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Fitz Chivalry
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 11/08/2005 11:51:07
I was looking at my stealth bomber last night and wondering what the hell use it is post-missile patch - without really high missile skills it doesnt do a lot of damage against frigs and its too pish weak to tackle anything bigger - these ships now really, really suck as a pvp vessel.
Also, given that its raison d'etre is to fit and fire cruise missiles it is crazy that the caldari one can fit 3 launchers whereas the others are stuck with 2 - i am all for specilization but giving one race a 33% dmg bonus over the others is overegging it a bit.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:55:00 -
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You have the ship, and you don't even TEST it to back up your assessment it's crap?
The cruise missiles on a stealth bomber have the same basic explosion size as a light missile.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2005.08.11 13:22:00 -
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With the explosion radius thing i can see this ship kinda being a support frig. In a small gate camp with other frigs ext the stealth bomber can sit uncloaked with 1-2 sensor boosters and a couple of target painters/dampeners ect. It can stay at a safe range while using target painters ect to light the target up and also give a nice initial burt of damage for quick battles. Also the cloak may help for setting upwarpin points ect maybe.
If i had to suggest a set-up it would be
HIGH:
2 cruise launchers
what ever else can be fitted
MED:
1-2 sensor boosters
dampener
1-2 target painters
LOW
1 micro Aux power core thingy
1 missile DMG mod
This should all fit with my skills.
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2005.08.19 11:40:00 -
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 Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: F4ze
2 x Malkuth Cruise Launcher
2 x 125mm Railgun II
1 x Improved Cloaking Device II
1 x Webifier
1 x Warp Disruptor
1 x Passive Targeter
1 x Sensor Booster II
1 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core
1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure
This is a pretty cheap and straightforward setup. Anybody else have a setup or comments to share?
What is the passive targetter for? 
Thought that it was the auto-targetter that help cloaked ships get out of the 'recalibration' bind...
The Passive targeter is Lock the player without knowing they are locked. There would be no point fitting an autotargetter as to the best of my knowledge the Range is only 50k. |
Udoshi
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Posted - 2005.08.20 05:59:00 -
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I'm going to throw out some ideas, despite the fact that I don't fly these...so sue me.
Highslots(aside from cruise): Smartbombs. properly timed SBs can take out missiles, instead of loading defenders. Personally, I'd go with explosive, or em/explosive. Also a decent drone defense. Nosferatu or cap neutralizers might also be decent 2nd choice.
Tracking disruptors: Defense against fastlockers. Give those BS guns some trouble hitting you while you send cruise missiles at them.
Sensor dampers: Great stuff here, gives you a few precious seconds to spam away. If you can keep your opponent from locking you, you can fade into cloak at will. Potent with an AB for keeping that range, or fleeing to it.
The OH**** combo. Omni ecm and ecm burst. For knife-fighting distance, hoping you can break your opponents lock so you can fade into cloak and run.
Overdrive nodes: seriously, everyone is chanting BCU, BCU, BCU..SBs have that nifty cloaked velocity bonus. Fit a couple overdrive nodes for a speed bonus of around +60, or +135 while cloaked.
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Norris Packard
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Posted - 2005.08.30 07:05:00 -
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hi slots:2 cruise launcher1s, improved cloak2, 2 light electron blaster2s ( i had nothing to put on and they fit if i ever had to use them in combat i am probaly already dead tho).
mid slots:1mn ab2, 2 sensorbooster2s, damp1
low slots:2 mapc1s
sensorboosters help you get the lock fast, damp helps them not lock you when you fire your missles then cloak. this ship is for using pack attacks not for solo pvp.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2005.08.30 07:17:00 -
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F4ze, use 2 dampeners on it.
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Talon Calais
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Posted - 2005.08.31 10:25:00 -
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/me raises hand.
Newbie question, do these come with cloaks or do you have to get it seperate?
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Nyyn Djaa
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Posted - 2005.08.31 11:50:00 -
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It's a separate module i believe
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Oohwha Schipperman
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Posted - 2005.08.31 12:54:00 -
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It's a separate module.
It's pure heresy to suggest this, I know, but you might consider flying a stealth bomber without the cloak. Since you can't cloak while the missiles are in flight anymore (if you want them to hit the target, anyway ... and you DO want them to hit, don't you?) you may not find yourself actually engaging it that much during battle.
Afterward, if you've won, there's no need to cloak, and if you've lost, you don't have a ship.
And yes, I know there will be times when you'll want the cloak ... I'm just saying it may not prove as useful as it seems at first glance.
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Pharuan
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Posted - 2005.08.31 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
It's a separate module.
It's pure heresy to suggest this, I know, but you might consider flying a stealth bomber without the cloak. Since you can't cloak while the missiles are in flight anymore (if you want them to hit the target, anyway ... and you DO want them to hit, don't you?) you may not find yourself actually engaging it that much during battle.
