I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT CCP STOP ******* WITH THE CORE OF THE GAME AND FIX WHAT IS ******,

It's really a bad idea. If I can't mine my own ice I'll drop the POS

It's really a bad idea. If I can't mine my own ice I'll drop the POS; just the way I do things - There'll just be an initial 30/35 day delay in my manufacturing flow. Don't know why all these knee jerk reactions and 0.0 asskissing actions.

God I love this hide function - reading the forums are interesting and informative again :)

That's fine.

What's unfortunate is that you likely lack the capacity to fully grasp why it actually isn't.

As a person who spends the majority of their time in highsec and watching the same numbered ALTs go back and forth, back and forth to Ice belts in Mackinaws, Orcas and pods. i personally think everywhere in Eve should be like nullsec.


Us highsec people have it too easy, for too long have people cowered behind concord protection in the hopes that you can go read a book while you set your char to do the most menial job in the game..

No chance, if there was no concord protection, if everyone lived in a null type system, then that would mean people would have to work together, bigger corps using game mechanics to take care of their industrial wings, protected mining ops with the constant threat of a drop. NEEDING other players to take care of the corp/alliance income, dedicated pvp wings escorting indys to a well scouted system and deploying in the hopes all goes well.

The prices for everything would rise that is true, but so would the rewards. if you had to be alive and awake to actually go out into space and (heaven forbid) watch what is happening then you would feel like you accomplished something when your fleet of industrialists clear out a belt or fill up enough ice to make profit/fuel everything, while your intel channels and scouts have done their job well and you can pack up that rorq and gtfo back home.

if you people dont want to play together, and you only want the easy ISK then you're doing it wrong. the whole concept of "eve is real" should be knowing that at any time, you may be attacked for your goods, just as you are in real life.


And again, i spend a lot of time in highsec, and even when i first started in eve and learned of concord, i thought it was too easy.

this is not WoW, new players should have to learn how to survive if they want to survive. and if they cant do that, then they shouldn't be playing.

This guy gets it. Nice post.

As a person who spends the majority of their time in highsec and watching the same numbered ALTs go back and forth, back and forth to Ice belts in Mackinaws, Orcas and pods. i personally think everywhere in Eve should be like nullsec.

this is not WoW, new players should have to learn how to survive if they want to survive. and if they cant do that, then they shouldn't be playing.

No he doesn't. It's a small minded post that fails completely to fully consider the ripple effects this has on the entire game.

So why aren't you in nullsec the majority of times if you want everywhere to be like it?

What do you think would happen if they scrapped the whole sec system and made everywhere lawless?

That's hilarious coming from the guy who only considers game mechanics from the pov of a wh resident. Leave your hole every once in a while...there's a whole big game world out there.

**** wits that are carrying on about the market mine the ice urself ,i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums :

1: i pay 260+ dollars a year for this game and the last time i payed my sub i never ticked any box that siad all my time a sp invested in ice mining to fuel my pos are now going to be wasted becuase ice is going to low sec or WH`s .

Here is your legal opinion (courtesy of a game lawyer who gave a presentation on this at Eve Vegas 2011): You pay CCP for game time. In fact CCP makes it VERY clear you are simply purchasing TIME and nothing else. (Read the fine print for the terms of service.)

Since TIME is all you purchase, an often used example of threatening to sue a game maker is: if your ship gets ganked in highsec and you cry that you are going to sue CCP for allowing your uber leet pee vee eee nightmare to be ganked.. youGÇÖll get laughed out of court because CCP will say GÇ£we provided you your time in the game. The fact that you were logged into the game and were flying it when it was ganked is proof enough.GÇ¥ And that will be the end of it.

Same will go if they move all ice out of highsec. TheyGÇÖre still haven't stopped providing you your paid for time in the game world.

So. Good luck.

i have a lot isk and time in skills invested in mining ice for my POS

Well, at the very least...
Exhumers V - 1,280,000
Mining Barge V - 1,024,000
Astrogeology V - 768,000
Mining V - 256,000
Ice Harvesting V - 256,000

For the sake of your arguement, assume:
Hydromagnetic Physics IV - 226,000
Refining V - 256,000
Refinery Efficiency V - 768,000
Ice Processing V - 1,280,000 (why?)
Cybernetics V - 768,000

Total skill points: 6,882,000

I've got more than that in Gunnery alone and I can barely hit anything.

Right. Real lot invested there, isn't it. Especially since none of those skills (at all, not even just two out of the bunch!) can be used in other areas of gameplay...

Continuing the mini-game idea, why not tie ice mining with probing mechanics?

Keep ice in high-sec but make ice belts a type of mag site. These sites would spawn in the same ice constellations as today and would have a limited amount of ice, respawning in another system in the same constellation once depleted. The sites would be guarded by moderately strong npc's that respawn but have a 5 minute aggro timer. While this is not a foolproof solution to the bot problem (I'll leave it to you to come up with ways for bot handlers to bypass this) it would skew things more in favor of the human player.

To spice things up a bit, low-sec and null-sec fixed ice belts could be kept as is and these ice mag sites made exclusive to high-sec. The backstory justification could be that all the known high-sec ice belts were long depleted and only scattered ice fields remain to be exploited by those who can find them. Since low and null have yet to be tapped, fixed ice belts are still available.