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Jiggawatt Gredax
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Posted - 2005.05.24 14:26:00 -
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Anyone have an idea of the skills required for the upcoming dreads? I'm mainly wondering if i should go for a HAC or train up to BS lvl 5 if necessary.
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.05.24 14:36:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about it. Train what you feel like until they are released, then start training for them. Not only will you know what to train better (maybe they will require skills noone expected), but when you are done training there will already by lots of experiences from them and their use available from other players - saving you from making the baby mistakes. That and the fact that it gives time for their prices to settle...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.05.24 14:54:00 -
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What Meehan said.
Other than that, they're T1 ships so shouldn't need more than BS4 / Spaceship Command 5. Also, bear in mind they utilise jump drives, so will likely need Warp Drive Ops 5 / Jump Drive Ops 1.
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.05.24 16:01:00 -
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Looking at the new data i saw frieghters required "Advanced Spaceship command" Im guessing dreads will need this as well maybe to level 3 or 4, and Titans to 5. Im also predicting BS 4 and not 5. Of Course jumpdrive operation. Im hoping like, electronics, engineering, mechanic, evasive manuevering, and maybe a starship engineering all to 5. It had better be very skill intensive and super expensive so only a few can have one.
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El Yatta
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Posted - 2005.05.24 16:39:00 -
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Titans to 5? How long have you needed Transport ships to 5 to fly a BS, then? Titans are both larger than, and with a completely different purpose, to dreads.
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.05.24 17:28:00 -
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 Originally by: El Yatta
Titans to 5? How long have you needed Transport ships to 5 to fly a BS, then? Titans are both larger than, and with a completely different purpose, to dreads.
Can't read minds - but think he was referring to Titans needing advanced starship engineering to 5... not Dreadnaughts needing Titans to 5. 
That the way Weirda read it anyway. 
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.05.24 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: El Yatta
Titans to 5? How long have you needed Transport ships to 5 to fly a BS, then? Titans are both larger than, and with a completely different purpose, to dreads.
Can't read minds - but think he was referring to Titans needing advanced starship engineering to 5... not Dreadnaughts needing Titans to 5.
That the way Weirda read it anyway.
Exactamundo.
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ArcticWolf
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:06:00 -
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Im pretty sure i can fly one. Frig, cruiser, bs, spaceship comand, all gunneries, advanced gunners almost there, most navigations, all gang skills, most engineering, are all at 5 and jump drives is training up to 4 now. Ive been going off hearsay and rumors, but i think i have most of my bases covered...i cant wait for them to be released
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:28:00 -
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It will be BS 3 if anything.
Destroyers need Frig 3
Battlecruisers need Cruiser 3
Do it stands to reason Dreadnaughts would need BS 3
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:33:00 -
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Lots of skills to use Dreads = good
Lots of ISK to buy Dreads = bad
/Elve
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
It will be BS 3 if anything.
Destroyers need Frig 3
Battlecruisers need Cruiser 3
Do it stands to reason Dreadnaughts would need BS 3
Cruisers require frig 4
Battleships require cruiser 4
I consider Dessies and BC "sub-classes"
Dessies being sub-class to cruisers
BC being sub-class to BS
Dreads are a new class totally. Im 100% sure BS 3 is not a requirement, It will most definatly be higher.
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Lots of skills to use Dreads = good
Lots of ISK to buy Dreads = bad
Elve youre my hero.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:35:00 -
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Keep in mind Dreads will have a lot of the BS Syndrome. People with the bare minimum skills to fly it assuming they have to be uber and win all the time. So to fully use a Dread, you will likely need to be more than able to fully use a BS.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: SirSpectre
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
It will be BS 3 if anything.
Destroyers need Frig 3
Battlecruisers need Cruiser 3
Do it stands to reason Dreadnaughts would need BS 3
Cruisers require frig 4
Battleships require cruiser 4
I consider Dessies and BC "sub-classes"
Dessies being sub-class to cruisers
BC being sub-class to BS
Dreads are a new class totally. Im 100% sure BS 3 is not a requirement, It will most definatly be higher.
