catch us by surprise but run like cowards at the sight of fleet put together to counter them (even if they outnumber us by 3 to 1).




So you know, I too would do a Titan-Bridge on an unsuspecting fleet for the LOLs of it. But I WOULD REFUSE to use it a Warfare Tactic against a small corp or coalition. I would give the small corp a fighting chance... and believe me, PvPing in EVE would be far more fun than it is right now. IF I were to use a Titan-Bridge as a warfare tactic to BLOB a fleet on a daily basis, I am pretty much admitting that I am scared of that corp and that I don't have what it takes to PvP. SO MY GOOD SIR, I AM NOT THE ONE WITH THE ATTITUDE WHO IS KILLING EVE, BUT YOU ARE. Denial at its finest. YOU REFUSE TO SEE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES AND SHOW SUPREMACY BY TAKING ON THE SMALLER CORP ON AN EQUAL FOOTING. Go use your Titans against corporations that can use Titans too. All you are doing is picking on the weaker corporations so to make your kill-board look better. Hence, the definition of coward. Now, If you have a brain you would realize that what I am saying is true, and that you do have access to better resources at your disposal than corporations like mine. And if you are intelligent, you would not respond and continue this pointless discussion. But if you do not see eye to eye with me, then please realize that I will just agree to disagree with you. Have yourself a nice day, and keep on flying with the you belief that I am the one ruining EvE.

Taunting you and ridiculing you any further will defeat the purpose of this Forum-Post, and it will derail this Post away from my scope of posting this forum. So do me a favor (and also the likes of you) to please move along. You are welcomed to post a discussion board about my POST, and i will be more than happy to join that post and discuss with you to your hearts content.

Now, for the rest of my peers that have something constructive to add to this forum, I MUST APOLOGIZE for taking such a lengthy post to respond to this coward and the likes of him.

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

I dont think it matters ether way. If you take away the Titan Bridge it will just take a little longer for them to get to you. They might lose 4 or 5 ships bit for the most part you still have to deal with there fleet. So what will be next to take away?

You severely underestimate the power of Sloth. The mere fact that they would have to spend 10 minutes to get to you would instantly remove 99% of all the cases .. and that is not even taking into account that the fight is probably over (or the quarry gone) by the time 'da blob' makes it on scene.

With bridges removed (not likely)/restricted (probably), people would have to start roaming around in combat capable gangs again rather than jumping a single over-kill fleet around to cyno's opened by alts ..

seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops

*Sigh* Going to make me use the 300 reference...
The 300 Spartans wouldn't have been able to fight the Persians if the Persians were able to teleport right into the middle of Athens.

*Sigh* Going to make me use the 300 reference...
The 300 Spartans wouldn't have been able to fight the Persians if the Persians were able to teleport right into the middle of Athens.

I tend to scout hostile alliances and put Titan pilots on watchlist. That way I know they're ready to drop on me.

We are approaching (or have already passed) the point where Titan's are essentially omni-present .. nerf their function outside of their own domain (null) and then nerf it some more just to be sure!

, fapping on a Titan pretending to be elite and all, but I supposes the special kids need their PvP as well

as opposed to fapping around in a dessie pretending to be elite and all, but I suppose the risk averse kids need their PvP as well ;)

Hotdropping disincentivises certain fleet compositions (slow, high-power battleships, for example), which isn't fun for the players who enjoy flying them, but at the same time hotdropping is a perfectly valid tactic and gimping it too much isn't going to be fun for the players who enjoy using it.

The solution is simple - fly nano, care naught for hotdroppers :)

hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk

1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends
2. You shoot a solo dude
3. The solo dude evens things up
4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums

c/d??

only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.

boohoo

Aww come on, as if hotdroppers would be looking for an equal fight.
They hotdrop people that are alone in a Belt ratting or if they catch someone off guard.
If there are more than they are nobody will uncloak.
Don't pretend you "even things out", it makes you look bad.

hypocrisy strikes you for over 9000kk

1. You gate camp with your 6-10 friends
2. You shoot a solo dude
3. The solo dude evens things up
4. You cry like a little ***** to the forums

c/d??

only difference is they invest 100b whilst you sit there in your 100m piece of junk.

boohoo

You made a choice to not partake in a big part of the game. That's fine but don't go ranting on if it happens to be a slight inconvenience for you when you're hiding away in unconquerable space. Hot drop's are a fun mechanic promoting fights and with the blop's changes it's more viable to run a ghetto version of it.

