These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

WhatGÇÖs your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?

Volley them.

MY GOD ITS FULL OF BEES

Cant lock them b4 they cloak.

So a +2 point is not enough to scram it?

Glad the topic was brought up cuase I have my eyes on a couple of venture bots.

Anyone got a kill they can link so we can see the fit?

Why so meny hate here? you want more people in loe sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors!

Why so meny hate here? you want more people in loe sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors!

They mad because they were all a bunch of closet miners and the new people are stealing their ores.

No hate, it's just that the point of having more people in low-sec is to kill them.

The +2 to warp strength does not help either.

Sensor Boosted Phobos with an Infinite point, or Sabre if you so choose.

These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

WhatGÇÖs your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?

Nobody said they were going to be easy to kill

I actually haven't gone hunting for them specifically yet, but I have a few ideas.

What if they hot drop bigger bros?

2x scram on a ceptor seems to work just fine most of them seem to mine semi-afk anyway, its like they never left high-sec.

also suicide gank them with t1 frigs in high-sec; thats also fun

Can we have one of your KM's mate to see the fit?

They mad because they were all a bunch of closet miners and the new people are stealing their Jerbs.

Smartbombs. One round of 8 should get rid of them without the worry of having them cloak or warp

Why so meny hate here? you want more people in low sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors! and now some of you cry because they enter low sec and use cloak...

These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

WhatGÇÖs your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?

I don't mean to sound at all rude, but what is it with you and making your posts in italics?

EDIT: The Ventures are awesome. They can get 3.5km/s with a basic heated MWD, with Skill Level 3 and otherwise poor skills. If they were fully skilled and with implants... they'd be really quite quick.

Once the Venture starts mining [lowsec] ores, what can you expect the income/hr to be? Surely not better than mining highsec in a Hulk?

Once the Venture starts mining [lowsec] ores, what can you expect the income/hr to be? Surely not better than mining highsec in a Hulk?

Fixed it for ya'.

They do look like little bumble bees don't they!?

These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

WhatGÇÖs your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?

The way to destroy the Venture is this:

1. Complain about them on the forums until they are nerfed.
2. Profit?

Leave the poor things alone. Let them get fat, rich & lazy, and wait till they bring out their Mack, then pop that, and make them go back to the venture.
I.E. let them breed!

Once the Venture starts mining [lowsec] ores, what can you expect the income/hr to be? Surely not better than mining highsec in a Hulk?

They mad because they were all a bunch of closet miners and the new people are stealing their ores.

Leave the poor things alone. Let them get fat, rich & lazy, and wait till they bring out their Mack, then pop that, and make them go back to the venture.
I.E. let them breed!

Cant lock them b4 they cloak.

No hate, it's just that the point of having more people in low-sec is to kill them.

How do you kill the Venture? By using it as bait for bigger fish

I think it's great seeing these little things zipping around low. Sadly it's only a matter of time before we see a "venture needs to be nerfed" forum post pop up.

True. Sansha. Warp. Scrambler.

For those people still confused, if you put this on an Ares, or any other Interceptor with a bonus to scram range, even your modest interceptor dps will kill them.

Anyone else noticed this bug?

When you destroy a Venture, cargo container will drop instead a wreck.

Oh yes. Please gents, fit a 130 million module to interceptors like Shylari suggests.

Even better. Go the extra mile and fit a quarter billion worth of modules to it.

This will ensure no 400K Isk mining frigates will ever get away from your righteous fury.

And when things go pear shaped, you will make someone smile, like Shylari's corpmate here:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18247349

Stealth Bombers!?

But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated.

A single bomb can easily destroy a frigate class vessel if it's MWD is running... or any number of them within it's blast radius.

Timing is everything.

However, in this case it is likely not the tactic most people would have success with.

Dont try to lock them up, instead do the following:

Choose a system and a gate and calculate the time which it takes for a Venture on average to align and warp from one gate to another in seconds. Get in a battleship with 8 smartbombs like the Rokh and position yourself exactly on the line between the two gates and just far enough from the gate to activate the smartbombs.

Count down once you see him appearing in local +/- a couple of seconds.

Activate your smartbombs in small intervals (like 2+2+2+2 smartbombs every second) and profit if you were lucky.

