i think if you break a trillion isk you are among the few.

welcome to 3 years ago

The way I always looked at it in relative terms :

Eve Billionaire ~ RL Millionaire
Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Billionaire


It's nice to have a billion isk but when it comes down to it yer still limited much like if you had 1 million USD
RL billionaires use to be in a really small group but now a days they seem to be springing up everywhere much like Eve Trillionaires.

Based on what? you really going to argue that there are a large number of players that personally are worth more than a trillion isk with no evidence to back it up?

I think being wealthy in eve is being able to do what you want, when you want, without worrying about what you're doing. In those terms, there are plenty of wealthy people in eve.

Well - if you really want to know

Have a look at the ISK stats from CCP Diagnos (or something) posted while he was doing his stats of EVE.

I'm still working on breaking the top 2% :D

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Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Millionaire

I think being wealthy in eve is being able to do what you want, when you want, without worrying about what you're doing. In those terms, there are plenty of wealthy people in eve.

This guy has the right answer, though. Wealth in eve is a means to an end, and if you can achieve that end, you're wealthy in the only way that matters.

My two cents:

1 million isk is the equivalent of about 30 cents US (depending on the price of plex).

1 billion isk is about 30 USD.

1 trillion isk is about 30 thousand USD.

100 trillion isk is about 3,000,000 USD.

So... in terms of investing in a game.... if you have 1 trillion isk (and you could convert isk to dollars), you would be able to buy a car. How many people would trade a car (nice one at that) for eve? I would say that somewhere around the 100 billion mark or so you can start to say you're eve rich. If you have 1 trillion or more you're allowed to own a vault in order to swim in your own isk. 100 trillion and you clearly need to find a more challenging (and possibly less expensive) hobby.

From personal experience, you are wealthy , rich , independent, socially secure, when you stop caring about ISK in general.
"I want that ship, that fit, that stuff." And you just buy it. And you don't care.

Then the OP is asking the wrong question.

Well, no. Not quite true.

If his purpose in Eve, if his end that the wealth is a means to, is simply accumulating enough wealth to be considered "wealthy", then his question is apt.

I think being wealthy in eve is being able to do what you want, when you want, without worrying about what you're doing. In those terms, there are plenty of wealthy people in eve.

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I guess I'm doing okay?

common sense...

when every random 99%-scrublord can have 100bn and more, there must be some more dudes having trillions+

I dont want to ruin ur illusion of beeing rich, but like I said, 3 years ago there have been many dudes (thats just those I knew), having way more than a trillion, and they havent quit after reaching that mark.

Eve Online is good for Veterans who started playing back in 2003. But it's unfair to players who started playing in .....2010 for example (if you want to compare who has the ability to make more ISK)

There were many more opportunities to get rich fast back in 2003 / 2004, and all the way up until a few expansions ago. Like Tech 2 BPO's, NPC Commodities trading in 0.0 stations, Reactions, Insurance Scam, ETC.

I bet you half of the trillionaires, and people who have 700 - 800 Billion, cannot become so rich, if they actually started playing right now (from 2012 - 2020), instead of playing from 2004 - 2012.

many new opportunities appear with great regularity.

True, but we cannot be sure what will happen in the future........we only know what has happened in the past.

There are enough opportunties available to you right now, you don't need to see the future to find them.

Also I think that we can all assume that CCP will continue to release financially exploitable features with each major patch. For those you CAN know the future by consulting the dev blogs, forums, test servers and patch notes.

If you're unable to make use of the opportunities given to you now, what makes you think you would have made use of the opportunities of the past even if you were around then?

The game changes, that's a given, but it's certainly not getting harder.

Eve Online is good for Veterans who started playing back in 2003. But it's unfair to newer players who started playing in .....2010 for example (if you want to compare who has the ability to make more ISK)

There were many more opportunities to get rich fast back in 2003 / 2004, and all the way up until a few expansions ago. Like Tech 2 BPO's, NPC Commodities trading in 0.0 stations, Reactions, Insurance Scam, Dysprosium, ETC.

I bet you half of the trillionaires, and people who have 700 - 800 Billion, cannot become so rich, if they actually started playing right now for 8 years (from 2012 - 2020), instead of playing from 2004 - 2012.

Even if they become the director of a large alliance, they cannot make nearly as much ISK from moon goo now, as they did years ago.

I have accumulated over 500 B ..

I call this bull **** too, because just a year ago you were placing regional buy orders for tech 1 modules such as Microwarpdrive for refining. I know because I sold a few different Tech 1 modules to check who was buying it.

Why would someone who have hundreds of billion...or even a hundred billion....bother to go through all this trouble for a few bucks, and have Tech 1 modules scattered all over the region?