Could be, but what would the subclass to the Dreads be? Carriers?
~Sobe
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 24/05/2005 18:54:49
My wishlist for skills required to use a Dreadnaught: (I never know if its naught or nought so i just say Dread usually)
<Insert Race> Battleship 5
Jumpdrive Operation 3
Warp Drive Operation 5
Shield Operation 5
Shield Management 5
Energy Management 5
Energy thingiedingiedong 5
Then, for the XL guns:
<Insert Race> Large Closerange Turret Spec 5
<Insert Race> Large Shortrange Turret Spec 5
Ofcourse, all the subskills and prereqs for those skills.
I would add HAC 5 as i think it belongs on that list, but i also know that for alot of BS pilots HACs are no more then toys for the spoiled veteran. HACs are essentially not alot like Dreads, in my opinion.
Then ofcourse a rank 10 skill 'Dreadnaughts'. I'd give my right arm for two tiers aswell, but it ain't happening ofcourse.
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As for cost.
Roughly 100-150million ISK for the skill, overpriced in true CCP style. Then 750-1250 million ISK for the Dread.
Besides that, i'd add an odd skill or three as required to level 5 that most BS pilots do not have. Leadership 5 maybe, along with all the other gangskills at 5.
/Elve
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.05.24 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: SirSpectre
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
It will be BS 3 if anything.
Destroyers need Frig 3
Battlecruisers need Cruiser 3
Do it stands to reason Dreadnaughts would need BS 3
Cruisers require frig 4
Battleships require cruiser 4
I consider Dessies and BC "sub-classes"
Dessies being sub-class to cruisers
BC being sub-class to BS
Dreads are a new class totally. Im 100% sure BS 3 is not a requirement, It will most definatly be higher.
Could be, but what would the subclass to the Dreads be? Carriers?
There isnt one yet. But Carriers, I suppose, depending on offical use, might be considered as a sub-class.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 24/05/2005 18:54:49
My wishlist for skills required to use a Dreadnaught: (I never know if its naught or nought so i just say Dread usually)
<Insert Race> Battleship 5
Jumpdrive Operation 3
Warp Drive Operation 5
Shield Operation 5
Shield Management 5
Energy Management 5
Energy thingiedingiedong 5
Then, for the XL guns:
<Insert Race> Large Closerange Turret Spec 5
<Insert Race> Large Shortrange Turret Spec 5
Ofcourse, all the subskills and prereqs for those skills.
I would add HAC 5 as i think it belongs on that list, but i also know that for alot of BS pilots HACs are no more then toys for the spoiled veteran. HACs are essentially not alot like Dreads, in my opinion.
Then ofcourse a rank 10 skill 'Dreadnaughts'. I'd give my right arm for two tiers aswell, but it ain't happening ofcourse.
EDIT:
As for cost.
Roughly 100-150million ISK for the skill, overpriced in true CCP style. Then 750-1250 million ISK for the Dread.
Besides that, i'd add an odd skill or three as required to level 5 that most BS pilots do not have. Leadership 5 maybe, along with all the other gangskills at 5.
Thank god you're not on the Dev's balancing team.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:08:00 -
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Thanks for your usefull reply.
So what do you want? Let me guess:
BS 3
Cruiser 4
Frig 4
Then for XL guns:
L Turret 4
gunnery 5
/Elve
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:15:00 -
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I would prefer skills for dreads and XL guns be high:
As in...
BS5
Gunn5\Large Artillery(just for example) 5
motion\tracking\sharp\etc...all at 5
These XL guns and ships need to be truly in the hands of highly skilled premier pilots, not indy alts with 30 mil SP who just happened to train lvl 3 of this or that.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sadist on 24/05/2005 19:19:24
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Thanks for your usefull reply.
So what do you want? Let me guess:
BS 3
Cruiser 4
Frig 4
Then for XL guns:
L Turret 4
gunnery 5
A healthy medium.
BS 4
Ship command 5
Advanced ship command 4
Jump drive operation 1
And the same thing you wrote for XL guns.
Btw dreads should be a rank 12 skill.
About isk cost - i think you got it pretty right.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:20:00 -
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BS 4.
