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ma perke
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:29:00 -
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WH has too much advantage over k-space and too low risk to live in.
Lets say your corp lives in a class 5 wh, where only the loot from a rat BS is 50Misk. You do all the anomallies which are active and instead of waiting for another spawn next day you just scan for the wh in your own system. If it is again class 5 you go and do the anomalies there. If by some chance it leads to undesirable space - like goon space for instance - you jump a carrier through in and out and close the WH. There is imediately another one spawning leading to some other place. There is no need for system upgrades, no need for soverenity warfare nothing. 20man corp can make tons of money and avoid all undesirable fights.
Hence WH should be nerfed - TOO MUCH ISK for too small risk involved!
Suggestes steps:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
- Player induced closing of a WH should be not possible.
- WH should be more accessible.
- POS mechanics in WH should be changed, so that it can be killed in a single day as long as a WH lasts. |
Aducat Ragnarson
Cult of the Black Goat
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:43:00 -
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ma perke wrote:
I am an angry person! I have no idea how wormholes work but I read somewhere that you can control the access to your homesystem. Also Goonswarm is the first that comes to mind when thinking about dangerous. Also I read that you can make more than 1bil isk per hour.
NERF NAO!
... is what I would have posted, had i thought that this was not in fact a poor attempt to troll.
3/10 |
smokeAjoint
No Self Esteem
Malefic Aspects
21
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:48:00 -
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all i hear is this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xRrUVVKigk
-álegalize it |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
78
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:49:00 -
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ma perke wrote:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
Poor k-space if that ever happened... |
ma perke
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:50:00 -
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Aducat Ragnarson wrote:ma perke wrote:
I am an angry person! I have no idea how wormholes work but I read somewhere that you can control the access to your homesystem. Also Goonswarm is the first that comes to mind when thinking about dangerous. Also I read that you can make more than 1bil isk per hour.
NERF NAO!
... is what I would have posted, had i thought that this was not in fact a poor attempt to troll. 3/10
back on the topic:
do you do upgrades in WH? - NO
can you close WH if you dont like it - NO
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - NO
in comparison in 0.0 answers to all above question are YES, YES, YES, YES
in WH you have less risk and win more ISK compared to 0.0, which should be nerfed!
P.S. CCP moderator please delete Aducat Ragnarson post as off topic and not constructive, but just emotional.
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Omen Nihilo
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
37
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:53:00 -
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Really? You're reposting that ignorant comment from themittani.com... 
TBH you sound like your knowledge of w-space is mostly hearsay... you obviously don't understand w-space.
Just a few things:
1) A sleeper BS only gets you around 20 million ISK.
2) If you're static leads to goon space you can't cycle it for a C5GÇöyou'll just get another nullsec.
3) Site-running takes a very large ISK investment. You can take precautions, but if you're running an escalation and a pvp entity opens into you you're pretty much forced to fight. And when something does go wrong, this sort of thing happens:
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=14859557
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=15506705
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13731319
http://kb.vergeofcollapse.com/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4298
So while the risk might be lower in quantity (ganks happen less often), it is certainly higher in quality (when you do lose you lose big).
I'm not saying w-space ISK making is perfect, but you have to understand the subject before suggesting changes. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
78
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:57:00 -
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I respectfully suggest you spend a few months living in a C5 then revisit this thread OP.
Check any large WH alliance killboard and you will see its quite possible to challenge someone living in a wormhole from both sides. |
Omen Nihilo
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
37
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Posted - 2012.12.17 22:57:00 -
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ma perke wrote:
do you do upgrades in WH? - NO
can you close WH if you dont like it - NO
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - NO
in comparison in 0.0 answers to all above question are YES, YES, YES, YES
Is there a facepalm emoticon I can use? |
Cheesy Feet
Reconfiguration Nation
Transmission Lost
9
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:01:00 -
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Oh noes! all my wormholes are going to be nerfed now and I made billions per hour in perfect safty too!!
Oh noes..
Oh noes....
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Robert Harrison
Aperture Harmonics
K162
0
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:06:00 -
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Follow Rroff's very sound advice then come come back here. |
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Godfrey Silvarna
Frozen Dawn Academy
Arctic Light
57
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:07:00 -
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Nullbears with their perfect Local chat safety intel trolling again. Nothing to see here. |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
152
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:31:00 -
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ma perke wrote:
back on the topic:
do you do upgrades in WH? - NO
can you close WH if you dont like it - NO
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - NO
in comparison in 0.0 answers to all above question are YES, YES, YES, YES
in WH you have less risk and win more ISK compared to 0.0, which should be nerfed!
P.S. CCP moderator please delete Aducat Ragnarson post as off topic and not constructive, but just emotional.
Fixxed your list for you with reasoning:-
do you do upgrades in WH? - NO - Wernt you complaining we make so much isk?
can you close WH if you dont like it - YES / KINDA - If there is nobody dangorous on the other side it is very easily rolled however it is also easy to catch and kill people rolling if you know what your doing.
