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Hulasikali Walla Never Mind the Bollocks 15	Posted - 2012.12.19 10:50:00 - [61] - Quote ma perke wrote: Where is your rat hole ??? DTC
Gravitas Stolpe Shiva Furnace 3	Posted - 2012.12.19 11:27:00 - [62] - Quote Alt in noobcorp, claiming to be goon, trying to antagonize w-community and inviting us to deklein to settle the score?. Sounds legit.
Sandslinger NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 31	Posted - 2012.12.19 12:11:00 - [63] - Quote ma perke wrote: lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say... it reminds me about IT/WN/-A- etc. elite pvp-ers we noobs kicked out from every region we fight in, who instead of fixing their stuff and putting up a good fight like NC. did preffer to run. You are so good and skilled fighting Sleepers ?!? lol are they the CCP version of Deep Blue chess computer?? I think of level 4 missions - when they reached 100Misk/h in hi sec they were nerfed to nothing. I think of nul sec anomalies - when everybody started upgrading their system they were nerfed. I think of incursions - when so many elite hi sec bears started doing them they were nerfed. Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... it is about time now. Me being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts. Thanks for the loot btw, keep coming in faction fitted t3 cruisers, I love it. Unfortunately I can't return you the visit since the game mechanics dosen't allow it. Every single inhabited WH i find in null gets closed imediately by its elite sleeper-bears when they see Deklein on the other side. btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx??? Hi Hi I just met you and this is crazy but Post with your main... maybe ???
Axloth Okiah Dark-Rising 6	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:08:00 - [64] - Quote ma perke wrote: Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... yes, sleepers were made significantly harder long time before any nerfing came to L4s, incursions or sanctums... Criticising something you know absolutely nothing about makes you look very bad indeed (hence the npc noob alt I assume). So please stop this crying, try living in deep W-space for couple months and then come back and share you experiences with us. Because is it stands now, you have nothing to share and you'are rightly ignored/laughed at. ps. I apologize for feeding the troll
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 520	Posted - 2012.12.19 13:45:00 - [65] - Quote ma perke wrote: lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say... Sadly the only tears have been from your OP. Everyone else in the thread calling you out as a troll/idiot aren't tears, just stating facts. 0/10
Bronya Boga Semper Ubi Sub Ubi 24	Posted - 2012.12.19 14:31:00 - [66] - Quote ma perke wrote: btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx??? So your saying that you carrier rat deep in goon space, not only that,but in their headquarters. Where you have thousands of players at a moment notice,and that is more dangerous then WH's? Thats precious.
Gnaw LF AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 267	Posted - 2012.12.19 16:21:00 - [67] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: The only thing I've learned from this thread is that Gnaw is too good a person to be in Aquila ....and my position of AAMR (Angry, Authoritarian, Megalomaniac Russian) of Verge of Collapse has been recently usurped.
Gnaw LF AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 267	Posted - 2012.12.19 16:28:00 - [68] - Quote ma perke wrote: lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say... it reminds me about IT/WN/-A- etc. elite pvp-ers we noobs kicked out from every region we fight in, who instead of fixing their stuff and putting up a good fight like NC. did preffer to run. You are so good and skilled fighting Sleepers ?!? lol are they the CCP version of Deep Blue chess computer?? I think of level 4 missions - when they reached 100Misk/h in hi sec they were nerfed to nothing. I think of nul sec anomalies - when everybody started upgrading their system they were nerfed. I think of incursions - when so many elite hi sec bears started doing them they were nerfed. Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... it is about time now. Me being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts. Thanks for the loot btw, keep coming in faction fitted t3 cruisers, I love it. Unfortunately I can't return you the visit since the game mechanics dosen't allow it. Every single inhabited WH i find in null gets closed imediately by its elite sleeper-bears when they see Deklein on the other side. btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx??? Oh my. The mighty CFC, purgers of RMTing Russian hordes. You have fought alliances that are 1/10th your size, and half filled with Bots and now you proudly thump your chest as if its some sort of accomplishment. Why don't you try the same thing with w-space, come to our turf and try to chest thump then see how long your mighty blob will handle warfare that requires skills and more than a few hours of staying online. Also, your entire argument is a logical fallacy. You show us other aspects of the game that were nerfed due to over production of ISK, however you forget that those aspects of the game provided a very risk-free and pvp averse environment. People who make ISK in L4 or Incursions rarely went and spent all that ISK on ships and pew, in wspace most of us make ISK only to pew and we rarely if ever cause general inflation of the market. In fact the amount of ISK we earned depends entirely on how many Tech3 ships are lost. P.S. Your coalition gets pwned by wspace alliance all the time. This is my personal favorite because I was there: http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13657 http://themittani.com/news/eight-goonswarm-carriers-down-branch I laugh at your inadequacy.