Yea lets dumb the game down so some incompetent lowsec bears can camp hisec gates in relative safety.

the butthurt and emo rage is strong in this thread... All this cos a bigger fish pi55ed in ur pond hahahahaha

why should something be fair?

Cause I'm paying for it? Gee I dunno. If I was looking to pay for something that is unfair, I would just stick to real life and no games. I thought playing games was to have fun... sorry must have missed the memo where it says games are here to break your ****, and "EvE" is your second life.. for which you have to pay.

I already do pay for something completely unfair... and that is my university degree for which my professor finds it fair to belt curve my mark down from an A to a B+ so that they can show to the program director "Hey! Look here how hard my course is, that no-one can get a good mark easily. *wink* *wink*". Sure I'm butthurt on this regard, and do occasionally tear up when I'm trying to understand a professor that can't explain worth of *** and can't speak Engrish worth of ***... my bad, Engrish he speaks it fluently, it is English he was having hard time with. So I study harder than I should, since my TA's are garbage and my teacher is a moron who only has time for you if you got shaved legs and a pair of nice melons (I know cause we put it to the test, we sent a guy and a girl to ask the same question, guess who received the help and who didn't)... I might as well as just study from home (since half the time my professor is trying to clean the droll from his mouth due to lack of dopamine injections) and just end up paying $10 for my diploma after I've written every single exam for my program.

Hello everyone,

I am writing this forum page in hope to get CCPGÇÖs attention. To get CCPGÇÖs attention, I first need to get my fellow peers attention. The purpose of this forum is to discuss whether Titan Bridging in Low-Sec should have any sort of LIMITATIONS or INDICATIONS of a possible bridging.

The reason behind this is because, my corporation along with our coalition live in low sec , and we have been bridged 6 times by bigger coalitions and stronger alliances ON DECEMBER ALONE . Obviously if you got a Titan at your disposal, you certainly have a bigger advantage on smaller corporations. Now, wrecking a gate camp or a roaming fleet of 5 ships with 30 to 40 ships thanks to Titan Bridges, whether they have SKILLS OR NOT is a different forum Topic .

My propositions are:
1. Limitation
My propositions regarding Limitation are a lot, but I will propose only one of my ideas. My idea regarding limitation on a Titan Bridge would be to limit a Titan Bridge to Null-Sec area only. By doing so, those who CAN Titan Bridge will have to deal with corporations and alliances that can do the same.

2. Indication
My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe. Such a thing should be possible for ships that have a Cyno fitted to it. By doing so, you give a chance to the pilot to decide whether he/she should or shouldnGÇÖt spring the trap.

As things stand right now, corporations that own Titans have a huge field advantage over smaller corporations.

Note: Please, use and post on this forum only if you have Pros. Vs Cons to point out for my propositions. Otherwise you are humbly requested to ignore and not post anything unconstructively. Thank you for your collaboration.

Saying "butthurt and emo rage" only leaves me with on comment to make "How... fragile of a princess are you? That at the sight of hearing or reading something you don't agree with instantly makes you feel like you are showering in "carebear" tears."

Okay! More comments to make.

This is quiet pathetic at most.

Saying butthurt is quiet offensive to those who actually are. Saying the things you said in your comments is like a 40 year old virgin saying he is not one cause he had *** with a pie. Well, sorry there Buzz Lightyear, I forgot how fragile your shell is that anything that doesn't go your way, your world is shattered and all of the sudden your life makes no sense so it is time to turn into Yosemite Sam.

How thin thy skin ar? Rage?! Butthurt?! Do you live in a glass house? Grow up and start wearing big boy/girl clothes and don't forget your apple... everyone knows that is the sure way to get to your teachers good side... in your case bring the whole darn farm.

Now listen Daffy Duck, my tears is not the topic, the topic is "Titan Bridges"... For the life of me I don't know how you could have missed that. Do you need a personal memo or something? Well, whether you want one or not here it is in the form of me fisting at you in disappointment. If my tears you want... well you got them, in the form of disappointment and regret... in the same form as Carl Grimes had when he didn't put down the same zombie that bit and killed Hershel Greene. I liked Hershel, and for the life of me I put down the zombie in the forest, but this one zombie has friends, that constantly get up and somehow have enough skills to type letters into words and form sentences.

