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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:04:00 -
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CCP Abraxas is very fond of telling you all dark and disturbing stories from the depths of New Eden.
Today though, he's here to talk to you about the Fiction Portal, and the recent explosion of content that has been seen due to the valiant efforts of our ISD Mercury team.
You can read all about the latest additions to the Fiction Portal, and find out more about ISD Mercury in his latest Dev Blog.
Enjoy! CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á-á@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents
-- Disciple Of The Delicious Tea -- |
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Fish Alabel
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:08:00 -
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first.
ontopic i really like the update :) keep it up |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:11:00 -
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Fantastic! All these stories and pieces of background information ... just incredible. If you haven't checked the Fiction Portal, you definitely should as there is so much to discover!
Many thanks for this to CCP Abraxas, all the ISD volunteers from the Mercury team and everyone else involved. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:15:00 -
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O_o I call shenanigans! i was definitely first a minute ago?
Anywho \o/ more things to read!!!! - Nulla Curas |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:15:00 -
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I have to agree that ISD Mercury are awesome, and have done a phenomenal amount of work since their formation to make the EVE Wiki really come alive.
Props to those guys, and I look forward to buying them much deserved and well earned beer at Fanfest for their outstanding contribution to EVE.

CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á-á@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents
-- Disciple Of The Delicious Tea -- |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:34:00 -
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First off good job on team mercury, they've given science fiction fanatics alot of things to go digest and a stronger background.
When are articles going to hit front page status again? they seemed to be shoved out of the way into the community again instead of showing up on news tickers and the sorts.
Heck I didn't know the Gallente had a planet bombarded by the serpentis until I went looking for it in the community site.
Also can someone poke the bot to update missile names the evelopedia item list still lists the old names.
and I suck at writing to be honest... I rather let more capable, cultured, and better read people handle it.
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:34:00 -
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I agree that Mercury is spectacular. People who are interested in the backstory and like writing should definitely try applying. It's very rewarding. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:35:00 -
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If only CCP would stop poaching our best writers ...

Mighty fine job done by everyone involved. Now on to the next batch! ISD Sheliak Mesarthim ~ ISD Mercury |
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Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:42:00 -
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Great to hear there's more juicy lore nuggets to read. That's my productivity out the window for Christmas.
Hi fives and thanks to all involved in breathing new life into old stories. You're beautiful people. :) Freebooted - Tech4 News - Incarna: The Text Adventure - Guild Launch EVE Correspondent |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
818
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:51:00 -
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I like.
Started reading few days ago  |
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Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:51:00 -
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More lore! \o/
Also really liking the sound of this:
Quote:While the staff at CCP have been busying themselves on live events and ongoing storyline (much more on those in an upcoming blog),... More lore is good, more lore making it onto the actual game is awesome! |
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ISD Archetys Traum
ISD AURORA
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:00:00 -
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim wrote: Mighty fine job done by everyone involved. Now on to the next batch!
Agreed. Once more unto the breach...
Well done to everyone in Mercury. I've been regularly inspired by the work being produced within the team, and look forward to many years of further enthrallment working on this ever-expanding universe with such a creative bunch.
Come join us, imaginative eggers. All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream - Poe |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5852
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:16:00 -
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Awesome! Mmmm ore!! I mean LORE!!
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ISD Archetys Traum
ISD AURORA
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:28:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Awesome! Mmmm ore!! I mean LORE!!
Mine it. Mine it good. All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream - Poe ISD Archetys Traum - Mercury |
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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:32:00 -
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CCP Abraxas <3
My compliments to CCP Eterne and other hard workers. While EVElopedia still has gaping holes here and there the lore is really overwhelmingly good. FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1 |

Arydanika
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:36:00 -
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Fiction portal is better than ever and I'm loving all the new ~words~. Big ups to Abraxus and the lore team. You have made many nerds including this one very happy.
Edit: I'd also like you all to know the wiki is my inspiration for all of my terrible Monday Eve Online puns on Twitter. Runner of Voices from the Void podcast, Eve Online Pod Pack & DJ on eve-radio.com Sundays at 1800.-á Organizer of the ATX Eve Online Meet. GÖÑ |

Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:46:00 -
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Abraxas is back??? Wasn't he fired or something?
Sooo happy he's with us again! Didn't miss a single chron. Not to mention books! ;) << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |

Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:52:00 -
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Abraxas! He's alive!  |

Bariolage
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:53:00 -
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Thank you for contributing so much to our game. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:55:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:Abraxas is back??? Wasn't he fired or something?
Sooo happy he's with us again! Didn't miss a single chron. Not to mention books! ;)
Abraxas was never let go. Everyone here has read his stories and know bad things would happen. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
148
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:13:00 -
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Time to put an 'Eve Fiction Portal' link in the Eve Universe links list at the top right of the forums? Fear God and Thread Nought |

mkint
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:42:00 -
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While I respect the work put into the backstory by a handful of people, it's sad how divorced it all is from what is actually experienced in-game.
To be honest, I haven't been keeping up on the lore stuff for a couple years, once I realized that what I read there, and what I experience in the game have absolutely nothing to do with eachother. I liked most of what I had read, when I was reading it, but it wasn't EVE. (I'd probably have rather played in the universe that I had read about, in truth.)
When I tried to get back into it a year or two ago, and started asking how, I was basically told that I wasn't welcome. I don't know what the culture is like right now among the fiction people. I'm probably not going to even try to get into the fiction again. It's just sad how unapproachable the fiction is to pretty much the entire playerbase. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |

Echo Mande
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:46:00 -
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Should be an interesting read.
Since ISD Mercury is active (again?) will we be seeing ISD Aurora also coming back from the archives? |