Pinaculus Hole Busters 151	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:00:00 - [69] - Quote If W-Space is so safe why do I feel so paranoid all the time? I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Ayeson Hard Knocks Inc. 82	Posted - 2012.12.19 21:48:00 - [70] - Quote Pinaculus wrote: If W-Space is so safe why do I feel so paranoid all the time? Rengas Ask me about Rengas-dar, HRDKX's Most recent, groundbreaking, game-changing, wormhole-collapsing research endeavour.

Gibbo5771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 71	Posted - 2012.12.20 00:52:00 - [71] - Quote Really hope the op gets baw cancer.
Capt Starfox Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.12.20 04:59:00 - [72] - Quote I'm a little disappointed, not enough OP tears. Page 2 he completely disappears. Page 3 one post about how leet he is and nothing on page 4. I was expecting more! And yeah w-space has virtually no risk at all, man good catch. No Concord, pfft who needs them? No local, pfft don't need to know how many pirates, murderers, war-targets, haters, killers, serial rapists (yeah idk, just go with it), slavers, scammers, politicians, lepers, Jita sales-people there are floating around out there! We got this, no worries about that pos you spent time setting up... oh wait.
Bamsey Amraa Unseen Nomads Exiled Ones 2	Posted - 2012.12.20 07:13:00 - [73] - Quote I rly love when null sec F1 pushers cry like child :D Cry more pls its fantastic
ash veratis Hard Knocks Inc. 4	Posted - 2012.12.20 08:54:00 - [74] - Quote Axloth Okiah wrote: ma perke wrote: Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... yes, sleepers were made significantly harder long time before any nerfing came to L4s, incursions or sanctums... For the record, w-space nerfs I can think of off the top of my head: NOS to Neut change. API-based jumps-per-hour counts were removed. high-end Ladar sleeper spawn count doubling (4bs's in instrumentals instead of 2, etc) Changes to wormhole jump mechanics reducing the number of people who can slip through a collapsing hole. Corporate hangar array max item count cap. Aggression-based reshipping counter applying even while inside a force-field. (silly, but it's applying everywhere, so it's marginal, I'll concede) Missile range reduction (since some sleepers love to hang out at 80k's, this is a problem, but fair enough, since it brings it closer to other races in terms of range) Signature resolution of dreadnaught guns being drastically increased. (this was balanced out by a tracking improvement, but since sleepers have a signature radius of 400m max, it can still cause problems, since it makes target painters less effective after stacking is applied) I'm sure I missed some.
corbexx Aperture Harmonics K162 45	Posted - 2012.12.20 09:24:00 - [75] - Quote Quote: For the record, w-space nerfs I can think of off the top of my head: NOS to Neut change. API-based jumps-per-hour counts were removed. high-end Ladar sleeper spawn count doubling (4bs's in instrumentals instead of 2, etc) Changes to wormhole jump mechanics reducing the number of people who can slip through a collapsing hole. Corporate hangar array max item count cap. Aggression-based reshipping counter applying even while inside a force-field. (silly, but it's applying everywhere, so it's marginal, I'll concede) Missile range reduction (since some sleepers love to hang out at 80k's, this is a problem, but fair enough, since it brings it closer to other races in terms of range) Signature resolution of dreadnaught guns being drastically increased. (this was balanced out by a tracking improvement, but since sleepers have a signature radius of 400m max, it can still cause problems, since it makes target painters less effective after stacking is applied) I'm sure I missed some. cap escaltions spawning when you land on grid not when you start yoru warp (god i feel old) ecm removed from magnatar effects pulsar effect working on pos shields (could be wrong with that one) probably loads loads more
Xtrah NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 6	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:02:00 - [76] - Quote Sleepers affected by wormhole effects !!