Buying un-researched BPO's in other regions (such as Cruisers, and Capital Component BPO's, etc.) and then selling them in Jita for a profit is very tedious and time consuming. Why would someone with over 100 billion bother to do that either? The same goes with researched BPO trading.

Your one of those people who are the sole purpose i changed my bio for ....

Insult all you want. Judging from your forum activity - 500 Billion Net Worth individuals don't need to make ISK as actively as you do. 200 Billion net work individuals don't even need to do that.

How about we do this - show me a screen shot to prove you have 500 Billion, and I'll shut my mouth. I am not afraid to be proven wrong. I'll show you mine if you show me yours =D

So the thread has devolved into people squabbling over whether you can or cannot back up your claims to wealth already. That didn't take long

As i said i hate trading 0.01 isking etc.Now tell me how much time investment does it need to fuel a pos once a month , flip bpo's once a month and once they are done after 5 to 6 months bump the WTS once a day.Buying a nyx bpo for 10 B then bumping a wts thread for 10 days to sell it for 3B more , again how much work again?Buying 2 titan bpo's for 50B each to bump the wts to sell it offf for 5B profit , yet again how much work?


As i explained earlier and what my point is/was is that a person who started trade in 2009/2010 could have made 700-800 B for sure.That is just a simple fact when i look what i invested time wise and how much my wallet has grown.Don''t start with your ''show me your epeen i show you mine'' because all i am doing is being honest in saying how i accumulatd it and what i made.Wich should mean that others who have done their best to fully trade and/or did invest in speculation should easily have made more.

If you feel insulted that you did not accumulate that much when i say it should have beeen easily doable then i am sorry for your loss but don't work it out on me.
I am trying to show that it can be done , all you are doing is trying to derail it into an e-peen fight , sorry but i'm not in the mood for that

This is a game i have nothing to lie over or to show off about.

if I had an e-peen, I would have claimed I had 800 Billion ISK, rather than a measly 240 Billion ISK. How would anybody prove otherwise? So I don't care.

The only reason why I claim you were bull shitting, is because the facts are telling me you are. A year and a half ago, you were placing Regional Buy orders for Tech 1 Modules, now you're selling Carrier / Dread BPO's.

Convo time +¡ngame because i REALLY dont feel like derailing this thread any more with this you said he said she said it was , once i got me a new beer i'll catch you ingame.

Apologies to others for this ....

Eve Online is good for Veterans who started playing back in 2003. But it's unfair to newer players who started playing in .....2010 for example (if you want to compare who has the ability to make more ISK)

There were many more opportunities to get rich fast back in 2003 / 2004, and all the way up until a few expansions ago. Like Tech 2 BPO's, NPC Commodities trading in 0.0 stations, Reactions, Insurance Scam, Dysprosium, ETC.

7t in assets and 174b liquid. How can i help?

Interesting topic... Dont really get the fact that ppl say how they earned their isk.

I remember after I had started playing for a few months. I saw a Nighthawk BPO for sale for 20 Billion ISK, and I really wanted to buy it, but I didn't have enough money. I considered buying some PLEX to get the money, but then decided against it....because it would cost a lot of real life $$$$. How much is it worth now? I'm not sure, but I think it's a lot more than 20 Billion ISK.

I was doing Insurance Scam when they nerfed it, I was doing Dysprosium reactions when they nerfed it. I was doing Officer / Dead Space module trading when everything was on Contracts, and there was no clear price reference - nerfed as well.

I was doing Mineral Trading and making 300 mil - 800 mil a day (800 mil was usually on the weekends or a lucky week day)......UNTIL I'm not sure what the hell CCP did (maybe massive mining bot ban), the mineral supply wasn't coming in that much anymore. And some people started imitating me by placing buy orders with the same Minimum Fill Quantity, and Order Quantity.

All these nerfs happened before I was able to do it for a long time.

I have made my share of ISK with the opportunities I have (around 240 Bil), but that's still considerably less than 700 Bil...and even More considerably less than 1 Trillion =P

Sure there might be new opportunities. However, the recent ones are just not as lucrative as....making 1 Billion ISK per 0.0 NPC Trade Run, or Buying a 20 Billion Nighthawk BPO, and have it appreciate to 80 Billion.

I like convo's, they're private.

