i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums :

i have a lot isk and time in skills invested in mining ice for my POS

Why would yuo do this i have a lot isk and time in skills invested in mining ice for my POS ,if you take out ice from high sec is is no longer viable to mine for my POS i dont give a rats ass about price if you whining **** wits that are carrying on about the market mine the ice urself ,i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums :

1: i pay 260+ dollars a year for this game and the last time i payed my sub i never ticked any box that siad all my time a sp invested in ice mining to fuel my pos are now going to be wasted becuase ice is going to low sec or WH`s .

2: every body knows that low sec is where the low lifes live and the price of ice would far excede that for making a POS even isk stable

3: those that make low sc a pain in the ass are the same people that make high sec Wh ing not worth it .

4. certain people in this game like ******* with people that just play for thier own reasons other than that of PVP and profitteering from others loss.

and the main reason THIS WILL BE ANOTHER MOVE EXACTLY THE SAME AS AURUM AND VANITY CRAP, IF YOU MAKE IT UNPLEASANT OR CHANGE THE STATUS QUO 2 MUCH BYE BYE SUBSCRIPTION OF INDUSTRIAL TOONS AND BYE BIG CHUNK OF THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE **** SO pvp CAN BE FUN .

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT CCP STOP ******* WITH THE CORE OF THE GAME AND FIX WHAT IS ******,

also where was this finally announced

Thinking about it a bit, not sure where we're going to go. We might not change it at all, we might just make hisec belts deplete (and regen as normal) so they can roughly meet hisec demand.

I came expecting tears and left satisfied..

you pay to play eve

Would there really be a major difference in bot mechanics between Hi and null sec?

Surely the only change to the bot would be 'if friendly in local continue mining, if non friendly return to station' friendly being donated as corp/alliance/blue and non friendly being everybody else.

All i hear are carebear tears.......

Dude, games change. If you'd rather sit in empire and rot be my guest.

You could have seen it as an opportunity to make tons of iskies in 0.0. but nooooooooooo. It doesn't fit into your little box of what you think eve should be. Roll with the punches dude.

The thing that is funniest in this thread is the people who brush off or justify a change like this by saying, games change or you will have to change blah blah blah. While the angst is high on a proposition like this by those in high sec I simply have a couple of observations. First, is the patronage of players in high sec somehow inherently less valuable to CCP in some way that their game experience is so easily dismissed and relegated as some kind of experimental test monkey? Second, if the roles were reversed and a devblog was published where they were talking about moving high end moons to .2 and .3 space and ABCM minerals to highsec, the flood of tears would be enough to drown the world.

This guys says it all.

Removing ice from high sec will be a bad move for the industries in New Eden and the markets. Who ever thought this would be a good idea needs to have their one remaining brain cell taken off them. And anyone who thinks this is good needs a shotgun putting to their head to have an air conditioned brain.
Its the real life equivelance of removing all the pine trees in Scandinavia "OMG no more Ikea"

2: every body knows that low sec is where the low lifes live and the price of ice would far excede that for making a POS even isk stable

Ho wait, take rat belts away from the game too. Make every zone like 0.0 !! That's it, this is how eve should be: 100 stupid nerds shooting each other and 80% actual players leaving for other games.

Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?

Probably because you're not very bright. It doesn't require a whole lot of thought to trace out the consequences if there's a massive spike in pos fuel prices. When you make pos's in high sec and wormhole space dependant on fuel coming from null... everything they produce will spike in price, and only those that can continue to afford fuel will be able to keep going.

Adapt or die...I'm pretty certain this is the way that eve was meant to be played. I think that POS setups are all too common right now and that we need to have something to curtail it. Everyone and their mother should not be able to run a pos just because.

Adapt or die...I'm pretty certain this is the way that eve was meant to be played. I think that POS setups are all too common right now and that we need to have something to curtail it. Everyone and their mother should not be able to run a pos just because.

Im pretty certain your d**k and your brain is really small. ( Adapt or die is for the real world where there is a food chain)

What do you care if me or my mom has a POS. Thats the way I like to play "F" you.

Just because you dont have the intelligence to set up much less manage a POS doesnt mean those with an IQ higher than a Veldspar roid cant do so if we please in Hi-sec or anywhere else.