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO - Why would we want to?
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - YES - Many farm corps get evicted from holes every week. |
Kurt Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.12.17 23:40:00 -
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Go kiss the feet of your null master, slave. |
Cap James Tkirk
Magellan Corporation
Jokers Wild.
50
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:20:00 -
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isnt this one of thoes things where the post should be deleted and op gassed????? |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
145
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:32:00 -
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ill try to be serious here
do you do upgrades in WH? uhm. no...why would we do it?
can you close WH if you dont like it - Yes we can. unless someone comes into us. then we usually cant untill we kick them out
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO, and ofcourse not. the wormhole itself is worthless. there are so many wormholes. why fight a war over it
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - you said no? ever been into wh space?
Quote:
in comparison in 0.0 answers to all above question are YES, YES, YES, YES
in WH you have less risk and win more ISK compared to 0.0, which should be nerfed!
in wh there is more risk then 0sec. we dont have local, and the incomming fleet doesnt show up untill it points you, nor can we see an enemy fleet comming 20 jumps out. you have no idea how wh space works, or what the risks are. youre posting under some assumptions that are all wrong or looked at from a perspective of someone who has only heard of wh space
and connecting to goons in wh space i undesirable? give me a break :p they suck at wormhole space
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MisterAl tt1
Pretenders Inc
W-Space
16
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Posted - 2012.12.18 00:39:00 -
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TS, what WH system do you live in? J number pls, show it to the public :) |
Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP
Talocan United
97
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:21:00 -
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I still havent seen the new Batman movie!!!, Can you believe that? |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:30:00 -
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ma perke wrote:WH has too much advantage over k-space and too low risk to live in.
Lets say your corp lives in a class 5 wh, where only the loot from a rat BS is 50Misk. You do all the anomallies which are active and instead of waiting for another spawn next day you just scan for the wh in your own system. If it is again class 5 you go and do the anomalies there. If by some chance it leads to undesirable space - like goon space for instance - you jump a carrier through in and out and close the WH. There is imediately another one spawning leading to some other place. There is no need for system upgrades, no need for soverenity warfare nothing. 20man corp can make tons of money and avoid all undesirable fights.
Hence WH should be nerfed - TOO MUCH ISK for too small risk involved!
Suggestes steps:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
- Player induced closing of a WH should be not possible.
- WH should be more accessible.
- POS mechanics in WH should be changed, so that it can be killed in a single day as long as a WH lasts.
So stop whining and get in on the action...
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bubble trout
Sky Fighters
Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:44:00 -
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ma perke wrote:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
- WH should be more accessible.
These two are the best.
Every time we get some 0.0 people to make a fleet they never get a proper scout into the hole, nor do they ever jump fleets into it. It's like they are allergic to wormhole space. They can't for some reason gather intel without local, or understand how they work.
The number of connections to k space I find living in a wormhole is staggering. There are plenty of ways to get into wormholes as it is, increasing the number would be hilarious. |
CeNSeR
Jazz Associates
Azgoths of Kria
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 01:55:00 -
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Kalel Nimrott wrote:I still havent seen the new Batman movie!!!, Can you believe that?
Nope i cant tbh as its the best of the trilogy.
Oh and guys don't feed the troll ....oh wait.
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Matuk Grymwal
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
12
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Posted - 2012.12.18 02:09:00 -
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bubble trout wrote:ma perke wrote:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
- WH should be more accessible.
These two are the best. Every time we get some 0.0 people to make a fleet they never get a proper scout into the hole, nor do they ever jump fleets into it. It's like they are allergic to wormhole space. They can't for some reason gather intel without local, or understand how they work. The number of connections to k space I find living in a wormhole is staggering. There are plenty of ways to get into wormholes as it is, increasing the number would be hilarious. Yeah, most chains will have a number of null connections. Despite this I've seen nullseccers bring the fight to my WH corp once that I can recall (last weekend actually - and I've been in WH for 2 yrs). The lack of local and not being entirely familiar with the mass/time mechanics puts most of em off.
Props to FA btw, they leeroy'ed into our hole sending the BS in first and trapping half their fleet back in null when it collapsed, and then died in an entertaining and good natured manner. |
Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
34
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Posted - 2012.12.18 03:21:00 -
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ma perke wrote:WH has too much advantage over k-space and too low risk to live in.
Lets say your corp lives in a class 5 wh, where only the loot from a rat BS is 50Misk. You do all the anomallies which are active and instead of waiting for another spawn next day you just scan for the wh in your own system. If it is again class 5 you go and do the anomalies there. If by some chance it leads to undesirable space - like goon space for instance - you jump a carrier through in and out and close the WH. There is imediately another one spawning leading to some other place. There is no need for system upgrades, no need for soverenity warfare nothing. 20man corp can make tons of money and avoid all undesirable fights.
Hence WH should be nerfed - TOO MUCH ISK for too small risk involved!