And there was never "you said she said"......all I said was, you were placing Regional Buy Orders for Tech 1 Modules. Now you have 500 Bil, but you still sell Dread / Carrier BPO's =P

I dislike the way you make it seem as if i wanted it private to 'hide' something so i will bite your troll for that now.Last reply about that on the public forum from me .It's allready silly that i am such a child that i can't handle it if i am called a liar in a game.
I don't have an e-peen but i am one of those idiots who does have e-honour though wich is why i dislike being called a liar when i am not.Yes all you goons / scammers can point and laugh now

I am not selling dread/carrier bpo's , i am selling OVER 100 dread/carrier/ORE/capital component bpo's in one time , there's a difference there wich should be significant.The amount invested in that alone when i set it up was around 150 to 200 B.In the time they where in labs i was also buying 'multiple' titan and mothership bpo's AT THE SAME TIME in a few cases.That alone should tell you the LEAST i can have is 350 B purely in bpo's not accounting assets and what is in my wallet.

Also you say a year ago i bought T1 stuff for reproc/resale wich is true but if you would have checked you would know that a year before i was one of the largets investors on MD.So when i place buy orders for T1 items why does that mean i don't have accumulated any isk.I made my first isk with reproc so i did that to test if it still was as good so i would dabble in capital ship building.It was not so i just trasehd/quick resold the itmes.

I am not one to work on isk efficiency , i just dabble a bit on the left and after half a year a bit on the right.

As said all i have in mind ALLWAYS is to earn plex's for my accounts.A silly habbit if you have enough to last a lifetime of plex allmost for flakeys account wichis my main concern and as flakeys is subbed till 2014 a year plus ago.
That's btw 5 accounts i have as in your mail you where also guessing about those.One inactive , then flakeys and another one i use a lot and ihave 2 that where subbed witht he power of two program but now also need plex as the 6 months have passed.

In your mail you say you checked my contracts then also add that for an ME5 charon bpo a year ago you could not even get 300 for that ME5 in total profit as such you did not continue in bpo's.IF you actually had checked those public contracts as you claimed , you'd seen i get from 250 to 450 m per me for ALL the freighters , and some dreads too.The cap components 100-150 and the other capital ship's approx 100m per ME.Offcourse this can all crumble when they are out next time but i'm just playing around here.What comes , comes .

And i'm not even talking about the big load of ORE bpo's i have sold during this specific trade time.Just check how many ORE bpo's where sold when the mining ship change got launched to give an idea or other meaans wich gained me isk.

And no i never used rl cash for this as you also try to imply in your mail.The only rl cash spend on eve is my 2 main subs wich i paid till a year + back as mentioned by the time when i subbed flakeys till 2014 in one go.

How's that for transparancy ?

your a troll and remind me of setra ...

Where is the 150 bil bet!!!

your a troll and remind me of setra ... anyone who opens up my contracts btw immediatly sees i have 16 public contracts up wich kills your whole troll in a blink.

You're free to buy them all out now btw to prove you are right , it's good for profits.

So put your money where your mouth is.


You arrange a full audit through VV or grendell and pay for it.We both give 150 B to the person who does the audit and i give my full api's from all accounts and acces to my corp.

If i am proven right i get your 150 B , if i am wrong you get mine.

Now what a great way to earn you some easy 150 B isk mate so you can feel satisfied not playing with the small pennies any more.Because you're starting to sound butthurt you can not accomplish what a simple cook can without the use of speadsheets and 0.01 isking all day.

Arrange it and i will co-operate ,

Dare me ....

First of all, I am not butt hurt. I know what I've done, because I played actively from 2009 - 2011, and then I took a 2 year break from 2011 - 2012 after I got a full time job. Earning 240 Bil is not bad for 2 years of work, and I am proud of it.

Second, if you are willing to go to this extreme, then I admit, I was wrong to doubt you. Since both VV and Grendell are prominent figures.

The reason why I attacked you, is because I dis-like Social Engineers, and your story, about earning all this money through bonds - enough to buy Supercap BPO's, is still very sketchy to me.

Then challenge it, come on it's a game.This is pvp at it's finest , challenge me and find out what the outcome is.

If you even took the time to log in and have a chat this would have been obvious , but instead you prefer doing it in public.Here is your chance to publicly humiliate me and i have shown to have a vulnerable spot there.

I already admitted I was wrong to doubt that you have 500 bil.....OMG did I just admit I was wrong in public.

HOWEVER, If you sold PLEX to get your initial Bond nvestment years ago, there is nothing that VV, or Grendell can do to prove otherwise, the wallet history don't even go back that far.

Where is the 150 bil bet!!!

:D

He allmost begged for it , i confess i am weak and for a 37 year old childish enough to let myself get trolled out

Begged for what? I wasn't trying to troll.

If you had proposed the bet yesterday, the conversation would have ended yesterday, because I see you are willing to go to this extreme to prove it.

I can safely say that Flakeys deals with expensive BPOs because in the past I have asked him to go fetch them for me and then I bought off him.

Also, to stay in topic, I feel very rich for the very fact I can play EvE and other MMOs I love.


