At the moment EVE discourages people, especially newbies to get a fleet in general PVE actives.
Mining income in null is unfairly low.
People have no actual reason to form up a mining fleet.

fleet mining is a social activity not a job,you cant put a price on a time with friends

General income: (depends on skill and mission type)
Level 4s(High-sec): 45M(Raven)-75M(High-ends) (No tax avaliable or 5% tax)
Anomalies(Null): 43M(Raven)-77M(High-ends except carrier) (After 15%tax)

Team work:
Level 4s(High-sec): (Raven+Nightmare): about 55M for each pilot, wasting a lot of time on calculating the loots value
Anomalies(Null): (Raven+Nightmare) : about 60M for each pilot
Anomalies(Null): (Nightmare+Nightmare) : about 78M for each pilot

Show me how you made these numbers for level 4 missions, they look greatly inflated for the average level 4 runner.

On the other hand your numbers for null anomalies is on the shy side, I guess this does not include the juicy faction loots that happen which may be rare but they certainly bump the income.

I have heard that many puppies complaining that their game experience is bad, but "bad" is a term that too vague to reveal anything. After being talked with some people(newbies) in depth, comparing with their experience from other mmo games, the most out-standing issue is that they feel lonely.

I'm not going to talk about that how joining in a corp is not actually a solution. The reason I write this post is trying to reveal that some game mechanism(or design/rules anyway) are neither agree with the spirit of the game, nor beneficial to the reality of the game.


General income: (depends on skill and mission type)
Level 4s(High-sec): 45M(Raven)-75M(High-ends) (No tax avaliable or 5% tax)
Anomalies(Null): 43M(Raven)-77M(High-ends except carrier) (After 15%tax)

Team work:
Level 4s(High-sec): (Raven+Nightmare): about 55M for each pilot, wasting a lot of time on calculating the loots value
Anomalies(Null): (Raven+Nightmare) : about 60M for each pilot
Anomalies(Null): (Nightmare+Nightmare) : about 78M for each pilot


From here we can observe a problem: whether in high-sec or null, if you're in a nightmare, you will have to fleet with a nightmare otherwise you will see a big cut on your income, and even if you fleeting with a nightmare, you can't expect any viable boost.
This feature discourages people to interact with each other, especially for newbies, if they try to positively seek teammates, they will get refused often then disappointed, and stop trying anymore.

Null-sec has DED sites and expeditions, which may make the final income higher than high-sec, but they are unstable therefore difficult to figure out.

Level 4s in null is highly contested and unacceptable to many people, so I not going to talk about it.

The null-sec was expected to has obvious advantage over high-sec, but missions have LPs, and high-sec is much safer for using better gears. Some people may argue about suicide gankers, yeah but this is more for some stupid people and you obviously know how to avoid it, don't you?



Miners:
(max skilled mackinaw with orca bonus)
High-sec: 20M-23M (no tax avaliable with high standing)
Null: 20M-25M (after station tax)

(mackinaw without any bonus)
High-sec: 12M-14M (no tax avaliable with high standing)
Null: 12M-15M (after station tax)

Team work (simply multiplication):
High (2 mackinaws): 24M-28M
High (1 mackinaws+1 orca): 20-23M

from the data you will see, with less than 3 mining alts, mining sololy of each is more profitable than bring an orca alt, so bringing an orca for anyone with less than 3 accounts will be a sacrifice of self-interest.
And for anyone has more than 3 accounts, there is still no benetif/boost/isk-reason to mining with corp-mates. Maybe want to have some buddies to talk with could a "reason", but it is a terrible one as it is the same as the reason you pets(though I agree pets don't talk).


tl;dr
At the moment EVE discourages people, especially newbies to get a fleet in general PVE actives.
Mining income in null is unfairly lower than high-sec, adding up the risk cost.
People have no actual reason to form up a mining fleet.

fleet mining is a social activity not a job,you cant put a price on a time with friends

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tl;dr
At the moment EVE discourages people, especially newbies to get a fleet in general PVE actives.
Mining income in null is unfairly lower than high-sec, adding up the risk cost.
People have no actual reason to form up a mining fleet.

Yeah this, im not sure where you get 45m while missioning with a Raven.

Sounds like a blob. A mining blob.

fleet mining is a social activity not a job,you cant put a price on a time with friends

if how you spend time with friends is mining you don't have friends you have people playing a cruel joke on you

if how you spend time with friends is mining you don't have friends you have people playing a cruel joke on you

If they're also mining, is it like trying to rickroll yourself?

Or, you know, different people enjoy doing different things. A shocker. I know.

someone who enjoys mining cannot really be classified as a person, more a remarkably advanced bot

I like how in order to suit the argument the taxes on high sec and null are different.

if how you spend time with friends is mining you don't have friends you have people playing a cruel joke on you

Show me how you made these numbers for level 4 missions, they look greatly inflated for the average level 4 runner.

On the other hand your numbers for null anomalies is on the shy side, I guess this does not include the juicy faction loots that happen which may be rare but they certainly bump the income.

Faction loot is rare and unstable, you may just get two sets of tags and faction ammo for three days.

I'd like to add that the new NPC AI changes have really hurt my income from lvl 4 missions in my domi. (I operate in high-sec). It's clearly broken.

I'd like to add that the new NPC AI changes have really hurt my income from lvl 4 missions in my domi. (I operate in high-sec). It's clearly broken.