I did this in my pirate days together with corpies. It takes some time to get used to it but once you have it down it works great and you can collect oh so many tears.

You will need a cloaky scout in the other system for this though or you have to guess if it's a Venture. But then again I am probably the only player without an alt nowadays :)

The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs.

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.

So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it.

The purpose of all of this being... what, exactly?

I assume you would be using large smartbombs in a BS class ship. Even vanilla bombs are 500,000 ISK on the market, give or take, against a ship with a 400,000 ISK hull? Even if you managed to destroy a Venture and got a Mod Strip Miner II to drop for loot, you would barely break even on the endeavor by deploying eight bombs. Then there is the investment on time that everyone likes to talk about in terms of ISK per hour and all that.

So someone please explain to me the capacity for profit, aside from being able to brag about squashing a little bug and taking a loss while doing it.

You're presuming that he'll stop after killing only one...

That presumption leading to the assumption that he would continue in the same manner of operating at a loss? Where I come from that's called "having a hole in your bucket."

You only buy the fit once. Where's the onging drain?

Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.

Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.

Bah, my mistake. For whatever reason I was thinking smartbombs were one-time-use weapons. There's still the time sink that's not easy to justify.

You only care about isk per hour when you view EVE online as a job. I am more concerned with smiles per hour, and killing a fast, nimble, very hard to catch ship brings those smiles. You can't pay your rent with isk, I tried, so what good is it?

You people.

This ship isn't a miner.

Oh, it looks like a miner, and it looks like a bee, and it can eat roids and suck gas like a SUV.....

But it's really a T1 interceptor.

That's right.

I said it.

And I got 2 of them, and I named them Hank and Dean.........

These things are all over low now!

Nippy little bugg3rs.

WhatGÇÖs your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?

No hate, it's just that the point of having more people in low-sec is to kill them.

I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.

Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?

It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.

The way to get people to come and stay in low sec so you can kill them repeatedly is by having them able to not die when they come to lowsec most of the time. They come in once and get podded they never come back; if they don't get podded till the fourth time, and they almost got away that time, and they'll keep coming forever and get blown up many times.

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Their point was "It's not worth it to stop them all" about people getting past camps. Not that they can't, just that it isn't currently worth the effort - which begged the question when would it be worth the effort? When "too many" are getting past...

Why so meny hate here? you want more people in low sec? you got it, dont kill the new visitors! and now some of you cry because they enter low sec and use cloak...

You don't kill the Ventures

The Ventures kill you!

You people.

This ship isn't a miner.

Oh, it looks like a miner, and it looks like a bee, and it can eat roids and suck gas like a SUV.....

But it's really a T1 interceptor.

That's right.

I said it.

And I got 2 of them, and I named them Hank and Dean.........

But will that work? Bombing frigates seems to be rather pointless and ineffective unless you've got several bombers coordinated.

I'm starting to sense a stealth Venture Manufacturer thread. I'm sure sales are getting a bit of a bump with this thread.

Stealth Marketing +1



KB

Especially difficult as you can't use bombs in low

I'm starting to sense a stealth Venture Manufacturer thread. I'm sure sales are getting a bit of a bump with this thread.

Stealth Marketing +1



KB

Step 1: Buy a Talos
Step 2: Make her open the Talos
Step 3: Blap

Anyone got a kill they can link so we can see the fit?

Good question Siigari. I am using my Venture mostly in HiSec as I am new and trying out all sorts of things in EVE. But here is a rough estimate on what I can pull down in HiSec with only Rats and fellow miners as a concern:

Using 2 Mining Laser II at a rate of 190m3/minute it takes 14 cycles (7 per laser) to fill the Ore Hold. Add the occasional break for changing asteroids and interruptions for rats and I find that it takes roughly 30 to 45 minutes to make 1 "run" to fill my Venture, depending greatly on whether it's Veldspar at .1 volume or Plagioclase at .35 volume. Lately, I have been bringing in between 700k - 900k ISK depending on the price regardless of the ore type. Of course you have to add total time out and back as well, so maybe 750K per hour on the low side? Do we include just the time needed to mine or the whole process?