Its hi-sec because its civilized and the knuckle draggers like you cant stand the thought of nice people doing nice things.

This is internet spaceships where we ALL are supposed to have fun, not YOUR idea of fun.

So because you pay more than I do every month your fricking opinion about what I can and cant do in this game matters?

Its people like you that keep people like me from wanting to go to null sec in the first place.

So calm down i don't expect they will be taking ice away from high sec and give it to the nullsec idiots and let the whole economy go into a deep ressecsion it will never recover from

Clearly goons are just on a humanitarian mission with only the good health of their fellow players in mind.

Don't you think making 0.0 empires mine their own ice is worth watching? Belligerent Super cap pilots may still be.

I would LOVE for them to move ICE to null/low WITH some conditions:

A.) ICE must spawn at all grav sites and scaned out, NO ice patch on overview period.

B.)Cycle times be reduced

C.) Macks get a +2 warp stab built in

It would give miners some nice isk/hour finally with some kind of servivability.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS BULLSHIT CCP STOP ******* WITH THE CORE OF THE GAME AND FIX WHAT IS ******,

It's really a bad idea. If I can't mine my own ice I'll drop the POS

It's really a bad idea. If I can't mine my own ice I'll drop the POS; just the way I do things - There'll just be an initial 30/35 day delay in my manufacturing flow. Don't know why all these knee jerk reactions and 0.0 asskissing actions.

God I love this hide function - reading the forums are interesting and informative again :)

That's fine.

What's unfortunate is that you likely lack the capacity to fully grasp why it actually isn't.

As a person who spends the majority of their time in highsec and watching the same numbered ALTs go back and forth, back and forth to Ice belts in Mackinaws, Orcas and pods. i personally think everywhere in Eve should be like nullsec.


Us highsec people have it too easy, for too long have people cowered behind concord protection in the hopes that you can go read a book while you set your char to do the most menial job in the game..

No chance, if there was no concord protection, if everyone lived in a null type system, then that would mean people would have to work together, bigger corps using game mechanics to take care of their industrial wings, protected mining ops with the constant threat of a drop. NEEDING other players to take care of the corp/alliance income, dedicated pvp wings escorting indys to a well scouted system and deploying in the hopes all goes well.

The prices for everything would rise that is true, but so would the rewards. if you had to be alive and awake to actually go out into space and (heaven forbid) watch what is happening then you would feel like you accomplished something when your fleet of industrialists clear out a belt or fill up enough ice to make profit/fuel everything, while your intel channels and scouts have done their job well and you can pack up that rorq and gtfo back home.

if you people dont want to play together, and you only want the easy ISK then you're doing it wrong. the whole concept of "eve is real" should be knowing that at any time, you may be attacked for your goods, just as you are in real life.


And again, i spend a lot of time in highsec, and even when i first started in eve and learned of concord, i thought it was too easy.

this is not WoW, new players should have to learn how to survive if they want to survive. and if they cant do that, then they shouldn't be playing.

This guy gets it. Nice post.

As a person who spends the majority of their time in highsec and watching the same numbered ALTs go back and forth, back and forth to Ice belts in Mackinaws, Orcas and pods. i personally think everywhere in Eve should be like nullsec.

this is not WoW, new players should have to learn how to survive if they want to survive. and if they cant do that, then they shouldn't be playing.

No he doesn't. It's a small minded post that fails completely to fully consider the ripple effects this has on the entire game.

So why aren't you in nullsec the majority of times if you want everywhere to be like it?

What do you think would happen if they scrapped the whole sec system and made everywhere lawless?

That's hilarious coming from the guy who only considers game mechanics from the pov of a wh resident. Leave your hole every once in a while...there's a whole big game world out there.

**** wits that are carrying on about the market mine the ice urself ,i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums :

1: i pay 260+ dollars a year for this game and the last time i payed my sub i never ticked any box that siad all my time a sp invested in ice mining to fuel my pos are now going to be wasted becuase ice is going to low sec or WH`s .