Bloodpetal
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:47:00 -
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Great job guys, can't wait to get reading!
I did hear these rumors about Tony not working for CCP... I really don't understand where they came from either.
I'm really curious to see what you've gone in and fleshed out on these societies. I'm sure the Amarr RP nerds are going crazy. Give the Minmatar some love :)
Where I am. |
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:15:00 -
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Echo Mande wrote:Since ISD Mercury is active (again?) Mercury was never really inactive. We just shifted from doing news articles to doing wiki articles.
Bloodpetal wrote: I did hear these rumors about Tony not working for CCP... I really don't understand where they came from either.
Tony left CCP before Templar One was released, if memory serves. Abraxas and plenty other awesome story buffs are still with the company though.
Bloodpetal wrote:I'm really curious to see what you've gone in and fleshed out on these societies. I'm sure the Amarr RP nerds are going crazy. Give the Minmatar some love :)
I'm sure we'll see some Minmatar stuff shortly, and with the Amarr and Gallente stuff we have a great level of quality to aim for with that. The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. - Thomas Paine ISD Sheliak Mesarthim - ISD Mercury |
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:23:00 -
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It's some serious output thats for sure.
A massive personal thanks from me to all the Mercury members and Staff at CCP (past and present) for adding a, pretty enthralling, read to accompany the best ship-destruction game available on the planet.
(As someone who was pre-teen when the BBC came out what HAS been done is monumental)
Seriously, Remote Beer Deployment - Training to 5
Get in the van, park it over there. |

Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:07:00 -
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\o/ hurray for team mercury. Thats an awesome amount of contect. 
thank you very much, indeed. |
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ISD Galen
ISD AURORA
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:29:00 -
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Please do apply if you are interested in contributing, i-¦m always looking for good writers! I cannot promise you you will get in but i can promise you a great time in a very creative, fun and sometimes very strange team. |
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Alain Colcer
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:49:00 -
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thank you thank you thank you a thousand times |
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ISD Vance Siterman
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:04:00 -
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Aw, shucks!
If you guys have any questions whatsoever about the content provided, feel free to post them here. I wrote the bulk of the Gallente and Caldari content, so I can answer your questions about those in particular. CCP Eterne can answer your questions about the Amarr content. Do feel free to point out any errors and contradictions, too! With thousands of words to go through, there's bound to some here and there, and we all know the reputation of EVE players and their ability to pick out even the slightest mishap from CCP =P |
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim
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Posted - 2012.12.17 20:34:00 -
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ISD Galen wrote:Please do apply if you are interested in contributing, i-¦m always looking for good writers! I cannot promise you you will get in but i can promise you a great time in a very creative, fun and sometimes very strange team. I also believe we've consistently maintained some of the largest showings at Fanfest out of all the ISD teams, despite being the smallest. So for anyone thinking of buying us a beer, know that you might end up blobbed.
 The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. - Thomas Paine ISD Sheliak Mesarthim - ISD Mercury |
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Dierdra Vaal
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2012.12.17 20:49:00 -
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Thanks, I always love reading the backstories of New Eden. :)
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
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Posted - 2012.12.17 21:19:00 -
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You guys sure seem to like each other.....
CCP Abraxas wrote:...though if he doesn't at least slow down a little in the new year, the rest of us may be forced to kill and eat him in order to ensure our own job security. CCP Eterne wrote:Abraxas was never let go. Everyone here has read his stories and know bad things would happen. So one simple request from me: Do NOT kill, maim or devour each other. You have both done to many great things for the EvE back story, and are bound to much more for it in the future. You cannot be missed...
And I salute team Mercury. Keep up the good work. I for one enjoy it. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Crevo Helion
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:01:00 -
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Awesome work guys and girls! Can't wait to see more backstory for the Minmatar  |
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CCP Abraxas
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:28:00 -
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Katrina Bekers wrote:Abraxas is back??? Wasn't he fired or something? As others have noted: Never left, still here. This coming Feb I'll celebrate my 10th anniversary working for the game, half of it as a GM and half as a writer.
On that note, though ...
Bloodpetal wrote:I did hear these rumors about Tony not working for CCP... I really don't understand where they came from either. I'm curious as to how many people think/thought I'm Tony Gonzales. I always thought we were pretty dissimilar both in our writing style and in personal appearance.
mkint wrote:To be honest, I haven't been keeping up on the lore stuff for a couple years, once I realized that what I read there, and what I experience in the game have absolutely nothing to do with eachother. I liked most of what I had read, when I was reading it, but it wasn't EVE. (I'd probably have rather played in the universe that I had read about, in truth.) This may be taking a mildly skewed angle on the point you wanted to make, but in short: We've been making efforts to tie the lore more in with the in-game experience, partly by hosting live events (much more on that in another blog early in the New Year), and partly by focusing some of our writing on in-game entities (including factions and planets). That being said, the lore has never been aimed to directly recount your experience in-game. It'd be a shoddy, second-rate show if we tried. Instead, we try to paint the backdrop, to give you the idea of the ripples you've caused in the world, rather than just documenting the splash itself.
Echo Mande wrote:Since ISD Mercury is active (again?) will we be seeing ISD Aurora also coming back from the archives? Can't answer that at the present time. Right now, the events are being conducted by an in-house team.
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:So one simple request from me: Do NOT kill, maim or devour each other.  There'll be no bodily harm done to our new writers. However, there is this thing called Viking Endurance that both I and Gnauton go to, and we won't rest until Eterne and the rest have signed up for it as well. It's the kind of thing where the first week just makes you want to die, and then after that you don't ever want to stop. |
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ISD Marela Nadirones
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Posted - 2012.12.18 05:16:00 -
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Damn it, Eterne and Siterman, look at you both going and being so awesome.
Congratulations!
CCP Abraxas wrote:Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:So one simple request from me: Do NOT kill, maim or devour each other.  There'll be no bodily harm done to our new writers. However, there is this thing called Viking Endurance that both I and Gnauton go to, and we won't rest until Eterne and the rest have signed up for it as well. It's the kind of thing where the first week just makes you want to die, and then after that you don't ever want to stop.
No maiming, no devouring ... huh? Since when? Did I miss an important meeting?
Oh, wait! New writers. Never mind.
Hello there, potential new writers. Sssh. Do not be alarmed. Everything is fine. Just apply. |
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ISD Sharae Kalani
Polaris Corporation
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Posted - 2012.12.18 05:38:00 -
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mkint wrote:When I tried to get back into it a year or two ago, and started asking how, I was basically told that I wasn't welcome. I don't know what the culture is like right now among the fiction people. I'm probably not going to even try to get into the fiction again. It's just sad how unapproachable the fiction is to pretty much the entire playerbase. This is really quite unfortunate and I'm sorry you've faced those barriers. I hope you'll give the fiction another try one day! There's really quite a lot of good stuff in there.
Whether for hardcore RPers or just the casual reader, I'd like to think that as the Fiction Portal becomes better known among the playerbase more people will find it easier to hook into EVE's backstory. The nice thing is, as we add more articles to the portal, new and veteran players alike will have the opportunity to explore the new information together, so hopefully experiences like the one you described won't be repeated.
ISD Galen wrote:but i can promise you a great time in a very creative, fun and sometimes very strange team. Being part of Mercury is definitely a rewarding experience. Any writer who enjoys a creative challenge and is passionate about EVE's lore should consider signing up.
We're not that strange though.
Well. Maybe we are. ISD Mercury |
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.18 06:22:00 -
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so uh, which of the actual development threads are devs still reading? cause it seems like the answer is zero. Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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ISD Archetys Traum
ISD AURORA
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Posted - 2012.12.18 07:33:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote: I'm sure the Amarr RP nerds are going crazy. Give the Minmatar some love :)
Crevo Helion wrote:Awesome work guys and girls! Can't wait to see more backstory for the Minmatar 
A sentiment shared within the Mercury team. Love will find a way.
mkint wrote:While I respect the work put into the backstory by a handful of people, it's sad how divorced it all is from what is actually experienced in-game.
To be honest, I haven't been keeping up on the lore stuff for a couple years, once I realized that what I read there, and what I experience in the game have absolutely nothing to do with eachother. I liked most of what I had read, when I was reading it, but it wasn't EVE. (I'd probably have rather played in the universe that I had read about, in truth.)
I don't feel that it's divorced from the game experience as much as it doesn't yet match up with the potentialities of the sandbox experience. One of the main reasons I joined the team was a feeling that I think is akin to what you're describing in a way - that we play in a deterministic nonlinear system that needs a few lines to serve as those crucial initial conditions that our own play spins away from. To put it another way - there's so many directions to explore that there's enormous scope for writers, fans of RP and even the basic player to get lost in the jungle and start eating each other until they're found if some basic paths haven't been marked. So much of EVE is uncharted and unwritten, and I wanted to be a part of that, even if it amounted to no-more than a few 'Here Be Monsters' signs*.
I'd be interested in trying to identify exactly what it was that you feel was missing, so that the explorers of Mercury can venture forth and try and hack a path through the jungle towards it. While you might feel that there's a chasm between the actual in-game experience and what you're reading in the fiction, I'm one of the guys that will try his best to cross Springfield Gorge on a Tech II skateboard. And I'm not the only one.
You like what you read, which is great. You like what you're playing, which is also great. Hopefully Mercury now and in the future can bridge the gap. It's most likely going to take several thousand more thousands of words, but perhaps yourself or others can give us a heading. Or even join us and help?
mkint wrote:When I tried to get back into it a year or two ago, and started asking how, I was basically told that I wasn't welcome. I don't know what the culture is like right now among the fiction people. I'm probably not going to even try to get into the fiction again. It's just sad how unapproachable the fiction is to pretty much the entire playerbase.
Yikes. Unapproachable? It's just a harmless little bunny! Look, I can just go up and.....AAAARRGH! HELP ME! EEEEAAAARRGH! THE TEETH! I NEGLECTED GIVE THE BONES DUE ATTENTION! RAAAARRRGH!
ISD Sharae Kalani wrote: Being part of Mercury is definitely a rewarding experience. Any writer who enjoys a creative challenge and is passionate about EVE's lore should consider signing up.
We're not that strange though.
Well. Maybe we are.
Nah. We're all normally distributed in the head. Maybe a standard deviation out here or there.
* Obviously I'm talking about Rancer
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream - Poe ISD Archetys Traum - Mercury |
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Terra Mikael
GriefStyle
4
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Posted - 2012.12.18 07:54:00 -
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Cool, I roleplay too, bro.
/me puts on her robe and wizard hat. |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
405
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Posted - 2012.12.18 13:05:00 -
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You FOOLS, traitorous SWINE .. oh how I loathe you!
Having whined and moaned about CCP's choice to remove the RPG suffix to the game genre heading, this reinvigoration of the lore is FORCING me to spend Christmas reading all that new stuff .. BASTARDS! 
Very happy though. The new onus to lore will in the long-term do Eve more good than all the rebalancing efforts in the world ever could.
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
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Posted - 2012.12.18 14:24:00 -
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Awesome read so far! Special thanks to ISD Mercury :D
Uhm, and.. I'll just leave this here :p "for better of for worse" ( http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Luminate_Era_of_the_Gallente_Federation#Elite_Purges ) |