Sorry to break it to you Sherlock, but you and your kind of lonely trolls need to stop trying to find any deeper meaning so to make a meager attempt at understand my psyche, and to make some cheap remarks that a 5th grader can make (unless you are stuck in that phase... I am sorry and completely disregard this post).

In order to understand the psyche of your fellow human beings, you need a level of certain "deduction reasoning" (you lack plenty), a certain level of intelligence (you lack here too) and most definitely a magnifying glass so that you can read between lines (in this case you will need an electron microscope). I said what I wanted to say, straight forward and was not holding back any feelings (or tears) as you so very much enjoy to point out like all the other zombies. Yes you have enough deduction reasoning & logic as that of Inspector Gadget... ehem! I mean as much as that toaster he has hidden somewhere in his cranium.

Go on, and live your life, but get a thicker skin, cause it takes a lot more to make me a possible candidate for a role in the movie Angry Management.... 2

A wall of rage that doesnt make sense and naming as many fictional characters as he can to make himself look smart

I already do pay for something completely unfair... and that is my university degree for which my professor finds it fair to belt curve my mark down from an A to a B+

If I was looking to pay for something that is unfair, I would BUY A LOKI BOOSTER.

We have scouted, and we have found out about some of the Titan pilots... but then a new Alliance or Coalition comes in and drops a fleet over our heads, then another one, and another one, and so on. Would you believe me if I told you after we got wrecked by a 16 man fleet hotdrop, we chased them and forced them to log off in stations with a fleet of 6? Would you? Their biggest ship was BCs (several of them), our biggest ships were BCs too (we only had 2 of them). We chased them with our fleet so that we could kill as many of them as possible before going down... yeah, we did. Guess what they did. They warp to me, their scout jumps in the system where my 5 friends are, and all of their fleet scatters like roaches from the gate we were at... After they trashed talked for like 5 min they logged off. 10 min later they log back on and run. This is what we have to deal with, with bigger fleets that catch us by surprise but run like cowards at the sight of fleet put together to counter them (even if they outnumber us by 3 to 1).


So you know, I too would do a Titan-Bridge on an unsuspecting fleet for the LOLs of it. But I WOULD REFUSE to use it a Warfare Tactic against a small corp or coalition. I would give the small corp a fighting chance... and believe me, PvPing in EVE would be far more fun than it is right now. IF I were to use a Titan-Bridge as a warfare tactic to BLOB a fleet on a daily basis, I am pretty much admitting that I am scared of that corp and that I don't have what it takes to PvP. SO MY GOOD SIR, I AM NOT THE ONE WITH THE ATTITUDE WHO IS KILLING EVE, BUT YOU ARE. Denial at its finest. YOU REFUSE TO SEE THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES AND SHOW SUPREMACY BY TAKING ON THE SMALLER CORP ON AN EQUAL FOOTING. Go use your Titans against corporations that can use Titans too. All you are doing is picking on the weaker corporations so to make your kill-board look better. Hence, the definition of coward. Now, If you have a brain you would realize that what I am saying is true, and that you do have access to better resources at your disposal than corporations like mine. And if you are intelligent, you would not respond and continue this pointless discussion. But if you do not see eye to eye with me, then please realize that I will just agree to disagree with you. Have yourself a nice day, and keep on flying with the you belief that I am the one ruining EvE.

Taunting you and ridiculing you any further will defeat the purpose of this Forum-Post, and it will derail this Post away from my scope of posting this forum. So do me a favor (and also the likes of you) to please move along. You are welcomed to post a discussion board about my POST, and i will be more than happy to join that post and discuss with you to your hearts content.

Now, for the rest of my peers that have something constructive to add to this forum, I MUST APOLOGIZE for taking such a lengthy post to respond to this coward and the likes of him.

You're really QQing about larger corps not playing fair with smaller corps? You do realize your tears just encouraged a dozen more pilots to buy a Titan to drop you with?

Sure I'm butthurt on this regard, and do occasionally tear up

should he light cyno and have nothing pointed and youstill get caught (light cyno - open bridge - jump through bridge - load grid - start targeting ... it takes quite some time), then proceed to uninstall eve or seek a different activity because you're bad at PVP amd honestly don't see it.