Suggestes steps:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
- Player induced closing of a WH should be not possible.
- WH should be more accessible.
- POS mechanics in WH should be changed, so that it can be killed in a single day as long as a WH lasts.
Cry me a river carebear. Your NPC AI has just been brought in line with what we've been dealing with for years. Not to mention NPC timers have just been brought in to stop log offs and the likes. Go troll somewhere else please.
PS. Nobody listens to alts here. If you knew anything about WH space you would know this. |
Sorany
Hard Knocks Inc.
10
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Posted - 2012.12.18 03:33:00 -
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while we are at it can we also remove mass limits so that all of the super caps can jump in here and just steam roll all these pesky WH corps?! I mean why not right?!
also, I see what you did here.....
WHAT!?
MITTANI
you literally just seemed to think that if your idea wasn't well received on themittani.com, that the WORMHOLE forums would be a place to lodge your complaint, because that makes sense. |
Michael1995
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
43
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Posted - 2012.12.18 04:28:00 -
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Preparing for the 25 page threadnought where w-space people throw hard facts out while nullbears bleat randomly into the wind.
One does not simply buy their way into Goonswarm. |
Sorany
Hard Knocks Inc.
10
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Posted - 2012.12.18 04:57:00 -
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Matuk Grymwal wrote:[quote=bubble trout][quote=ma perke]Despite this I've seen nullseccers bring the fight to my WH corp once that I can recall (last weekend actually - and I've been in WH for 2 yrs).
not to mention when it does happen, suddenly nyxs...
then start the cries of how WHers never want to fight, and how we just retreat back into our hole and run away from all the leet nullbears pvpers.
but hey, it's really just our own fault for being so terrible and not building supercaps of our own.
we are bad, and we should feel bad. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
91
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Posted - 2012.12.18 05:15:00 -
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Quote:back on the topic:
do you do upgrades in WH? - NO
can you close WH if you dont like it - NO
do you fight soverenity wars for a WH - NO
can anyone come chalenge you in a WH - NO
that's right. Because you don't live in a WH. you live in a WSpace.
but in regards to your questions:
1) Yes. They're called adding extra POSes/defenses. But you meant like the more rats (Escalations), Industry (Rorqual/Orcas), and the other one that I can't recall off the top of my head.
2) Yes. people crash WHs all the time
3) Yes, you do. It's the right to have your POS/ships/assets/etc in the system
4) Yes, if they find a Wormhole leading to yours, or if you open up yours and leave it open. or get a scanner alt in and scan down entrances to the Wspace. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Transmission Lost
8
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Posted - 2012.12.18 06:52:00 -
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You clearly don't know what the risks are in w-space!
After you run sites you need to transport the stuff you found to hs.
If it gets ganked allong the way you have nothing... . Maybe we should change NPC-bountys in 0.0 to tags wich have to be cashed in in HS, lets see if that is not a risk.
Everything you salvage, loot ,mine or produced needs to be transported again to somewhere else.
Increasing the chance of getting ganked.
And keeping in mind that large volumes can't be transported because the hole will collaps.
It not like in 0.0 where you just jump a jempfreighter back and forth. After 3 capitals the largest holes will collaps, in lower class w-space you can't even get a freigther through most holes... .
Closing holes is easy?,No one can come and challenge you? Have you at all been reading the latest battlereports in w-space?
Check these out :
http://themittani.com/news/autumns-attila-rnk-takes-transmission-lost
http://themittani.com/media/c5-capital-carnage
http://themittani.com/news/wormhole-massacre
Avoiding fights when carebearing was possible before retribution now, you can't. (logofski, everyone did it)
Suggestes steps:
- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
Why ? not that any nullbear would come in after that... .
- Player induced closing of a WH should be not possible.
It is a way to get to the game content, some holes are empty, how would you like to close down your 0.0 constellation so no one can get in or out, and only you are in there, ...
- WH should be more accessible.
They are just read the manual in this forum section , HTFU or GTFO.
- POS mechanics in WH should be changed, so that it can be killed in a single day as long as a WH lasts.
Lol, having a hard time killing a pos without a supercap? Then you are doing it wrong... .
This is actualy a discussion point for a general pos revamp try there... . |
krinan Orlenard
TRUSTproof
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 08:02:00 -
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So you think that there is no risk in w-space?
then change that! but not by posting stuff on the forum!
grab some friends, some some ships and add some risk to w-space!
the sandbox gives you the lemons, make something with them! |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
Beyond The Dark
91
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:45:00 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote: Maybe we should change NPC-bountys in 0.0 to tags wich have to be cashed in in HS
that actually sounds amazing, but would drive SO many people out of null sec. Too many, probably.
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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
345
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Posted - 2012.12.18 10:09:00 -
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ma perke wrote:- The number of WH connecting K-space should be increased in order to increase pvp.
Oh please, oh please, oh please. CCP, do it. Do it NAO!
As for the rest of your troll thread... LOLOL |
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