You're making the exact same mistake as CCP did when introducing Battleships - making them too easy. Do you really want to see everyone and his mummy fly a Dreadnaught? Because with skillreqs like that, everyone who can afford one will get one.
/Elve
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:25:00 -
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I think if you go BS5 versus BS4 you'll cull out alot of wannabe casual "fighter" character types. That's what I was thinking of when I mentioned BS5 
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatters on 24/05/2005 19:27:30
Edited by: DarkMatters on 24/05/2005 19:26:53
seam alot of people are sugesting skills which fit into what they have trained, in the hopes that the majority will not be able to fly them but they will be one of the lucky ones. i mean why would they need sheild skills?
its a tech 1 ship!
so Battleship 4, spaceship command 5, whatever dread skill = fly ship
jump drive a few more skills, already released cant be arsed to write them down, 3 lvl skills trained to 5 needed i think.
siege mode a few more skills trained to 5 centering around gunnery.
and yes i have BS lvl 5....
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:31:00 -
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Actually, i don't have half the skills on that list. I specialise in frigates and cruisers.
I just want to avoid some things.
1) Look at me, i've billions of ISK but only BS 3, ill fly me that Dread!
Versus: Look at me, i may not have alot of ISK, but i've spend my entire EVE life trying to specialise in this type of ship!
2) Ah hey look guys, it's a Dread. XL Mega Beam IIs i see, the XL Tachyon II really own those things though, see our killboards for proof.
Versus: OMG OMG OMG guys its a Dread! Gather everyone in the constellation so we can go drool to our heart contents!
Get my point?
/Elve
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Actually, i don't have half the skills on that list. I specialise in frigates and cruisers.
I just want to avoid some things.
1) Look at me, i've billions of ISK but only BS 3, ill fly me that Dread!
Versus: Look at me, i may not have alot of ISK, but i've spend my entire EVE life trying to specialise in this type of ship!
2) Ah hey look guys, it's a Dread. XL Mega Beam IIs i see, the XL Tachyon II really own those things though, see our killboards for proof.
Versus: OMG OMG OMG guys its a Dread! Gather everyone in the constellation so we can go drool to our heart contents!
Get my point?
/agrees with /elve
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.05.24 19:49:00 -
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Yeah, i think the game would suffer if the main factor against getting a dread is based on money not skills. Dreads being flown shouldn't be a common occurance. "But not everyone has that sort of money". Err, looked at the trading forums/in-game chat? Lots of people could quite easily get that amount of cash. There should be some serious amount of specialisation involved in flying one. BS 4 imho NOT specialisation.
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Danii
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Posted - 2005.05.24 20:01:00 -
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Whatever the skill reqs are, I think they should include at least 50 days of training new skills, to be able to fly the things.
Price? Well, no matter what the build cost, these things are going to be seriously expensive...
[AUCTION] Caldari dreadnaught
Starting bid: 2 bil
Minimum bid increment: 500 mil
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.05.24 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Maxine Stirner on 24/05/2005 20:17:47
Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Lots of skills to use Dreads = good
Lots of ISK to buy Dreads = bad
Pish posh. That should read:
Lots of skill to buy Dreads = good
Lots of ISK to use Dreads = good
And they shouldn't be uber cept against BS and starbases.
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Grainsalt
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Posted - 2005.05.24 20:54:00 -
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There are some semi-clues to this in the excel sheets that were released.. But contain some skills such as advanced starship navigation or somesuch. Might be worth you downloading them and taking a look...
Oh and ignore the "Bad Motherf**king Caldari Dreadnaught" entry... Although it is funny. 
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.24 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
BS 4.
You're making the exact same mistake as CCP did when introducing Battleships - making them too easy. Do you really want to see everyone and his mummy fly a Dreadnaught? Because with skillreqs like that, everyone who can afford one will get one.
Its a tech 1 ship.
And i want to be able to fly it within a _reasonable_ time period after it comes out, not after half year training just to be able to fly it.
A person can fly a BS with about 1 mil SP , but he's going to be horrible at it.
Same thing must and will go for dreads.
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