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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens
Rookie Empire
85
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Posted - 2012.12.25 10:30:00 -
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This is question im asking myself these days...
Heres my background.I have been playing this game from 2008. I have lived in highsec, lowsec and 0.0. I have been in corporations that failed and some that were great success. i Have seen small and large alliances.
Personallyall this whining about higsec starts to looklike last years whine about lowsec.
You cant force people to move over. You need to offer opportunities worth it. As i see 0.0 at moment, those opportunitiesallready exists, but are reserved for few choosen elite group of people.
Lets seefew things off my head...
System upgrades:
Yes you have chance to install upgrades in 0.0 system to make them better, better for ratting anomalies, better for mining, better for living in (jump bridges, cyno jammers,etc...)
Jump cabable ships:
Yes, 0.0 as full access to all these aswell.Heck most 0.0 alliance logistics depends on jumpfreighters that take shortcuts throw the space lanes.
Mining:
Ou yes the drooled after ABC ores. So much mined that highend mineral prices are pretty much all time low now days... Thor incoupleore prostpecting system arrays and you have unlimited access to those even insystem that has exactly 0.0 security status.
Moon mining:
Yes everyone and their mother is now hear about technetium and how its needed on every tech2 component out there.. Massive isk faucet everyone? with much lower risk since cartel was formed....
And why i thinkmost of 0.0 is wastland of empty system despite all these wonderfull things:
Lack of content:
Yes ratting and newer ending pvp war gets old fast.
Feudal japan warlords mentality:
Yes,0.0 is ruled by these warlords with their private armies.If your lucky warlord has system inplace to give you new shine ship as long as your dump enough to go fight every time he desides to be greedy and conquer more space your alliance eventually will not even use. I personally have newer seen much point conquering large strips of space if you dont even use them.
Outposts:
Yes the crowjewel of any new alliances logistics and isk generation ability. Expensive to set up,offers convinient storage location for personal ****. What else does it offer? Not much. repair service and insurance, clonebay, of course. For industrial player they offer hardly anything. Bad refineries ( need outpost upgrades to get decent level even), extremely limited amount of manufacturing lines.
So overall this newer ending war combined with ability to loose systems and being lockedout of outposts leads to gameplay in 0.0 that just dosent interest that many players. So clearly there is only one thing ccp can do. Take close hard look at 0.0 space and make changes there. I believe its fashionable nowdays to speak about farms and fields in eve. Want more farms in 0.0? How about some more suport for peasants then? People that dont give rats ass about nullsec politics or ho happen to be flavor of month leader in area this time. Maybe game mechanics to support taxing those peasantsto how ever happens to own system...
Now about these massive strips in space owned but not used.. I would welcome ccp to actually implement tax that progressively increases. Should not be too difficult to code it,heck throw in activity index, if you actually use it, you get small discount. But owning 50 systems where your useing just 2-4 should be much much more expensive. So you would only conquest what you plan on actually useing...
Moon goo depletable, yes implement this. Why? Well PI planets loose consentration of materials over time on over extraction, so whoy should a moon be able tom be mined 24/7 years to come? Heck add those rare stuff to moe moons and make then have consentration levels, if you mine it 24/7 you will eventually run dry, it will recover over time, but takes time...
But more then anything, i believe getting more people in 0.0 is at hands of 0.0 alliances allready. No change ccp might make can replace aliances actually makeing 0.0 more invinting to more people. Its up to us in 0.0 to make this more welcomeing. No amount of nerfing in highsec will force people in 0.0 if things in 0.0 dosent change first. We allready have the keys of kingdom, but sadly so far were fingting at gate how gets to open the gate. Lets just open the gate and go in and make 0.0 place we can be proud of. Place we can go and say: Look what we created out of wasteland you gave us ccp.
This all might be my delusional vision,but i cant help to see that things could be much better in 0.0
[Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
raskonalkov
Tie Fighters Inc
36
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Posted - 2012.12.25 11:36:00 -
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Because hi seccers always post walls of text. |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
90
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Posted - 2012.12.25 11:43:00 -
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in some other thread a read a gem of a thought regarding high sec and i quote "bunch of you are literally playing the game wrong"
so there,you shouldnt play the game wrong,and if you do change how you play asap... |
Hilmar Fudd
Wery Wascally Wabbits
1
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Posted - 2012.12.25 11:44:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Because I am a limited attention span KM Ho
Fixed that fow you. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
300
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:36:00 -
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Because some people aren't happy in null, they believe it's all hi-sec fault they are lonely and bored - and not their habit to greet new pilots with gate camps and supercap hotdrops.
TL;DR people refuse to believe their problems caused by themselves. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
483
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:38:00 -
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Why the starting new topic about the same threads over and over again..... stop it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2045
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:41:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Because some people aren't happy in null, they believe it's all hi-sec fault they are lonely and bored - and not their habit to greet new pilots with gate camps and supercap hotdrops.
TL;DR people refuse to believe their problems caused by themselves.
Newbies are great on gate camps. Sadly we do not yet outfit newbies with supercaps to hotdrop.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians
Tribal Band
183
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:44:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Why the starting new topic about the same threads over and over again..... stop it.
More to the point, who the hell writes such a wall of text on Christmas Day?
Dafuq?
"The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers."
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
Felicity Love
War-Tech Inc.
Black Core Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:45:00 -
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I think it mostly comes down to everybody just needs to get laid more. 