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
75
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Posted - 2012.12.18 15:34:00 -
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ISD Vance Siterman wrote:I wrote the bulk of the Gallente and Caldari content, so I can answer your questions about those in particular.
In writing the articles, did you have additional documentation to pull from beyond the chronicles, news articles, etc? Lai Dai Infinity Systems |

Paukinra
Big Diggers Relativity Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:23:00 -
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Very nice. I'm a big fan of this game's fluff hope to see more of it around |

Chip Assaultshakr
Inventory Management Systems
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:31:00 -
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does it end with 'then the universe shut down again' |

Angelica Scatterbrain
WH United
4
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Posted - 2012.12.18 16:40:00 -
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Enough of the gay fiction stuff. Play the game. |
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ISD Vance Siterman
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Posted - 2012.12.18 18:27:00 -
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Dex Nederland wrote:In writing the articles, did you have additional documentation to pull from beyond the chronicles, news articles, etc?
In the sense there is significant back-and-forth between Mercury writers and CCP, yes. The objective was to expand upon existing PF in chronicles and articles etc, by filling out the blanks and answering questions (with even more questions!), all without deviating from the core themes of the EVE IP. You can rest assured that anything in-house that is "secret" regarding back story is probably published in the new articles somewhere, at least with the Amarr and Gallente  |
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Utremi Fasolasi
The Jagged Edge Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.12.18 19:16:00 -
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Can we have a marker at the warp in of one of the temperate planets in Aclan that ties into the story about the environmental disaster there, and other lore tie ins in game? these little things help bring it alive.
Also, Mannar seems to have no presence in game other than the planet itself. Contrast to the Krusual, Thukker, and other non player bloodlines in the game. They need some love. |

Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
139
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Posted - 2012.12.19 01:07:00 -
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/me loves mercury. I just wish they could have done something about the immersion diminishing aspects of certain expansions and features, like the non-sensical mining turret bonus on the new barges/exhumers. I guess CCP removed the RPG suffix for a reason.
And I also hear complaints about the silent move of In Character and roleplayed news articles to a different category, as far as I can tell there's no RSS feed for it (or very hard to find), and the ingame billboards and news ticker in the CQ are also not up to date (presumably) because of this. Some people interested in following that stuff did not know about the more recent IC World news articles until I mentioned them.
Parts of the news page have been gathering dust for years now, and that looks rather unprofessional. Please do something with the neglected sections or archive and remove them.
Jeez, I look like I'm ungrateful now. Really I'm not, I love new lore, and Mercury and the IC can probably do little about these things, but there are some things that I think really and finally need to be looked at, so the IC can shine all the better. So, ISDs, go poke some devs about this.
Anyway, how many words/month would a Mercury volunteer need to produce? And can a volunteers write on the topics they prefer, or are they assigned to projects Contraband Smuggling: Player Assisted Customs |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.19 02:16:00 -
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This is so great!
Serious congratulations are in order to Mercury and the CCP Story team - your work makes this place a living, breathing universe.
Now all I need is a plushie Fedo  ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Sharae Kalani
Polaris Corporation
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Posted - 2012.12.19 04:30:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:I just wish they could have done something about the immersion diminishing aspects of certain expansions and features, like the non-sensical mining turret bonus on the new barges/exhumers. Ugh I guess CCP removed the RPG suffix for a reason. I like to think of changes to ship design/bonuses/slot layout similar to changes in automobile design in the real world. A car might have the same name for years and years, but successive generations aren't static. Think of how the Ford Mustang looked and what features it came with in 1964 vs 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004...
Some expansions like, say, Tyrannis could be explained away by blaming the sudden access to PI resources on cluster-wide bureaucracy. Baseliners fear and revere capsuleers but (generally speaking) governments are loathe to relax policy on anything that might hurt their tax dollar or local big business. Suddenly opening up planetary resources to capsuleers might just be the culmination of decades of red tape being cleared away. And no one empire is going to be left out if all the other ones are doing it! (This is just off the top of my head though, and not an official explanation of anything. :p)
Che Biko wrote:And I also hear complaints about the silent move of In Character and roleplayed news articles to a different category, as far as I can tell there's no RSS feed for it (or very hard to find) The existing RSS feeds haven't had articles published to them since July or so, but I don't know why. Not sure we can really do anything about it (nor the outdated areas of the news pages) but it's good to know people are looking for that content. Perhaps an actual CCPer will take note and pass this up the food chain. :)
Che Biko wrote:Anyway, how many words/month would a Mercury volunteer need to produce? And can a volunteers write on the topics they prefer, or are they assigned to projects No one looks over your shoulder to count how many words you've done in a given month. This is a volunteer position, after all. But having said that, there is of course a certain expectation of activity and accountability.
Some of us have particular areas of interest, while others might be interested in anything and everything they can get their hands on.
Two examples: For the wiki project, we compiled a huge list of topics; we've since had the freedom to individually claim the ones we wanted to write on first, and after those were done, claim more, and so on. Team members with overlapping interests have collaborated. For other things, CCP might ask us to contribute to a specific topic/assignment regardless of our individual areas interest, or at the least, assist others on the team with developing their ideas. Depending on the nature of a project, we may or may not have a hard deadline to meet.
It's quite fluid, actually. :) ISD Mercury |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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As a former Mercurian I approve of this blog. Congratulations to everyone involved, keep up the great work! CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire |
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Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
63
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:36:00 -
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Just driving by and bomb altot of people with "+1 likes"
Just love all the new work, is just great stuff. Big bear huge from me to all of you. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |

Ichabod Conk
GRUMPS RESEARCH TEAM Army of Dark Shadows
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Really great stuff, haven't read all of it but have enjoyed what I read. Recently you guys started the "What's your personality" quiz on the website. Although pretty simple, it was an easy way to get some of my friends interested in the game. In the spirit of continuing stuff like that, I really hope you guys package this great new content better in the future. For all of us invested in the game, we have no problem scrolling through a long list of stories to read about, heck we enjoy it. But for those who are trying to find more out to see if they want to play the list may be a little daunting. It would be awesome for the sake of advertising the game if you guys made a "What makes an Amarrian (if that's what you call them?)" "What makes a Caldarian (again unsure), interactive pages. Have a 3D of a person of that race. Let the person hover over different parts of the character to see different parts of their back ground. I.e. hovering over the hands of the character brings up a few stories about the art of the culture or some of the craftsmanship. Hovering over the mouth of the person might give a list of speeches from past leaders. Just a thought to help make the site more appealing to outsiders. Hope it helps and again thanks for all the great new content. |

