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F4ze
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Posted - 2005.05.31 18:06:00 -
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2 x Malkuth Cruise Launcher
2 x 125mm Railgun II
1 x Improved Cloaking Device II
1 x Webifier
1 x Warp Disruptor
1 x Passive Targeter
1 x Sensor Booster II
1 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core
1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure
This is a pretty cheap and straightforward setup. Anybody else have a setup or comments to share?
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.05.31 19:14:00 -
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i think no SB is a cheap set up,....and its an expensive tackler set up at that
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.05.31 19:28:00 -
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 Originally by: F4ze
2 x Malkuth Cruise Launcher
2 x 125mm Railgun II
1 x Improved Cloaking Device II
1 x Webifier
1 x Warp Disruptor
1 x Passive Targeter
1 x Sensor Booster II
1 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core
1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure
This is a pretty cheap and straightforward setup. Anybody else have a setup or comments to share?
What is the passive targetter for? 
Thought that it was the auto-targetter that help cloaked ships get out of the 'recalibration' bind...
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F4ze
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Posted - 2005.05.31 20:01:00 -
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imo, this ship can not tank, and I didn't have anything else to fit in the mids 
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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2005.05.31 20:51:00 -
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Seems to me that the web and warp scrambler are a waste of slots. If you can get close enough to use them, you're probably already dead since the ship is made of tinfoil.
(the Helios has more hitpoints)
The passive targeter also seems a bit questionable since the missle launch is going to alert somone that you're attacking if you're alone an you'll be the first target if you're in a group. Perhaps another sensor booster to drop your lock time or ECM modules if you know what you're facing.
I got one of these ships a while ago and I can't find a use for it. I NPC hunt a lot. It's cloaked speed is crap, it doesn't have enough powergrid to run cruise launchers and 150's, it doesn't have enough hitpoints to get within range of the 125's when fighting crusiers and it doesn't have enough speed to do quick hit & run attacks.
For what I do, missions, complex's, and NPC hunting any of my other ships can do a better job. (interceptors, assault frigates, helios, cruisers, BC,ect)
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Edmund Duke
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Posted - 2005.06.01 12:02:00 -
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i love SB concept...
But is it really as useless as you just said? Can't we made anything fun and deadly with this ship? In pvp or pve?
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2005.06.01 12:06:00 -
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id prolly put anuther sensor booster 2 instead of the passive, because of the recal time.
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There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.06.01 12:23:00 -
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Lose the webber and warp disruptor. You dont wanna get that close. Slap on another sensor booster to decrease lock time (and thereby indirectly being less sensitive to the sensor recalibration time).
Personally I have had great success with a dampener on my Manticore as it enables you to restrict the locking range of targets, thereby increasing your chance to recloak after dropping your payload.
The passive targetter is actually very effective on these ships. They see you in overview, then have 3 seconds to notice the "fired upon" icon, then dont see you anymore and with a bit of luck, they will not know about the pretty but oh so deadly lights approaching them while you sit and laugh, cloaked.
For those who wonder: Yes. If you¦re cloaked, missiles continue on target.
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Edmund Duke
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Posted - 2005.06.01 23:47:00 -
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look interesting... Looking for enemie when we are cloacked, uncloack prevent with ecm to be lock, lauch missilles et cloack again.
But we can't kill anything like this!
It can be fun in a full SB gang but alone or with other ship i can't see when the SB can be usefull...
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Schmug
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Posted - 2005.06.05 16:18:00 -
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I am trying to fit my Clovert op cloaking device II on this ship, and i cant for the life of me get the cloaking device turned on...
Can anyone give me addvice on how to get it going or isit a BUG ??
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:43:00 -
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you can't turn it on? thats weird : ok first off all make sure it's online.
Second : don't be near clouds,stations,... (<2000m)
Best is warp to a moon or planet , nothing there to block your cloak to make sure it works.
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Dimitri Forgroth
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Posted - 2005.06.05 22:49:00 -
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Cant put covert cloaks on bombers.
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.06.05 23:53:00 -
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oooow you put it on the Stealth Bomber... nah that aint going to work : it needs way to much cpu
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Seiryu
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Posted - 2005.06.06 00:03:00 -
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Anyone have setups for the amarr one? Or how about tactics for SB in general? Someone told me you only cloack after firing (IE: not ambushing or lurking)
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RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.06.06 16:01:00 -
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well ideally it would be :
- You own a caldari SB
- You fit it with 3 cruise and a cloak
- You know where your target is (covert ops friend?)