Here is your legal opinion (courtesy of a game lawyer who gave a presentation on this at Eve Vegas 2011): You pay CCP for game time. In fact CCP makes it VERY clear you are simply purchasing TIME and nothing else. (Read the fine print for the terms of service.)

Since TIME is all you purchase, an often used example of threatening to sue a game maker is: if your ship gets ganked in highsec and you cry that you are going to sue CCP for allowing your uber leet pee vee eee nightmare to be ganked.. youGÇÖll get laughed out of court because CCP will say GÇ£we provided you your time in the game. The fact that you were logged into the game and were flying it when it was ganked is proof enough.GÇ¥ And that will be the end of it.

Same will go if they move all ice out of highsec. TheyGÇÖre still haven't stopped providing you your paid for time in the game world.

So. Good luck.

i have a lot isk and time in skills invested in mining ice for my POS

Well, at the very least...
Exhumers V - 1,280,000
Mining Barge V - 1,024,000
Astrogeology V - 768,000
Mining V - 256,000
Ice Harvesting V - 256,000

For the sake of your arguement, assume:
Hydromagnetic Physics IV - 226,000
Refining V - 256,000
Refinery Efficiency V - 768,000
Ice Processing V - 1,280,000 (why?)
Cybernetics V - 768,000

Total skill points: 6,882,000

I've got more than that in Gunnery alone and I can barely hit anything.

Right. Real lot invested there, isn't it. Especially since none of those skills (at all, not even just two out of the bunch!) can be used in other areas of gameplay...

Continuing the mini-game idea, why not tie ice mining with probing mechanics?

Keep ice in high-sec but make ice belts a type of mag site. These sites would spawn in the same ice constellations as today and would have a limited amount of ice, respawning in another system in the same constellation once depleted. The sites would be guarded by moderately strong npc's that respawn but have a 5 minute aggro timer. While this is not a foolproof solution to the bot problem (I'll leave it to you to come up with ways for bot handlers to bypass this) it would skew things more in favor of the human player.

To spice things up a bit, low-sec and null-sec fixed ice belts could be kept as is and these ice mag sites made exclusive to high-sec. The backstory justification could be that all the known high-sec ice belts were long depleted and only scattered ice fields remain to be exploited by those who can find them. Since low and null have yet to be tapped, fixed ice belts are still available.

Freaking forum ate my post I'm sick of this forum, I spent ages comprising a reply, and it's disappeared, I should have ctrl+c'd it but meh..

Keep ice in high-sec but make ice belts a type of mag site. .

You're forgetting what the stated intent was with regards to taking ice our of high sec... to get more people into null space. Changing how ice is harvested in high has nothing to do with that... that's not the perceived problem. The perceived problem is not enough people in null, and the imagined solution was "resource redistribution" in order to get people into null. Of course, they forget that people are in null because they want to be and in high because they want to be. Taking away ice won't make null attractive to those with no desire to go there. They'll either do something else or quit.

tbh ccp seams determined to close this game completely removing hi sec ice is just one more act of ccp bowing to the gankers bot miners dont bother me i applaud the ingenuity it takes to write and run it. the nerf will drive the price of ice sky high wich will shut down many hi sec pos more than a few low sec ones drive the price of items that are pos only made back up or just wreck them for profit

yeah you can get 100m per/h in high sec and 300m per pos is to expensive? lol

who said ccp will remove ice from high sec?

there was a brainstorming about what to do with Eve in the future, but nothing more then that. And thats it no more then 10% of a brainstorming come into the final product so no worries, the thread is senseless

I think CCP should remove ice from space altogether and sell Oxygen Isotopes for aurum. This is the best solution

i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums :

1: i pay 260+ dollars a year for this game and the last time i payed my sub i never ticked any box that siad all my time a sp invested in ice mining to fuel my pos are now going to be wasted becuase ice is going to low sec or WH`s

and then you mine ice

[quote=marie claude]

who said ccp will remove ice from high sec?

i for one will seek legal advice on this issue if it goes any further than the forums

Since this thread is really low in facts and high in alarmist BS posts:


http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1565827&page=2#55

I hope to god they go through with removing ice from high-sec.

Now they just need to nerf drone poo and mission loot reprocessing and I MIGHT actually mine something.