Mother Ducks OFF THE STATION 3	Posted - 2012.12.20 10:41:00 - [77] - Quote Oh poor goon, swimming in a sea of blue Tell me now, what did the WHs ever do to you? Are you jealous of our Cap escalation while you suffer from the blob retardation We want you to come join us, yes it true The vastness of W-space beckons you Come inside our home with your shiny toys as we wring our hands like greedy boys We want to take you on and you blob So we can make many sacrifices to our dear Bob What is that you say? WHs are for bads? You do not want to play with our Bhaals and their corresponding lads? You have no interest in taking on our Dreads Without the chance of Cynos lighting above you heads? You feel uncomfortable without your titan bridge It is as though you are standing on the ridge of the precipice of darkness, nothing is all you see Well that's because I have a cloaky with me Now you're tackled, and you scream and shout! But the last words you will here will be from me within my Proteus "**, or get the %@$ out" Heh, * **.
Chester Floyd Balkan Xpress Talocan United 12	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:01:00 - [78] - Quote Irya Boone wrote: you all know the rule .. don't F.. feed the troll !!! THIS
AtomicConnor Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 0	Posted - 2012.12.20 11:58:00 - [79] - Quote ma perke wrote: lMe being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts. lulwut?
Rhavas Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 99	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:13:00 - [80] - Quote Mother Ducks wrote: Oh poor goon, swimming in a sea of blue Tell me now, what did the WHs ever do to you? Are you jealous of our Cap escalation while you suffer from the blob retardation We want you to come join us, yes it true The vastness of W-space beckons you Come inside our home with your shiny toys as we wring our hands like greedy boys We want to take you on and you blob So we can make many sacrifices to our dear Bob What is that you say? WHs are for bads? You do not want to play with our Bhaals and their corresponding lads? You have no interest in taking on our Dreads Without the chance of Cynos lighting above you heads? You feel uncomfortable without your titan bridge It is as though you are standing on the ridge of the precipice of darkness, nothing is all you see Well that's because I have a cloaky with me Now you're tackled, and you scream and shout! But the last words you will here will be from me within my Proteus "**, or get the %@$ out" Heh, * **. This thread continues to deliver.

Zloco Crendraven BALKAN EXPRESS 105	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:27:00 - [81] - Quote Yeah WH income should be nerfed by a lot. It is really shameful how much those guys are rich, especially compared to us lowsec dwellers. And i dont find WH that more dangerous than lowsec, on the contrary. C4 and above should be nerfed to the ground.
Kirin Sky Wormhole Hunters 3	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:33:00 - [82] - Quote I'd guess the basic laws of economics would apply here... If it was so risk free and high reward, wouldn't everybody do it? If most people aren't doing it, isn't the OP invalid? Why are hemorrhoids called GÇ£hemorrhoidsGÇ¥ instead of GÇ£asteroidsGÇ¥? w-Space is best-Space!
Paikis Vapour Holdings 350	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:37:00 - [83] - Quote Kirin Sky wrote: Why are hemorrhoids called GÇ£hemorrhoidsGÇ¥ instead of GÇ£asteroidsGÇ¥? Ooh! I know this one! It's Hilter right? Right? Did I guess right? Do I win a prize?
Matt Ellis Infinity Engine 24	Posted - 2012.12.20 15:42:00 - [84] - Quote Zloco Crendraven wrote: Yeah WH income should be nerfed by a lot. It is really shameful how much those guys are rich, especially compared to us lowsec dwellers. And i dont find WH that more dangerous than lowsec, on the contrary. C4 and above should be nerfed to the ground. Apart from the fac that you can dock up/POS up when you see someone enter system. We don't know when people enter, unless we catch a glimpse of scan. I once had a fight with 2 other corps when we attacked someone, and ended up having a 3rd party land at the same time. Tell me thats the same as low. You also get your money from your sites straight away, with exceptions to faction drops. We have to move ALL of our loot out of our wormhole, through hostile systems to get them to highsec. If that gets blown up, not only do we have to replace the ship, but we dont get paid. Simple as! Fueling our POSs is harder too, as we have to go thru many hostile systems. You low/null guys can just JF your stuff in. No chance here. We have to constantly be on the lookout, actively. you just have to watch Local for when to perk up. Still think WH's are on a level field with lowsec?
Kalel Nimrott EG CORP Talocan United 99	Posted - 2012.12.20 20:42:00 - [85] - Quote Station camping is dangerous now!!!