- You warp in reasonably close or very far away depending on your tactics
- Launch 3x cruise and cloak (the 3 cruise would still hit the target even if you cloak midflight)
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2005.06.23 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Fuazzole on 23/06/2005 21:14:39
Edited by: Fuazzole on 23/06/2005 21:08:53
been playing around with this
so far i have
2 T2 75mm rail's
2 XT-9000 cruis
cloak
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AB
sensor booster
sensor dampner
injector
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MAPC
BCU
camping a 4/10, firing at 90km or so
the enimy cruiser/frig/BC will have to die or warp away
a more practicle but slower set up would be(yet to calculate the CPU needs for this, should fit)
T2 150mm 'Offline just for the nice look
2 cruise 'thier really is no use for the gun slots
cloak 'i've also noticed u can have offline
'425mm,...;)
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sensor booster 'or 2
dampner '
capcharger II '
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2 BCU's
bad points, camping a 4/10 gives you yellow syndrom, stands out a mile away when u decloak,
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.06.23 22:07:00 -
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Maybe you should fit some target painter II instead of tackling gear since missiles will benefit from them in the patch ?
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.06.24 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 24/06/2005 06:40:42
öimo, this ship can not tank, and I didn't have anything else to fit in the mids ö
Like the Helios and other Covert Op ships you can passive tank them pretty good. Both ships give far better results then active tanking and as a passive tank if you make a mistake and get hit once with a missile or 5+ you still have time to warp out with the new changes.
I am still playing around Covert op ships and the new changeÆs but right now I have 1365 shield hitpoints, EM and thermal hardeners and 18.75 HP regen. I can boost both regen and hitpoints more but I need time to play around with modules. That and the bombers are being changed so I am waiting for the changeÆs before trying things out. ThatÆs more for if you are in a group and have a friend doing EW, you might want to lower the hitpoints and fit some EW if your solo.
ôThought that it was the auto-targetter that help cloaked ships get out of the 'recalibration' bind...ö
When they broke the other parts of the auto targetter they also nerfed it so you cannot do that.
EDIT: I forgot to comment on your setup. ItÆs pretty good, but I would scarp the 2 turrets as I find most of the time your outside turret range, now with the free powergrid and CPU boost your hitpoints a bit.
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2005.06.24 07:01:00 -
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A fastlock battleship will take you out in one volley. Any fight on a smaller scale, not involving battleships, will have you as the first target regardless.
If there's any tactic that even barely worth using, it's using a passive targeter to avoid an autolock. With sensor boosters, you can fire a volley and cloak before an enemy notices. We used this tactic in CA, as many tacker alts would try to conserve MWD usage with low cap skills, thus never knowing when to use it when our raven pilots broke their locks or used F.o.F missiles.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.06.24 07:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 24/06/2005 07:12:52
ôA fastlock battleship will take you out in one volley. Any fight on a smaller scale, not involving battleships, will have you as the first target regardless.ö
Due to the hitpoint in a frigate 1v1 battle the bomber will win with my layout, I donÆt know of any frigates that can survive 2 or 3 volleys from a bomber and the bomber can take 2 or 3 vollys from a frigate, or with the bomber you shoot 2 volly take a few hits then warp out.
With the new missiles changeÆs I believe it takes far more then 1 volley for a BS with BS size weapons to dint a bomber. I have not tested yet but I heard each missile only hits for 70 damage. With the bomber having 1000+ hitpoints and hardeners thatÆs over 14 missiles without taking into account regen a lot more then 14 with regen.
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Monty Burns
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Posted - 2005.06.24 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
....Due to the hitpoint in a frigate 1v1 battle the bomber will win with my layout, I donÆt know of any frigates that can survive 2 or 3 volleys from a bomber and the bomber can take 2 or 3 vollys from a frigate, or with the bomber you shoot 2 volly take a few hits then warp out.
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So your gonna use a 50/60/70 mil ship to hunt frigs? Why not just get a 'ceptor and be far more efficient and take out cruisers as well???? 