As far as LowSec goes- pure conjecture as I have only done it once in a Catalyst and got my *** handed to me. But going through the exercise- I would think a healthy increase of around 25-50% in time required by a Venture pilot just playing the avoidance game. After all, the point of being in LowSec is moot if you can't manage to get back out again and reap the rewards. That means fitting a cloak and some of the other avoidance gear peeps have mentioned above.

Second, the ores are a bit bigger volume-wise (Kernite 1.2, Jaspet 2, Hemorphite/Hedergite 3), so there is a reduction in time required to fill that 5000m3 ore hold in LowSec, but whether it will be worth it? Something tells me that practical experience would show that the risk in LowSec ends up being a bit too much compared to HiSec- considering your Venture and gear along with your implants is much more likely to end up as space pixels.

Then again, maybe my math is all wrong! I always did stink at math...

AR

Smartbombing battleship on gate

I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.

Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?

It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.

I love them, and I only build and sell them. And boy do they sell.


For a lot!
Miners are crazy.

venture kill

venture kill!

venture kill!!

Simple really, nano dram with +4 point of scram, all caught in belts.

And none of them had a cloak fitted. What if they did?

I like that miners in lowsec are running gatecamps. This is exactly what many have been trying to realize for YEARS.

Think about it. Miners with the testicular fortitude to cross a lowsec gate, brave a camp, and SUCCEED... all so they can chew some rocks in an open PvP area. (without making too much in profits for the effort) Isn't this exactly what we've all wanted?

It's not a stationary AFK hulk or mack in highsec. It's someone going up against your gatecamp and SURVIVING because they have the tools to do so with a reasonable chance. There are counters to catch these slippery things, but you have to plan for it. This is a hallmark of excellent balancing.

Step 1: Buy a Talos
Step 2: Make her open the Talos
Step 3: Blap

Some days, I fly all 4 of my accounts into lowsec in cloaky stabbed mwd ventures. I dont mine anything, I just go from system to system, and laugh at the locals. Then I link some bpos or other treats in local, and tell the locals that I'm hauling them through. It gets them really excited. Then I just cloak up for a while.

So many tears.

Especially considering you get one for free from the industry career mission, second mission in the chain.

These things are all over low now!

Nippy little b3ggers.

WhatGÇÖs your preferred technique for swatting them at gates and catching them in belts before they do one?

Nor did they have a warp core stabiliser either.

Venture is such a lovely ship!

I adore exploring and harvesting gas is lowsec and all the chasing with pirates just make it fun way of making some ISK. Today was really interesting -- my Venture was chased by nothing else but an Adrestia!

(In the same system was also a Vangel)

I am not a fan of rude talk in local, but asking the owner does he intend to harvest gas in Adrestia was priceless moment. :)

If I understand correctly, if you are aware of local and use d-scan properly, only a ship with cloaked warping ability might hurt you in Venture? And if you have additional WCS in Low, only stealth bomber is to be afraid of, right?

EDIT: Or a CovOp with more than one scram...

That being said, a venture is hardly a worthy target.. unless they are mining gas.

How do those Ventures deal with belt rats. Two light drones seem hardly a match against a few BCs.

- AFAIK gas clouds do damage to ships.
- not sure if clouds in WH are protected by sleepers or not.
How can Venture defend itself?

does Venture actually hold worthwhile amount of harvested gas in cargo hold? How much would it be (let's say the best gas)?

Volley them.

You give a frigate a warp strength bonus and this is what happens.

Why is that a bad thing? Even us ninjas and gankers have always pointed out that Hulk pilots need to fit more tank/survivability in exchange for less yield. In the case of the Venture, it's built into the hull. Less yield and cargo capacity, but more survivability(In this case warp core stabilization and mobility). Seems a fair trade off to me. And if the bears are going into Lowsec I salute them. 90% of my income in eve is in lowsec, and it's ******* dead most of the time. It's nice to see some more people risking **** out there.

Why is that a bad thing? Even us ninjas and gankers have always pointed out that Hulk pilots need to fit more tank/survivability in exchange for less yield. In the case of the Venture, it's built into the hull. Less yield and cargo capacity, but more survivability(In this case warp core stabilization and mobility). Seems a fair trade off to me. And if the bears are going into Lowsec I salute them. 90% of my income in eve is in lowsec, and it's ******* dead most of the time. It's nice to see some more people risking **** out there.