Unholythrash Davaham Bio Troll 0	Posted - 2012.12.20 21:20:00 - [86] - Quote ma perke wrote: lol so many elite WH-bears tears what can i say... it reminds me about IT/WN/-A- etc. elite pvp-ers we noobs kicked out from every region we fight in, who instead of fixing their stuff and putting up a good fight like NC. did preffer to run. You are so good and skilled fighting Sleepers ?!? lol are they the CCP version of Deep Blue chess computer?? I think of level 4 missions - when they reached 100Misk/h in hi sec they were nerfed to nothing. I think of nul sec anomalies - when everybody started upgrading their system they were nerfed. I think of incursions - when so many elite hi sec bears started doing them they were nerfed. Was there any change in the WH since they were introduced? NO... it is about time now. Me being a noob cant remember any case when WH-bears have come to nul sec and we haven't kicked them in the nuts. Thanks for the loot btw, keep coming in faction fitted t3 cruisers, I love it. Unfortunately I can't return you the visit since the game mechanics dosen't allow it. Every single inhabited WH i find in null gets closed imediately by its elite sleeper-bears when they see Deklein on the other side. btw I live in VFK and rat in sanctums - come say hallo. Where is your rat hole - Jxxxx??? Last time our WH opened up into Goonland we were in the ass end of Tenal. Whole area was dead we almost closed it to look for something else but instead we ran all the anoms in a 5 jump area, Few T3s, couple of logi and noctis in tow hoping for a fight but after 3 hours nobody came for us and we only saw 2-3 guys. We ended up running the DED's that popped and went home with some blue loot, was a rather boring night in Tenal.
Diremage Stability Critically Disrupted Seekers of the Unseen 8	Posted - 2012.12.20 23:01:00 - [87] - Quote Quote: Hence WH should be nerfed - TOO MUCH ISK for too small risk involved! You know who else made too much isk for too small a profit? Godwin. You know what that means? **** wanted WH's to be nerfed. You're taking the exact same position ** did. Don't be ****. Edit: The profanity filter wins 0.375 internets.
Dev Aldard Wetwork Inc. Insurance Fraud. 0	Posted - 2012.12.21 06:24:00 - [88] - Quote There have been many replies to this so far but I want my two cents added in. Because I'm like that. -Increase the number of WH connecting k-space to w-space. Sure thing. K-space is scared to death of us already, so why not induce more fear in the denizens of nullsec as they carebear away at their sure thing bountied rats as they gain sec status by the ton. -Player induced closing of a WH not possible? Well, that wouldn't be too awful, that just means we can jump whatever size fleet out of our wormholes and kill your k-space carebears more effectively. We show up in the middle of one of your ratting systems, and the Machariels, Archons, and Moros look mighty juicy. Don't get me started on the Rorquals... -WH should be more accessible. How are they not already quite accessible? Get a scanning ship and start scanning. You already scan for the big money sites out there in nullsec. Just because you cringe, followed by running back to station and hiding, when you see a wormhole doesn't mean it's not accessible. -POS mechanics changed just for w-space. So you can blob a dread into our wh and kill our POS's without waiting for a reinforce timer. How about this: If they change it for w-space, I think it should be changed for nullsec as well. OH WAIT! You have a super in there! You can't let that happen!!! In conclusion: Give me a break. You don't want this stuff any more than w-spacers do. You're frustrated because when you see one of our exits in your carebear system, you head to your cushy station and sit there, all safe and cozy. We only bite when we see you after all. Do what we do. Don't be seen until you're ready to kill. Simple concept. My two cents.
Matt Ellis Infinity Engine 25	Posted - 2012.12.21 09:29:00 - [89] - Quote Dev Aldard wrote: Don't be seen until you're ready to kill. Ah the fundamental of Wormhole PvP. And the other one of, "always assume we have a scout watching your fleet form up..". Follow those, and you'll be just fine..
bubble trout Sky Fighters Talocan United 27	Posted - 2012.12.21 21:00:00 - [90] - Quote Matt Ellis wrote: Dev Aldard wrote: Don't be seen until you're ready to kill. Ah the fundamental of Wormhole PvP. And the other one of, "always assume we have a scout watching your fleet form up..". Follow those, and you'll be just fine.. Missing one, "The drake is always bait".



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