Afterward, if you've won, there's no need to cloak, and if you've lost, you don't have a ship.
And yes, I know there will be times when you'll want the cloak ... I'm just saying it may not prove as useful as it seems at first glance.
You can cloak before the missiles hit their target, but only two seconds before. Otherwise they wink out of existance. And we all know how much two seconds can save you.
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DistructoNET
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Posted - 2005.09.01 20:27:00 -
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I have just got a BS - Nemesis and as u can imagine my excitement after all that training  I tore the plastic off the seats and started to load it up on to find that I could only fit 2 x cruise missile Launchers and a Clocking techII. AHG 
What have i done wrong? Why can i not fit anything, pls can someone help me.
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brain NET
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Posted - 2005.09.02 06:31:00 -
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I do find it odd that a SB has a recalibration time, makes SB pointless and very unstealthy.
I can only fit 2 X cruise missile Launchers and a Clocking device. Then I have no power to fit anything else!! Can anyone help?
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Richard Bashir
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Posted - 2005.09.12 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: DistructoNET
I have just got a BS - Nemesis and as u can imagine my excitement after all that training I tore the plastic off the seats and started to load it up on to find that I could only fit 2 x cruise missile Launchers and a Clocking techII. AHG
What have i done wrong? Why can i not fit anything, pls can someone help me.
Same experience here, i suppose i should have browsed the forums first...
The General impression i get is that the Nemesis is no use as a SB (anymore) and the Helios has very limited capabilities... Extremely dissapointing after (for me) spending a lot of isk, not to mention the waste of SP. (Btw, I acquired the Nemesis, because it said it was "The next generation in covert ops"... what a LIE 
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Smiffa
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Posted - 2005.10.10 13:59:00 -
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Just bought one and have the following questions/observations:
- I couldn't warp when cloaked. Is this just a feature of the CovOps frig and not available to the SB? I'm using the prototype cloaker tho. Would using the Tech2 device be any better?
- I noticed that I could activate my ab fitted as I was uncloaked without trouble. Is this the implementation of the 'other' SB thread in here?
- Should I take it back and ask for a refund? 
- Can I uncloak, fire, cloak without missiles disappearing prematurely before they hit the target? This seems to be unclear from the general conversation.
I'll of course keep playing and try to answer my own questions but it'd be nice to get some commentary from those more experienced in these nerfedmobile...
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RogerWilco
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Posted - 2005.10.13 13:52:00 -
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3 dampners ftw ;) |
Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.10.13 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Smiffa
Just bought one and have the following questions/observations:
- I couldn't warp when cloaked. Is this just a feature of the CovOps frig and not available to the SB? I'm using the prototype cloaker tho. Would using the Tech2 device be any better?
This only works with the Covert ops Cloak, which only works on the actual Covert ops frig.
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- I noticed that I could activate my ab fitted as I was uncloaked without trouble. Is this the implementation of the 'other' SB thread in here?
DonŠt know what you mean, but yes, you can only activate *any* module while uncloaked.
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- Should I take it back and ask for a refund?
No. The new changes will make it better and easier to use. It will lack any form of style or finesse, nor will you need to use a brain to fly it.
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- Can I uncloak, fire, cloak without missiles disappearing prematurely before they hit the target? This seems to be unclear from the general conversation.
No. Even after the change you will need about 30 seconds till you can recloak again. And if you recloak, all missiles still in flight lose lock and will miss the target.
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I'll of course keep playing and try to answer my own questions but it'd be nice to get some commentary from those more experienced in these nerfedmobile...
No worries, oh unimaginative one, the stealth bomber will soon be available in the My First Sony variety. With nicely colored big buttons. The brain used to be not included. Now its also not needed...
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Stuu
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Posted - 2005.10.18 14:42:00 -
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I cannot fit launchers I do not see why? I have weapons upgrade lvl4 but once a T2 cloak fitted I get 1 cruise launcher only.
Any help would be great!
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Swethren
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Posted - 2005.11.07 17:54:00 -
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It might just be me, but I've noticed that everyone is saying put rails on this ship. Now, the rails we are all talking about are still pretty limited on range and even using them and max range, your still closer than you ever want to be.
Seeing as most people are saying decloak, lock as quickly as possible (mods to help), fire and cloak again, whats the point of fitting rails at all. If anything fit blasters. They use less power and are still pretty usefull when you get to that upclose and personal range, which you don't want to be in.
