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Pinaculus
Hole Busters
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Posted - 2012.12.20 23:49:00 -
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And you can always edit out the really embarrassing deaths from your YouTube videos... I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |

Seven Koskanaiken
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.12.21 01:29:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Solo pvp has been dead for an extremely long time now. As amazing as those kills are, I'm not going to say solo pvp is fine because some idiots derped some black ops ships on a cruiser taking gate guns. Most impressive pvp results are either due to planning or to the enemy derping in some extremely stupid fashion. I used to think low of my pvp abilities because I felt that most of my kills were due to the enemies being ****-fit or making obvious mistakes. How can you be proud after winning that sort of fight? Then I started watching solo pvp videos from people who know what they are doing - and realized that the only reason they can get away with seemingly impossible stunts is not because of their own god-like skills but because their enemies derp all the time. What is "seemingly impossible" is usually impossible if your enemy doesn't make mistakes - whether your name is John Doe or Garmon. The "trick" to solo pvp is to gamble on your enemies derping frequently while trying to make few mistakes of your own.
If you are in a woods chased by a bear, you don't need to be a good runner, just faster than your slowest friend |

ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
22
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Posted - 2012.12.21 02:31:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:When people say they want to solo pve, everyone points out this is a MMO.
When you go out for solo pvp, you're fighting.........................
come on, you know this........................
last chance........
another player! |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1080
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:10:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:Dear god. Not this thread again... Solo PVP is not dead. You just need to know how to do it. You can't expect to log in, undock, and find an afk Navy Issue in the top belt. You must actually put in some leg work. Rather than sitting on gates in massive blobs you must find the target best suited for your current fit. Or just shoot at everything like I do. Akai Kvaesir wrote: Solo PVP requires thought (gasp!) patience (double gasp!) and dedication (what does that even mean?!).
This to
I rarely try my hand at solo PVP but the few times I have I've noted the following:
Picking your targets is the most important thing. Anyone saying solo PVP is dead should probably watch a Kovorix video or something. I had the pleasure of getting my ass kicked by him once (Right when ASB's were introduced) and I ended up dropping a hotdrop gang on him to find his fit (I'm bad at reading patch notes).
I then copied his fit, modified it to fit a cloak and lived in IRC space for a week picking off interesting targets before I overcommited and blew up. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1907
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:27:00 -
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Not even going to read a stupid article about something EVE was never intended for.
Solo PvP has ALWAYS been dead. This is a massive multiplayer game, always has been. Not 1v1 deathmatch, never will be.
For those of you who don't get it. MMO stands for Massive Multiplayer Online. Massive does not mean 2. Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821 |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2261
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:50:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Not even going to read a stupid article about something EVE was never intended for.
I knew you wouldn't, you are so easily lead, which is why the title, "solo PvP is dead."
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
2261
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Posted - 2012.12.21 04:55:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:As for the OP. Solo doesn't involve links and remote reps which this pilot uses. What was the point of this thread?
Remote reps would explain his extraordinary luck. Did Jester misreport this fight? Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
326
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Posted - 2012.12.21 06:35:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Lady Spank wrote:As for the OP. Solo doesn't involve links and remote reps which this pilot uses. What was the point of this thread? Remote reps would explain his extraordinary luck. Did Jester misreport this fight?
Not sure but looking at the Arbi fit suggests he had armor links, not RR. But that's just a guess either way.
Also, quite funny how the vast majority of repliers completely misses the point. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5549
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Posted - 2012.12.21 06:41:00 -
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8/10 look at all those bites! MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |

Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
381
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:23:00 -
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I saw a show on Discovery a few nights ago about a city in India where they followed a bunch of people around as they did their "job". They lived in a gold town but didn't have jobs at the jewelry shops so they would pan the waste water outside the houses of people who did work there. They would get a few hundred milligrams of gold dust a month that washed off their bodies when they took a shower.
Solo PvP is like that in EVE. it always was. It's a gank based game. It always was. Gank beats tank, people have a habit of using what works. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:35:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Also, quite funny how the vast majority of repliers completely misses the point. This.
Thanks for the link OP, I lol'd  |