Amitious Turkey
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Curses! As much as I would love to write something for my favorite game, I have a novel of my own I've been working on for the past 3 years. And I'm in college. I'm often forced to choose between studying and working on it...and I choose the latter far to often already.
I'd love to dig through the backstory again, I haven't done that in years. Nor have I picked up the novels! I just haven't had the time 
Maybe...maybe one of these days. I was always interested in those scientific articles. You know, the ones from years ago, which explained the origin of jumpgates and such. And if I had the opportunity I would love putting a spin on a chronicle. If I did this...I would have no life...
But I like the fluidity of deadlines and projects.
Grrrrr! Don't make me choose between two loves!  I like to lick things.
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Rachel Silverside
Handsome Millionaire Playboys RISE of LEGION
1
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ISD Vance Siterman wrote:Aw, shucks!
If you guys have any questions whatsoever about the content provided, feel free to post them here. I wrote the bulk of the Gallente and Caldari content, so I can answer your questions about those in particular. Cool, I have a few questions that I would very much like to have answers to.
So how widespread is trans-humanism in the Caldari State? I'm not talking about the artistic modifications favored by the Gallente, but augmentations like those from Eclipse Phase.
How wide spread is augmented reality in the Gallente Federation and the Caldari State?
How many alpha grade cities are there in the Gallente Federation and do the Caldari have anything comparable?
How well defended are Gallente and Caldari cities from lightning raids conducted by troops deployed via orbiting ships? I've got an idea for something and any clarification would help.
What's the buying power of a single ISK compared to the strongest planetary currency used within the Gallente Federation? If the answer could be delivered in ISK/planetary currency per gram of gold it would be greatly appreciated. I'm just throwing this one in so that I can work out the cost of a life size statue of my ego.
More questions might follow but these will do for now. Thanks in advance man. |
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ISD Vance Siterman
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:26:00 -
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Sure, Rachel! Take in mind, however, that content published on the Fiction Portal is vetted by both CCP and ISD Mercury members beforehand. So don't take the below as hard canon 
Quote:So how widespread is trans-humanism in the Caldari State? I'm not talking about the artistic modifications favored by the Gallente, but augmentations like those from Eclipse Phase.
Interesting link. Augmentations are expensive in New Eden, and not just for capsuleers. As the Caldari believe the pursuit of technology must benefit the whole (especially if it gives them a military or economic edge), individual citizens will not have any such modifications, unless their parent corporation requires it for occupational purposes. They're not the greatest fan of trans-humanism as an overarching principle, as such things have been shown to threaten the social fabric.
Quote:How wide spread is augmented reality in the Gallente Federation and the Caldari State?
Ah, augmented reality is a broad field, is it not? The applications of AR amongst the Gallente is likely limitless, which is just how they like it. In contrast, the everyday Caldari worker bee won't have much use for that sort of technology.
Quote:How many alpha grade cities are there in the Gallente Federation and do the Caldari have anything comparable?
Plenty . The Gallente like to show off their uniqueness, and will always ensure that their most famous cities are as distinct as possible, from each other as well as from cities outside the Federation. That being said, there are plenty of Caldari cities that provide equally top-notch living standards (at least to those who keep in line), maybe even better, they'll just appear very bland, boring, and featureless to a well-off Gallente.
Quote:How well defended are Gallente and Caldari cities from lightning raids conducted by troops deployed via orbiting ships? I've got an idea for something and any clarification would help.
Because of how the Gallente political system works and the diversity of the Federation, a whole variety of factors are drawn into account regarding how well their cities are defended. Some may rely on the Federation Military, others may use their own army, etc. Some may not be defended at all. The Caldari, on the other hand, like to remain consistent. Take a look at the in-game description for "The Citadel" region. That should give you an idea 
Quote:What's the buying power of a single ISK compared to the strongest planetary currency used within the Gallente Federation? If the answer could be delivered in ISK/planetary currency per gram of gold it would be greatly appreciated. I'm just throwing this one in so that I can work out the cost of a life size statue of my ego.
The dynamic nature of the Gallente economy and their markets means I probably couldn't deliver you a solid answer even if I wanted 
Hope that gives you an idea! We like to publish our fiction as guidelines, not rules, though. |
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
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ISD Vance Siterman wrote:The Caldari, on the other hand, like to remain consistent. So, many of us who have been playing Caldari for a long time are concerned about the idea that the Caldari are a homogeneous empire with little internal variation.
As an example, if someone had asked this question on Backstage.
Quote:How well defended are ... Caldari cities from lightning raids conducted by troops deployed via orbiting ships?
I might suggest that the actual mechanics of how this is done vary depending on the preferences of the prevailing Megacorporation and their preferred security contractor.
For example, a predominately Hyasyoda ran city might be relatively "light" on the actual physical defenses "preferring instead to protect its assets through superior intelligence networks" [1] and thus might prevent all but the most secretive of attackers from ever pulling off the raid.
SuVee, known for its ruthlessness, may actually design their cities to trap would be raiders inside its confines and slowly corner them, despite taking some losses.
For the Caldari, prior to EA, there were 8 large security corporations tied to each mega, the Caldari Navy is (was 6 years ago) the smallest of the empire navies, but had the most battleships, and Mordu's Legion who had close ties to the State as well. Any of the 8 and Mordu's might be on contract to defend a Caldari settlement or city. Lai Dai Infinity Systems |