Eve? It's the same. I am rich not because I can buy a Titan but because there is MD and SCC where there are some awesome people like Flakeys, Samroski, RAW23 and a bunch of others.

I don't have incredible "one piece in game" items in EvE since I am a 2009 newb, but incredible "one person like that in game" guys no ISK could buy. Just knowing they are here makes me rich and happy.

Anyway , on topic.

The question is asked wrong it should be what is rich in eve not what is wealthy.

Wealth is something that combines feelings and isk/cash/income. If i surround myself with poor people i will feel wealthy a lot of the time while if i surround myself with people who have more i won't see myself as being wealthy.

Yet, if I surround myself with awesome people better than me, I will see myself as being wealthy

Many cuddles and smooches for a merry Christmas and happy new year!

Eve Online is good for Veterans who started playing back in 2003. But it's unfair to newer players who started playing in .....2010 for example (if you want to compare who has the ability to make more ISK)

There were many more opportunities to get rich fast back in 2003 / 2004, and all the way up until a few expansions ago. Like Tech 2 BPO's, NPC Commodities trading in 0.0 stations, Reactions, Insurance Scam, Dysprosium, ETC.

I bet you half of the trillionaires, and people who have 700 - 800 Billion, cannot become so rich, if they actually started playing right now for 8 years (from 2012 - 2020), instead of playing from 2004 - 2012.

Even if they become the director of a large alliance, they cannot make nearly as much ISK from moon goo now, as they did years ago.

It doesn't really matter how much money you have, just as long as it's more than everybody else you know.

Wealth generation is not something lacking in the EVE of today.

-I started amassing my wealth in 2010
-am Multi trillionare now
-I also do it with very little effort.
-If I was willing to do EFFORT in EVE, it would be even higher.
-Im a Director of Goonswarm Alliance in EVE ONLINE

what are you trying to tell us, son?

Even major corporation CEO's in the real world work 70 - 80 hour a week, and they work much more than most employees.

So he is implying that he's some kind of genius, and can be rich without working hard.

You know what? When I posted this, I guess really, down at the core, I wondered..., how many people (percent of EVE population) could outright buy a Titan in the next hour?

I see these go for 95 - 110 Billion ISK in das Forums. So in short, to me, if you can buy one (either outright or by cashing out some assets real quick) then, sir, Mr. Capsuleer, I salute you. You are wealthy.

Now, if you have Cribba-type obscenely wealthy money (so IGÇÖm told); then you buy that Erebus, fill yourself with Snake Implants and then order RAMMING SPEED! Then you hav won EVE.

Now, if you have Cribba-type obscenely wealthy money (so IGÇÖm told); then you buy that Erebus, fill yourself with Snake Implants and then order RAMMING SPEED! Then you hav won EVE.

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I see these go for 95 - 110 Billion ISK in das Forums. So in short, to me, if you can buy one (either outright or by cashing out some assets real quick) then, sir, Mr. Capsuleer, I salute you. You are wealthy.

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Eve Trillionaire ~ RL Millionaire

I should think that wealthy in a game such as EVE should simply be defined as the state in which your income equals or exceeds your expenses.

So, as long as you can easily afford to replace what you lose, then you are wealthy.

Now, if you make sufficient income such that your losses are of no concern to you whatsoever, then you should consider yourself to be filthy rich.

And, finally, if you make or have so much ISK such that (a) you can never spend it all and/or (b) don't know what to spend it on, then you probably should find some other game to play, because EVE is clearly not enough of a challenge for you. :)

Even major corporation CEO's in the real world work 70 - 80 hour a week, and they work much more than most employees.

So he is implying that he's some kind of genius, and can be rich without working hard.

Having been a director, worked with and worked for CEO's, Presidents, VPs, etc... Such 70-80 hours are sporadically done at best. Small organizations have far more "hard working" seniors and exec's than larger organizations.

Having been a director, worked with and worked for CEO's, Presidents, VPs, etc... Such 70-80 hours are sporadically done at best. Small organizations have far more "hard working" seniors and exec's than larger organizations.

Also what is termed "work" by them is anything work related - from dinner's around to golf outings and such. Not quite the same for others.

As such, from what I've seen, it's not quite so arduous as you make it out to be nor quite so time consuming and far from the focus of others that are working at specific, given tasks within an organization.

CCP in the last year stated that the average active account has around 600m.

CCP really needs to post a bellcurve.

Both statements sound about right since I'm sure there are a number of us who end up converting our ISK to PLEX every 600m or so. I feel that the "average joe" probably does make about 1B a month which is about enough to PLEX 2 accounts, but averages tend to get skewed by people with ridiculous amounts of money and people who are just here for the trial. I just hope CCP has more things we can spend PLEX on like resculpts and E-On since I don't really feel a need for more than 2 accounts.