That sums up this thread. 1 v 1 in destroyers anyone?

As things stand right now, corporations that own Titans have a huge field advantage over smaller corporations.

Okay, I don't have a problem with a ship having some sort of indication that it has a cyno on it. But as for putting a limit on it, I have to disagree. This is a sandbox game; and the more limits put into the game, the less of a sandbox it will become. And I came to Eve because its a sandbox.

Now, the concept of not allowing titans in low sec because they can't be built there has been brought up. Specifically, the idea that no Empire would allow them to come into their territory. Well, low sec isn't exactly their territory. Its territory like the Old West was to the United States. Sure, the US claimed it, but what the US government said didn't have a whole lot of bearing on the lives of the people in the Old West. That's why the 4 empires have 'hired' corps (Faction Warfare) to fight for them. They need hired guns. Now, producing a titan is a large project and something that could be seen without a lot of trouble. That's why they can't be built in low sec (in terms of lore).

However, just because you can't build it (or sell it) doesn't mean you can't possess one in low sec. In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them. Also happens with adult entertainment toys, too; I guess politicians in some states are afraid that their girlfriend/wife/mistress is going to replace them with a piece of latex plastic. My point is... ownership and production of products are different. So quit the lore arguments...

As for the 'unfairness' of it, this is Eve. One of the things that attracts people to Eve is how smarter players who take advantage of an advantage get rewarded for it. You like to gate-camp; some people might not consider that 'real' PvP. You do, and that's okay. However, it seems you have an issue with people ambushing you just like you ambush others. Sure, someone could send a scout ahead to watch out for gate camps; but, I don't own an alt account or even an alt. That's my choice; but, I don't complain when I fly into a gatecamp and get stomped for it. I suck it up... acknowledge this is Eve and go about my day.

As I pointed out, there are counters to gatecamps. People have given you counters to titan bridges, but you don't want to implement them. That's not their fault. I also hate to tell you, but one of the best ways to break a gatecamp is to drop a cyno. Why? Because it does put the fear of who-knows-what's coming into the gate campers. Hell, I had someone tell me to throw a cyno on my ship and threaten to pop it when I come into a gate camp. He said he's even managed to ransom gate campers on the threat of cyno, in a single ship.

You might not like it; but, titan bridging is part of the game. And just because you don't want to use the counters that have been suggested doesn't mean they should removed from the game. The more and more limitations added, the more and more Eve will lose its sandbox quality that we all love.

You do sound a bit... defensive about this. Someone who ambushes (gatecamps) is upset by the fact that someone else ambushed (titan bridged) them. It sounds a bit hypocritical to me. But I'm still new to Eve Online, so what do I know. Well, I know that if I saw a cyno go up while I was gate camping that I'd be warping to the nearest celestial ASAP...

OP - "You have 150 billion ISK and I only have 150 million...fair or not?"

OP - "why can't i hold all these tears?"

My proposition on this matter is that ships that have a Cynosural Field Generator I (or for that matter any type of Cyno modules) should have some physical property on the ship that they are fitted just as turrets do. When you click Look At on a ship, an experienced PvP pilot can recognize and distinguish different type of turrets installed on a ship to asses his/her chances of winning an engagement against his/her foe.

Do you approach a battleship that has no guns?

In many places in the United States of America, the production of 'adult entertainment videos' is illegal; however, you can still buy them and own them personally. There are even places in the United States, its illegal to sell them; but, you can own them.

Best quote of the thread. Eve Universe = United States, and Titans = "Adult Videos"

show me on the doll where the nasty piwates hotdropped you


seriously all these people bitching about titan hotdrops. its easily avoidable just get scouts in the titan home systems, be intelligent, its not difficult. This new eve attitude is what is killing eve. 'oh noes somthign that beats me, i must forum complain about the mechanics rather than think of a solution via ingame methods'

Man is it "Titan Bridge Awareness Month" or something? Get over it .. there will aways be a bigger fish and there is nothing you can say on the forums that will bring yor space pixels back to life.

Posting in a thread where people want to take the last thing from a Titan other than being a giant POS ornament...

Why not just reduce their range and how many ships they can jump at once? In lowsec though I don't think I've ever seen a full fleet bridged anywhere, usually it is 20-60 people.