Rachel Silverside
Handsome Millionaire Playboys RISE of LEGION
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ISD Vance Siterman wrote:Sure, Rachel! Take in mind, however, that content published on the Fiction Portal is vetted by both CCP and ISD Mercury members beforehand. So don't take the below as hard canon  Quote:So how widespread is trans-humanism in the Caldari State? I'm not talking about the artistic modifications favored by the Gallente, but augmentations like those from Eclipse Phase. Interesting link. Augmentations are expensive in New Eden, and not just for capsuleers. As the Caldari believe the pursuit of technology must benefit the whole (especially if it gives them a military or economic edge), individual citizens will not have any such modifications, unless their parent corporation requires it for occupational purposes. They're not the greatest fan of trans-humanism as an overarching principle, as such things have been shown to threaten the social fabric. Cool. On that note, how widespread are corporate sponsored implants and cybernetics? I would imagine that administrators, bodyguards and security forces all have varying augmentations, but to what degree are they augmented and do they end up owning the implants or are they still considered property of the corporation?
Quote:Quote:How well defended are Gallente and Caldari cities from lightning raids conducted by troops deployed via orbiting ships? I've got an idea for something and any clarification would help. Because of how the Gallente political system works and the diversity of the Federation, a whole variety of factors are drawn into account regarding how well their cities are defended. Some may rely on the Federation Military, others may use their own army, etc. Some may not be defended at all. The Caldari, on the other hand, like to remain consistent. Take a look at the in-game description for "The Citadel" region. That should give you an idea  That sort of attitude doesn't seem very helpful when Sansha's nation is busy abducting people. Still I would imagine that the Federation military is seeking to increase its powers in the face of Sansha's attacks. It'd make for an interesting dynamic in Federation politics, a new argument in favor of security over freedom.
Also, does the Gallente military prefer to leave strong garrisons of ships and troops within a system in order to make taking over difficult? Or do they go the Systems Alliance route from Mass Effect and leave a small garrison of troops and ships with multiple rapid reaction forces on standby in order to take a system back?
Quote: Hope that gives you an idea! We like to publish our fiction as guidelines, not rules, though.
Damn pirates and their "guidelines." But don't worry, if I ever get around to writing what I;m thinking of doing, then guidelines are all I need as I'll be bullshitting my way through a lot of it. |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
66
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:24:00 -
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ISD Vance Siterman wrote:Aw, shucks!
If you guys have any questions whatsoever about the content provided, feel free to post them here. I wrote the bulk of the Gallente and Caldari content, so I can answer your questions about those in particular. CCP Eterne can answer your questions about the Amarr content. Do feel free to point out any errors and contradictions, too! With thousands of words to go through, there's bound to some here and there, and we all know the reputation of EVE players and their ability to pick out even the slightest mishap from CCP =P
I could sometimes kill this buggy forum It has now eat a long post with alot of links.....
But nevermind, It can happend. So to come to the "biggest question" which I currently have (and will add the other ones later. This time I will look that i havent linked a percent-sympol first before hit post or preview ). I already mention it here. The question is still open, if something isnt clear what I mean by "two" options (changing chart or the new GotAE page) or other stuff; like what I mean with Departments etc.... just ask. By the way... the talk page was previously WIP now it could be updated (or if you choice to them to let to be ministries, I would change the chart; as I know it isnt my call . So I would be happy to help either way).
P.S. Again a big hug for all ISD, the immersion team and Abraxes. I will try to add the links, and further explanations later, when Im connected again. See you all and fly save. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |
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ISD Vance Siterman
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Dex Nederland wrote:So, many of us who have been playing Caldari for a long time are concerned about the idea that the Caldari are a homogeneous empire with little internal variation.
A fine set of points. We often look at what ideas players might have, ensure that it is consistent with anything we have internally, and produce something that is consistent with the image that CCP wants to portray regarding a particular topic. There is plenty of variation in how the Big Eight operate certainly, but the variations won't be large enough to appear anything but Caldari to outsiders. One must keep a united front that can respond quickly and coherently to outside aggression! (or try to )
Rachel Silverside wrote:Cool. On that note, how widespread are corporate sponsored implants and cybernetics? I would imagine that administrators, bodyguards and security forces all have varying augmentations, but to what degree are they augmented and do they end up owning the implants or are they still considered property of the corporation?
Yes, jobs like that will probably require implants moreso than, say, a factory worker. The average soldier won't have implants beyond what most cannon fodder troops in New Eden will have (which is to say, not a lot), while special forces will have a notable set of neural rigging to remain competitive. Caldari augmentations won't be garishly obvious, leaning more towards cranial/subdermal implants and such things.
As for the second question, personal property isn't really a thing in the State for most people. All property (including citizens) belong to the megacorporation at the end of the day, but in practice, a system of semi-permanent to permanent "borrowing" is used.
Quote:That sort of attitude doesn't seem very helpful when Sansha's nation is busy abducting people. Still I would imagine that the Federation military is seeking to increase its powers in the face of Sansha's attacks. It'd make for an interesting dynamic in Federation politics, a new argument in favor of security over freedom.
The Black Eagles did come about for a reason 
Quote:Also, does the Gallente military prefer to leave strong garrisons of ships and troops within a system in order to make taking over difficult? Or do they go the Systems Alliance route from Mass Effect and leave a small garrison of troops and ships with multiple rapid reaction forces on standby in order to take a system back?
Appearance and principle matters more than efficiency in the Federation, so a propensity to the latter. More militaristic communities in the Federation, however, will be more than happy to have the former. Again, this assumes the Gallente military have a presence mandated to them.
Publius, I'm afraid I'm not sure what your question is, could you re-word it? |
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Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
66
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:22:00 -
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ISD Vance Siterman wrote:
Publius, I'm afraid I'm not sure what your question is, could you re-word it?
Sure no problem. Im not a native english speaker, so that is happend very often.
So first, the goal of my first post was to avoid a "bombardment of talk-pages" ; but I also see now it is better to explain when I left there some comments; as well as here.
So my Question was: Is the Amarr Civil Service, Amarr Trade Registry overseen by the Imperial Chancellor or Chamberlain?
That leaves me with some question markes. As who is the overseer? Both sides would have their pros and cons.
As I meantion before, both options are valid, and no problem to change either way. As for me... and this is just my personal optinion: As I mention on the other thread, on the Fiction subforum, currently there is just one page which uses those names: "Ministry of Civil Service"; "Ministry of Trade and Commerce" (see the google links here). So a change on this page would be easier. Another good argument, next to my laziness , would be that this chnage, would give the Chamberlain some administration-power, next to the Chancellor.
As for this "Imperial Departments", you could later add (if someone asks); that they existed before Moral reforms.... So before the amarrian central goverment was bilded around the emperor etc.... Something like this..... So more or less that they have transformed from previous Institutions and now are overseen by the Chaberlain (but that is just my 50 cents... I know I have nothing to say).
The second option would be also valid. But for this I would have to change the Amarr Emperor page chart. So thats why Im asking. Currently I have on the talk page a finish version (no WIP), which would could be used to update the current page with all the new information of the new pages (I mainly copy & past stuff from the lore pages, references have I add too it... so you can track it back). That would be the current version. As can be seen, If the Chancellor stays as overseer I have to change some lines; thats why Im mainly ask.
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You may also ask yourself why all the question.... It is just that the Empeor page was ones made by me.... I haev a little heart on it: http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Emperor&action=history http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Emperor&oldid=101171
I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
66
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Posted - 2012.12.21 14:34:00 -
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As second point.... Im long thinking about doing a chart for the Fed.... I had ones a small talk with Seriphyn how a possiable Fed would look like and how a chart would look like.... But during that time we hadnt much infromation about it. And what we know was a little to complex to put it in on chart.
So my I ask you... Could you do a small drawing (with paint or something else, doesnt need to be beautyful)... with some Fed institution in the centre; and how the connect to others.
For example... The Amarr Heir pages shows how the Heirs connect to others: See here. The Amarr Emperor pages shows how he does it: See here. The Khanid King pages shows him.. or thrys it It is made by me... so no lore page: See here. I mention does just to give an idea what my goal would be...
So It would be great you could make some quick drawings of some Fed institution in the center; and how they connect.... Like "Senate" or "President", "Federal Administration", "Cabinet" etc I have read to new articles... I have to say the are great.... but I would dare to start a own chart, just from my interpration. So a small help would be great.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Government_of_the_Gallente_Federation http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Democracy_in_the_Gallente_Federation http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente_franchise_system I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim
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The Trade Registry and Civil Service are parts of the Imperial Bureaucracy, which is headed by the Imperial Chancellor.
The shareholder numbers of the Civil Service supports that the Imperial Chancellor is a major stakeholder there.
The shareholder numbers of the Trade Registry would suggest that it's more of a subset of the Civil Service, and thus by extension also under the influence of the Imperial Chancellor.
The Government of the Empire article then reinforces this by stating that the two are organized as ministries under the Chancellor.
The only body of the Amarr Government I can think of that the Court Chamberlain "governs" is the unmanageable mess of the Emperor Family. The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. - Thomas Paine ISD Sheliak Mesarthim - ISD Mercury |
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Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:41:00 -
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Really good articles.
I especially liked the one about Vuld Haupt. There were a lot of things in that article that match the way I envision Myyona as a Sebiestor. Especially the Blessing of Clones, where I know Myyona has spend countless of hours staring at her original body, that is stored in a medical facility somewhere, pondering about her existence.
Can you really live your life outside your body? And, are you really you, or are you an active copy while the real you is sleeping? Those sort of things.
If I ever had an interest of writing EVE fiction instead of exploring it, I would certainly sign up for the Mercury team. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Biography |
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim
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Posted - 2012.12.21 21:49:00 -
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Myyona wrote:If I ever had an interest of writing EVE fiction instead of exploring it, I would certainly sign up for the Mercury team.  What better way is there to explore a place than to venture into the thick mists of the Terra Incognita and fill in the blank areas on the map? 
The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. - Thomas Paine ISD Sheliak Mesarthim - ISD Mercury |
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Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:17:00 -
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Sorry. What I got in scientific approach, I lack in artistic creativity.
I prefer to stay connected with what I (can) experience within the game, not what I hope to find. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Biography |
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ISD Archetys Traum
ISD AURORA
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Myyona wrote:I especially liked the one about Vuld Haupt. There were a lot of things in that article that match the way I envision Myyona as a Sebiestor. Especially the Blessing of Clones, where I know Myyona has spend countless of hours staring at her original body, that is stored in a medical facility somewhere, pondering about her existence. 
I'm glad you liked it.
Pretty much exactly the image I had in my mind when I wrote that article. Especially in the case of the practice in the game itself of stashing frozen corpses - your own if you're lucky enough. What pause would it give you, reflecting on such a thing? What would you do with it? What meaning do you (as a charcater and as a player) invest in it? Hence the proxy funeral and chance for these immortal beings to touch base with the spiritual side of a life increasingly rooted in the material or, more appropriately in this case, unite the two worlds. Much like us as players having two worlds that we exist in - the importance being to find a balance or sense of connection.
Myyona wrote:... I prefer to stay connected with what I (can) experience within the game, not what I hope to find.
Spoken like a true Sebiestor egger :) All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream - Poe ISD Archetys Traum - Mercury |
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Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
67
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:46:00 -
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim wrote:The Trade Registry and Civil Service are parts of the Imperial Bureaucracy, which is headed by the Imperial Chancellor. The shareholder numbers of the Civil Service supports that the Imperial Chancellor is a major stakeholder there. The shareholder numbers of the Trade Registry would suggest that it's more of a subset of the Civil Service, and thus by extension also under the influence of the Imperial Chancellor. The Government of the Empire article then reinforces this by stating that the two are organized as ministries under the Chancellor. The only body of the Amarr Government I can think of that the Court Chamberlain "governs" is the unmanageable mess of the Emperor Family.
So Imperial Chancellor it is? Than you have to change the chart.. as well as the Civil service lore page . As they show the Chamberlain as current overseer. I would say, just delete it (chart) in the time being (until something got overworked. Belive me it will be better that way, as it leads to less missleading, as I speak from experience ).
As third question (Im aweful): Ehm Sould I than take out the actual ministries? I mean as I see the Chancellor than doesnt "governs" them. Ministry of Assessment. No mention of the IC. Ministry of Internal Order Enemy. Is the IC even mention as Enemy? And again not mention as SH. Ministry of War. The same here no SH for the IC . I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim
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Posted - 2012.12.22 00:43:00 -
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Publius Valerius wrote:So Imperial Chancellor it is? Than you have to change the chart.. as well as the Civil service lore page  . As they show the Chamberlain as current overseer. The Civil Service lore page doesn't say that the Chamberlain is in charge of it - just that the Chamberlain reviews all petitions to the emperor, which is one of his main duties.
Publius Valerius wrote:[Troll mode on:] As third question  (Im aweful): Ehm Sould I than take out the actual ministries? I mean as I see the Chancellor than doesnt "governs" them. Ministry of Assessment. No mention of the IC. Ministry of Internal Order Enemy. Is the IC even mention as Enemy? And again not mention as SH. Ministry of War. The same here no SH for the IC  . [/Troll mode off  (just joking)] So as I mention.... ehm, I would than delete the chart, best and easiest way. The shareholder info was removed from the wiki for a reason - it's not really a solid foundation to build lore on. The MIO considering the Chancellor a political opponent isn't that strange though - powerful intelligence agencies have historically regarded their appointed overseers as inconveniences.
Publius Valerius wrote: Edit: Now a actual question, not a troll ones, a serious question. As you mention the Emperor Family a govern by the Chamberlain, should it than get a line under the CC on the chart (I mean a future reworked chart)?
The Emperor Family is a weird institution. Each emperor brings in his closest relatives and advisors, and they leave their house and become members of the house of the emperor. The emperor will give them offices and power and they will make themselves invaluable by political connections and facilitation of the throne's will. Many will sit in positions in the Ministries and other parts of the Bureaucracy, able to influence the direction of the entire Empire. When the next emperor comes along, those people will remain in the shadow of the throne, a force the new rulers will have to appease.
The court of the Amarr emperor will be full of people related to past rulers, a political morass and a web of complex loyalties that requires a special touch to control. Though it's not their primary duty, I imagine steering and manipulating the Emperor Family must be one of the largest tasks for the Court Chamberlain. If nothing else, it's definitely the best tool an ambitious chamberlain has to influence the Empire. Karsoth, for example, was so great at controlling the Emperor Family that he used it to steer the entire Empire. That's kinda what has led to Jamyl and Pomik Haromi weakening the Emperor Family (and, perhaps by extension, the influence of the Court Chamberlain) in favour of a more smooth-running Bureaucracy. The sublime and the ridiculous are often so nearly related, that it is difficult to class them separately. - Thomas Paine ISD Sheliak Mesarthim - ISD Mercury |
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Seriphyn Inhonores
Soltueur Company
267
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:04:00 -
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was actually thinking of trying to make a chart in paint this end myself, but i'm too terrible at it |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
67
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:08:00 -
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim wrote:Publius Valerius wrote:So Imperial Chancellor it is? Than you have to change the chart.. as well as the Civil service lore page  . As they show the Chamberlain as current overseer. The Civil Service lore page doesn't say that the Chamberlain is in charge of it - just that the Chamberlain reviews all petitions to the emperor, which is one of his main duties. Publius Valerius wrote:[Troll mode on:] As third question  (Im aweful): Ehm Sould I than take out the actual ministries? I mean as I see the Chancellor than doesnt "governs" them. Ministry of Assessment. No mention of the IC. Ministry of Internal Order Enemy. Is the IC even mention as Enemy? And again not mention as SH. Ministry of War. The same here no SH for the IC  . [/Troll mode off  (just joking)] So as I mention.... ehm, I would than delete the chart, best and easiest way. The shareholder info was removed from the wiki for a reason - it's not really a solid foundation to build lore on. The MIO considering the Chancellor a political opponent isn't that strange though - powerful intelligence agencies have historically regarded their appointed overseers as inconveniences.
Ehm... I wouldnt count it the last as law. Something what has to be.... but as poltical scientist Im used to inductive laws . So in my book, it wouldnt be an argument, that somewhere y, a institution x was inconvenience turing the time z; because of it has to also the case in the Empire (there will be a inductive probability, but in this case YOU would have to show it. In our case with an link were exactly this is the case in the Lore; otherwise it is more or less like saying: They see the IC as Hamburger and I have most likely the same inductive probability for that ).
As for the first part: The SH-numbers as not a "foundation to build lore" on. I agree with you on this case. And see you argument above, as actually none. Sorry, but saying, that IC is it; because of the SH-numbers wouldnt be consistent. So no argument at all... As I said before, and I said it again and again, both have a valid lore point; and both could be incluted for the same reasons/"logic behind it"....etc....
So I take a little freedom here, a say: That your comment meant than: "would be more something in your "taste", that you see the IC as overseer."
ISD Sheliak Mesarthim wrote:Publius Valerius wrote: Edit: Now a actual question, not a troll ones, a serious question. As you mention the Emperor Family a govern by the Chamberlain, should it than get a line under the CC on the chart (I mean a future reworked chart)?
The Emperor Family is a weird institution. Each emperor brings in his closest relatives and advisors, and they leave their house and become members of the house of the emperor. The emperor will give them offices and power and they will make themselves invaluable by political connections and facilitation of the throne's will. Many will sit in positions in the Ministries and other parts of the Bureaucracy, able to influence the direction of the entire Empire. When the next emperor comes along, those people will remain in the shadow of the throne, a force the new rulers will have to appease. The court of the Amarr emperor will be full of people related to past rulers, a political morass and a web of complex loyalties that requires a special touch to control. Though it's not their primary duty, I imagine steering and manipulating the Emperor Family must be one of the largest tasks for the Court Chamberlain. If nothing else, it's definitely the best tool an ambitious chamberlain has to influence the Empire. Karsoth, for example, was so great at controlling the Emperor Family that he used it to steer the entire Empire. That's kinda what has led to Jamyl and Pomik Haromi weakening the Emperor Family (and, perhaps by extension, the influence of the Court Chamberlain) in favour of a more smooth-running Bureaucracy.
First part. I know
Second part: ???? No you lost me. Could you re-word? Most likely just a language thingy . Ehm... I would even say because of EA, that the opposite is the case (to lazy to search now for the page numbers. Where is mention that Karsoth fears actuall loyal paladins and the people around him. Which speaks exactly in the opposite direction. etc...... I think here would be, a quick drawing the best way (with paint)..... so that I know for sure what you (and the other ISDs have in mind.. or as I said.. a mash up maybe, were all ISD put up a small drawing and from that a final ones will made?). In the meantime fly save.... and happy holidays....
Edit: Edit some misspelling from me. I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:09:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:was actually thinking of trying to make a chart in paint this end myself, but i'm too terrible at it
Oh Hi Seriphyn.... *Publius waves at you and ask himself: "Why is the guy so late up?" * I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems The Fourth District
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:14:00 -
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ISD Sheliak Mesarthim wrote:
So, I realize that chruker.dk's database is likely a stable source for the shareholder numbers, but the question this raises for me is:
Quote:Why have the shareholder numbers been removed from the Evelopedia pages? Lai Dai Infinity Systems |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
67
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:22:00 -
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Dex Nederland wrote:ISD Sheliak Mesarthim wrote: So, I realize that chruker.dk's database is likely a stable source for the shareholder numbers, but the question this raises for me is: Quote:Why have the shareholder numbers been removed from the Evelopedia pages?
Most likely because: They really arent a solid "foundation to build lore" on (or an argument ). I have to agree on that with the ISD. Most of them are doesnt make any sence at all ( I remember... very dark that I ones talk about it with CCP Ginger and even you ). I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |

Ehdward Spengler
Diplomatic Immunization
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Posted - 2012.12.26 16:37:00 -
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CCP should add more lore and stories into the actual game. |

Erik Finnegan
Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2012.12.27 15:38:00 -
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EVE lore feels so ... real. |

Publius Valerius
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.12.27 18:42:00 -
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Erik Finnegan wrote:EVE lore feels so ... real.
Yeah I really love it, maybe it is the diversity. You have your Romanticism Versus Enlightenment, your Space Opera with its Feudal Future; in the same time some sort of Asteroid Miners and Space Western. If I could wish for something, it would be more Cyber Punk, you can never have to much Cyber Punk, never.....
I would love to have those classes ingame. See here:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/376566/march-07-2011/joshua-foer |
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ISD Archetys Traum
ISD AURORA
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Posted - 2012.12.27 22:18:00 -
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Erik Finnegan wrote:EVE lore feels so ... real.
You were there All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream - Poe ISD Archetys Traum - Mercury |
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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.31 16:25:00 -
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i have some fiction story for you ,its called "the Door" . Pls show me a direction ,where i can place this story. only need to place a link to these forums R.S.I2014
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ISD Marela Nadirones
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:10:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:i have some fiction story for you ,its called "the Door" . Pls show me a direction ,where i can place this story. only need to place a link to these forums
Hey there.
There's an entire forum section devoted to EVE Fiction.
You can find it at:
Home >> EVE Forums >> EVE Communication Center >> EVE Fiction
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