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
298
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:46:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Why the starting new topic about the same threads over and over again..... stop it.
does it hurt?  wanna talk about it? |
Ovv Topik
Proposition Thirteen
The Third Rail
135
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:53:00 -
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OP: Hope you asked Santa for a new keyboard. I think your space bar is broken.
ti'n siarad Cymraeg? |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
778
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:02:00 -
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Its a bit like Apple (high sec) vs Microsoft (the rest).
http://s9.postimage.org/k3jwfi9qn/MS_vs_apl_LA_Calf_Tue_Dec11_12_3_30pm.jpg
Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2045
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:12:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Johan Civire wrote:Why the starting new topic about the same threads over and over again..... stop it. does it hurt? wanna talk about it?
Tell me more.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Dave stark
898
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:17:00 -
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repeat threads where the op is several pages long and contain nothing worth reading is most likely why people hate high sec.
Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
151
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Posted - 2012.12.25 14:07:00 -
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This horse was abused when it was alive it was abused when it was dead and now their after the horses spirit, 
That being said 0.0 is what they make it, the finger goes squarely on the trigger happy KM shoot'em up hillbillies but that's why 0.0 exist....and low sec....and WH....and war decs. |
Karrl Tian
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.12.25 14:20:00 -
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Because they're "forced" to make their isk there on alts.  |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2045
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:10:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:That being said 0.0 is what they make it, the finger goes squarely on the trigger happy KM shoot'em up hillbillies but that's why 0.0 exist....and low sec....and WH....and war decs.
It's why EVE Online NEEDS NPC corps.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
174
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:27:00 -
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People aren't hating on highsec--they are commenting on a serious and legitimate problem. Risk/reward is out of whack and highsec continues to be made safer. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1638
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:32:00 -
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There has been sooo many threads regarding this topic, that I've literally bored of seeing the same thing over and over and over and over again so what I did was : scrolled down to the bottom of this page, didn't read anything then just posted this comment and leave.
How to : Playing Eve 100% Risk and Conflict FREE! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2057
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:35:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:There has been sooo many threads regarding this topic, that I've literally bored of seeing the same thing over and over and over and over again so what I did was : scrolled down to the bottom of this page, didn't read anything then just posted this comment and leave.
You are good at Forums Online.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
1857
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:18:00 -
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raskonalkov wrote:Because hi seccers always post walls of text.
I knew someone else who posted walls of text... |
Ammzi
Infinite Covenant
Tribal Band
1104
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:21:00 -
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"Hey guys, I have experienced a lot of hatred against the people who live in highsec, which funny enough includes me.
However I seem to have no clue why this is happening. I have a great idea! Let me post a long thread about it on the eve-o forums and ask why this hatred exists...."
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Cat Troll
Systems Federation
Coalition of Galactic Unity
62
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:20:00 -
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Because null sec can't self sustain, and the power of high sec industry makes prices go below their mineral worth.
Lolwut:
"Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
119
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:23:00 -
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Would multiplying all Null reward by 10 go and help you? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10794
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:03:00 -
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Dasola wrote:You need to offer opportunities worth it. As i see 0.0 at moment, those opportunitiesallready exists, but are reserved for few choosen elite group of people.
Lets seefew things off my head... GǪnone of which are opportunities to draw people out into null GÇö they're not even sufficient to keep the nulseccers in nulsec.
Quote:So clearly there is only one thing ccp can do. Take close hard look at 0.0 space and make changes there. I believe its fashionable nowdays to speak about farms and fields in eve. Want more farms in 0.0? How about some more suport for peasants then? Unfortunately, it's not just a matter of supporting them GÇö it's just as much a matter of giving them a purpose and a reason to be out there rather than tucked away safely in highsec.
Quote:Moon goo depletable, yes implement this. No, it's a horribly bad idea that would lead to the complete stagnation of null for pretty much exactly the reason people often assume it'd be a conflict driver: because it means that moving around becomes a worthless chore that creates massive costs for pretty much no gains.
NEONOVUS wrote:Would multiplying all Null reward by 10 go and help you? No, it would just break things even more.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
110
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:11:00 -
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low sec is like north korea - most of the budget is military and the only way to survive is to get international help (high sec alts)
high sec is like arabian peninsula - people make money selling stuff to everyone else,getting richer and buying football clubs to prove they have bigger junk
its not hate,as george carlin said "its major psychotic fcking hatred"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10794
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:16:00 -
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Randolph Rothstein wrote:high sec is like arabian peninsula - people make money selling stuff to everyone else,getting richer and buying football clubs to prove they have bigger junk
its not hate,as george carlin said "its major psychotic fcking hatred" Well, maybe if the people of the peninsula saw a bit more of the world and stopped believing what a few self-proclaimed thought leaders claim with pretty much nothing to back it, they'd stop being such a breeding ground for that kind of fundamentalismGǪ hmm?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
4447
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:25:00 -
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Why all the hate of highsec?
Jealousy.
DMC |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
9
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:13:00 -
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i'm going to have to say it's jealousy, null sec was a lot of fun when it was big enough, with few players, so that it was a ton of chaos, these days, it's too much about territory control, which frankly, is really boring
..leaving the alliance people stuck in gate camp blobs a lot of time, which they use to browse the forums
if i ever go back to 0.0, it will be me joining some old pirate friends, the way i hear it, the pirates are the ones hogging all the fun :) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2059
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:18:00 -
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Eraza wrote:i'm going to have to say it's jealousy, null sec was a lot of fun when it was big enough, with few players, so that it was a ton of chaos, these days, it's too much about territory control, which frankly, is really boring
..leaving the alliance people stuck in gate camp blobs a lot of time, which they use to browse the forums
if i ever go back to 0.0, it will be me joining some old pirate friends, the way i hear it, the pirates are the ones hogging all the fun :)
Gate camp blobs? More like escorting the titans to the structure blobs.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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