Just my 2 cents
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Linia
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Posted - 2005.11.24 22:46:00 -
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I play with this setup on my Nemesis:
(skils: electronics 5, weap up 4, engineering 5, Co-op 3)
Highslot:
2 'Limos' Cruiser Launcher I (86.4CPU/43.75PG)
1 Improved Cloaking Device II(60CPU/1PG)
Medslots:
2 ECM - Multispectral Jammer I (100CPU/2PG)
~CPU enough left for t2~
1 Capacitor Recharger(6.4CPU/1PG)
1 Sensor Booster II(10CPU/1PG)
Lowslots:
1 Nanofiber(0CPU/0PG)
1 Micro Auxillary Power Core (15CPU/0PG)=+12.5PG
(I chose MAPC since the 10% from RCU isnt worth the money and theres more than enough cpu for it)
Nemesis:
267.8 CPU / 287.5 CPU
48.75 PG / 56.25 PG
Whit all this stuff together you just warp to belt at 100km, target, cruise missiles, kill kill, next belt.
The ECM is for the case that a pirate should suprice you and if you get enough EW skills you can fit t2s instead. this ship rox 
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.12.21 22:35:00 -
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Just got one of these. Any thoughts on post-RMR setups from some experienced pilots?
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xenodia
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Posted - 2005.12.30 00:38:00 -
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Can they actually use the covert ops cloak post RMR ? If not, then while im sure I could still find a use for one, their usefullness is greatly diminished over what it could be.
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Laythun
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Posted - 2005.12.30 02:04:00 -
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same as before :)
but no tackling crap, you'll just die.
but on another note, i'd say fit damps but there broke :(
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Crom Dubh
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Posted - 2006.01.01 11:41:00 -
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Well I must be doing something extrmely wrong here! After al the weeks spent training the necessary skills to operate a stealth bomber, imagine my disappointment after spending nearly 30 mill on ship, cloak and cruise launchers etc only to discover that I cant even fit 2 cruise launchers!!!
Even with 2x 10% pg upgrades I am unable to have both launchers online at the same time. So what am I doing wrong here?
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Shinnen
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Posted - 2006.01.01 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Crom Dubh
Well I must be doing something extrmely wrong here! After al the weeks spent training the necessary skills to operate a stealth bomber, imagine my disappointment after spending nearly 30 mill on ship, cloak and cruise launchers etc only to discover that I cant even fit 2 cruise launchers!!!
Even with 2x 10% pg upgrades I am unable to have both launchers online at the same time. So what am I doing wrong here?
use a micro auxiliary power core
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Fat Willy
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Posted - 2006.01.01 14:33:00 -
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Agree with the sentiments in this thread. Having bought a Covert Ops cloak to fit to my shiny new Hound, which is described as the next generation of covert ops ship, am hugely disappointed that its stealth capabilities are less than the first generation ship (ie: covert ops frigate). It is no better than any 'normal' ship fitted with the Improved Cloaking Device II.
Why not just fit the ICD II to a missile spamming cruiser or bs instead? Plenty of slots and power/cpu for passive targeters etc too....
Yup, I'm feeling cheated and mis-sold. Please add covert ops frig bonuses to this class of ship, so it can fulfil its promises!
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2006.01.01 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Fat Willy
Agree with the sentiments in this thread. Having bought a Covert Ops cloak to fit to my shiny new Hound, which is described as the next generation of covert ops ship, am hugely disappointed that its stealth capabilities are less than the first generation ship (ie: covert ops frigate). It is no better than any 'normal' ship fitted with the Improved Cloaking Device II.
Why not just fit the ICD II to a missile spamming cruiser or bs instead? Plenty of slots and power/cpu for passive targeters etc too....
Yup, I'm feeling cheated and mis-sold. Please add covert ops frig bonuses to this class of ship, so it can fulfil its promises!
That would be incorrect on all counts.
You move much, much quicker while cloaked than any other vessel in the game if your skills are decent.
Also, you can uncloak and lock immediately. All other vessels have a significant delay.
You only have to wait 5 seconds before you can recloak, which is a huge advantage.
The stealth bomber is an interesting ship to fly, not simply a matter of closing to your prefered range, dropping cloak and opening fire. It does require skill, and it does require understanding of what the ship can and cannot do.
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Markek
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Posted - 2006.01.07 14:04:00 -
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And it's of course a ship for no Soloing.
Go with 2 bombers
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Karen Sarann
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Posted - 2006.01.08 07:48:00 -
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Hm, I'm wondering to buy a nemesis or not, but starting to doubt it now, hearing about the missiles losing lock when recloaking. But my question is: Cant FOF missiles prevent this? Sorry for the noob question, I'm relatively new to this <)
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.01.08 11:12:00 -
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Stealth Bombers in general are very good. Each has it's little quirks. I love my purifiers. Easy to fit, fast, tough, mean little bastard. You can one volley a t1 frig and 2 volley a destroyer or industrial (I know this for a fact!)
Manticore is slower and harder to fit but it has 3 launchers and gets it's full damage bonus up front. It's a big asset to a gatecamp i think having half a raven sitting there cloaked and ready to jump in.
Basically I'd say hop on the test server, buy a dozen bombers and play around with them in the free for all.
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