Danny John-Peter
New Eden Renegades Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
153
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:42:00 -
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Solo PVP isnt dead, it just requires a bit of thought. |

Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
139
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:12:00 -
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I agree guys, I think any player that doesn't want to play with other people and ignore the majority of Eve's content should be awarded with the "solo module" this module will take up a rig slot (so yeah, technically it's a rig) and what it will do is the following:
Passive buffs:
Make the user immune to Ecm
Double speed
Double tank
Make blasters reach over 100km
Artillery's rate of fire is trippled and can now hit frigates for 100% damage.
If you're flying with a cloak equipped you can now shoot while cloaked.
Active:
When activated it forces all enemy units currently on grid to be propelled 100km in random directions with an added -100% speed and inability to warp for 5 minutes, which will allow you to solo pvp blobs on your terms.
If overheated you will automatically start filming a montage while spamming "Nerf ECM" "Blobbers are cowards" "L2p" "This is MY sandbox and I should play it how I want" in local and all coalition hub-systems. |

Xuse Senna
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
555
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:33:00 -
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Nice Kills, Gonna blow the dust off an Arb and Throw it out there, But I'll tweak the fit for a prop mod ;) Seriously I need a Decent Siggy :| |

Raneru
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
52
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:01:00 -
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Black ops fail  |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2344
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:11:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote: Picking your targets is the most important thing. Anyone saying solo PVP is dead should probably watch a Kovorix video or something. I had the pleasure of getting my ass kicked by him once (Right when ASB's were introduced) and I ended up dropping a hotdrop gang on him to find his fit (I'm bad at reading patch notes).
How lame, in other PvP MMOs nobody would team with you any more.
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Knights Armament
Disability Benefits
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:15:00 -
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pvp in eve
watch ms paint lasers
ship explodes
you pressed 1 button
pretty sweet When the DUST is settled, everything will change.
EVERYTHING |

Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
139
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:21:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:pvp in eve
watch ms paint lasers
ship explodes
you pressed 1 button
pretty sweet
Trolling is haaaard |

Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
158
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:24:00 -
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Definition of solo PvP?
A player who wants gentlemanly agreed upon one-on-one?
Or is it a player who wants to be able to sneak upon unsuspecting victims, hit them quickly then run off before his buddies show up?
The former is a matter of trust (heard something about a new feature which would allow for one on one fights, dunno what happened to it though)
The latter? Yeah, it is definitely very EVE-like...in theory. Too bad reality is something entirely different. You know, instant information being the same old issue and all. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
326
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:30:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Definition of solo PvP?
A player who wants gentlemanly agreed upon one-on-one?
Or is it a player who wants to be able to sneak upon unsuspecting victims, hit them quickly then run off before his buddies show up?
The former is a matter of trust (heard something about a new feature which would allow for one on one fights, dunno what happened to it though)
The latter? Yeah, it is definitely very EVE-like...in theory. Too bad reality is something entirely different. You know, instant information being the same old issue and all.
Flying alone and taking fight as they come. Trying to outwit, out manoeuvre and outrun groups till one of them makes a mistake and then strike, repeat if possible. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2344
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:38:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote: Flying alone and taking fight as they come. Trying to outwit, out manoeuvre and outrun groups till one of them makes a mistake and then strike, repeat if possible.
The fun thing is that this is commonly done in other MMOs. On WH we'd call them "boisbands" but I have also done it in GW2. It's about small (2-4-6) groups of players going against 30-50-60 other players baiting and slowly killing them one by one.
It really gives some adrenaline rush to go 1 vs 10 and still farm them. Gotta use all the experience, less known skills, (in some games) time potions, line of sight, all sorts of bait tricks, experience about how collision works, deep knowledge of the terrain features, knowing how to GTFO in case of emergency, being able to stay alive till somebody "resses" the fallen guy(s).
I wonder if EvE got some squads playing like that.
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
158
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:48:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:Gillia Winddancer wrote:Definition of solo PvP?
A player who wants gentlemanly agreed upon one-on-one?
Or is it a player who wants to be able to sneak upon unsuspecting victims, hit them quickly then run off before his buddies show up?
The former is a matter of trust (heard something about a new feature which would allow for one on one fights, dunno what happened to it though)
The latter? Yeah, it is definitely very EVE-like...in theory. Too bad reality is something entirely different. You know, instant information being the same old issue and all. Flying alone and taking fight as they come. Trying to outwit, out manoeuvre and outrun groups till one of them makes a mistake and then strike, repeat if possible.
Ah yes, that is always possible but I do also believe that there are very few of the solo PvP players who do this, no? This does require rather extensive experience after all and precise knowledge of many factors.
And then there is still the question of whether these players would want EVE to increase their odds somewhat by offering them the chance of surprise attacking enemies, even if outnumbered. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
326
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:37:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:Ah yes, that is always possible but I do also believe that there are very few of the solo PvP players who do this, no? This does require rather extensive experience after all and precise knowledge of many factors.
And then there is still the question of whether these players would want EVE to increase their odds somewhat by offering them the chance of surprise attacking enemies, even if outnumbered.
It requires an actual understanding of the game, mechanics, ships, fits and strategies. Something which most people severely lack whether they're fierce 0.0 pvpers or not. In fact most people who pvp in 0.0 are quite clueless on things, all they're good at is following orders (and even that they manage to mess up). They act all brave and shout a lot but when push comes to shove they're just as clueless as the average high sec bear.
Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. |

Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
170
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Posted - 2012.12.21 15:47:00 -
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Solo pvp die long time ago, solo exist long time ago when EvE start and few people know to pvp and roaming solo in low sec- nulls pace, these days solo is almost impossible exept like you are camper in stealth recon and wainting for some rating noob with pve fit, even this expamle isynt a true solo...
EvE never Die but solo die long time ago. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |

Amarra Mandalin
Protocol 52
430
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:25:00 -
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Where does one get that EVE being an MMO = Solo PvP was never intended?
EVE is a Sandbox. If I want to kill something and someone is willing to fly solo -- should we cross paths, there is a possibility one of us may die. This scenario has been repeated more than a few times, me thinks.
Solo PvP in my mind also includes (some) solo kills within the larger scheme of PvP be it FW, war, etc. Albeit it is often defined as roaming and camping for targets.
Then there is this ... http://eve-kill.net/?a=home&solo=true
It's not a particularly exciting page, I admit. |

Ares Desideratus
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:36:00 -
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Solo, it's deader than dead
The shock, it's all in your head |

Amarra Mandalin
Protocol 52
430
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:44:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:Solo, it's deader than dead
The shock, it's all in your head
To be fair, not everyone is lucky enough to have the Solo Channel...so quit rubbing it in.  |

Seven Koskanaiken
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.12.21 16:55:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Not even going to read a stupid article about something EVE was never intended for.
Solo PvP has ALWAYS been dead. This is a massive multiplayer game, always has been. Not 1v1 deathmatch, never will be.
For those of you who don't get it. MMO stands for Massive Multiplayer Online. Massive does not mean 2.
ooooh call the mmo police
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
730
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:10:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:if solo pvp were dead i wouldn't play this awful game
Dead and effectively dead are quite different. Effectively solo pvp is dead. Time commitment + chance of being blobbed to death = effectively dead. Technically, no it's not. But then even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day. I think it's safe to say that technically, this wasn't even solo pvp otherwise this guy was blindly traversing lowsec. The odds are not in his favor of running into favorable or even semi-favorable fights. I would guess that he probably had a cov-op scouting his way and found something which looked favorable. Arazu's being what they are (I fly one) don't have a lot of tank and are not difficult to take down. Cudos to the pilot for his knowledge of combat to leverage the situation. But I highly doubt this is a case of a guy in a lone ship setting out to find pvp. Therefore, it's not technically solo pvp. At best it's a guy that knows what he's doing. At worst it's a very lucky pilot. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
176
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Posted - 2012.12.21 18:52:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Two people didn't read the linked article before posting.
I don't think that solo PVP is dead. I have friends that do so all the time. I even try my hand at it occaisionally. Also, I have stopped reading Jester's blogs since he went full pants on head ********. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
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