As for tanking a CovertOps, imo, if your seen in a CovertOps, your using it wrong. I'd rather use those slots for other things like Nano's or Cap stuff.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2005.06.24 10:08:00 -
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ôSo your gonna use a 50/60/70 mil ship to hunt frigs? Why not just get a 'ceptor and be far more efficient and take out cruisers as well???? ö
Well I mostly PvE so I feel happy taking out frigs and Cruisers in my bomber on missions and when I do PvP its mostly tournaments. Complex raids are also fun. As for the 'ceptor I donÆt have the skills for one and it doesnÆt fit my play style. DonÆt bombers with the upcomeing patch changeÆs do a lot more damage to cruisers then captors? Bombers now have a 2nd damage bonus. A bomber can now kill a lot of frigates in 1 volley. Even a captors has problems against the missiles.
ôAs for tanking a CovertOps, imo, if your seen in a CovertOps, your using it wrong.ö
I sort of agree but I found a good use for the Helios tank it, then take newbieÆs into 1/10 complexÆs let the rats shoot you while you teach the new pilots how to use weapon rangeÆs and stuff.
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Stinaris
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Posted - 2005.06.28 14:47:00 -
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2 x Cruise Launcher I
1 x Cloaking Device (Best you can afford)
2 x Nothing (Nothing worth fitting)
1 x Passive Targeter (Named)
2 x Sensor Booster II
1 x TechII AB ( Handy for moving about faster than a snail)
1 x PCU II or PDU II
1 x CPU II
(I need the low slots to run some of the above)
It's basically designed to decloak, passively lock, shoot, recloak without being attacked.
The rate of fire is fairly irrelevant so no need for expensive launchers, you're unlikely to be hanging around long.
They don't last long in battle and you don't want to get too close to use the webber or scrambler.
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Nyack
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Posted - 2005.07.02 11:16:00 -
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why not use micro aux power core for your powerneeds? cheaper then pdu II or pcu II? and gives mroe boost on a frig class ship
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Bikini Vampire
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Posted - 2005.07.02 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stinaris
2 x Cruise Launcher I
1 x Cloaking Device (Best you can afford)
2 x Nothing (Nothing worth fitting)
1 x Passive Targeter (Named)
2 x Sensor Booster II
1 x TechII AB ( Handy for moving about faster than a snail)
1 x PCU II or PDU II
1 x CPU II
(I need the low slots to run some of the above)
It's basically designed to decloak, passively lock, shoot, recloak without being attacked.
The rate of fire is fairly irrelevant so no need for expensive launchers, you're unlikely to be hanging around long.
They don't last long in battle and you don't want to get too close to use the webber or scrambler.
its hit and Run
But then Ideally Id ditch the Low slots on that Setup in favour of Overdrives These things are faster while cloaked so use it to the best advantage.
Decloak, lock at 100 kms without notifying your target to a threat launch and Cloak again. With alot of you You could take out a Destroyer or maybe an industrial, But dont expect to kill anything larger. |
RedClaws
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Posted - 2005.07.02 12:25:00 -
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Well the Stealth bomber is completely useless now : cruise missles don't hit jack anymore and you can't launch and cloak anymore cause the missles will lose lock aswell.
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.08.09 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws
Well the Stealth bomber is completely useless now : cruise missles don't hit jack anymore and you can't launch and cloak anymore cause the missles will lose lock aswell.
On a more...positive note: does anyone have an updated nemmy setup? :0
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: RedClaws
Well the Stealth bomber is completely useless now : cruise missles don't hit jack anymore and you can't launch and cloak anymore cause the missles will lose lock aswell.
this is untrue. cruise missile coming from a stealth bomber have 50m explosion radius and with skills hit frigs for max damage.
the lock part sucks - though imagine it has more to do with preventing ravens to sit at 150km with a cloak and do the same thing. hopefully they will come up with a stealth bomber cloak module that allow for this tactic from that ship - as the DOT is as low as a T1 frig from these things, just very large alpha strike. 
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DARTHxFREE
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Posted - 2005.08.09 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Razner Cerizo
Originally by: RedClaws
Well the Stealth bomber is completely useless now : cruise missles don't hit jack anymore and you can't launch and cloak anymore cause the missles will lose lock aswell.
On a more...positive note: does anyone have an updated nemmy setup? :0
my updated set up
NPC
2 cruise
2 electron bastards
AB
2 passive resistance amps
shield booster
2 MAPC
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PVP - (dont do this)
2 cruise
cloak
sensor booster
2 dampner
painter
MAPC
BCS
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.08.10 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHxFREE
PVP - (dont do this)
2 cruise
cloak
sensor booster
2 dampner
painter
MAPC
BCS
Why not? I dont solo pvp, I have a 4 buddy squad. :0
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